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[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

Can yous please react to necrit riot mmo video please?

[@tanner1158]

Can u guys react to red hood vs winter soldier death battle

[@kolat10]

that sword was in no way normal...its legendary and some...elves in lord of the rings are old as they are immortal...literally over 20k easy

[@Lughrochben]

Narsil, the sword that cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, was not actually a regular sword. It was forged by Telchar, the famed Dwarven-smith of Nogrod, during the First Age (essentially the high fantasy period of Middle-Earth). It's knifemate was Angrist, famous for being used by the legendary Beren (Aragorn's and Elrond's ancestor) to remove a Silmaril from the Iron Crown of Morgoth while he was asleep and wearing it.

[@franciscoOrellana29]

I thought that the cut finger with the ring of Sauron was not canon or did not happen in the book?

[@tyforestreacts]

@@franciscoOrellana29 I'm... fairly certain the cut still happened? But it wasn't over after that. Sauron went on to face two other powerful dudes, a battle that ended with those two dead and Sauron how we see him in the movies. A bit oversimplified (as well as going off of shaky memory), but I think that's what happened in the books.

[@Lughrochben]

@@franciscoOrellana29 I don't remember honestly. What I've looked at says it was the one that cut the Ring, but I haven't actually sat down and read the books in awhile so I don't know 100%. Even if that part is wrong, Narsil is still the sword wielded by King Elendil during that battle, and it was broken during the fight with Sauron directly.

[@HB-fq9nn]

@@franciscoOrellana29 In the book, it just says that Sauron was “overthrown”, but we don’t know how. Only after his defeat was The One Ring taken by Isildur.

[@halocrafter300]

Pretty sure Sauron’s physical form in Barad Dur is noted as having only 9 fingers.

[@SwordlordRoy]

If it helps: they left out one of Sauron's greatest accomplishments...he won a magical singing contest with The Elf Lord himself, Finrod Felagund (who was disguised as an orc at the time)!

[@Dont_know_what_to_name_it]

DAMM THE NERFED HIM SO BAD HE COULD SING TO LICH TO DEATH

[@multiverse_media2023]

Wait, that happened!?

[@thepaladinauthoryoutube]

To explain this one, Tolkien was inspired by old legends and myth, especially considering how Middle-Earth was sung into existence. Magic casting and song in words of power are practically synonymous, so it's basically saying that Sauron was able to mentally and spiritually contend with one of the mightiest mortals in existence, even when the power Finrod was drawing on was in a purer form.

[@roxtechs]

Classic Professor Tolkien

[@SuperboyLilly]

Sauron has more screen time here than he does in the movies.

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

wow what an original comment

[@SuperboyLilly]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 Woah, another original comment.

[@calebgoodman3028]

@@SuperboyLilly To be fair, they never made a movie of the book that gave him screen-time.

[@CyberDalek17]

The Track to this battle goes Hard, even the name "One King to Rule Them All" is so good

[@sokratikas]

Also about the "regular sword". Someone else pointed out in the comments that it was made in the first age by his greatest Dwarven smith of the time,it was a very powerful artifact. What I want to say instead is that the elves in LOTR actually made the most potent artifacts in the setting with their magic and craftsmanship. Feanor who was in general the greatest smith of the whole setting made the simarils,which are stones that contain the light of the trees of valinor,baisically they contain the energy of countless stars. And the sister blade of narsil was able to cut one out from morgoth crown. So yeah,it's reforging by the elves is nothing to sleep on

[@madmintentertainment6268]

So, Frostmourne has canonically broken in the face of greater power, the ring hasnt which is what I think they were going for here

[@greyworld6242]

This death battle did more for these two characters then there own respective franchises. The shadow lands and the rings of power.

[@catneko6855]

Sauron DID take a literal SLAP from god and lived.

[@multiverse_media2023]

No one can stop Sauron. He is a villain that Palpatine, Belos and even Darkseid cannot outmatch. Only one who can defeat Sauron is the brave and strong king Aragorn, and the most unlikely thing imaginable, Elijah Wood.

