Saurian Cinema: Dinosaur Cryptid Films

Do dinosaur still live somewhere out there in the world? Filmmakers certainly seem to think so!
Bibliography:
Abominable Science! by Daniel Loxton & Donald Prothero
Adventures in Cryptozoology Volume I by Richard Freeman
Hunting Monsters by Darren Naish
Drums Along the Congo by Rory Nugent
Starring T. Rex! by Jose Luis Sanz
Bigfoot, Yeti, and the Last Neanderthal by Bryan Sykes
Double Feature Creature Attack by Tom Weaver
Hayley Stephens blog: hayleyisaghost.co.uk/the-myst...
Zana DNA study: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/e...
MIT Loch Ness Study: web.archive.org/web/202206021...
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[@crossaffliction]

I love that the makers of The Jungle Book remake thought to themselves, "You know what, orangutans don't actually live in this region, that's unrealistic, let's go with the extinct ape instead! Much more plausible!"

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Yeah, the gigantopithecus Louie seems to be a rather good prehistoric addition to the otherwise British Raj colonial period piece.

[@Tata45868]

you know some days ago someone on Tumblr made a pool asking "what would surprise you more to find knocking at your door? A fairy or a walrus?" and the walrus won. I feel that the makers of the Jungle Book would also vote Walrus(I also voted walrus because considering where I live, both are probably equally likely to happen)

[@RedDeadSakharine]

Same with the version that portrays Tabaqui as Spotted Hyena. A species that's exclusive to Africa. Striped Hyena could have worked, though in the book it's a jackal...

[@crossaffliction]

​@@RedDeadSakharine I think that's a very specific difference between the hyena and the gigantopithecus; the hyena is just misplaced wildlife because someone didn't know or didn't care to research where hyenas actually live (or possibly didn't even know that jackals and hyenas are not the same animal; I've seen that frequently). That's just stupid and/or lazy. The Gigantopithecus in the 2016 version is a case where they did care where orangutans lived, did do the research, tried to fix the problem of the misplaced orangutan in the original Disney animated version, and came up with a solution to the problem that was somehow stupider than the original mistake.

[@iisaacnascimento]

​@crossaffliction I disagree, being completely honest, it was purely creative liberty. Just like they would think "yeah a boy being raised by wolves is completely reasonable but that unity of an ape isn't, cut that crap out of the movie". The thing was inserted in the movie not to be accurate, it was added to be fantastical and to give the already fantastic work even more fantasy elements, and guess what, other giant animal that appears in the movie is the indian python Kaa, but surprise, surprise, the proportions of the snake are not even close to the real animal, being that Kaa is far bigger than a real python, I mean have you looked at that thing? She could fit Mogli inside her mouth! To me she looks more like a Titanoboa with python skin (and yes, i freaking know Titanoboa lived in south America thousands of years ago). Summarizing, the movie doesn't cared about being accurate, or fixing dumb mistakes of it's predecessor, it cared to be an engaging story, full of fantastical elements, and that's ok. Common, fuck it that that oversized orangutan was extinct and didn't even lived at the region, it was freaking cool. Same goes to the stupidly big python. And about the spotted hyena... I think they just aimed to get a meaner looking animal to be Shere Kan's minion, due to the fact that jackal's are often portraited as a cunning and smart animals, and hyenas are often viewd as frightening. Plus jackals are cutier than hyenas and you don't want your main villain's minion to look cute.

[@ptittannique5621]

I’m a paleontologist (no joke), and I love this series, unsurprisingly. By the way, your use of that Gingko biloba place mat is subtle, but has not gone unnoticed…

[@petermorrissey8497]

I am a Palaeontologist too, branched into Cryptozoology under Dr Karl Shuker. I got that too.😂

[@lordcuddlebuttz3336]

you guys are living my dream career and i salute you 😭 i’ve always wanted to be a Paleontologist ever since i was a kid, especially since i live in Alberta Canada just a two hour drive away from The Royal Tyrell Museum, but i became a third year plumber/pipefitter instead because i was terrified of the high university student loan debt for all the courses i would need to become a paleontologist. i still think about dropping my current trades career to pursue my dream but it’s a huge choice 😂

[@ptittannique5621]

@@lordcuddlebuttz3336 Well, believe it or not, but we might be neighbours! I may also be affiliated to a place you might have visited once or twice. (Can't say more from this account)

[@redspec01]

@@lordcuddlebuttz3336dude, I salute you. I hope that someday you have the financial freedom to pursue your dreams.

[@manospondylus4896]

30:16 I love how cryptozoologists always claim that the indigenous people they get their stories from lead an untouched, primitive life with no contact to the outside world and therefore no knowledge of dinosaurs and then you just see this Congolese man sitting on the boat wearing a Playstation 2 shirt.

[@JurassicLion2049]

They try to do that with Indigenous people in Latin America a lot. Acting like all arent living in the modern world at all with no knowledge of stuff like Christianity or Coca Cola.

[@TheEireika]

Of course they are also deadly serious all the time and nobody ever thought about pranking or humoring those outsiders

[@Firestar-TV]

​@@spitt3640Funfact: there's a Tumor Disease that causes Hares and Rabbits to grow Horn like Growths, which may be the Origin of Stories about Jackalopes

[@prince-solomon]

How many books by anthropologists have you read? Let me guess: None Anthropology didn't start yesterday, the stories have been collected for almost two centuries now. How about that fact? Not every indigenous people in modern times are untouched by global civilization and at the same time: just because a native is wearing a Playsation 2 shirt, doesn't mean that they can read or have any understanding of what a Playstation 2 is supposed to be. You're confusing our own prejudices with facts. Don't. Stop spreading ignorance, misconceptions and prejudices, but rather educate yourself. If you hate books (wtf?) there are plenty of documentaries out there... EDUCATE yourself.

[@connormcmurphy4276]

What the hell are you even trying to lecture about? “Educate yourself, educate yourself, your prejudiced…” because he said that certain local natives might not be entirely isolated from society, and have some semblances of the modern world with them?

[@Psittaco]

Even though Nessie doesn't exist walking along the bottom of a murky lake has got to be the scariest thing ever.

[@nataschavisser573]

Yes, that's a hard pass from me.

[@ToliG123]

Diving for agates is something I've always wanted to do, but never built the confidence. I hate deep water.

[@sophiekrueger4719]

Exactly! Like, what if you just find a body?

[@justplainpsychotic]

My brain would be conjuring the most hellish things slinking out of the murk at me even though there's literally nothing there. Headlines would say: "Dude psychs himself out while diving in lake and has heart attack. Found dead with air tank nearly full." Lol

[@garethhughes7430]

@@justplainpsychotic Me fr

[@ComaToast712]

Werner Herzog playing himself while trying to find the Loch Ness monster is such a Werner Herzog role.

