Saurian Cinema: Colonialism & The Lost World

No where is it writ that every single adaptation of The Lost World HAS to bend over backwards to reinforce a whole heap of racist colonial stereotypes. It's just that most of them tend to do exactly that.
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This is what happens when you drink to so much soy!

[@chitbong5725]

@@andrewphillips8341 The hell is your problem?

[@deerhart5009]

"You're pointing a six shooter at 8 people" Pathologic has entered the chat

[@hiddenshadow2105]

There were seven people in that warehouse but yes, Pathologic approves this reference.

[@Tedris4]

Gotta say though, that’s kind of how society is ruled. Remember the Area 51 raid that was “they can’t stop all of us” but nobody even started a raid?

[@jjj7790]

@@Tedris4 There was a "raid", it just turned into a party and a very unprepared alien-themed festival instead of a bunch of college kids getting gunned down for Naruto-running at a military facility. Most people can actually separate reality from fiction and could figure out that you shouldn't actually do things you see in viral memes. People still showed up to try to have a good time.

[@Loromir17]

"We outnumber your bullets 8 to 6!" "I like those odds"

[@saturationstation1446]

@@Tedris4 that was well off eurocentrics role playing as real human beings

[@Amazatastic]

there was something so endearing about that old guy picking up an actual little lizard and going TYRANNOSAURUS REX!

[@jjj7790]

That's real acting there.

[@Spikeland]

Kinda like South Park episode where they dress up guinea pigs as Dinosaurs

[@nandyk.2026]

"and after dinosaur films let's do the economy." a-fuckin-men.

[@grapeshot]

So many movies where white guys play native. I've noticed in a lot of these movies, native women fall in love with the first white guy they see.🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️ interracial relationships are okay as long as they're the only ones doing it.

[@coldcrashpictures]

It’s a disturbing trend. In the 1960 adaptation, it appears the filmmakers might’ve tried to cast indigenous-heritage actors to play the natives... EXCEPT for the one native woman who falls in love with the white guy. That actress is Italian 🤦‍♂️

[@pufthemajicdragon]

"Interracial relationships are OK as long as it is the white male colonizer who has the power in it." Perpetuating the "it's OK to rape the natives" trope (that evolved into the "it's OK to rape the slaves" trope) and which really boils down to an "it's OK to rape" culture that is still pervasive in our society today.

[@OkamiRose]

This is probably because of the Hayes code- no interracial relationships on screen, so they picked 'exotic' looking people and either killed them off if they were evil or were allowed to bone because they were 'good' and the actors were of European descent bc White supremacy in filmmaking dug it's greedy fingers into 'traditional values' that was justification of the Hayes codes while still exploiting colonialist themes! God, thinking of all this makes me want to vomit. Smh This is why I'm starting to read afrofuturism novels and racilized media textbooks- supporting peoples and ideas that have been pushed off the spotlight for centuries has never felt so good to read about and learn from.

[@JaiProdz]

@@OkamiRose which AfroFuturism texts? :)

[@donovan5656]

@@JaiProdz The Summer Prince, War Girls, Bindi, Milton T Davis’ CyberFunk anthology.

[@rabnerd28]

First thing I would do with a Lost World remake is make it gayer.

[@evaserration6223]

A dinosaur drag queen dressed as Debbie Harry lipsyncing to 'Raptor'

[@Edaphosaurus]

I think there is a strong potential for a queer reading of the Lost World, especially when you consider that Roxton was based on Roger Casement , a friend of Doyle's who was gay. It's one of the few stories where the male protagonist doesn't "get the girl" but instead takes comfort in his friendship with other men, particularly Roxton. Which is why almost every adaptation includes additional love interests for Malone and Roxton. Gotta ensure everyone knows they're totally straight!

[@sonorasgirl]

Ooooh, would love this.

[@amyreynolds7244]

I would love a film set in "the olden days" with a closeted gay explorer who's ambivalent about the mission and discovers that the native tribe has a much chiller take on all kinds of sexualities than his repressed Victorian/Edwardian home and he switches sides but not in a white savior way, in a sort of "I'm so sorry to have been part of this tell me how I can help?" way.

[@dosran5786]

the fact your so popular for this is the problem with society. why not make your own movie about gay people? no too much work rather just steal " racist" white peoples ideas for books? funny how you guys always claim you can do whatever any one else can do no different but yet somehow creativity must be stolen? dont get your logic because it doesnt exist your life is based on emotion.

[@a.morphous66]

I’m just gonna say that I had no idea that the “Inca” (which I have just learned is actually the name of the empire’s ruling class and not the people as a whole) actually called their nation Tawantinsuyu. Nobody taught me this.

[@fridasaavedra8460]

Hi! So as a peruvian I want it to say that I enjoyed your comment because people usually don't know a lot about peruvian culture. You can say incas when you talk about the people since not many know how was their other name (they are called quechuas btw) and it's more easy that way

[@CoasterRemote]

I heard Germany is called Deutschland in German too.

[@alanhegewisch4486]

I don't know how common this is in colonized societies, but Spaniards had this whole caste system to rank people on whether they were of Spanish descent, if were born on the "New Spain", had indigenous blood or African blood. It's funny because you would think that's gone now that most of the population is "mixed race", but you would be surprised by how it still has a papable influence today. Also, as a Mexican, it's been surprising to find my culture has more in common with that of a Samoan friend's than with a Canadian friend's. Colonialism really leaves a deep scar.

[@FreyaEinde]

It’s more sophisticated than the one-drop rule in the USA but the dynamic remains in the larger culture.

[@deathdoor]

Yes, just search "spanish casta" and wee the images that return. The french also had this "system" for their colonies (specially Haiti?).

