Saturday Simulcast: March 18, 2023--Purdue post-mortem and looking ahead.

[@BobY52944]

Systematic problems are coaching problems. If Painter wants the build a program that draws recruits, then he cannot embarrass Purdue on the national stage.

[@jasonabc]

In laws are all IU fans. I can take a normal loss just fine but this one was on a whole new level of embarrassment. It was pure humiliation to the core. Worst loss ever in NCAA history. What a freaking legacy to have. Will not catch me in Purdue gear anytime soon.

[@loydkline]

Matt painter know how to recuits & development. big men 7 foot players

[@ricklupo]

A team that lost four of it's last six games shouldn't have been anywhere near a one seed.

[@benz7051]

Can anybody name a timeout or adjustment that Painter made in a game during his tenure at Purdue that turned a crucial game around and win it???

[@salvadorperez2450]

There were none of positive consequence game time is not the time u have to get them ready 4uosetvin the making before, because the pressure will mount in game if u mention it just as a coach say positive things and pull out ur best adjustments, different zones, box and one for that FDU guy just slashing, taking over the game, Painter working on his post fiasco press conf. Looked very good explaining after,but failed the say this third year in a row, some schools don't need national titles,final4, just looking to nice grad rate, no punching rival asst.(Juwan) question if admin. Cares like fans do? northwestern same way, Iowa same guy 4 years not doing much u see the pattern,Izzio looks the only desperate one Much. Also not into grad rate at all

[@midwesttoker9169]

Mental toughness' period was lacking

[@benz7051]

Coach Painter needs to take responsibility fully for the loss. As all of us who have a job for living, we would have goals at work set by employers. If we missed the goal repeatedly, we would be fired. Three years in the row, got beaten by bottom seeds. The coach like any employee, need to be fired, as any employer would take action. If there is no action, AD is not doing his job.

[@dinsmore346]

No, your coaches inability to shift plans during the game let you down last night!!!

[@rankedpsiguy1]

NOTHING accomplished in the regular season for the past 43 years has mattered to Purdue when March arrives.

[@AndreInThe416]

Get a guard that can drive the lane, Edey was occupying 2 guys and can seal easily. It was available constantly.

[@AndreInThe416]

@Johnny Orangeseed XIII Purdue has to look out of state, otherwise they're limiting themselves in a big way.

[@bk1bennett]

They had the best guard in the conference v. St Peters and it didn’t help.

[@AndreInThe416]

@bk1bennett different game plus ivey consistently didn't see it either. You don't need high end athleticism just above average that plays smart

[@55van86]

One perfect play with Gillis driving and Edey finding him in stride. Had that all game but never went back to it.

[@DaeguDown]

Where is the criticism on Painter?

[@SkyBro21]

A three-year streak of losses to 13th seeds or worse. We just played the weakest team in the tournament that many high school teams could have beaten.

[@Mister_Meister_]

For some reason all the Purdue media guys never question Painter

[@Taparoo2]

Some people think Painter is a god. He lives next to my aunt, I’m gonna knock on his door n ask him to go coach somewhere else.

[@povertyspec9651]

I'm 56 years old and have been a Purdue fan since I was around 8 years old. Watched Walter Jordan, Jerry Sichting, Russell Cross, Joe Barry Carroll, and everyone else up to now. I graduated from Purdue in 1992 and lived right by Mackey. I would run into Gene Keady pulling into his parking spot in his Dodge sedan while I was walking to class. I will not watch another Purdue game until Painter is gone. Too slow of a style, no fast breaks, never changes strategy, never plays zone defense. I didn't even get excited for the FDU game since I knew they would stink it up!

[@ellenmize3022]

Poor you. I was at Purdue when Mackey was being built. I don't feel sorry for fairweather, armchair coaches and fans. I'll reserve my disappointment for, not in, the young men and coaches who worked so hard. They have to feel that loss plus hear all the c**p. Let's see who stays and plays and what happens next. If that's without a few complainers, so be it.

[@DaeguDown]

We need more Carsen Edwards and Jaden Iveys. Not more Loyers and Mortons.