[@Nick_CF]

I'm always surprised how many times the man just pops up lol..love him

[@KrazyKaiser]

He also voices himself in American Dad! and The Boondocks, he's got a great sense of humor.

[@tritonjay9871]

Don't watch it though. It's one of those movies that feels like the crew just wanted an excuse for a nice vacation.

[@farkasmactavish]

​​​@@tritonjay9871Why is that a reason not to watch it?

[@HenryThomasRaptor]

It should be noted that the name "Mokele-Mbembe" isn't Lingala for "one who stops the flow of rivers". That was made up by cryptozoologists. I checked several English-Lingala and French-Lingala dictionaries; "mbêmbé" means "snail" and "mokelé" is a football term and wouldn't have existed when the first reports came out. It's also two nouns ungrammatically slapped together (there should be the connecting particle "ya" between them). So much discussion over this thing, yet nobody ever bothered to check the origin of its name

[@MahiMahi-yu5jo]

Wow! Thanks. I'm not forgetting this anytime soon 😊

[@AFancyApe]

Football snail football snail, he's on the football field, what shall he do

[@SpiderkillersInc]

I feel stupid now. Very, very stupid.

[@baconsinatra8837]

I remember it being claimed to mean "thing that does not exist"

[@whitenobeard]

​@@AFancyApeI feel like this is a reference to something I know. But by the gods I can't remember what.

[@lindseyclair921]

Dog hears that dinosaurs were no longer alive, lost interest, walked away.

[@Spider-Man_234]

Just like me fr

[@onbearfeet]

Yessss Saurian Cinema!!! Fun fact about the "hissing" lines in Cryptid ... bears actually do hiss! 😂 It's usually described as "huffing" or "blowing", but it's a sudden sharp exhalation used to warn or scare away potential threats. And from many bears, especially black bears, it sounds very much like a hiss! In fact, they're more likely to hiss at you than to hurt you; black bears would much rather eat garbage than pick a fight. So Cryptid is basically wall-to-wall bad information about bears. Kind of impressive, really. If you'd like to hear a bear making hissy noises, I recommend the video "Home invasion, Asheville style" on Patrick Conley's channel. It's a short clip of the channel owner coming downstairs to find a black bear investigating his living room, and the bear is pretty huffy about being told to leave. (No one gets hurt.)

[@RogueT-Rex8468]

Your comment reminds me hilariously of a cryptozoology comic I found where… it was just bears. Strange creature in the woods at night? Bear. Weird sounds in the water? Bear. And just shows all those well known “proof” photos of bears just mushing together in the shape of Bigfoot, lock ness or whatever else XD

[@onbearfeet]

​@roguet-rex8468 Bears can get into almost anywhere and do almost anything. They have highly individual personalities and can learn remarkably complex behaviors, which means that for any given cryptid behavior, there's probably a bear out there that has learned how to do it. Most likely a black bear. And their body shape changes dramatically throughout the year, so they don't even LOOK like bears half the time. Never underestimate bears.

[@lordcuddlebuttz3336]

⁠@@onbearfeet it’s true! bears do hiss! i live in alberta, canada, been hunting here most of my life and i’ve had a good handful of black bear encounters, as well as a couple grizzly bears, a couple of the black bears ive run into that were a little closer have hissed at me before running away 😂 it was very suprising. also i couldn’t agree more with your statement “never underestimate a bear”, because they are incredibly smart and powerful animals, we have a crazy amount of bears here in alberta, i’ve seen lots of grizzly bears along the shores of lower kannanaskis lake while fishing and they are just as massive and imposing as you would imagine them to be, it’s a very popular lake for local residents and tourists and those bears in that area have absolutely zero fear of humans, unfortunately less than a year ago there was a married couple hiking in that area that were attacked and killed by a grizzly while they were out camping for a few days, it was around the time where bears were waking up periodically in hyperphagia to eat whatever they could before going back to their dens.

[@keylen6965]

1:05:33 A sequel to the 1998 Godzilla was indeed made, "Godzilla: The Animated Series". It was one of my favorite shows growing up and is a major reason as to why I'm interested in creature design now. It's pretty good. It has an episode about Nessie by the way, it's one of my favorite episodes in regards to creature design. Edit: I made a mistake, it's "Godzilla: The Series" no animated.

[@anubusx]

I love that series. The episode Competition features The Mr Roger's Neighbourhood Mandela Effect.

[@e.d.3640]

That series was sooo good! It’s what got me into godzilla as a kid

[@dubuyajay9964]

Robo-Yeti...made by the Japanese. 🤯

[@berena.5028]

yeah that show was rad, got me into godzilla too, it was a great time to be a kid

[@manospondylus4896]

22:37 There IS a plesiosaur in 1933’s King Kong. Kong fights it while he takes Ann to his lair. It looks like a large snake but you can see it has flippers if you look closely

[@TitanosaurusFan75]

Yes there was. However the plesiosaur in question is depicted through the "head on the wrong end" version which was a popular fossil reconstruction made in 1869 just 2 years after the elasmosaurus' actual fossil discovery.

[@GandalfTheTsaagan]

This might have been the inspiration for the "prianhodon" from 2005's King Kong. In the movie it attacks the crew of the Venture in a deleted scene, but in the videogame a giant one attacks Kong and Ann in his lair. It also is serpentine with a pair of flippers near the head.

[@lorddevilfish5868]

That’s one of the weirdest scenes in the movie, Kong fighting a plesiosaur in a mountain is like if he fought an orca whale on top of Mount Everest!

[@acemarvel1564]

Cryptozoology is such a gold mine for both horror and Mystery

[@manospondylus4896]

And comedy if you look at the stories of the actual “researchers” trying to find the monsters

[@chaoticiannunez2419]

You forgot ADVENTURE!! Wooo!

[@glarnboudin4462]

It's a new mythology being built in real time.

[@jointcerulean3350]

Cryptozoology is essentially finding species not yet proven. Gorillas, the okapi, and Komodo as examples of proven species

[@randallbesch2424]

@@glarnboudin4462 old mythology up dated.

[@mattfrank85]

I have some insight into the poster controversy for The Dinosaur Project! Now I can’t speak for this specific production, but I’ve done packaging art for a LOT of home video releases, and evidently those sorts of goofy photoshop nightmares are often made at the request of mass market retailers like Walmart and Amazon. Evidently their market research (which is dubious, as we all know) demands the more sensationalist and “literal” packaging over the artsy versions. The poor folks at the Dinosaur Project probably had that terrible poster whipped up in the desperate hope that the film would be snapped up by folks who enjoy movies like Megaconda vs Crocolanch or whatever.

[@Dorian_sapiens]

Crocolanch was a pretty good movie, but Crocolanch 2: Two Crocolanches was the best entry in the series.

[@theofficialuncleboneless5345]

@@Dorian_sapiensand here I was legitimately hoping there was a B Movie called Crocolanch for me to enjoy.