[@SalaComMander]

For the record, they did specify that Frostmourne has been destroyed before, so even though it's much more powerful than Isildur's sword, it's significantly less durable than the One Ring.

[@danielwilson8604]

it's how he died in canon

[@jasmeetsingh1401]

Frostmourne shattered bcuz of asbringer which had a core of a naaru within it, which is like a god

[@danielwilson8604]

@@jasmeetsingh1401 which means sauron and his ring would likely compare

[@jasmeetsingh1401]

@@danielwilson8604 unlikely bcuz the sword and the helm were forged by one of the gods of death

[@t5hammer871]

@@jasmeetsingh1401 yes and gods in Wow can easily be killed. Bring a big enough blade and u can. Titans and Demons are an example of this. Sauron and the ring are literally indestructible unless obliterated fundamentally

[@roxtechs]

Honestly the best things about this fight aside from seeing Sauron fight more here than he did in the movies is learning the lore of these two fighters!

[@ghostfang1255]

Sauron VS Lich King is like Thanos vs Darkseid. Arthas Menethil needed Frostmourne and the Litch King's armor to be a god, meanwhile Sauron was basically already one.

[@freddymcshreddy6586]

Even his big scary armour isn’t really too special it’s just one of his many forms he chooses to take.

[@HB-fq9nn]

This has officially become my favourite battle of Season 9 so far. Magneto vs Tetsuo held that title for a while, but this battle blew my mind! It’s everything I could have wanted from The Lord of the Rings himself! It’s also really nice to learn about Arthas the Lich King, since I’ve never played World of Warcraft.

[@zacharyfrierson6972]

Same. I knew literally nothing about Arthas aside from his name, appearance, and what series he's from.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

You guys never played Warcraft 3? You guys have lived under a rock, I know about lord of the rings and warcraft at a young age, they were all household names to fiction fantasy lovers.

[@crcoghill]

Eh~ personally not topping Ganondorf vs Dracula or Balrog vs TJ Combo. It's good but not great.

[@HB-fq9nn]

@@crcoghill I was talking about Season 9 specifically.

[@thisisanickname231]

@@crcoghill 'This has become my favorite battle of season 9' is right there, there's not even an (edit) bro.

[@Charle4217]

22:07 Jesus Christ, bottom phrase almost made me spit my milkshake *"interned at Blizzard in 2017"*

[@filipvadas7602]

Didn't expect them to reference the Hearthstone skits, but here we are

[@multiverse_media2023]

LOL Damn it, Blizzard! Thank Gandalf I didn’t join the internship during 2017. 😂

[@laughingskull4362]

Trust me Narsil Is Not a regular sword

[@deadeye4047]

Narsil, Isildur's blade is among the strongest blades ever created by mortal hands. When Narsil was reforged as Anduil by the Elves, I doubt Frostmourn would withstand the sheer durability of Anduil.

[@shastacat9632]

dwarven* hands

[@deadeye4047]

@@shastacat9632 are Dwarves not mortal, or is it important to be so particular?

[@shastacat9632]

@@deadeye4047 kind of, the entire purpose of mortals not being allowed into the undying lands is because it is too perfect and unchanging there and would ruin a mortal, dwarves do age in middle earth but when they "die" they go to the undying lands and stay with aule always trying to achieve absolute perfection in their craft. So basically anything made by elves or dwarves is absolutely beyond any mortals ability to craft even for the numenoreans.

[@zacharyfrierson6972]

This was an awesomely fitting DB for both.

[@multiverse_media2023]

And for Lord of the Rings.

[@misterwhalrus7334]

Shame Sauron was not portrayed accurately, as Tolkien states he became a 'Half-power', using the ring to tap into his fallen masters power he dispersed into the world which made Him so dangerous. Basically the ring gives you cheatcodes to command all the matter of the Earth to his will, to do as he pleases

[@HB-fq9nn]

We kind of saw that in this battle. They mentioned Sauron could create country-spanning earthquakes and conjure massive storms. They also mentioned that Sauron could make a volcano erupt through willpower alone, which he demonstrated in the animation.

