SAUCONY GUIDE 17 FIRST IMPRESSIONS - THE BEST GUIDE YET?

[@Ginguredrunner]

You need to try the GT2000 12. It's been amazing so far!!

[@oldmanvanrunning]

I think I may just do that! I'm hearing a lot of good things about it.

[@PrinceDavid]

Just got this shoe and like it so far! I really needed a stability shoe and this is doing the trick.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

@@PrinceDavid Glad to hear it!

[@Jantonyofficial]

I got about 50 miles in with these and they are my favorite stability daily trainers right now!

[@oldmanvanrunning]

That's awesome! Great shoe!

[@rayleneknight8718]

Thanks for the review. I love running in the winter months when the temps are 0-20°F in the snow. I'm sure it would be different if I lived somewhere actually brutal temps.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

You're very welcome, Raylene! I don't mind the cold as well 👍

[@JosephThompson-t8i]

Great review. I was considering the Guide 17, but went with the Omni 22. I am 70 and run in stability shoes only (was running in the GT 4000 V3 which is firm and the shoes started to make my legs hurt). My first run was five miles this morning (60 degree weather in SC) and I really like the Omni. The shoes have a cushioned ride (not mushy at all) with a medial post similar to the Guide 16. It has a wide last, which I like and a bit of a rocker. I was moving along pretty smoothly and my legs felt fine after the run. I ran in previous versions of the Omni and like the support, but this version is the most cushioned yet. I hope these will work for my longer runs.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for the comments!...I suspect the Omni will do the job for your longer runs. Let me know how it goes when you do put some longer miles on them.

[@anutuyi]

I could nt love this video more. Thank you sir

[@oldmanvanrunning]

@anutuyi You are very welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@donnybeal2135]

Have been wanting to try these and now with your positive review I will definitely get them. Thank you for the reviews

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Hey, Donny! Thanks for checking in!....Let me know what you think if you pick these up.

[@JDeezle21]

I really enjoyed these. 150miles on mine

[@oldmanvanrunning]

@@JDeezle21 That's awesome! Just wore mine again today 👍

[@williamcass68]

Its shape and makeup look similar to the Shift3. Thanks for sharing!

[@oldmanvanrunning]

You're very welcome! Thanks for the comment!

[@markspinozzi2882]

Thanks for the review!! I'm curious about these and also want to try the new Omni 22. I've heard some good things about the 22 also. Curious how they both match up to the Tempus.

[@bobcorbin490]

M really curious about the Omni 23 too. Why is it heavier than the Guide 16? I mean it has the same stability tech the 16 had. Confused

[@erinmalette7276]

Doctors of running dubbed the 22 as the replacement for the guide 16 if you want more stability. Also can’t wait to hear more about them.😊

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Hey, Mark! The Tempus is the better shoe. Still the most versatile stability shoe on the market, in my opinion. I haven't tried the Omni 22, so I can't compare....As my review states, for the price, the Guide 17 is an outstanding daily stability shoe w/ good versatility and surprising performance.

[@stubestrong]

had guide17, sent them back. its a whole new shoe, felt quite dead in midsole and relays on rocker to cover that weakness. bit bulky, ended up with NB860 as the stability slow/recovery shoe and the brooks glycerin stealthfit21(none gts) as the daily which is phenomenal in many ways.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for the comment! 👍 As you see in my review, I have a different take on the 17. I agree the midsole is not bouncy or responsive on its own, but the geometry of the shoe works well to create responsiveness. As for the Glycerin 21 (GTS version), I don't find it anymore responsive, and the added weight and drop puts it behind this shoe....Each person is different, and a shoe won't work for everyone. I definitely appreciate your feedback.

[@stubestrong]

@@oldmanvanrunning GTS holds performance back, it’s incorrect method for midsole performance. Worth noting as no one talks about it is runners weight, this is a key reason some people disagree. Great content keep it rolling

[@caclavijo]

Very Kayano 30! Thank you for your great video & review?!

[@oldmanvanrunning]

You're very welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@tedd9621]

After watching this video, I went to buy the wide version. I like it. The modern running shoes are much better than my old flat shoes in terms of stability and speed despite many say it is a stability focus shoes.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Glad they're working out for you! 👍🏻

[@Bread_n_Butter.]