[@shardperson3777]

I'm really surprised you didn't talk about TrollHunter, it's really THE best cryptid movie imo, amazing mockumentary and great found footage

[@chancegivens9390]

Good movie!

[@gabbyhaynes5394]

Something I think worth Mentioning since you brought up "The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes"... That film actually caused a Nessie Hoax decades after it's release: To my memory, the original Nessie prop was built with Humps. The director hated how the humps looked and asked them to be removed... Unfortunately, the humps actually provided the animatronic with extra buoyancy so not long after their removal the entire model sank into the Loch and was unrecoverable. The one shown in the film is primarily a rebuilt model that was re-calibrated to accommodate not having the humps, and they did all the effects work in a water tank instead of on-location should the new prop sink (it was expensive). Then in 2016, a local Maritime group who were investigating Nessie thought they had found the real thing... Only to instead realize they'd stumbled upon the prop from the film. It's still there afaik.

[@Alchemistmerlin]

The King Kong/Nessie thing also happens in the Alien truther communities. The reported appearance of aliens has changed over time as media has changed how they are presented, and the changes generally happen in media first and then later show up in reported "sightings"

[@prince-solomon]

STOP spreading baseless lies. That is simply totally wrong and a typical misconception that is spread by ignorant people who parrot other ignorant people without doing proper research. Anyone who actually takes a deeper look into Ufology quickly finds this out. - The sightings also go back millennia (Read "Passport to Magonia" or "Wonders in the Sky" by Jacques Vallée, or "Closer Encounters" by Dr. Jason Reza Jorjani for example). - Oh, there there are scientific studies & datab collections (by organization like MUFON for example) that show how the beings of most encounters look like in the modern era (over many decades, 100,000+ sightings from all around the world by all sorts of witnesses from all walks of life)... these statistics completely blow your baseless claim out of the water (yepp, actual science is more reliable than hearsay). Stop blindly believing anything someone claims on the internet or anywhere else. Do your own research. Don't let others spoon feed you their opinion. Make up your own mind. This is a worldwide phenomenon that pre-dates our civilization and goes beyond our capability of understanding -> which doesn't mean it cant be real. Do research (no propagandapedia), don't be ignorant and don't listen to demagoges. Put your own worldview, preconceptions and prejudices aside...if you're truly curious and not close-minded.

[@randallbesch2424]

Funny how the "aliens" have changed as humans perceptions have in popular culture.

[@crossaffliction]

At the "movie inspires the cryptid" bit in the video, and this might be covered elsewhere, but the classic "alien-y" chupacabra from Puerto Rico seems to be directly taken from "Species".

[@manospondylus4896]

The aliens that Barney and Betty Hill described in their alleged abduction apparently also bear a resemblance to the aliens from The Bellero Shield, an Outer Limits episode that aired earlier that year

[@benzelwasington4059]

Acctuelly the chupacabra was around way before the movie species came out around the 60s 70s it Just had a different name the moca vampire

[@Soilfood365]

Just to be _that_ nerd, in translation, Chupacabra exists at least back to 1758 - in Caprimulgus, which also broadly translates to goat-sucker, and is the genus name Linnaeus assigned to the nightjars/goatsuckers/chotocabra, which seem to have spent a lot of time in european folklore being accused of sucking the milk out of nursing goats at night.

[@arinbaun9452]

WE ARE SO BACK 😎

[@boblabinette]

A Dinosaur Story

[@ccompson2]

Back from where?

[@arinbaun9452]

@@ccompson2 ...the future 😳

[@alicelookingthroughtheglas2933]

@@arinbaun9452🤯🤯

[@randallbesch2424]

No, still extinct.

[@KrazyKaiser]

As someone who lives on Lake Champlain, it kind of baffles me how much more popular Nessie is than Champ seeing as Champ has *so much more lake* to be hiding in.

[@manospondylus4896]

Not just that, but there was even an official sonar survey that found whalesong-like calls of unknown origin emanating from the lake. So there might be actual evidence of some unusual animal in the lake.

[@KrazyKaiser]

@manospondylus4896 wow, I'll have to look that up. Lake Champlain was historically connected to the ocean (though I don't know how directly) so it's maybe plausible some porpoises found their way into the lake somehow?

[@carmillachoate]

I was thinking the same thing when watching that part. According to my super rough measurements on Google Earth, Lake Champlain is 26 miles long and 8 miles wide at its widest, which also happens to be where Burlington sits

[@firestarthndrclan1261]

My idea is with Nessie, that it doesn't *live* in Loch Ness per say. Loch Ness is the remnants of an ice age glacier that had carved it's way through the land, and with such an imprecise and massive object cutting away at the rock, it left many caverns and pockets it might hide or live in. I don't think Loch Ness proper is it's home, and it uses the lake as, perhaps, a nursery or feeding ground. Loch Ness IS also still connected to the ocean via River Ness, not to mention the small chance a cave could exit into the ocean as well. This is just my theory if it does exist, but I think it's more logically sound due to well-known evidence of caves in the Loch, and doesn't outright dismiss any evidence that has been collected right away.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

As somebody who was a huge cryptid nerd as a kid, and has developed a hyperfixation/obsession with King Kong in my young adulthood, I am IMMENSELY pleased to know that there’s a direct link between the original movie and the myth of the Loch Ness Monster.

[@randallbesch2424]

To me the island seems artificial and not at all natural as the scattered ruins attest. Imagine that Ramachandra Empire was real and more advanced than we are now some 100,000 years ago created several island parks populated with animals and plants both prehistoric and fantastic.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

@@randallbesch2424 What…the fuck are you talking about?

[@impostorsyndrome22]

You missed Pixar’s Up. What is Kevin, if not a cryptid that has driven a man mad across a decades long game of cat-and-mouse?

[@Dumitaz]

It's crazy if a Cryptozoology found one of those creature, then is no longer cryptic or part of their study 🤣

[@robertborland5083]

Sort of like the Joker regarding "crazy straws" as just regular straws, if the cryptozoologists found the creatures, they would just be regular zoologists.

[@Manakuuchiha]

​@@robertborland5083and lord knows they don't have the accreditation for that.

[@jakening6144]

Now im just picturing a bunch of people catching nessie, getting mad and throwing it back because now it's not a cryptid.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@jakening6144 well for the cryptid hunters and exterminators go they are still cryptids on an endangered species list. At least in my stories.

[@kyleaintgreat2548]

British tv show primeval has some of the best explanations for hidden monsters based on the fact that its about portals tearing open which lead to different times

[@purcascade]

Loved that show!

[@justafossil]

As an artist I want to say thank you for taking the time and effort to ensure none of the images you used in this essay were generated by AI. Now more than ever it's so important that people get proper credit for the things they've made, and that things made by real people are celebrated. Especially because when it comes to cryptids, the viewpoint behind the designs artists choose when drawing them are often just as fun as the art itself!