[@frankwolftown]

And you can donate to Indigenous Mutual Aid group here. www.indigenousmutualaid.org/

[@chantaltestman6916]

I am Puerto rican wity spanish, indigenous and african blood. My family is from the capital San Juan and came state side after 1956. But I don't speak any Spanish and everyone tells me "you're not really Puerto Rican cause you don't speak spanish." Really? I an so fucking Rican my genetics tell the story of the natives of PR, the conquest of Spain (I know where in Spain my family comes from) and the african slave trade. But shit I dont speak Spanish there for my genetics are void. Smh

[@Erebhe01]

@@chantaltestman6916 As another Puerto Rican with some Taíno roots (also Cuban, Honduran, and who the hell knows what else), I really resonate a lot with this. I’ve been given a lot of flack by my peers and my own family about how neglected my Spanish is, and growing up, it drove me further away from learning it. It definitely made me feel like I wasn’t Latino enough, so I lived a very whitewashed life until college, and even then, I’m still grappling with all that. I’ve come around in recent years, learning Spanish little by little, and finding content like this that offers some of the histories of the Americas and the atrocities of colonialism. It just wasn’t ever talked about, either because it was easy to ignore and to pretend colonialism was justified/wasn’t all that bad, or the opposite, that the stories are too painful to share, and still hit too close to home. It’s unfortunate that hard truths are so easy to dismiss. Either way, definitely didn’t expect to find such relevant info in my life through some old mediocre dinosaur movies.

[@nataschavisser573]

Funny, but as a child in apartheid era South Africa I often heard about how bad the colonists of Australia and the Americas were to "their natives". You see, us Afrikaans settlers did not exterminate "our natives" like they did. In fact, we were positively benovolent by contrast! A prominent white liberal politician actually tweeted a couple of years back that colonialism brought benefits such as health care and education. Gee, I guess all's well that ends well (provided you ignore that education and healthcare are not gifts graciously bestowed by the white man but comodities colonial people have to buy after their forcible incorporation into capitalism). It still amazes me that people I know and who I though were sensible don't see what is wrong with the tweet.

[@KateeAngel]

Hm, but then apartheid regime used such myths as propaganda to remain in power, so it is understandable why the propaganda was so widespread and that is why it is pervasive. Actually, about the benefits of colonialism. Yeah, some good things were developed only cause western world contacted and started to colonise other regions, but colonisers always benefited from those much more than the colonised.

[@walrusArmageddon]

Hey, as a Canadian, I empathize

[@linseyspolidoro5122]

Can’t forget the idea that monotheistic religion is ‘more evolved’ and animism/polytheistic indigenous religions are ‘primitive’ and ‘a look into the past.’ Which is a theory that has been debunked several times over yet is still so pervasive.

[@jliller]

Monotheistic religion is strictly superior to polytheistic religion. Monotheistic religion involves a single supreme being while polytheistic involves a bunch of beings that, while vastly more powerful than humans, have limited power and suffer from weaknesses. The might look strange, but they are essentially just glorified superheroes. And in some cases (Greco-Roman mythology I'm looking at you) the gods are sociopathic scumbags. All-powerful, all-knowing, all-good or GTFO.

[@HaroldGodsoe]

@@jliller Define "strictly superior"? Asking for an East Asian culture.

[@jliller]

@@HaroldGodsoe In what way would gods with limited power be better in any way than a single all-powerful all-knowing all-good God? Why would you worship the imperfect and fininte when you can worship the perfect and infinite?

[@HaroldGodsoe]

@@jliller Better to worship? (I guess you have to worship?) Ok, in that case, then all-powerful all-knowing all-good objects of worship are also all-imaginary. Better to worship something a little more real.

[@deathdoor]

@@jliller It's not about "this one god being more 'powerful'", the kick is that this is a more straightforward way of saying "MY god is BETTER than your god, and he is only mine". Not surprisingly frequently these monotheistic societies tried to "spread" their god's influence, by conquest.

[@LimeyLassen]

My god you can't just tease Dinotopia like that and then never bring it up again

[@coldcrashpictures]

I talked about Dinotopia on a podcast last year if you want to check it out! The pod is called “Not if I Reboot You First!”

[@thewingedporpoise]

@@coldcrashpictures so far it's just you and billiam, the world needs to know

[@willmfrank]

Check out James Gurney's KZbin channel; in some of his videos he references his work on Dinotopia.

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Always so pleased to see creators getting sponsors and that coldcrash’s relationship with frome continues to remain strong. 🙌🏼

[@frankwolftown]

And you can donate to Indigenous Mutual Aid group here. www.indigenousmutualaid.org/

[@manospondylus4896]

The Jurassic Park videogames and comics actually address the fact that Ingen bought Isla Nublar and Isla Sorna from the Costa Rican government and then expelled the native people who used to live there. In the Telltale game you even play one of the former natives who tries to sabotage the corporation as revenge and in Trespasser you can explore some of their ancient ruins

[@liannsmith7317]

why are there so many porn bots in the comments section I want discussion about dinosaurs

[@Gloomdrake]

Teach AI the beauty of dinosaurs (not the lewd kind)

[@ancientswordrage]

What if its just really niche porn?

[@gapsule2326]

Still better than the racist comments defending colonialism

[@haley5735]

@@gapsule2326 YUP. I love the internet because of this video but I hate it because of those comments.

[@liannsmith7317]

@@gapsule2326 big facts!

[@shadowboxing7029]

Throughout my life I have come up against people who believe that I should be grateful to them, to their people for being able to exist in my own country. I have been told what I am capable of as an indigenous person, limited at the least to self destructive at the most. Hearing people say that my people's language has no place here, is of no use, the list goes on. This colonialist attitude of superiority and entitlement is exhausting to say the least, the fight to not allow myself to be othered has never been one that I can put down. It's so ingrained in the dominant culture here that I didn't even notice it until far into my adulthood. So on that note I would like to say thank you for helping to lessen the load. If even one person changes their mind, it's a step in the right direction towards a kinder society for future generations, it all helps. Your hard work and compassion is truly appreciated.

