Saucony Guide 17 after 100 miles

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Specs for the Guide 17 Price: $139.95 at Running Warehouse Weight: 9.4 oz, 269 g (men's size 9), 8.1 oz, 232 g (women's size 8) Stack Height: 35 mm / 29 mm Drop: 6mm

[@save821]

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[@stubestrong]

Any thoughts with ASICS GT2000/12 vs Guide17 ? I use the GT2000 but find heel strike to far back makes pure gel redundant. Great on mid and fore foot. Switch into guide15 for more support when fatigued as it’s supportive and smooth.

[@crawdaddy019]

Thanks Matt!

[@wreaverfizzlefen3234]

Matt, would you consider this the natural successor to the stable neutral Endorphin Shift, or would you recommend another model for Shift runners now that it's being discontinued?

[@davidclark7050]

Matt, will appreciate a Guide 17 vs GT 2000 v12 (your favorite) comparison review. Thanks

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Out later this week

[@jvl4832]

I’ve been using the Guide for several weeks now and do really love them. They do their job when it comes stability(really! ) and feel very light and extremely comfortable without sacrificing stability. Nice laces that are somewhat elastic and stretch lightly for a snug fit. I do recommend trying this shoe.

[@jenniferring6410]

I finally had to tap out on this shoe. I've worn many Guide versions over the years but this one just isn't working. I'm blaming it for my post-tib flaring up again. As comfortable as it feels for long runs, the drop is too low for me and as a heel striker, the rocker just seems to make my foot work harder to move forward. I get that we're 'rolling' forward but when you start on your heel it feels like I have to run up and over the shoe on every step. I was in Hoka shoes for a couple of years but due to their lack of durability switched back to shoes that lasted longer (Saucony) and hadn't had an issue since. I get what they're saying with the stability engineering, but in reality it feels like it's a stability shoe for someone who really doesn't need stability.

[@Echom4-kr5el]

Lower drop shoes always irritates my post tib. I’d love to try the Hoka arahi though, but… I’m sorry to see a lot of companies going lower drop and less stability. Had some luck with the kayano 30 but they’re a bit bulky. I’ll try the 31s.

[@BlackPawGaming]

@@Echom4-kr5el thery are all bulky now, see the guide 17 is now bulky same as Kayano. 16 is better.

[@ireadandplay636]

I Just got these love them!!!

[@jenniferring6410]

This sounds perfect for my long, easy runs again. Love the Endorphin series but couldn't deal with the Shift and I do need guidance. I've been using the Tempus for longer races and long runs but I needed more of a plus, easy run shoe. I got the Asics Gel Kayano 30 for that purpose but I've never been in love with it. Looks like this is my answer.

[@BlackPawGaming]

this thing is same concept of control as Kayano, if you hate Kayano. you will hate this one.

[@jakej722]

One thing that drove me slightly mad in the last two Guide models had nothing to do with performance: The powerrun-PB removable insole squeaked with every single step. Does the 17 suffer from the same problem?

[@jenniferring6410]

Same experience! Over time it also sounded like there was a suction cup on the bottom of my left one.

[@MadLadsAnonymous]

Hope you compare this to the Tempus 2 when it comes out!

[@Adamas11]

Yes, please! I’ve been running in the Tempus for about 1.5 years. I really like it but looking for something with a little more support and thinking the Guide 17 could be a good choice.

[@markspinozzi2882]

Stability is going in a new direction with a wider platform, more stack height. I haven't tried the Kayano 30 or Guide 17 yet but curious what they're about. I did see one review about the Kayano 30 , after 100 miles the heel started to wear because of the extra foam.

[@BlackPawGaming]

I hate the way it going. now every shoes going higher becoming all Hoka .:D

[@grey_fox7]

Guide 16 was way to firm to enjoy any runs longer than 8 miles for me. Sad to see they kept the same midsole. Not sure if a new sockliner is enough to change things enough to make this shoe more comfortable for longer runs?

[@jakej722]

My impression is the 17 feels more plush than the 16. The 16 also had some sort of PB-Sockliner.