[@RogueT-Rex8468]

Literally this. It’s so sad that all platforms are becoming infested with AI garbage. Really cheapens the experience. ((Also I love your profile pic- perfection))

[@0852657luis]

I really glad we finally got another episode in this series. I never thought seeing the general's explanation for why he doesn't believe mansley in the iron giant be used so effectively here. I'm actually surprised it has been used as a meme yet.

[@LizardClone2]

22:37 Incorrect. That giant snake like creature Kong fights in the cave is actually supposed to be an Elasmosaurus. An incredibly inaccurate Elasmosaurus, but 1. Its a fantasy movie not a documentary 2. It was 1933. Our view of prehistoric animals has changed greatly since then.

[@anska7475]

Aww, Nessie goes on an annual family holiday? That is kind of endearing.

[@daithiodonnell2825]

I watched The Dinosaur Project after seeing this, and one thing i really dug is how none of the dinosaurs in it look like any real dinosaur. Weird frill-necked large theropods, flightless pterosaurs, strangely flat-headed plesiosaurs. And not a T-Rex to be seen. It may have just been an SFX choice, but it gave a real sense that they'd kept evolving for all these millions of years, which I've never seen in a cryptid film.

[@zekewalker1350]

so what I'm getting about Loch Ness is that its so small and thoroughly explorable that we're more likely to find a lake monster in Lake Michigan...

[@prince-solomon]

They can't even find passenger planes that went down in Lake Michigan a few decades ago...so there you go.

[@salam-peace5519]

My theory about Nessie is that it could be a population of animals that lives or used to live in the North Sea and sometimes one or a few wandered up the river that connects Loch Ness to the sea, got seen there and later returned to the sea, and that is why we don't find anything today. Whales have sometimes been seen swimming up rivers as well. Although it would be difficult today for any animal to pass the river without getting seen because the river has floodgates and flat steps, but they might have been able to pass it earlier in history before the floodgates were built.

[@patriciayeahno4633]

God I love watching someone spend an hour giving a detailed and well researched lecture on a niche topic I never thought to think about

[@timeshark8727]

I half expect someone to find "mokele-mbembe" only for it to be an unusually large, long necked, turtle. There have been some that were over a ton, and the largest known today are about 200 lbs. Imagine the disappointment of the cryptozoologists and the excitement of the actual zoologists if that happened. On part with Ropen being flying foxes rather than pterosaurs. Real scientists would be thrilled with a new species of turtle or bat... cryptozoologists be like "awe man... I wanted dinos... shucks"

[@video-luver769]

Even funnier if it was a species previously believed to be extinct. There was a known species of turtle as large as a car about 10,000 years ago.

[@randallbesch2424]

The closest to dinosaurs are the flightless birds and chickens.

[@timeshark8727]

@@randallbesch2424 I'm afraid that's inaccurate. Birds are an offshoot of theropod dinosaurs, they are all equally close to dinosaurs... being a group of dinosaurs themselves. If you are trying to refer to the oldest extant lineage of birds, then that would be the tinamous birds/ratites and the fowl. There is not just one grouping of "flightless birds". The most popular flightless birds are probably the ratites, but that is a paraphyletic group, so sort of odd to talk about in general terms.

[@wildworld6264]

Wow, just wow. Almost all your videos blow me away, but this was such an amazing piece. Your work is so incredible. I've loved cryptozoology since I was a kid but have grown more and more skeptical as I get older. I like to think of myself as curious but skeptical, curious enough to read into it more but skeptical enough not to believe something until I see hard evidence. I can't express how impressed I am with your work. The stuff about Mr Freeman was tough to listen to, I've been a fan of his books for the past few years and hearing some of his statements and such is pretty sad. Watching this right after Trey's Bigfoot video was kind of a one-two punch to cryptozoology and yet also some of the best cryptid videos I've seen in years. Also, great to see Legendary Cryptids mentioned. That guy is such a legend.

[@EldritchGolem]

Actually the only part of this video I don't like is the 15 minutes dealing with Richard Freeman and the late Bryan Sykes and that is only because I think CCC is being remarkable unfair to them. The issue of Zana has been one that has been circulating within the world of cryptozoology since the mid-1960s when Soviet cryptozoologist Boris Porshnev first reported it. Socialist countries have always been very enthusiastic about cryptozoology among other fringe sciences. The possibility that she may have been a non-human hominid or an extinct species of human (in which case, contrary to what you say here, she would have been able to reproduce with modern humans) was entertained by a lot of people in the field. Even the very skeptical Brian Regal discusses Zana his 2011 book Searching for Sasquatch. But when the Gilbert study was published in 2021, Freeman was among those in the world of cryptozoology to publicly state that the question of Zana's identity was finally "put paid" (as they say in the UK) and that she was undoubtedly human. If Freeman was still claiming Zana was an Almasty after the Gilbert study I could see CCC's point. But the fact of the matter is that even before that in 2018 Freeman traveled to Tajikistan were he personally worked to debunk a case similar to Zana's, the story about which was written up in Fortean Times #373.

[@hurricaneofcats]

@EldritchGolem​ ​While I'm glad to hear that Freeman changed his opinion, I still think that CCC's criticism is valid. What Zana the human being went through was truly sickening, and the fact that it took until 2021 for people to admit that she was human is still very sad to me.Also the fact that her (also 100% human) son's skull was bought and sold to a private collector is equally uncomfortable. I think it is completely valid to question why Sykes, the only person at the time who had access to Khwit's genetic material never actually conducted genetic testing to create his hypothesis. Not actually testing the null hypothesis of 'Zana was homo sapiens' before making a conclusion is just bad science no matter how you look at it. And while within cryptozoology the ancient subtype of Homo sapiens theory may have been popular I'm pretty sure most anthropologists who study human evolution weren't in similar agreement. I guess my point is that no matter how normal these kinds of practices were in the past we can still look at them and say 'yeah, that wasn't ethical or scientifically sound'. I'm not trying to pass moral judgement on Sykes or Freeman here, but they did make very dehumanizing assumptions about Zana and her children. There's something genuinely sad about how people looked at this story and took the 'nonhuman beast' part at face value and never before this considered the possibility that maybe she was a person with a rare form of congenital hypertrichosis and intellectual disability (which was what the study concluded). In the 2021 study the researchers thank the living family of Khwit and Zana's currently living descendants (of whom there are many). Which kind of nails home the point about the real human cost of these inaccurate theories. Zana was a person, and all of a sudden her story isn't fun theory fodder, it's sad and screwed up.