[@samuelclayhills3298]

The sword that Sauron breaks there would at minimum be a mithril sword so it aint regular.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

No, just enchanted steel. But definitely not regular no.

[@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere]

@@matthewbreytenbach4483 i thought it was blessed by god or something

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere No, just First-Age dwarven craftsmanship as far as I'm aware.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere Cool name by the way.

[@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere]

@@matthewbreytenbach4483 thanks

[@generalawing]

Reaction starts at 8:33

[@nathanaelmetzger9042]

Thx

[@aliamvickersfan2388]

Thanks Caleb

[@brickleskeetle77]

King 💯

[@matthewelliott7294]

Thanks Caleb

[@highfivedog2336]

You dropped this 👑

[@yamazakirealityvtubech.]

Someone is going to be pissed about the next one..... Also I want to see AFO in a death battle

[@SebasTian58323]

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

[@multiverse_media2023]

"This is the one ring, forged by the Dark Lord Sauron, in the fires of Mount Doom."

[@Shiftry87]

19:00 Its important to point out that we never actually defeat the Lich King in Wotlk. He kicks the shit out of us and lore wise this was even the Lich kings plan from the start to force an elite team of caracters to fight him that he can then resurrect as the greatest undead champions ever other then the Lich king himself. At the end of that fight we dident kill him, he killed all of us and was about to resurrect us as undead champions. The only reson we survived that is becouse Tyrian managed to break free and catch the Lich king unaware. We lost the battle vs the Lich king.

[@Alexanderthegreat159]

33:06 That is NOT a regular sword. It's arguably one of the greatest swords of the first stage and those were capable of cutting "angels" like morgoth. So yeah not even remotely normal. Narsil may not be the greatest sword but it's one bad m***********. I'm not even going to talk about gurthang, the sword of Turin torambar, a man, who is said to be the one to kill morgoth in the dagor daggeroth.

[@ErisEntropy]

They neglected to mention that when Arthas defeated Illidan, he had yet to unite with Ner'zhul. Arthas had been traveling with Frostmourne and waging war on the Alliance, the Quel'dorei and Nathrezim for weeks. He was exhausted, and without his soul and yet to have taken the frozen throne, he was dying. I still think Sauron is a bit too powerful for him, but Arthas has some incredible feats in his own right.

[@koreancowboy42]

Yeah but even then Arthas even united with Ner'Zhul would've had difficulties fighting Sauron. When Sauron's very powerful in both necromancy and control and other things, if you've watched the hobbit, the necromancer that was in Dul Goldur the old fortress of sorcery. And that Sauron disguising as the necromancer was raising the dead and also personally seeing that the north was claimed to re raise the ancient kingdom of Angmar. The ring can never be destroyed and Saurons entirety life and powers are stored within the ring. The ring even if someone like Arthas does take it and put it on, he would never be able to obtain the power of Sauron. Due to its only ever allowed Invisibility and lasting long life. However it was a tough fight

[@ErisEntropy]

@@koreancowboy42 I definitely agree with most of your points. I wasn't saying they used a weaker version of Arthas for the battle, just that they didn't acknowledge that Arthas' feats were majorly accomplished when he was severely weakened as opposed to at full strength. I actually haven't seen/watched most of the LoTR or Hobbit movies, but I have read into the Silmarillion a bit, and I know generally how powerful Sauron is. I firmly believe that Arthas would stand no chance. Even without the ring. AS for if Arthas got the ring, I do believe that he could wield it quite effectively,. Don't forget that Frodo offered Gandalf and Galadriel the ring, and they both spoke of how they would rule. It seems clear, to me at least, that they would unleash its power, even if not to the extent that Sauron can.

[@CloneCommanderCrater1102]

​@DisKaiDed Arthas could use the ring, but over time, it would control him and Sauron would still win. The manipulations of the ring are one of the most powerful things and cannot be resisted by ANYONE.