[@dinsmore346]

after listening to your entire conversation every single fix to Purdue's problems can and should be fixed on the coaching level. These problems are corrected in other teams, even other Big 10 teams, but not corrected at Purdue. It's due time for a coaching change!!!!

[@gjnether]

Thanks Mike & Brian!!

[@vinniewolbert8076]

No reason or excuse for losing this game. Absolutely a disgrace for this program! How long will Purdue fans have to be subjected to this bullshit in the NCAA Tournament! When will Painter learn you have to make adjustments on the fly during a game. You can't always be a One-Trick Pony!

[@bk1bennett]

Shooting was a problem all season. I don’t think the lack of confidence started v. FDU but it certainly peaked in that game. Confidence is a problem at Purdue, and I don’t pretend to have the answer but I do believe the problem is obvious. The lack of confidence also showed up in Purdue returning to turnover-ville again v. FDU. Timidity was the cancer that destroyed the team’s tournament hopes. They need to be far more aggressive.

[@jenniferz5028]

Saw this coming in November. We looked good on paper but don't have the confidence to execute with authority when it counts

[@gentrybn]

You guys raise a lot of valid points..Purdue was timid, scared, not aggressive. But I think we lost the game letting FDU score so many layups. If we forced them to shoot outside Purdue wins easily despite our horrible offense.

[@povertyspec9651]

Play a zone defense once in a while!

[@mbaig50]

@@povertyspec9651 During my son's AAU days, we had a simple principle. If we were not as athletic as the other team, we played zone. Painter does just the opposite. He normally has a less athletic team and insist on playing man-to-man.

[@jenniferz5028]

@@mbaig50 I don't understand the stubbornness

[@AndreInThe416]

Painter plays same style regardless of the opponent which is a mistake and why they lose to these small teams. FDU wasn't even a good shooting team. Play zone. Still think their offense was the biggest problem.

[@pattypat-me1sq]

Painter would probably say we’re all being arm chair quarterbacks but there is a overwhelming consensus online that he needs to change up something. I know he’s the coach but not everyone chiming in is a idiot.

[@olivedjazzer]

I have often listened to Painter (especially on the CMP show) says things to the effect of "well have you ever coached a game in your life?" as if that's even a valid attack. I've watched thousands of games of basketball and I know when I see horrible fucking coaching decisions. I don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that when a rocket explodes on the launch pad, something was probably not right. When a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament loses to a #16.5 seed (basically D2 school) that responsibility is 100% on the coach especially when that #16 seed didn't actually play lights out (a la UMBC). Painter should resign. I can't believe these guys didn't even bring that up as an option when everyone is talking about it. My guess is that they're livelihood is tied to keeping the CMP narrative positive. I have to tell you though, I won't be supporting ostrich behavior for this channel anymore.

[@tkamel18]

Purdue’s offensive rebounding putbacks suffered b/c CMP played Mr. Basketball Caleb Furst 9 freaking minutes alongside Edey!!!!!!!!! Horrible coaching. Furst had 4 pts (2-2) 2 boards (1 offensive) 1 assist to 0 TOs in 9 min. Why the hell would you play him 9 minutes when the 3 isn’t dropping vs FDU??? Should’ve played Edey Furst and Gillis alongside 2 guards (maybe even in a 2-3 zone) for much of the 2nd half as an adjustment to the way the game was going. Dictate the pace. Don’t matchup to THEIR GAMEPLAN!!!

[@Taparoo2]

Painter doesn’t know what a zone is.

[@LP2Check]

Painter has no clue how to break a press & coach adjustments

[@joshclark2109]

They proved the doubters right. Also is painter to stubborn to change cuz if is then we need to move on

[@metrocleancommercialbuildi9909]

Thank you, podcast team regarding the season ending recap for the basketball team.

[@roofchees9]

3pt% last year vs this year: Furst 42.3->26.8% Gillis 41.4->35.6% Morton 44.1->27.7% Newman 2 years ago 37.9->31.0% Like Damn.

[@boiler4life3325]

No coincidence - that’s on coaching and not getting the guys right mentally

[@pattypat-me1sq]

And it’s also part of the “role playing” that he preaches. He turning guys into playing their parts. It’s hindering their development. That’s why you see the regression.