[@EldritchGolem]

​@@hurricaneofcats, it's not that "it took until 2021 for people to admit that [Zana] was human," it's that it took until 2021 for a team of researchers with the expertise, resources, and funding to actually investigate the issue and arrive at a conclusion. Boris Porshnev who first collected Zana's story from the Abkhazian elders back in the late 60s wasn't a geneticist he was a historian. Richard Freeman is also not a geneticist but (as far as I know) an autodidact with an interest in cryptozoology. Brian Sykes was a geneticist but his area of expertise was rare bones diseases not genetic sequencing. If you read Bigfoot, Yeti, and the last Neanderthal (2019), Sykes is very clear that all the testing of the samples he collected were done by people other than himself. He was just interpreting the results. He was also working on a very limited budget as Oxford was not underwriting his research, unlike in the case of the Gilbert study which was paid for by the University of Copenhagen. In fact when Sykes appeared on the skeptical podcast MonsterTalk in 2015 (Ep. 100) he was begging for any listeners who worked in the field of genetics to volunteer to help out with finishing the Zana study because he had run out of money and it was still incomplete; which explains why it was never published in a peer reviewed journal. He also says in that same interview, as he does in his book, that the most likely explanation is the Zana was an enslaved African woman but that based on the data he has he can't be 100% sure about this. Now you can still criticize Porshnev, Freeman, Sykes, and the rest of cryptozoology for, as you say, "taking the 'nonhuman beast' part of Zana's story at face value." I'll admit that when researching/reading the works of cryptozoologists I'm frequently struck by just now incredibly naive their approach to folklore and mythology is. But at the same time I'm not sure that an academically trained folklorist would have necessarily come to the conclusion that Zana was an enslaved African woman either. There are lots of stories about people having sexual relations with all kinds of mythical creatures and plenty of cases where certain people within a society are scapegoated as being the descendants of monsters. I already mentioned the case very similar to Zana's from Tajikistan which Freeman investigated and debunked. Sykes says that what got him interested in cryptids is that when he was researching his book Blood of the Isles (2007) he traveled to a village in Wales were the locals swore up and down that there was a pair of brothers living in town who were neanderthals. In Iran there is a long standing tradition of regarding the Kurds as descendants of human women and male djinn. In all of these cases such allegations appear to have no factual basis and simply serve as a means of ostracizing and othering either specific families in a community or even entire minorities within a country. As a result you can understand why no qualified scientist would think that the story of Zana was worth investigating before 2021. Sykes also mentions this in his 2015 MonsterTalk interview, saying that it took him a long time to find a genetics lab that would even do the preliminary testing on Zana's son's tooth because the second he mentioned that this had something do with Bigfoot-like creatures in the Southern Caucasus he would get the door slammed in his face. Zana's story, as we now understand it, is undeniably tragic but it's also the rarest of cases in cryptozoology, one which actually produced physical evidence that could be tested. This is not the norm in cryptozoology. Cryptozoology is mostly, as CCC so aptly puts it in the beginning of his video, "story curation." Which is exactly what folks like Freeman do and what Porshnev (and admittedly to an extent Sykes) did, they pass on monster lore and help to keep it alive.

[@prince-solomon]

Skeptical does mean that you havn't made up your mind about something yet. Many people who are outright deniers/disbelievers/debunkers call themselves skeptics...which is of course a completely false use of the word. They've already made up their mind, and chose anything that strengthens their belief and ignore any facts which contradict their belief. There is lots of half-truths and active misinformation about many cryptids out there. It takes often a deeper independent look (don't get spoon fed by someone else's opinion which is sold to you as "fact") into a subject matter to realize, that there is much more to it, than is widely known. Bigfoot is the best example. Countless witness reports worldwide that go back many centuries. Reports of a kind of giant hairy humans who can talk, interbreed and in the past traded with humans. Beings who have abilities that go beyond anything materialistic atheistic mainstream considers part of its dogmatic worldview, which they equal with objective reality. I was surprised how the public is completely ignorant of 99,9% of the information surrounding the Bigfoot beings. You can do your own research, or copy someone else's easy opinion that suits you and remain ignorant... your choice.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@hurricaneofcats they are hypotheses not theories.

[@kj7067]

The outro music is sheer gold. Also, fascinating video! I particularly appreciated your treatment of the story of Zana, horrifying as it was.

[@altothex9648]

People will see a new upload from Cold Crash Pictures and be like "Hell Yeah"

[@hyalina7098]

this is true! source: i am ‘people’

[@SunnyMorningPancakes]

Yes. If only KZbin would remember I am subscribed so that it shows me.

[@synthgal1090]

hell yeah

[@toriagalaxy1566]

True story 🫡

[@lararys7765]

Literally me

[@jliller]

As someone with an avid interest in cryptids and UFOs growing up, I think supernatural creatures should be in an adjacent but separate category from cryptids. If Sasquatch and Nessie are real, they are tangible, physical, and non-magical. Flying saucers piloted by space aliens is simply extremely advanced technology. In contrast, folklore creatures like werewolves or the Jersey Devil essentially require magic. Ghosts basically throw our understanding of physics out the window.

[@Manakuuchiha]

It's so weird to me that cryptozoology includes creatures like the flatwoods monster, which the going theory last I checked was... An interdimensional being.

[@jliller]

@@Manakuuchiha A one-time sighting no less. Which of course was probably just a big owl and overactive imaginations.

[@randallbesch2424]

The Jersey Devil might but werewolves don't need to. And you are talking about MAGICK which is science by other means. Not stage craft. The whole Phenomenon is the same just different symbology whether faeries or aliens or angels even ghost might be too. They are real until they are not. Similar to tulpas only created by a massive non-human intelligence interested in our minds.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@jliller that is the easiest way to hand wave it away.

[@CosmicamsCanvasCurse]

18:52 "Maybe it's a baby!" "You think there's also a Nessie Baby?"

[@randallbesch2424]

If they are real animals and not molecular creations of an intelligent force to mess with our heads.

[@mlgodzilla4206]

I honestly want a cryptid movie about Mapinguari. A giant ground sloth that lives in the Amazon is something I wish was true

[@manospondylus4896]

Given how it‘s, well, a sloth, I don‘t think there would be much action

[@randallbesch2424]

@@manospondylus4896 a giant sloth larger than a grizzly.

[@dataexpunged4784]

​@@manospondylus48965 Ice Age movies would disagree with you

[@gaberhodes5563]

you are seriously my favorite channel on youtube, and saurian cinema is such an incredible series. i’m so happy it’s back. last time you uploaded an entry to the series i was at a very different point in my life. this series brings me comfort. thank you for continuing it!!!

[@saychaysarchive7065]

I'm new here. Seen the thumbnail a few times in the last couple of days. Decided to give it a watch because of that. The video is great, but you know what? "They published the study!" >Throws papers at the camera. Ad break immediately< You've got yourself a new subscriber for that, my guy.