[@ErisEntropy]

@@CloneCommanderCrater1102 Though I worded it weirdly, I actually said before that I think Arthas had no chance, but I've since changed my mind. Of course, it would manipulate him, twisting his ambition and hubris but the ring's corruption and degradation occurs over time. If Arthas acquires it during the battle then he may have a chance to win, but he'll have to finish things quickly. Not because of the ring's corruption, but because Sauron is just normally on a much higher level than Arthas and could kill him just as fast. He is literally a god.

[@catxborsuq1]

While I agree that Sauron would win, I have few problems with their analysis and battle, as a massive nerd of both Tolkien's Legendarium and Warcraft. - They made Sauron instant respawn. Two times he lost his physical form, it took him hundreds of years to rebuild it. One could argue that he left his body before it was destroyed; when fighting Luthien and Huan, he was prepared to do the same, and Luthien told him he would have to flee to his master like a shadow and bear his mockery naked. Meaning he can't just instant respawn. - They claim Sauron had thousands of years of experience. He had experience COMMANDING ARMIES. Actual combat? Confirmed two times, once against Luthien and Huan, which he lost, and against Elendil and Gil-Galad, which ended with all 3 of them dying. In the books Isildur just cut the finger from Sauron's corpse. (Which The Lich King would have done too, take a trophy from Sauron's corspe; in the game, when you kill him, his loot table consists of weapons he had taken from the opponents he had defeated throught Warcraft 3) - Also they took way too much from movies and games. To be fair, books don't give too much to go by, but it seems Sauron fights bare handed actually. Also he has no power to "absorb the souls". Nothing in Middle-Earth has that power. Souls of Children of Iluvatar, unless they linger in Middle-earth due to a curse or something, go to the West (with human souls going further into an unkown place, elven souls stay in Valinor and in time come back to life in renewed bodies), not even Sauron's master Morgoth had the power to change that.

[@robertcurley8406]

26:26 Boomstick: only one thing could take him down, a 25 man raid team of the best nerds World of Warcraft servers had to offer, and that one guy who was just there because he was friends with somebody, but damn he sucked Nate: LEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEENKIIIIINS! Ah yes, men of culture

[@joshnunya324]

Sauron isn't even top dog, he's just a fiery dark fallen angel

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

tbf he surpassed his master in intelligence, dominance even with a much weaker army, and he ruled way more than morgoth. Morgoth was a powerhouse with an unstoppable army of balrogs and dragons, but he was a coward and a pretty bad strategist that screwed up time and time again. In the first age he even was captured for thousands of years so sauron had to take care of his realm while in captivity.

[@joshnunya324]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 I didn't know the lore, I just went off what they said

[@hugo-pg5tv]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 Morgoth had like 1000× stronger enemies than sauron ever had. Morgoth was smart enough to corrupt ainur lmao sauron biggest manipulation feat is trolling the numenorians and trolling the elves. Morgoth got captured by valar ffs too.

[@shastacat9632]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 he did not surpass his master in intelligence, morgoth was not just a powerhouse but was smarter then all the other valar but he was not the strongest of them, when tulkis got fed up with morgoths schemes he just ran up on him and shoved him into his gym locker

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Huh, interesting, will look forward to the next one.

[@chillwill2918]

I knew Sauron would win.

[@-.DIO.-]

Incorrect. The sword Sauron broke was not normal. At all. It was in fact a legendary weapon.

[@multiverse_media2023]

It was made out of Mithril, the most powerful and mystical form of metal ever. Sauron may have broken the sword, but it’s magic cannot be shattered.

[@kolat10]

that elven sword is no regular sword...in middle earth its rediculous.. the movie basically nerfed the hell out of all magical blades in middle earth

[@multiverse_media2023]

Well, not all of them. Only _Glamdring_ still had its magic. Because Gandalf is the strongest Wizard of all. Screw you, Dumbledore!

[@FireCat14]

Lich King Arthus is just so cool and Frostmourne is my most favourite sword in the world! I'd give my soul to just touch the rune blade! Sauron is cool but Arthus is cooler!