[@roofchees9]

@@pattypat-me1sq how in the world does being a role player lead towards a regression in shootings ability……..? There are many role players that’s only job is shooting threes. What’s more at play is regression to the mean with a larger sample size. I would also argue that rotating too many guys doesn’t allow players to get in a rhythm. I feel first would have shot better if he wasn’t in a 50/50 rotation with Gillis. Same with Newman/Morton.

[@briansdumbchannelderpy6986]

Morton can pack his bags with Newman IMO

[@pattypat-me1sq]

@@roofchees9 agreed. So why do you think the 3 point shooting has been bad this year? Mainly because of the rotation? Loyer obviously hit a wall and I would expect that to change with more experience and growth. Just seems like if Painter wasn’t so rigid that these guys could blossom a little more.

[@mike1003051]

Size doesn't matter. It's athletic ability. Purdue is not very athletic. They are slow, and it showed. With Painter, they will never figure things out.

[@Taparoo2]

Exactly, I’ve been saying this since we got exposed by Rutgers. FDU ran circles around us.

[@johnodom3282]

I think it would be best for either Morton or Newman to transfer. I've been somewhat disappointed in both of them, particularly Morton.

[@55van86]

They might transfer, but so might Kaufman-Renn and Furst. Why would Edey want to stick around for another year of this? This may be a program crushing loss.

[@tkamel18]

Disagree with Brian at the ~17 min mark. Attack the press with passing and guard dribbling…Furst again didn’t play enough last night and the matchup was prime for Furst to be in there

[@jerylcates]

Problems start at the top

[@mbaig50]

I have been a Purdue fan and a Painter apologist for a long time. But my patience with Painter is thinning out. He takes talented players and ruins them by making them the salves of his system. He learned that system from another mediocre coach - Gene Keady, who never won anything in March either. Last night's game was an absolute disgrace. The guys break the press, and when they get the ball in the front court and have a 3-on-2 advantage, they wait for the defense to set up instead of attacking the rim. A few quick baskets will discourage the other team from using the press on every made basket. What the hell the coach was doing? I watched the first half and refused to watch the second because I knew that we were beaten. The Notre Dame job is open. Matt, please do us a favor, take that job.

[@povertyspec9651]

Notre Dame wouldn't hire Painter in a million years.

[@Taparoo2]

I turned it off after 5 minutes. I saw where it was going.

[@matthewpoehler6955]

Too bad Stefanovic didn't opt in for one more year as they needed a pure shooter. It was a killer they lost out on Nijel Pack to UM. He was exactly the type of player they needed, an athlete who could create their own shot when things broke down. Painter and his staff did an amazing job in overachieving with this team given the lack of talent. But watching him freeze up in that game and not make any adjustments, jack up threes when it's not their night instead of driving to the basket and try to at least draw a foul was inexcusable. I wonder if their current assistants aren't capable for pushing for adjustments when Painter is stuck like that. Absolutely brutal end but writing on the wall was they weren't going to go far anyway.

[@dinsmore346]

As usual, Matt Painter has considered himself the smartest guy in the room for the last 20yrs. Way too cocky for a guy that gets his cocky ass handed to him every March. Of course as true to forum, Painter just blames his players! It's not even conceivable in his mind to take any of the blame! They didn't hit open shots, they had too many turnovers, etc....Its always somebody else's fault, never Painters! When you have to over use filler words like "basketball and obviously" as much as he does in EVERY interview, your not as good a coach that you think you are! I'm done with Purdue till he's gone!

[@tomjones6777]

Great analysis and discussion, as these broadcasts always are Thanks, Boiler-up, keep the faith. I know what ifs are a silly game to play BUT what if Zach had an outside shot (inside the foul stripe but outside the shadow of the rim, or the lateral stripes of the free throw lane. This is no way intended to lay this defeat at Zach’s feet but simply an observation. Given Zach’s relative short 🏀 career, it would seem beneficial for Zach to increase his stock for pro-ball with h another year at PU to increase his skill level. 👍🏀🏈👍

[@dinsmore346]

Yes, another year would benefit Zach greatly. just not at Purdue as long as Matt Painter is still there!!!!!!!! He is a miserable failure when it comes to tournament play! I as well will never watch, much less pay to attend, a Purdue game if Painter is still there! I'm done trying to defend him and his inability to adjust during a game. Facts don't lie! It's time to wake up Purdue fans. Matt Painter is a GREAT recruiter and a good, at best, coach. At what point will Purdue, as a university, grow tired enough of this guy embarrassing them every year in March to make a change?