[@kevincraigmile7340]

Baby-Secret of the Lost Legend was the first film I saw in the cinema with friends and without adults🙂 We enjoyed it. Then snuck into the last half of Return of the Jedi😅

[@fetusdeletus9266]

You know what gets me about these cryptozoology films is that they could go so many different ways with these cryptids but they almost always either make them bloodthirsty monsters or friendly woodland (or lakeborne) creatures which drives me nuts. The only one who didn’t do that that I’ve seen was Trollhunter which is this amazing found footage mockumentary about Trolls from Scandinavian mythology and although it’s a bit supernatural at times it manages to be genuinely unnerving and scary at times because it doesn’t portray the Trolls as anything but animals.

[@randallbesch2424]

Trolls are never portrayed as animals being mutant humanlike beings.

[@fetusdeletus9266]

@@randallbesch2424 mutants of what? They aren’t humans in any way and only look slightly human, they don’t even act remotely human in any way whatsoever.

[@pigsquatch65mya80]

The best cryptid media isn't about people going out to look for cryptids. It's about people who are not looking for cryptids but encounter one anyway. For me, the stories are more interesting than the plausibility. None of these are movies but I'm a huge fan of the show Monsters & Mysteries In America, the Small Town Monsters specials on Amazon Prime, and of course the Monsters Among Us podcast.

[@robertborland5083]

1:10:10 I believe that is supposed to be a dinoceratan mammal like Uintatherium or Eobasileus based on the six paired horns on the head & tusks of the large mammal.

[@awaskycromslack3533]

Thank you so much for introducing me to Incident at Loch Ness. What a delight that movie is. I love all the satire of Herzog-from him telling the documentarians to stop filming such banalities, to saying he’s been on one or two difficult shoots (no shit), to being disappointed he filmed the actual Nessy because that’s way less interesting to him than peoples beliefs. Wonderful film.

[@samueldavidbatistaruiz7510]

just i case, in the Scoby Doo film, there is a scene at the end were the true Nessie is seen on the water of the lake.

[@rominachavez445]

I haven't rushed so fast to see a video ever

[@alexandraw1001]

There are Dinosaurs still living .... they are called birds😂 .

[@randallbesch2424]

Neornithes survived the Chicxulub meteorites out of all of them. Why none of the little dinos didn't survive still puzzles me to this day.

[@albioncia]

Indonesian here, ourang pendek is basically a reverse sasquatch. Sasquatch is big and tall while ourang pendek is small

[@Rossatron]

One of my fave series! A dream project of mine is to remake The Valley of Gwanji, but with a semi-hollow earth/crust plot to better explain how they have survived.

[@randallbesch2424]

i would use a twist in dimensions plot where the region can only be reached by a fold in the dimensional plenum like a hidden room just resides in another dimension. Totally protected from earth changes.

[@oliviadarler9979]

The fact your movie wall is in alphabetical order makes me so happy

[@The-Lonely-Lighthouse]

There's a lot of comments, so I apologize if these are beaten bushes but I wanted to get two tidbits of information. - The Last Dinosaur's special effects were done by Tsuburaya Productions, who are most well known for their work in the Ultraman TV series with these sort of effects. The suit for the T. rex was in fact used for another series right after the film was made, Dinosaur War Izenborg if you'd want to see more of it in action! - I appreciated your skepticism when it came to the entire pitch of living cryptids, along with showing more examples of how too often in the study of unknown animals folks take too much at face value to "prove" the existence of unknown creatures rather than the more set methods of other scientific expeditions. If you want something that's got a little more weight to it, there was a zoologist that was doing a series for National Geographic and was actually able to prove a "cryptid," that the Zanzibar Island Leopard wasn't actually extinct and caught it on film in a pretty firm and undeniable way. It's no Bigfoot or Nessie, but I think that helped out some.

[@mrgodzilla7110]

Your talking about Extinct or Alive!

[@enzob9793]

Unfortunately I believe that guy (who is known Forrest Gallante) partakes in parachute science. Where he takes pre-existing discoveries and tries to pass them off as his own. It’s mentioned in his Wikipedia page I believe. There’s also a recent supposed living thylacine photo he discusses that admittedly looks pretty convincing, but you can tell it looks awkward and fake.

[@enzob9793]

Also, Extinct or Alive was produced by Hot Snakes Media for Animal Planet, not Nat Geo. Just to clear things up

[@randallbesch2424]

@@enzob9793 he is a thief not scientist.

[@natsmith303]

Even when I'm not looking for Doctor Who, it finds me nonetheless.

[@SparkyUpstart]

I think it says a lot about the mindset behind some of the cryptozoology-led films that, when Max starts ranting about how the sheriff just has to open his mind (45:10), it sounds distressingly similar to people in Faith films telling the non-believer that they just gotta consider maybe there is a Jesus. Also, A+ French accent!

[@7outof10]

24:31 "none of this is my original research" we truly live in a post Hbomberguy youtube

[@theslimcreeper3779]

In the case of Nessy. It even matters, if we are talking about ONE specimen (like Nessy) or a whole population. Because I always hear just about that ONE Loch Ness Monster. And given, when the first Story's appeared, when the first "photograph" appeared and the time that has passed since than... Well even IF there was a Nessy. Chances are... She'd be quite dead now and there is just no more Loch Ness Monster. Also No Bones, no other Remains, no nesting grounds, nothing. I mean at some point, you'd have to give up or come up with other ridiculous reasons, why there still could be one.

[@randallbesch2424]

I would say that such creatures are parabiological and temporary since there is little in the way of food in that cold turgid water.

[@daniel6678]

I unironically appreciate your inclusion of the Scooby-Doo Loch Ness movie alongside the other Nessie cinema

[@1heKing]

the ending stinger always got me

[@JadeFoxAlpha]

Fantastic video. "Just because you can tell it's an effect, doesn't mean it's a bad effect," is such a great summation of something I've tried to describe myself so many times.

[@kevinnorwood8782]

I actually really enjoyed the 1996 Loch Ness film. The creature effects were kind of sub-par, but the story itself was actually pretty sweet and heartwarming. And I was very pleased with its ending, where the scientist decides to deliberately keep Nessie’s existence a secret so he doesn’t lose his romantic interest.

[@Icepick614]

One of my favorite KZbin series at this point. Love the quality content as always

[@jakemitchell9853]

Oh, I giggled so at the catapult, bullfrog, and mic drop ending. Wonderful as ever, dude.

[@unclemogi]

I like how the The Last Dinosaur is literally sampling the Godzilla roars

[@stanley5745]

Incredible video, I was so thrilled by every new direction this took. I remember a lot of these arguments and 'evidence' from books and documentaries when I was younger, and I definitely bought into some of them at the time. It's so refreshing to see cryptozoology discussed and criticised in such an insightful way, and combined with great film history and analysis too.