[@Natureboy1235]

Fun fact about Columbus Day: It was meant to be an "apology" to the Italian American community, for the lynching of ten Italian American immigrants in 1891 in New Orleans after being falsely accused of killing the police chief. It was only meant to be a one time celebration

[@blixer8384]

Yeah that sounds like something White Americans would do. American Government: Hey we know your upset that mobs of our own citizens keep murdering you for being Catholics and Immigrants but to make up for it: we’re going to celebrate the one time an Italian did something for America... once...

[@aydenhernandez2572]

First of all it was eleven,the original number of suspects in the murder were nineteen however eight were found innocent and acquitted. Second,it wasn't false because there is evidence that atleast six of them were guilty. Three,"it was meant as an apology" that is a blatant lie that can easily be debunked,show me your source for this information,but I digress,Columbus day has been an Italian-American holiday for years,much longer than 1934 the year Franklin Delano Roosevelt made it a federal holiday,it was an annual celebration of Italian immigrants that they had celebrated since 1792 on the 300th anniversary of his discovery,this is why for years Italian-American's have been fighting tooth and nail to keep it around,even on some occasions starting physical fights during arguments.

[@theangryholmesian4556]

@@aydenhernandez2572 Bullshit. Source?

[@aydenhernandez2572]

@@theangryholmesian4556 I linked my sources but I can't see it in the comments,can you?

[@mechanomics2649]

@@blixer8384 Actually, Italians helped in bringing socialist values to America which led into worker's unions. But yeah, of the choices available, they chose the worst one by far.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

17:33 this is irrelevant but that lizard is adorable.

[@viiiic.]

I spent the first 16 minutes looking forward to the lizard after I saw your comment, and you’re absolutely right.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@viiiic. yup! I just want to stroke it's little head and let it run around in a terrarium.

[@edienandy]

What kind is it?

[@SirThinks2Much]

@@edienandy I believe it’s a tokay gecko

[@lilyhomma6965]

Agreed! I also love the 2-pronged boi a couple seconds earlier

[@barbaraduran4231]

As a south american I really appreciated this video. I grew up with all kind of films from Hollywood depicting colonialism as this magic event that allowed europeans to have adventures in a new land, while they helped natives, fell in love with wild, pure women not corrupted by civilization and fought evil, cannibal natives. The older I got, the more I realized how twisted that narrative was. I'm happy that you pointed out the paper that both religion and science had in the oppresion and genocide of natives, since a lot of people seems to forget that scientist don't exist in a vacuum, and are influenced by the society they live in, the moral values and the socio-economic interests of their era.

[@718junius]

because non-european natives were innocent , pacifists who never conquered and killed weaker peoples around them.

[@prixe12]

​@@718junius Indigenous people having interpersonal conflict within their own communities doesn't excuse centuries of genocide and ethnic cleansing you fucking ghoul

[@ishrendon6435]

​@@718juniusthats not the point buddy and no theu didn't kill each other at the rate the Europeans did stop being in denial and just say reality you make us white peoole look ignorant and bad. I get your point but virtuallt all soceites had tribes and did compete with other tribes ot isnt unique ot one area and europe also jad many kindgoms and tribes that allowed horrific type sof violence

[@ishrendon6435]

​but to try and equate primative or tribal warfare that btw killed few to a European conquest and gneocide especially by spain and britian the numbers are disgusting is laughable and speaks of current white guilt or better yet ignorance of history

[@orilliavail1380]

There is a really chilling quote that I always think of when I hear about the the white saviour trope “we need to save the Indian from himself.”🤮🤮🤮

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

"You are being rescued. Please do not resist."

[@cookablecookie]

I would really recommend you watch "Terrible Jungle" (2020), it's a french comedy about an newbie idealist anthropologist going into the jungle in Guyana to look for a "lost tribe". His mother (a seasoned anthropologist who is shown to use her research to help authoritarian governments) goes in search for him, believing him to be too dumb to survive in the jungle. A lot of the comedy relies on characterizing the characters external to the tribe as totally projecting their realities on the indigenous people, which leads to some really hilarious moments.

[@plapln9347]

"I know 1960 was 60 years ago" Don't you be dropping bombs like that

[@walrusArmageddon]

It gets worse, 1990 was almost 32 years ago

[@orionaugustwatson]

I don't know if it's relevant or not, but it's the internet so here's the origin of my take on the infamous legacy of Colonialism:- I'm in a weird place ,since my paternal ancestors were part of English expeditions, my great grandfather was actually a massive Churchill supporter ; While my maternal ancestors were freedom fighters and Bengal famine survivors. Basically my ancestors were perpetrators and survivors of the atrocities caused by Colonialism.

[@ohman9068]

That's very interesting. How do the two sides of your family get along? I'm indian, but some of my aunts married white guys (though as far as I know, no direct connection to british colonialism) and I find in my family there's this generational split where the older generations practically worship them (and any other white person willing to give them the time of day) and the younger generations definitely do not. I think it's the result of two different reactions to the extreme racism they all faced: my grandparents internalized it and truly seem to view white people as better than them while my parents just got angry and thus have very different sentiments towards white people. Anyway, that's all from a Canadian perspective. I'd be curious to know how the U.K. is different.