[@tomjones6777]

@@dinsmore346 All good points. Certainly frustrating and nothing is as heartbreaking as unrealized ( high) expectations… salt in the wound. 👍🖖

[@jenniferz5028]

apparently he does have a shot but isn't allowed to use it...go figure

[@tomjones6777]

@@jenniferz5028 maybe his shot needs more work ? If he had a shot, it could be a game changer- Zach would be less predictable, more difficult to guard and open up the lane for lay ups ( + chances for an “old fashion” 3). I am sure there are reasons and easy for me to say because my job is not on the line, but......? 🖖👍

[@SteinMeister72]

The more I hear discussions of next year, the more important it is for Edey to go pro.

[@scottspooner6070]

Where is Purdue's fast breakout? They looked slow.

[@JamesJ-bp4ev]

Let go of the “Big Man U” Mantra. This is 2023. Not 1983

[@gentrybn]

the big guy was not our problem. lack of athletic guys who can drive to the basket has been our weakness. we can't score in transition which means the press works against us

[@justinboatwright4318]

That is exactly what I thought of with Purdue this year. They're a "throw back" team whose certain philosophies are outdated and predictable.

[@povertyspec9651]

You can win with a big man. But Purdue has no playmakers who can make their own shot off the dribble. Chucking up 26 threes is ridiculous.

[@BoilerBall3094]

dedicated ~ stubborn?

[@55van86]

Freshman guards, I get it. But why on earth do you not give David Jenkins a chance to change the game? He's a 2000 point scorer and a veteran who FDU backed off of every time. Most embarrassing that Purdue was so completely outworked and outcoached. FDU coach had some passion and ballls and his team backed it up. Kudos to them. Shame on us.

[@larrysexton2955]

Painter is a one trick pony. Always 3 guard lineup regardless of his roster, never plays a zone, never attacks a press to score. Just terrible game coaching year after year. An Alpha performance from Edwards is the only success Painter has ever had in the NCAA tournament. If you think Painter will change, you are delusional.

[@Taparoo2]

Only reason we made it that far that year was bcuz Carsen Edwards hit an ungodly, Steph curry amount of 3s. Without that we would’ve been bounced early again.

[@mbaig50]

Can we hire a coach who works with the kids on their shooting? We have kids who were great in high school and shot great. They come to Purdue and become poor shooters. Is it the coaching?

[@Taparoo2]

Look at Jenkins. He was supposed to be this great scorer n he put up a whopping 0 points against FDU. Something’s wrong here.

[@scottspooner6070]

They need to adjust to the team they are playing.

[@scottspooner6070]

If you're not hitting 3 pointers then go inside.

[@roofchees9]

Loyer will be fine. A year in the weight room and he will be better than Cline. After his post game comments the moment didn't seem too big. Smith tried to take a hold of the game and make some plays down the stretch but just made bad choices. Gillis getting shell shocked was surprising. Edey got double/triple teamed and passed the ball out which is the right move against better competition, but she should have turned and gone for the rim with tiny dude hanging off of him against FDU.

[@trackdogcrowesnest769]

Total embarrassment to lose ONCE again to a inferior team! Last three years 13 seed ,15 seed,16 seed frigging PATHETIC and painter has never corrected it period and will never get it fixed !!

[@Taparoo2]

Don’t forget about VCU and Little Rock 😂

[@dinsmore346]

Brian, what do u mean, some people dont wanna hear that Purdue over achieved this year? They were the most overrated team in college basketball most of the year. All that was required was a decent basketball coach to exploit that fact! I know you are an establishment guy that has to be around coaches and would never say this out loud, but there's a high school JV team that's calling Painters name. Maybe he would have some post season success there. It's not going to happen at Purdue!