Just got mines today. But I purchased them more for walking at work (as a nurse) rather than running. I needed something with cushion, but also with stability due to a quad tendon rupture and surgery I'm still rehabbing/recovering from. But I'm also looking forward to see how they do once I'm cleared to start jogging in a couple of months.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Hope your recovery is going well! Let me know what you think of them. 👍

[@bobl6649]

The rocker feel was such a strange feeling for me, I couldn’t justify the purchase. Too worried I wouldn’t grow to love it.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

The rocker is definitely not for everyone.

[@matthiassventoest6800]

I am currently between this shoe, and the vongo v6.., right now for my next purchse.. thanks for review these various shoes

[@oldmanvanrunning]

You're very welcome! 👍🏻 Either shoe is an excellent option.

[@marcelorodriguezsandri8414]

Muchas gracias por la revisión. me encantó además el paisaje. Debido a calambres en la pantorrilla estoy siguiendo las recomendaciones de utilizar calzado con dropp de 8 o mas (uso plantares u ortesis .. ). Para un maratón, a ritmo suave (6m/km) que calzado me recomendarías utilizar? Brooks Glycerine 20? new balance propel V4? u otro ... gracias ... Felicitaciones!!!!

[@oldmanvanrunning]

You are very welcome! I think the Glycerin 20 would work well for an easy-paced marathon and has a 10mm drop. I haven't tried the New Balance shoe you list, so can't comment there.

[@bobcorbin490]

Love my Tempus for long runs and tempo run. Picked up the Guide 17 to use as recovery shoe and most likely will relegate and go back to using Kayano 30. Still need a new daily trainer once I get 400 on the Guide 16's. Pretty sure I will go with the new 2000 GT's I got in the trail version. It's what I think the Guide 17 should've been.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Hey, Bob! I do like the Gel-Kayano 30, but as you know, I struggle with the uppers and sockliners in ASICS shoes. The Tempus is my favorite stability shoe, but the Guide 17 for me is a great daily trainer, especially for the relatively low price. I am considering trying out the 2000 GT as well to compare.

[@andyn6053]

​@@oldmanvanrunning I have the same problem as u with the Asics Kayano 30. Can u recommend another cushioned shoe with similar stability as the Kayano that could work? My feet are wide in the forefoot, so I need a roomy toebox but still a snug heel.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

@@andyn6053 Sorry for the late reply....You might try the Brooks Glycerin GTS 21 although you may want to go with a wide version. I don't have any issues in them in my normal size/width. The Saucony Guide 17 is also good but a bit firmer.

[@yi8031]

Thanks for your review. In your opinion, what’s the best stability running shoes not only for daily trains but to run a marathon in those shoes?

[@oldmanvanrunning]

The Saucony Tempus and ASICS Superblast (Stable-Neutral) are tw great options. Another dark-horse for me would be the New Balance Vongo V6.

[@yi8031]

Actually I have a problem to buy Tempus in Europe right now. I running in Guide 16 (you said that it great option and i bought it for great discount), and thinking what to buy for my marathon prep. It's so many shoes and i can't decide... Today try new Nike Tempu, sbut i think there not enough stability like id Guide. So if you said that even in 2024 Tempus is the best stability shoes to run marathon and also prep I need to find it. Thank you Van for your work. Greetings from Ukraine. @@oldmanvanrunning

[@Adamas11]

I enjoy watching your videos, old man Van! Guide 17 or Tempus 1 (or 2 which is supposed to be released this summer)?

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for the comment! If I had to chose between the Guide 17 or Tempus (1), it would be the Tempus as it's a more versatile shoe. It's not max-cushioned, but it's more than adequate. Also it's light enough and responsive enough to race in.

[@Adamas11]

I ran in the Brooks Adrenaline GTS for years because I needed at least moderate stability (borderline narrow, and flat feet). They did the job, but wanted something lighter and springy, so grabbed the Tempus about 1 1/2 years ago. I am on my fourth pair and haven’t looked back, until the the Guide 17 came out. I am not sure it is even worth trying them at this point. FYI, I run a 5k 4-5x/week. Not a massive mile runner. I just do it to keep in shape.

[@teeramate]

Should I give it a try ? I'm on Tempus now & Is that better to get 17 over cheaper 16 ? thanks

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Good question....I like them more than the 16 as they're more versatile and more cushioned....The 16 is a great shoe, and if it's at a huge discount vs the 17, it would be a tough decision. At $140.00, the 17 is a great deal, however 👌.....Can't wait for the Tempus update!