[@orionaugustwatson]

@@ohman9068 well my great grandparents passed away before my parents met. And my grandparents happened to be somewhere in the middle regarding the legacy stuff. But they did managed to coexist pretty amiably ,from what I remember. (My maternal grandpa passed away when I was around six and five years later my paternal grandpa passed away. My paternal grandma joined them a couple of years ago) . So basically my immediate family, at least from what I remember we're pretty normal I guess. Extended families had some issues but since we lived in different continents for the most part ,history discussions were usually delayed at least until we were settled or vice versa. If my great grandparents from both sides met each,it'd be a very uncomfortable meeting I bet. Regardless I'm happy that my parents made sure I'm acquainted with both sides of the culture, including the languages. (I'm fluent in Sanskrit, Hindi and Bangla, along with Gaelic , Welsh and a few dialects of English) . And I try to learn the best of both worlds , and acknowledge the worst. From streets of Oxfordshire to the hills of Darjeeling , why choose when life's a buffet

[@beezlebubrulerofhell3118]

Same with me, my family's split on the maternal side with Native Americans (Turtle mountain Chippewa specifically) and french fur traders and English colonists on the paternal

[@hisimca]

@@orionaugustwatson Just out of curiosity, how and why did you learn Sanskrit? It's used by almost no-one in India, and the miniscule areas that do use it are in the south

[@orionaugustwatson]

@@hisimca well I'm actually obsessed with reading the literature,scriptures or anything cultural in its original language. And linguistics in general now that I think about it. Languages are like a window to a culture,and the rythm within syllables contains so much more than words . From Vedas, Upanishads to Mayan and African literature. In fact someday I plan to actually visit the places. In case of Sanskrit , I got lucky since:- 1) Bangla and Hindi were kind of my mother tongues , which are seemingly derived by Sanskrit a lot. And mum taught me Devanagari script basics , and stuff 2)we went to India several times during vacations , and I made a deal with mum's relatives who helped a lot. Especially around my cousin's Upnayan. Basically I had a lot of help regarding the Indian and European languages, and I'm working on some other languages, preferably ancient. For instance I wanna learn Tamil and read Tiruvalluvar's work(if I'm spelling it even half correct)too ,but so far haven't had many opportunities to learn it. I love the temple architecture too. TL;DR : I'm obsessed with older languages, and the resources and help for Sanskrit was more accessible to me. Also I guess it's already 2021 in India by now if my assumptions are anywhere close ,so happy new year . Hope you're safe, healthy and happy

[@user-mv8ys5og5l]

"Everyone knows who Claude Rains is" Yeah, he's the Invisible M- "He's the Louie of 'Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship'" *(realizes i should have checked the cast before I watched Casablancas)*

[@MK-hh1vo]

Ha! My 1st thought was "He's the bad guy in Hitchcock's Notorious." Film nerd much! 😄

[@dailyplanet354]

The Inviseible Man was my first thought as well.

[@jjj7790]

"Oh hey, it's Wolfman's dad."

[@EHH246]

“Where did he get his degree? Liberty University?” As someone who grew up in Lynchburg, Virginia, I smiled at that line.

[@Edaphosaurus]

This isn't explicitly about colonialism, but I think the strangest thing about Rev. Care being the antagonist in The Lost World is that in real life it is generally creationists who concoct the stories of surviving dinosaurs and pterosaurs. The discovery of a plateau of surviving dinosaurs, particularly from all over the Jurassic and Cretaceous, would entirely undermine the evolutionary view of the world, as one would have to explain how such creatures survived for 66 million years while everywhere else they became extinct. Meanwhile, someone who believes in a 6,000 year old earth would explain that this discovery strengthens their argument that all life was created relatively recently in the same place. Still, a better antagonist than a racist caricature that's for damn sure.

[@Nejvyn]

IIRC (it's been a while since I saw the film) his concern was about the discovery of the ape men, not so much the dinosaurs. Your argument still stands, but to his non-scientific mind they were the "missing link" that would have proven a human-ape relationship.

[@Edaphosaurus]

@@Nejvyn that would make sense, I can see how their discovery would be a problem for him! Funnily enough almost the exact same conceit was used in the recent animated film "Missing Link", where the primary antagonist seeks to destroy evidence of the Bigfoot for perceived inconvenience to their notions of the world.

[@MichaelParthum]

@@Nejvyn It could also be that Rev. Care happens to be one of those who believed dinosaurs never existed, as in "Those bones were put here to test our faith".

[@Thagomizer]

Agreed, it's completely stupid.

[@aebhosor4835]

The film and book were both made a few decades before we found that Dinosaurs were killed off by an asteroid, and not a huge flood or by stupidity. So this is reasonable

[@purcascade]

This librarian *really* enjoys the shade you throw at the white supremacists' crappy citations. 😁

[@qetoun]

yep, those Chinese and Ottoman imperialists really took a beating didn't they.

[@dosran5786]

but yet colddrash cited no citations at all you seem hypocritical karen.

[@Turt3752]

@@dosran5786 did I miss something or did he not only tell you exactly the title and release date of each piece of media he looked at as well as say the author(s) and name of each book he took quotes from?

[@nomisunrider6472]

"I'm not guilty, I'm angry. I'm angry that someone decided long before I was born to feed me a crock of shit about the history of the so-called new world." Finally someone says it! We're not guilty about what our ancestors did, we're pissed that we have to clean up after them. And by the people who pretend that those problems aren't that or actively make our job harder by adding to them.

[@718junius]

our ancestors did what their ancestors did to someone else.

[@nomisunrider6472]

@@718junius That's like saying that since Jack the Ripper was a serial killer it was okay for Jeffrey Dahmer to be a serial killer.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@718junius- We know better, now. That's what societies do (however poorly): learn from the past and try to improve for the future. "I get to beat you up because someone else beat up my grandfather" is no defense.

[@saturationstation1446]

you should be more angry that you are taught america is independent of european control when its never been and in this form, never will be. we are a resource/labor colony for european oligarchs and monarchs to exploit for their conquests of fortune and power... there's a good reason why most americans starve to death despite working 25x more than europeans while europeans are the least productive/profitable population on the planet as they enjoy the highest quality lives on the planet...