[@typeviic1]

If Painter wants the build a program that draws recruits (or any future Purdue coach going forward), you simply CANT run a decades old, out dated "feed the post" system anymore. The next level (NBA) does not have that style of offense anymore. Athletic guards dont want to showcase their talent with that type of offensive system.

[@BrianHurn]

It's interesting that Mike contends that Purdue is the more talented team. They certainly have better high school and practice talent, but the problem is that so much of that fails to translate into game talent on anything resembling a consistent basis.

[@SteveMichael]

If you are a Purdue fan, do you find this acceptable? You can't blame the refs for this loss. You were favored by 23!!!!! Purdue more than likely has not beaten a team that was favored in the NCAA in like 40+ years. The last time I remember was before Keady and for some reason they got rid of that coach. So again Purdue fans, it must be acceptable to have a "good" season, run a clean program and have good human beings as players and a coach BUT to never do well in the NCAA. This year just showed it more than most, but it has been that way forever.

[@enoshkazem2325]

I think the transfer out of Eric Hunter Jr really hurt this March - just an extra guard to bring the ball up the court. He could have split time at the PG position; maybe not the shooter from 3, but I think a well rounded defender and good slasher.

[@davidfulks2846]

I’m sorry to the other “fans” but Painter didn’t play our guards hit their freshman wall and too many turnovers and not hitting open shots. Not really bad coaching but you are right we need a guard that can drive n dump or shoot like Ivey but more under control

[@Taparoo2]

Bottom line is we need more athleticism on this team. That can make up for lack of talent most times. The guard play was too hard to watch sometimes. And if Painter wants to keep revolving his game around centers then he needs to find a way to deal with this “small ball” crap that’s taken over. These kids are supposed to get better with each year yet almost everyone’s 3 point percentage went down and that’s Painters fault. These kids r working their asses off.

[@harrywang6222]

Be positive! Number 1 seed Virginia lost to number 16 seed UMBC in 2018 tournaments and came back to win the whole tournament in 2019. Purdue needs to use this defeat to play next season with “chips on their shoulders “

[@t-bone6467]

After an embarrassing loss last year to another small, nothing nj school they were supposed to have "chip on shoulder" this season.

[@dinsmore346]

Purdue needs to play next year with a new head coach!!!!!!!!!!! Has Painter not proven to EVERYONE at this point what kind of coach he is in March? Exactly how many years do you keep making excuses? Players come and go every year, What is the constant (common denominator) with Purdue Basketball in March

[@markmattison2419]

@@dinsmore346 who do you want to be head coach next year?

[@harrywang6222]

@@t-bone6467 Purdue got 1 seed because they won the Big Ten championship, not because they are a great team. My other team (Houston) also got one seed and they looked much much better!

[@stevefischer9336]

This is worse than Virginia. Even if they won next year (they wont)- this will be remembered longer.

[@saintdominicsrosary]

As a Illinois fan all I can say is the only reason Purdue was good this season is because you guys had 7’4” Zach Edey . Without Edey Purdue doesn’t win a Big Ten championship and doesnt make it to the Ncaa tournament. Zach Edey and a bunch of scrubs 😂😂

[@dennispersinger4120]

As a IU fan who has Trayce Jackson Davis...no shit Sherlock. Take the best player of any team and you are considerably worse

[@Taparoo2]

Why are u here? Go away.

[@saintdominicsrosary]

@@Taparoo2 I’m here for the same reason you Purdon’t asshats come into the Illinois podcast.

[@saintdominicsrosary]

@@dennispersinger4120 What you’re saying is not true. On a championship team you can shut down the best player on the team and the rest of the team will step up and beat you. It happens all the time in the NBA and college . I guess you don’t know crap about your own team . IU and Purdue totally different situation. Even though I hate IU with a passion I can admit that they are a better team than Purdue. They have more than TJD . TJD is a great player but IU has other great players with experience. Purdue only has Edey that’s it. Totally different situation. You shut Edey down and game over for Purdue. If you shut TJD down other players on IU can beat you