[@dumbarsesoriginal]

I remember a movie from a long time ago when i was a kid, and its two people talking, they turn to the shore and theres a plesiosaur on the beach, dead, I've tried to find that shot for years and years, thinking I had just made it up, but I now think it was beneath loch ness, the shot isnt exactly what i remembered but its basically that scene, i remember nothing else from that movie, thanks for reigniting a lost memory by using the only shot i remember lol

[@randallbesch2424]

in the film "When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth" has great stop-motion work including a beached plesiosaur.

[@chompypuppy1]

I was just thinking about you yesterday! So happy this is another Saurian Cinema entry. Now I have to send it to everyone I know! Keep up the filmmaking! Always a joy to experience

[@tonyhlista8151]

Dude the last dinosaur brought so much nostalgia for me watched it all the time as a kid

[@etevenatkowicz9745]

Jurassic park the lost world has such a killer soundtrack. Great choice

[@Maxops500]

controversial take but beyond the main theme I think it beats out the score of the original by a long shot

[@etevenatkowicz9745]

Agreed

[@alisonjane7068]

8:55 i work at a bookstore, was pulling orders just yesterday, and, you guessed it, this exact book was one of the orders.

[@markmoodywv]

Ive always been a huge fan of The Dinosaur Project. It's probably my favorite cryptid film. Didn't even remember the part where the gov official reveals she knew about the Dinos. CRAZY!

[@frodobaggins4794]

i love all of your videos, but the editing for this one is top-notch. well done!

[@eadonnlawrence9934]

The Tasmanian Tiger isn’t a cryptic. The last one died in captivity in the 1930s. You showed an actual picture of one.

[@callmeginga]

It is a cryptid purely insofar as the idea that there's a remnant population out there and that they aren't extinct.

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

Extinct animals can be cryptids if there are reported sightings of living ones, since by logical deduction any extinct animal cannot be spotted alive. How can an animal species that is no longer living suddenly be seen alive? That's the CRYPTIc part of what makes some extinct animals like the Tasmanian tiger or dinosaurs CRYPTIds.

[@Truthisscarierthanfiction]

While I wouldn't consider the coelacanth a cryptid (there were no widespread reports of it before its discovery), Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer who found it did later join the international society of cryptozoology

[@randallbesch2424]

The fishermen who caught it and ate it knew of it as a common fish.

[@wildtom3076]

Finally, another Saurian Cinema episode!

[@ColtSteele]

Thanks for bringing The Last Dinosaur back from the depths of my memory. I was very young when I saw it so the rubber kaiju suits didn't put me off, but the thing about it that made the most lasting impression after the fight with the Triceratops was a kinda bad matte painting shot where the surviving humans look out over the floor of a valley housing what I thought was the sum total of the Rex's victims, pretty much carpeting the entire valley floor. It gave little me chills even though the shot made my imagination do all the heavy lifting.

[@JerkyD]

Hooray for the Darren Naish quote (7:50)! He's 1 of my favorite authors :) I especially love "Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved" (the best adult intro to the whole story of dinos) & "Dinopedia: A Brief Compendium of Dinosaur Lore" (the best adult guide to dinos & their cultural impact since the 1970s).

[@pinkopansy]

Re: Zana. I can absolutely see the "monstrous" descriptions simply coming from a place of extreme racism and anti-Blackness. Even a woman with thicker body hair than some folks are used to.

[@salam-peace5519]

An idea I had about Nessie is that maybe this is a population of animals that actually lives in the North Sea, and from time to time some individuals swam up the river into Loch Ness, got seen there and later swam back to the sea. This would both explain why we never found anything there and also how these animals could end up in a lake that only formed 10,000 years ago. Maybe we simply searched in the wrong place. Loch Ness is only 10 km away from the sea connected by a river. Although this river has some steps and floodgates nowadays, which would be difficult to pass for a large marine animal without getting seen. But maybe these animals swam up the river earlier in history when the floodgates weren't there. Whales have been seen swimming up rivers in some places, they can survive in freshwater for a while, so it could be possible for a marine reptile or unknown whale species that some individuals swam up the river as well, maybe in search of food, and then swam back. Interestingly, the North Sea has another pretty unknown cryptid called the U-28 creature. While the U-28 creature was described to be more crocodile-like, a possible idea is that Nessie and the U-28 creature could be the same population of North Sea creatures, either a relic population of marine reptiles (maybe pliosaurs), or possibly more likely, an unknown species of whale. If this is a surviving relic population of prehistoric animals, there is also a possibility that their population also declined due to human activity. This is also a possibility for bigfoot and why there isn't more footage of it. Maybe the bigfoot species used to be more common in pre-columbian times but its numbers declined later, possibly due to introduced diseases, and maybe the few remaining bigfoots are trying to hide from humanity as much as possible. Also I think for bigfoot the theory of it being a surviving early hominid species fits better than the gigantopithecus theory, because a lot of descriptions of it in native american folklore describe them more like human-like tribes than wild animals. A place that I'm surprised hasn't got more attention in cryptozoology, including movies, is the island of Papua New Guinea. It has so many unexplored dense jungles, there are actually many uncontacted tribes in the jungles and mountains as well, there could easily be unknown animal species hiding in these vast unexplored jungles as well. A relic population of non-avian dinosaurs in the jungles of Papua New Guinea is actually a fascinating idea, would also be interesting as a movie idea.

[@randallbesch2424]

Unknown species and those thought extinct have been found and rediscovered constantly.

[@undeadreader23]

There is a copypasta text that reminds me of cryptids - 'Paleontologists agree that the T-rex had a lovely singing voice because it's not like it's going to hurt anyone to say it did' - So who cares if Bigfoot or Nessie don't exist, I still believe in them, and I hope they believe in me too.

[@d3in0nychu5]

The creature in “The Last Dinosaur” you couldn’t identify appears to be a Uintatherium.

[@CosmicamsCanvasCurse]

We're making it out of winter depression with this one, boys

[@cheesechimp7252]

35:48 wait, what do you mean The Dinosaur Project didn't get a home video release in the US? A relative or family friend gave me a DVD copy of it (long enough ago that I forget who and under what circumstances) and I still have it shrink wrapped on my shelf.

[@RogueT-Rex8468]

Yeah. I saw that at Walmart… in the five dollar bin. I ignored because of its cover 😢😢😢

[@mjrtaurus2714]

The idea of a self-aware mockumentary is probably one of the best ideas I've ever heard.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

1:05:33 to be fair in Godzilla's case it lead into a pretty good children's cartoon.

[@randallbesch2424]

The 1990's version was more young adult than the 1980's HB version.

[@jliller]

Ultimately, cryptozoologists usually fall into the same fallacy as conspiracy theorists: they see every witness (and all oral history) as reliable, especially if they themselves are a witness. They don't understand or believe that intelligent, responsible, honest people can simply be mistaken about their observations and memories.

[@randallbesch2424]

Conspiracy mongers fits most of them.