[@chrisjames3272]

Wow, I can't believe you made a video on this topic. I thought it was too niche. I have a weird love/disdain for The Lost World and your perspective is fascinating!

[@coldcrashpictures]

If it feels niche, that’s sorta by design. Part of my process is searching KZbin for the video I have in mind to make sure nobody’s already made a video quite like it.

[@Animechick7797]

That excerpt from the Columbus voyage about the woman who was raped and beaten and was forced into sex slavery....terrified me. Almost brought me to tears honestly..

[@Stauderhorse]

Rocking that Newsies-era Christian Bale hair, I see.

[@lh9591]

Just like Christian Bale in Pocahontas!

[@Stauderhorse]

@@lh9591 Ohh you're right, maybe that's what he was going for to tie into the subject matter of the video. If so, that's brilliant.

[@sonicshead]

My dinosaur figure “frank” and I are so ready for this

[@orionaugustwatson]

Please deliver my greetings to Frank

[@sonicshead]

@@orionaugustwatson she said nothing in reply, which I guess would translate into “Greetings to you too fellow traveller”

[@orionaugustwatson]

@@sonicshead well it's a pleasure to make her indirect acquaintance then

[@stupidass69420]

TELL FRANK ILL MAKE THEM TAMALES

[@sonicshead]

@@stupidass69420 I think she smiled, she might be gaining a conscious of her own

[@MaxToddUniverse]

"31. the answer to your question is 31." was prescient

[@83ayodele]

Shout out to Princess Weekes (who I ADORE) who shouted out your video for Gone with the Wind and I have been a fan of yours since. Glad you’re getting sponsorships!

[@coldcrashpictures]

She is the BEST!!!

[@wweltz]

KZbinR CROSSOVER KZbinR CROSSOVER!! DOOOO IT!!

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

More crossovers maybe? Even shout-outs? I love seeing the comraderie!

[@jnyerere]

This is probably my favorite video you've ever done. The amount of cited History in these 50+ minutes was more than most people will ever learn in their K-12 education. I wish more people understood that what is taught in American schools is more an Indoctrination System than it is an "Education System."

[@ellie4328]

It’s the same in the uk, we had an absolutely massive role in colonialism but we never learn a thing about it in school history lessons

[@reneedooma]

*all "western" education/systems are imperialist propaganda/indoctrination

[@alanhegewisch4486]

A few days later than expected, but I knew Santa would deliver.

[@ragingbanshee]

I mean, the 2001 picture was my favourite growing up but for reasons that had less to do with its attempt at postcolonial self-awareness and more to do with Tom Wards glorious moustache. Jokes aside, revisiting old favourites is always difficult. On the one hand, to paraphrase a pioneering scholar and cultural critic, we can appreciate art/entertainment and acknowledge its more pernicious aspects at the same time. On the other, I haven't been able to pick up a Lovecraft book in quite a long time.

[@lilhonor5425]

When you cited Linda Tuhiwai Smith I knew this would be a good video. Shows you’ve done your research on the topic!

[@onbearfeet]

29:20 Swinging by two years later to say thank you for this. This video, and the sources it introduced me to, actually helped me put a crack in my father's racist worldview a few days ago. He went on a rant about indigenous people in the Americas being "so undeveloped" that they "didn't even have the wheel" and I was able to make more or less the same points you did (though I added that there's ancient indigenous pottery that probably couldn't be made without a potter's wheel), followed by, "What were they supposed to hitch an oxcart to? A llama? A bear? A MOOSE?!" At which point he went quiet for a moment and said, "I hadn't thought about that." I've watched enough docs and read enough books by now that I forgot this video was my starting point, and the source of the picture of the little rolling toy that popped into my head at that moment. So, thanks! You helped change a mind (very slightly)!

[@netherworlde]

The last bit about whether researchers have a right to knowledge and truth, I think, is best exemplified in a Calvin and Hobbes quote: "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."

[@jolksjumbojemi]

only halfway through, don't mind me... just commenting for the algorithm... god i love how you tackle such important aspects we've come to know in the "post-colonial world" that's still hurting us and skewing our perceptions, it's very concise and entertaining. hope you keep it up, thank god frome supports your cause.

[@gottesdominion4018]

For a second there I thought you weren’t gonna continue this series, I’m so glad that you are!

[@coldcrashpictures]

I’ve literally got two more episodes on deck....

[@Firenze1924]

*and there was much rejoicing throughout the land. The king has come home.

[@gottesdominion4018]

@@coldcrashpictures EXCELLENT! I hope one is an analysis of how Planet of Dinosaurs is very Pro Anarcho-Primitivism

[@siddhant3777]

The long hair looks chef's kiss omg i will be simping

[@auldthymer]

I wanted to see the yellow overalls again

[@John12494]

To add another layer to this, South Florida itself was a place that was practically its own lost world in more ways than one. The Seminole natives who lived there themselves eventually got forced to reservations by settlers. Though this wasn't until later due to the fact that the Everglades were an insanely hostile place and the natives used it to their advantage.

[@dantecrottogini529]

I'd like to know how you'd write a Lost World movie, it'd be pretty interesting

[@catsthemovie4692]

The irony is we collectively watched a lot of these "Bushman" movies at school and enjoyed them. Most of them were comedies(white man goes to Africa meets a native african tribe...). Imagine that a whole class of african kids watching these oblivious to the racism. 😅

[@colleennewholy9026]

I mean... I enjoy Western movies... And I uh. I know about the racism. LMAO It's painful

[@dandylionsloth446]

. . .there is no way African kids would be watching this and not notice the racism.

[@catsthemovie4692]

@@dandylionsloth446 not if it doesn't feature your fellow countrymen. We were kids raised in an urban area, and the characters in these movies lived in some remote grassy saharan area with wildlife. The tribes featured were the khoisan etc very far south of Africa.We weren't aware that whites think Africa is just that

[@13realmusic]

This video is a whole semester long lecture crammed into 54 minutes for me. I appreciate it, but my mind is filled to the brim.