[@evanwilliams4920]

Great review. Just Subscribed! I am going to blind buy these now yo try but question first pls. How does sizing compare to Brooks? I am a 10.5 in Adrenaline gts and Glycerine gts. What size Guide 17 should I order? Ive been in Brooks for 20 yrs.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Hey, Evan....Sizing is pretty similar to Brooks, and I wear my normal size in both. If anything, there's slightly more room in the toe box in the Guide 17.

[@evy684]

Terrific review ! I have a question. I had to have plantar fasciitis surgery and now have torn my meniscus. Do you think these shoes would work for walking only ? I have the ASICS gel Kayano 30. Great running shoe. But, for me , using them for walking makes them unstable. Way too soft. Thank You.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for the comments and question! 👍 I do think these would be better for walking than the Gel-Kayano 30 due to a firmer midsole. The previous model (Guide 16) could also be an excellent option.

[@evy684]

@@oldmanvanrunning Thank You !

[@mddruns]

why do you think shoes are getting rid of the medial post ?

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Mainly because there's more data to shows that too much "correction" can be detrimental and actually cause injury in some cases. Pronation is necessary and normal. More subtle guidance vs correction allows for natural pronation while reducing over-pronation.

[@mddruns]

@@oldmanvanrunning Thanks! i have been dealing with pantar fasciitis for a few months mow. trying to find a show that will help me still run while I am getting over it. I was running i the brooks adrenaline when I first got it, then switched to the saucony guide 16s, was ok for a while but it came back. SO annoying. I am doing shockwave treatment, exercises and all that but I am thinking about a shoe change.

[@jviers77]

Would you take this one over the Tempus for overall versatility? I’m looking for something that’s relatively stable that I can use for training and some races. I can’t justify buying multiple shoes at this point.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for your question 👍 The Tempus is the more versatile option. Another (but much pricier) option would be the ASICS Superblast 2.

[@jientlefist2291]

I just bought this last week and felt like I am falling off balance rather than get more balance. I don’t feel stable at all or I may just not be a fan of rockers

[@oldmanvanrunning]

It could be the rocker, as you say. The stability features are for lateral stability. The rocker is to assist with a smoother roll through. It does take some adjustment if you are not used to it.

[@erinmalette7276]

Is it soft as in squish? And do you feel any arch support with the side walls? The Tempus had too much for me. That makes them unstable for me. Love the rocker idea, hate the drop for my ankles.

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Definitely not squishy. The additional softness comes from the additional stack, but it's still powerrun, which is a firmer midsole material....There is good arch support with the sockliner and side walls, but noticeably less than the Tempus.

[@erinmalette7276]

@@oldmanvanrunningthanks!

[@dustinjohnson267]

How would you compare durability to say the hoka Clifton 9. I really want to get these they felt great and definitely going to get 2 pairs for rotation. I currently run in the Clifton 9s but they tend to put some stress on my mainly right Achilles/Arch area as well. I tried these on in store and this was the first shoe that both actually felt great as I usually have the right shoe fitting a bit tighter but wasn’t the case with these

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for the question, Dustin! 👍 From my experience with Hoka and Saucony, I would expect the Guide 17 to be much more durable, both in the outsole/midsole and upper.

[@grey_fox7]

Guide 16 sole was firm and dead feeling and not comfortable for runs over 8 miles. Ive heard that even though the midsole is Powerrun again, its formulated different to feel softer. Curious if you could feel that?

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Thanks for the question! 👍 I don't know if Saucony has tweaked the Powerrun formulation, but the additional stack height in the forefoot, absence of a medial post (or arch), and Powerrun+ in the sockliner has noticeably softened the ride. So far I've done three runs of 8, 15, and 12 miles with no issues. Very comfortable.

[@jollyroger1009]

Which would you choose between this and the Kayano 30? Also, how does the Guide 17 compare to the Tempus? Thank you!

[@oldmanvanrunning]

Great question....For me, I would choose the Guide 17 primarily because Saucony shoes fit me better and don't cause hot spots or blisters for me. If those things were equal, it would be a much closer decision because the Gel-Kayano 30 does have a more cushioned midsole. As for comparison to the Tempus, the Tempus is the better and more versatile stability shoe. That being said, I think the Guide 17 is the better long run shoe.

[@jollyroger1009]

@@oldmanvanrunning Thanks!

[@BlackPawGaming]

I hate this. I love Guide 15-16. Now saucony is like Hoka design. what is the series of Saucony now that still having the post? and lower. any reviewer that is actually having the flat feet?

[@oldmanvanrunning]

I get your point on these, but they still have some of the firmness of the 15 and 16. I DO have flat feet and have no issues with the 17. It has plenty of arch support.