[@jes28899]

How would this compare to the Gel Kayano 30?

[@amymcdonald2050]

Thanks! On a scale of 1-10, if I loved the 16 (on my third pair!) and adore the Tempus…how much will I like the 17? Can’t wait to try on foot here in Australia soon

[@themanorruns]

Great video! Do you feel like with the more pwrrun plus that the ride 17 lost its stability?

[@mikepenn5036]

I train exclusively in Guide 15s and Glycerin GTS. I'm currently training for my first marathon and wish I had shoes that were nearly as comfortable as the Glycerins, but over the same amount of mileage as the Guides, though without the intrusive shove away from medial (flat feet and pronate, but only mildly). I hear your suggestion of this new Guide 17 for long runs-- Would you consider it for an easy-pace marathon or would it become uncomfortable after 20 miles?

[@shrewseddy]

How does it compare with the Tempus?

[@snowwalker9999]

Wasn’t Tempus made for faster runs?

[@shrewseddy]

​@@snowwalker9999I guess, but it will do slow runs too so I'm not sure why the guide still exists.

[@javierparedes1898]

How does this show compare to the brooks glycerin gts

[@Adamas11]

Guide 17 or Tempus 1 (or 2)?

[@Carlosediaz543]

There’s no way this is still a stability model?! Right? Like is it in a max cushion category. To me it’s wild they made a true max cushion , rockered, stiff.. etc. seems to me like a bondi really

[@BlackPawGaming]

they change guide series to be max cushion line.

[@Carlosediaz543]

@@BlackPawGaming ik, so did the kayano and pretty much everything else. It might just be but I’m kinda tired of the whole 40mm max cushion,rocker with toe spring and heavy shoes

[@jakej722]

What's interesting is that the Guide 17 is noticeably a fairly flexible shoe for something labeled "stability". Comparable models from Asics, Hoka, etc are quite a bit stiffer in construction. You can see this for yourself with a *gentle* in hand bend-test and twist test. It seems that Saucony is approaching stability in their new way this time around, really prioritizing the wide platform to shape the running mechanics.

[@yocjyo]

Can this be used as a daily or just race shoe?

[@gilbert2303]

Can I wear an orthotic with this shoe ?

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Typically we suggest neutral shoes for orthotics like the saucony ride. The guide would maybe overcorrect a runner with a specific ortho.

[@gilbert2303]

@@DoctorsofRunningcan you recommend any orthotic friendly shoes? I tried the ghost max 2 but the fit was off

[@pervyducky]

Guide 17, hoka arahi 7 or brooks adrenaline 23?

[@erinmalette7276]

How does it compare to the gt2000 v12? The rocker looks better on this one.

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Will be out later this week!

[@erinmalette7276]

@@DoctorsofRunningperfect!!

[@kuriosites]

So, Saucony will have the Guide, the Hurricane, and the Tempus.

[@DoctorsofRunning]

We’re not sure, but our understanding is that the Hurricane is not a stability shoe any more.

[@kuriosites]

@@DoctorsofRunning Based on what I saw from TRE videos, it's at lease a very stable neutral, like the Shift 3.

[@fakhrifiqki1044]

Buat Kaki Flat Feet jujur ini enak banget buat Daily run, kaget karena memang seenak itu 💯😭😂👌🏻

[@grcigar9911]

Moving the Guide away from traditional stability is asinine. It’s like Saucony discontinued the Guide and slapped the name on a new neutral rocker shoe with barely there foam sidewalls. Also, the rubber on the sole appears almost nonexistent which is also asinine. This shoe should have been a new model and is a slap in the face to loyal Guide customers. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@DoctorsofRunning]

The new Omni 22 essentially role swaps with the Guide, so for the moment Guide fans will still have an option just with a new name.

[@erinmalette7276]

@@DoctorsofRunningI’d love to see an Omni 22 review then

[@BlackPawGaming]

Guide series is now max cusion shoes... shame.

[@stubestrong]

returned my guide17, its a odd shoe. over engineered bulky upper, grip poor. GT2000/12 better shoe in all areas