[@Funnylittleman]

Omg thank god. A nice way to finish off the year. Just in time ♥️

[@NoiseDay]

More men talking about sexism, please and thank you

[@phillippat6601]

I wonder how Pixar's 'Up' fits into all of this, if at all? There's some cross over with regards to exploration of 'unchartered territory'.

[@SomewhatMoot]

I don’t have anything productive to add to this conversation. I just wanted to express my genuine affection for this video and it’s message. Thank you.

[@Kasia_Luna]

Bless the algorithm, this video is gold. Also, not going to lie, Veronica's character made me laugh out loud. She's so out of place, it's like Pamela Anderson from Baywatch making a cameo, it's so ridiculous.

[@iceleafofalba]

As an indigenous guy who is also a dinosaur nerd, so grateful for this wonderful video essay. Aroha from Aotearoa - New Zealand

[@mechanomics2649]

I wish you had listed citations for how advanced non-European cultures were. I'd never heard about some of these things and would have like to have read more from them.

[@leilapritchett4905]

an amazing deep dive! i've only just started learning about the horrors of colonization recently, and i have seen it show up in a lot of my favorites lately :/

[@ghumashenaa4414]

your existence gives me hope for humanity

[@georgiosz.9493]

I'm so glad the 2001 Lost World adaptation is getting the recognition it deserves

[@HVolnWhatnow]

You dropped this at just the right time for me to get the message on re-examining the piece of fiction writing I’m revisiting now, after its original conception from my teen years. I get the feeling you maybe aimed to have this out before thanksgiving, but the research you did was great, and I’m looking forward to diving into those books more in the process. If you ever have a rough day of researching, recording, and/or editing, hopefully I can get across that you’ve got no idea how important essays like this are, and have been to me. Thank you

[@captainstarlight3780]

As an aspiring writer, learning how to avoid colonist narratives being perpetuated in new settings is important and I appreciate someone making a video along those lines as a good starting point.

[@hawksandsparrows]

Hair is looking ~so~ good

[@felipemath]

Your hair is so fabulous that it distracted me the whole video.

[@alexandrumircea]

I'm glad there is a safe space where, in what hair style at least is concerned, 1999 still hasn't ended!

[@bemodreamy]

I grew up on a The Lost World animated series, which I think premiered in 2002, and I remember it being pretty weird and badass

[@bemodreamy]

It was apparently a Canadian production and I watched it on APTN but I can’t find where it premiered originally 🤷‍♀️

[@SnarkNSass]

Yes...not really guilt but anger. I also feel sorrow and shame. Thank you. PEACE

[@Alias_Anybody]

I kind of feel obligated to correct a few things: The high middle ages were not a particularly bad time period in Europe at all. Technologically, most of Eurasia was pretty much on par in the 11th century (3rd crusade for reference). The late middle ages were even pretty developed - until the Black Death hit and killed up to 80% of the population (don't worry, it became better). That wasn't a specifically European phenomenon though, it had very similar death rates in China. Many particularly bad things people associate with the middle ages like witch burning, (later) plague waves and religious bigotry actually happened primarily in the 15th century (early modern period) when the reformation wars devasted many regions. Steel armour was the objectively best armour to use in Europe, was constantly and massively improved from the 8th to the 15th century and it was already used together with padding (wool and linen). The reason the Spaniards reduced or dropped it was primarily climate, what may work in southern France or Poland just won't be bearable in the tropical forests of Mexiko (people in the Middle East also frequently wore different armour due to the climate). High quality steel armour was so good by 1500 that it actually boosted the use of firearms, because... While early firearms were inferior to bows in terms of accuracy and range (pistols were almost melee-weapons), they had far more penetrating power, and more importantly were easier to use, required less strenght to do so and could be mass-produced. In comparison, a good longbow takes months to build and a decade to train, decent gun (and pikemen) could be trained in weeks. Pike&Shot formations were developed as a counter against ultra heavy cavalry though, not against light often barely armoured infantry of Native American peoples. Heck, Cortez had more crossbowmen than gunmen. Steel weapons and horses (and obviously the whole "society collapses because of disease"-thing) were far more important factors in favour of the early conquerors. And in the case of Cortez also very clever politics and diplomacy.

[@JMD501]

I don't think it was primarily climate that caused the Spanish to not wear their plate armor. I mean metal armor was used in India which has a similar climate. I think they didn't use it because they didn't need to. Textile armor struggles against metal weapons, but against flint and obsidian weapons I bet it is very effective. Also I find it hard to believe that European textile armor was inferior to new world armor.(not that you said it was)

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@JMD501 Well, yeah, if it's less comfortable AND less useful the incentive to not use it is even stronger. Another factor could have been that it would have been harder to maintain and repair with no native ironsmiths available.

[@JMD501]

@@Alias_Anybody thats a really good point. I am sure even just keeping armor and weapons oiled was difficult.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@JMD501 Not sure if Cortez already did but later Conquistadors literally took herds of pigs with them to have a steady supply of meat and grease.

[@Tareltonlives]

Well, less so the steel and more the horses and political skill of Cortes and Pizarro.

[@EhrisaiaOShannon]

Was that Will from Will & Grace!? Lmiao. 💜

[@coldcrashpictures]

It WAS. And that was Phillip Jennings of ‘The Americans’ in the BBC adaptation!

[@BethanFuckingRose]

When I say I screamed

[@EhrisaiaOShannon]

@@BethanFuckingRose Screamed about what, sis?? Lol. You ok??

[@grooveonthehillside]

Can you update the description with the mutual aid organization you choose when you know it?