[@Espartanica]

Same fallacy as monotheistic religions taking the word of other people as their entire proof to claim their God is all powerful and thus better than all other religions

[@rayreineu]

This is a delightful video in so many ways but I do also want to say thank you for acknowledging Zana was a human being and treated like an oddity or monster. That poor woman!

[@NTJ1984]

As for the Tasmanian Tiger, there's evidence that the species might still be alive. Check it out, it's becoming very interesting.

[@heavysystemsinc.]

Youd think cryptids would be more common in weird bugs and worms and such. I feel like i find a mythical creature when i just run across a surface crawling grubworm.

[@fisheyenomiko]

I know what you mean! I didn't see fireflies until I was well into adulthood, and it kinda blew my mind... (-:

[@EphemeralTao]

My favorite cryptid movie is definitely _Incident at Loch Ness_ . Werner Herzog is brilliant in it, and really shows his subtly demented sense of humour and self-parody; and Zak Penn is absolutely hilarous. The DVD commentary is brilliant, Penn and Herzog are in character the entire time. It's kind of the _Spinal Tap_ of monster movies. It's interesting to trace the history of many cryptid and similar phenomena. You can definitely see a cause-and-effect in many of them. Like how UFO and extra-terrestrial alien sightings only started after science-fiction books and films started portraying them; and the depiction of these aliens varied hugely until _Close Encounters of the Third Kind_ cemented the "Greys" as the default archetype. Even more interesting, if you trace the "Greys" back far enough, you can see very similar depictions in pre-Industrial sightings of "elves" and other supposedly supernatural beings.

[@randallbesch2424]

They were faeries and witches and God's fiery chariots long before that.

[@GreasusGoldtooth]

You know, even if the woman in question had actually been a sasquatch, that wouldn't make what the locals did to her any less horrible.

[@wren4811]

I just found your channel, but the "that was my dog walking away" made me love you, so wholesome you're great

[@danieloloan8525]

38:40 Not sure where you got this figure from, but it's extremely untrue. According to Wikipedia, the Congo river discharges up to 75, 000 cubic metres of water per second. The volume of loch ness is 7.4 cubic kilometres - i.e. 7,400,000,000 cubic metres (7.4 X (10^3)^3). So at peak flow, the Congo River could fill up Loch Ness roughly once every 10^5 = 100,000 seconds - just less than once a day. I think Loch Ness is slightly bigger than you give it credit for!

[@vatofdread1468]

I’d like to see a movie based on the Partridge Creek Monster. I’ll admit that it may not even be a cryptid (it’s a story by Dupuy) but the image of an all black saurian prowling a frigid landscape is one that makes my imagination stir. Hell, I’m thinking about a Lost World story set in Canada during the last days of the Gold Rush.

[@lordcuddlebuttz3336]

RIGHT?? as a fellow Canadian, i would love a Partridge Creek Monster film! Especially now that we know that Dinosaurs did live up in Canada’s northern frozen tundra, it would make sense to make the monster a Nanuqsaurus! Canada has such a rich paleontological history of Dinosaurs, it would be really cool to do a Canadian Lost World style film!

[@vatofdread1468]

@@lordcuddlebuttz3336 wow. I’m glad that someone shares my enthusiasm for such an idea. There is technically a lost world in that area. I forget it’s real name, but it’s called the Headless Valley. Most people who ventured there came back headless, if at all. Point is, I can see an ancient creature living there.

[@3n3my33]

You're absolutely right about that poster, the thumbnail is the whole reason I clicked on this video. Extremely cool. Also, this video is fantastic! I was not expecting it to be so insightful and educational. It's a crime this doesn't have more views.

[@ashleyvictoriahorvat7957]

What a fantastic video to come back to! I used to get these cryptid cards in the mail as a kid, they featured really cool illustrations and basic stats for each creature. They ranged from things like Tasmanian tigers to Nessie, even the Minotaur, so this video was such a wonderful treat to see on my for you page!

[@District9Prawn]

I got those as well! I think they were called Weird n Wild.

[@GamaScythe]

I've seen professional scientist who treat what you'd call 'real science' the same way you just described cryptozoologist in the opening. Not saying you're wrong about the classic creatures, I just find the skeptic's "it's so bloody obvious and you'd be some sort of idiot to think other wise," is the very attitude that makes the 'skeptics' come off as jerks and that makes the 'believers' even more reluctant to hear reason. It's like politics at this point, the only way you can successfully talk about it on either end is to take the smug out of it.

[@randallbesch2424]

You describe a debunker not a skeptic.

[@jonathanernst98]

That felt personal when he said " found by WHITE people off the coast of South Africa 5:35 " dam, are we more of a shock then the living fossil 😅 ( I'm white and never left the African continent in my life)

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

He's a racist.

[@cornflakes-does-stuff]

this series of videos is always such a treat and every installiation has been amazing, this one no exception

[@madtheorist1856]

Totally missed this despite it being right up my alley. Great video and look forward to checking some of these out

[@guillaumebabey4484]

Not gonna lie, the political digression was close of breaking the deal for me, but I understand and sympathise with the reasons for adressing the more questionnable and unsavory side of cryptozoology. Solid video though I feel like we've just barely scratched the surface of the topic.

[@Hades1100]

Yeah, I was enjoying the video, and then a political diatribe comes right out of nowhere.

[@randallbesch2424]

It is necessary to to not allow bad things like sexism and worse be part of science.

[@makingmediamatter]

This was so well researched and put together, so much more than just a video essay on dinosaur movies. This one definitely helped shine a light on the cryptozoology field, on colonialism, and on the weird origins of so many tall tales. I love this channel sm and this video only confirmed that further!

[@qrfarchaeology9391]

No it isn't. He mentioned "high def webcams" of loch ness and said they didn't show anything when the reality is that some viewers have seen a some interesting things on at least one of the webcams, shared them, but the webcam is far from 4k (because data storage and cameras that actually get good video are expensive). I'm just 12 minutes in and this video is angry garbage.

[@michaelhenderson6786]

“Enthusiastic skeptic” I like that term. I don’t blame skeptics, especially ones like this. I was (and mostly still am) one of them. But once you experience something truly bizarre, that you thought was impossible, things begin to change. I am still skeptical of most cryptids, but one of them really forced me to have a more open mind. But I will leave it at that. I loved this video! Thanks for the deep dive into cryptid films!!

[@lythnookwemin]

With dna analysis of the waters of Lock ness, Nessie is an eel. Well more likely the sightings are different animals , but I like to think a school of eels is getting misidentified while looking for a serpent. Fun fact, most the 'big foot' Native American names are actually names for different people or giants. So yeah most the bigfoot stuff is just about people. There are also bears being identified as Big Foot. But people will see what they want, not always what is actually there. This was a fun video to watch, thanks for uploading.

[@randallbesch2424]

Giant 100ft eels.