[@coldcrashpictures]

Yes, I definitely plan to! Although I’ll tell you right now it’s probably going to be www.indigenousmutualaid.org/

[@THATGuy5654]

There's a certain kind of humour that is so sneaky that I involuntarily let out barks of laughter from time to time. These are usually very few and far between. I counted at least 4 in this one video alone. Subscribed.

[@angela_merkeI]

I have to disagree with the point about armour and guns. The purpose of guns wasn't accuracy but force, hence why they were used to shoot volleys (and the psychological impact of hearing them). This is why conquistadors also had crossbows for accuracy (and again, penetration), not to forget that crossbows and muskets need much less training than bows.

[@nicovelardita8619]

Also native american cotton armor is in no way close to 15th century European steel plate, maybe more convenient for jungle warfare, but still, not even close.

[@mechanomics2649]

@@nicovelardita8619 Yeah there are some eyebrow raising claims in here which is especially bad because of all of the good information in it.

[@michaszkot4419]

I'm not going to wish you a Happy New Year, but a better year than 2020. Loved Birds of Prey, thanks for recommendation. Stay safe, I love you and your work.

[@redactedredacted6656]

I'm English and how many people (including the prime minister) still romanticise colonialism is horrifying.

[@GabdeVue]

This analysis has so much that i deeply enjoy: Several movies compared under a specifically shaped looking glass, asking a relevant question, pulling visual evidence, well edited and to the point. Good sound and clear pronunciation for this non-native English speaker.

[@benwatford3068]

>hour long video about how a 100 year old movie with big dumb lizards is racist >104K views

[@GandalfTheTsaagan]

Hi, Dane Pavitt brought me here with his recent vid of his take on a modern Lost World! I'm very glad I've checked this out because it was informative, educational and I've been hooked from beginning to end! You've got yourself a new sub 👍

[@evaserration6223]

This is one of the reasons I started to fall out of love with Star Trek The Next Generation. Even though the crew is shown to meet other equally or more advanced races and the Federation does have in place the Prime Directive of non interference and exploitation, there is still an air of moral authority regarding other alien cultures which are often coded as 'primitive' and in need of saving. I still love Star Trek's idea of a unified utopia and it's still something to aspire to on this planet. I just wish that colonialism hadn't made engaging with other cultures in real life and in fictional media such a minefield that is still felt to this day.

[@jeremybk8770]

I grew up on TNG, but if I ever get up the gumption to do any criticism videos 1/4 as good as this one. Is love to do one about the neoliberal "democracy building" ideology in star trek. I think there's film crit gold in there.

[@theangryholmesian4556]

I think you can acknowledge the harms of colonialism while not falling for moral relativism. Sometimes bad things are bad and pointing out that they're bad is not colonialism.

[@mesozoicisland22]

Kinda getting a kick out of seeing "Will" from "Will and Grace" as Malone.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

I kinda want to run a d&d campaign in which the player's are sent to the "new world" and must figth back the native races (species is the closer term, the ones typically known as monsters) and then just see how long it takes them to figure out they are doing colonialism. This would be a dick move.

[@wweltz]

Just wanted to say I love these longer videos from you!! You have such a pleasant voice and intonation!!

[@Philosophie.a5158]

Thank you for always talking about such complex topics on your channel and actually educating people. I'm safe to say you've influenced my world views!

[@Artemisa97]

Usually when people go on about spanish "conquers" they only talk about Cortés, but the one who was really off his fucking rocket was Pizarro. Both awful mosnters who caused unconcibable amounts of harm, but God. Pizarro was... something else entirely. The Bible thing sounds right up his twisted, twisted alley. Great video! I knew that this kind of movies were very racist, but I'm not an expert and is nice to have a good video essay unpacking everything.

[@theangryholmesian4556]

Pizarro makes Cortez look like a fluffy bunny.

[@fridasaavedra8460]

All the shit that Pizarro did to indigenous people is worse if you know that he had a half indigenous daughter, and that the mother was family of the Inca.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

@@fridasaavedra8460 ahh, chilling.

[@sonicshead]

It’s very early and I don’t care I’m watching it twice

[@kseniav586]

"So how do I now it was that bad? Basic human empathy really"

[@moonie3866]

It's always a good day when you post! I seriously enjoyed this video, despite always hating lost world type stories since I was a child. The reasons for disliking them has shifted, but it's great to see people examining the harmful tropes and narratives they perpetuate in an entertaining and accessable way. I will have to pick up that book on African colonization that you recommended! Happy new year!

[@jolksjumbojemi]

my god, you look suave with the hair. love the topic today, so excited to watch!

[@liannsmith7317]

not the 1492 shirt absolute icon

[@lilyhomma6965]

1492/1492 would buy. Seriously though

[@nikolahetn944]

I can't even imagine how much time it takes to make these videos and research for them. Thank you so much for your hard work, I love your videos!

[@eliisonline]

I always come out of your videos with a lot of new books to read and a greater understanding of topics I didn't even realize were so fundamental before. Thanks, man!

[@Firenze1924]

Dude. You’re analysis is so well researched, and so well articulated. You really are the king of KZbin. Also... can I work for you?

[@khazermashkes2316]

When I saw the makeshift bridge in the 2001 movie I was expecting to see a sturdy Indigenous made bridge a few seconds later.

[@Cass63450]

Awesome! Thank you for this. I learned a lot. And I will check out the books you refer to. All the best from Germany! Stay safe and have a good crossing into the new year.

[@IrishMorgenstern]

Always a delight to see a notification from you! Thanks for all your efforts!

[@danieladelgadomedina7366]

I HAVENT FINISH THE VIDEO YET BUT THE FACT THAT YOU SAY TAHUANTINSUYO JUST AAAHHH I’m from Perú so I’m just AAAAHHHH. And YES THE INCA AND HIS SON DID DIE AND THATS WHAT STARTED THE CIVIL WAR BETWEEN HUÁSCAR Y ATAHUALPA. IM LOVING THIS VIDEO SO FAR AAAAAHHHH !!!!

[@japanonlysays]

this video: *pops up in my suggestion* me: *reads the title* gosh, this man and his dinosaurs... me: *sees the timestamp* sighs me: *clicks anyway*

[@demigothneka]

This is one of your best videos. Your passion for the source material and topic really shines through. Keep up the good work!

[@YT-bk9wr]

Wow. What a fantastic video. I absolutely *LOVE* the analysis here, and thank you for all the citations from actual indigenous historians. I wish we had more of that introspection.

[@waywardwillard]

I’m sorry, this has nothing to do with the video, but I’m rolling on the floor laughing bc you happened to say the name of my hometown when you were discussing the “plain” and “field” names. 😹 (Though my “plain” hometown is actually in CT 😱)

[@coldcrashpictures]

Small world! One of those towns is actually my father’s birthplace.

[@wellthismachinekills3809]

TREY the Explainer also touched on this subject in his video debunking lost dinosaurs of the Congo, its a good watch after this one.

[@dare7782]

This video had no business hiding from me for three days! Thanks so much for your insightful content and donations of the proceeds of this video.

[@paolettaelisabeth8787]

Fantastic video! i always love coming to this channel. you bring so much sincere compassion to your work and that shows! happy new year to you

[@davidespiritu4667]

Love the video! As someone who has loved the lost world genre since childhood but always pissed off by the colonialist subtext (well, usually flat-out text) laced throughout, I found this That said: "Ran circles around" is pushing it. Kind of an example of countering a common misconceptions so far you're creating whole new ones. Adaptation to local climates aside, I'll just focus on military technology, as that is the area with which I'm most familiar: Armor: Europeans had textile armors long before coming to the Americas, which as with the textile armors of the Nahua peoples rendered the wearer fairly slash-resistant. However, to state that plate armor was "only slightly" more protective is flat-out incorrect. While textile armors provide excellent protection from obsidian blades and lighter cuts from steel weaponry, they provide poor protection from solid thrusts and more powerful projectile weapons. In contrast, steel plate armor rendered the wearer practically invulnerable to edged weaponry (including arrows and lances), and higher-quality suites were what gave rise to the term "bulletproof". Maneuverability in the armor was no issue; the plates were fitted to the body of the wearer, and (by the late 1400s) designed such that they provided a complete range of motion (some examples even had double-jointed limbs). The primary reasons such armors were phased out in Spanish colonial use were that they were uncomfortable in humid climes, considerably more expensive than textile armors, and were complete overkill against anything short of full-scale warfare against the gunpowder empires of the "old world" (such as the Turks, Moroccans, Indians, and other Europeans). Guns: The arquebus and musket were, in fact, considerably more powerful than slings and arrows. Enough so that they supplanted the crossbow as the missile weapon of choice in most large-scale old world militaries from Europe to Japan (and, in fact, were greatly sought-after by many native americans). While less-accurate and shorter-ranged, they had considerably greater stopping power than the bow, crossbow, or sling; while each of these was quite capable of killing its target, musket balls were much better at immediately incapacitating them. Gunpowder weapons' greater firepower also allowed them to pierce munition-quality (mass-produced, inexpensive) plate armors, a feat only potentially rivaled by the most powerful windlass crossbows, which took as long or longer on average to wind up than their gunpowder counterparts. Again, as with plate armor, the heavy muskets used against armored troops were overkill against lightly-armored targets, so by the time infantry armor became outmoded around the turn of the 18th century or thereabouts in western Europe they had been replaced with lighter, less powerful but more portable and convenient fusils. As for technological "advancement" and "command of their environment", Europeans of the medieval and early modern periods were far from the filth-strewn backwater of Victorian stereotyping. Steelcrafts, wind and water power, textile and dye production, agriculture, forestry, etc. were no less sophisticated in Europe than elsewhere in the world, and standards of hygiene were actually (generally) higher than they would be in the 18th century. Military technology in particular saw a great deal of advancement, as mught be expected from a resource-rich region dotted with constantly warring feudal states ruled by military elites who were expected to fight on the front lines. As someone for whom the middle ages IS one of my favorite historical time periods to look into, the dismissive temporal provincialism on display in the attitudes tidily summed up in the tumblr quote just makes me... well, sad, really. Native cultures were definitely far more sophisticated and technologically literate than they're usually credit for, and they certainly didn't "need" unwelcome European invaders to come in and "civilize" them, particularly when it came to thriving in environments they had lived in for millennia, and in which methods that had seen success in Europe's climes were hilariously unsuited. Hell, native American weapons and armor are disappointingly poorly researched in the modern day. (It's always annoyed me that I can't find a single decent modern reproduction of a Nahua macuahuitl that has the slender proportions of historical examples; all the "replicas" in circulation today have more in common with paddles or cricket bats.) And don't even get me started on the white supremacist bullshit that's been making the rounds since time immemorial. But credit where credit is due: European colonialist attitudes, arrogance, exploitation, and hypocrisy may (be and) have been complete and utter garbage, but their technology definitely wasn't.

[@davidespiritu4667]

tl;dr: European tech was pretty goddamn good actually, but the colonizers were still assholes.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

3:09 Yup, I miss all of this because I kept going: “IT HAS DINOSAURS! AWESOME!”

[@KaylasBestie]

Another great video. I'm always excited when I see that you've posted a video. And I make sure that I have all the time for it cause I know you're gonna always bring it. I'm always learning from you and it doesn't really feel overwhelming. I'm sitting down with an old friend, having conversation. What I especially live about your videos is that you're not afraid to do the work and hold those accountable. I'll continue to be a fan and a support your work. Take care and be safe.