[@darkreflection9087]

14:17 can someone tell me what that video called

[@kingskald5832]

Would love to see a fight between the Wild hunt vs nazgul that ends with witch king vs eredin

[@eviljbrian]

The thing about fighting The Jailer.... Compared to two or three earlier fights in the Sepulcher of the First Ones, the Jailer is a friggn CAKE WALK!

[@tonyx2644]

@33:10 It looked like Sauron's mace is an extention of his being. He was able to just materialize it in to his hand at will, so I just assumed that it was part of his space manipulation abilities.

[@shastacat9632]

the mace is just for the movies, in the books he used his hands to kill

[@djokealtena2538]

In the Silmarillion you read about Morgoth's mace named Grond, it could have been Morgoth's.

[@shastacat9632]

@@djokealtena2538 grond is a warhammer, sauron never used any weapons but came out swinging with his bare hands against an army

[@chrisriley2321]

Welp...that's another one we need to worry about becoming more powerful after this battle. Kinda makes me wanna see him take on other winners who absorbed their opponents

[@ulfberht4431]

As interesting as the idea of Sauron being in the final battle would’ve been, I agree with Jackson’s reason on why they scrapped it. Hey said that it was not what Tolkien would’ve wanted or had in mind. And they realised it was pretty demeaning of the whole theme and story behind LOTR. At the end of the day, it wasn’t just about Aragorn defeating the baddie. It was about the journey and willingness to destroy the ring by Frodo. That’s the heart of the story, to prevent Sauron’s physical manifestation. I’m glad they cut it out and replaced it with the armoured troll scene.

[@luisumana1238]

31:53 Yo, Album Cover!

[@abhabh6896]

Sauron is a master blacksmith to the point where one look at frostnourne would be all it take for Saurin to understand what he needs to do to break it, just one look. He would know all frostmourne can do and what its made of.

[@marcuscarbonaro7089]

Hi renegades react. Since it’s Christmas time can you react to Elf Cinemasins?

[@confloashton3617]

I think deku's mind would be what clutches him the win, asta's powers are intense but simplistic, given enough time deku will be able to figure him out.

[@coryyoung7544]

Theres not much to figure out, it probably depends on asta's speed vs deku's powers. Spoiler warning. Asta is learning like haki though so you probably just have to wait to see how much info the use.

[@firenze6478]

But asta’s really smart when it comes to battle strategy too and just far outclasses him in every other category besides weapon versatility. Plus there’s the chance that db may count black whip as something asta can cut through or absorb and shoot back at him since it’s a form of energy

[@infinityzer054]

Kinda sad that they didn’t combine after Sauron won, more power for the next battle. Both fire and ice Ultraman noa(wearing plot armor by cactus juice) vs gen alpha eyepop(aka not-popeye)

[@joshnunya324]

Deku wins, Asta isn't light speed

[@justanaverageanimefan8487]

Actually Asta stomps.

[@dylanwolfe152]

It's sad that you have to make the battle practically unwatchable to avoid copyright

[@SalaComMander]

ViewSync is a handy website for this purpose.

[@loonowolf2160]

Damm i thought u would said someone "Lotr even made 24 years ago it's still great and ageless too"

[@ferdinandpurczeld234]

That Deku vs Asta seems so early, I am still knee-deep in both stories ^^' I'm with Nick on this one, can't risk getting spoilers.

[@matijasostojic4288]

I know right. I can't get spoiled... Not now...

[@aztecelotl]

Nate, i want to suggest that for the next Nostalgia Critic Commercials Special, you invite Chad and Nikki to watch them too

[@greycommander420]

Hope you enjoy Black Clover! I'm up to date on the manga myself and it is so damn awesome.

[@AmateurAnimations65]

One issue I have with DB's ending analysis is the claim that Arthus would have a hard time figuring out Sauron's weakness. Like yeah, figuring out the whole "toss the ring in mount doom" stuff is weird, but I think even a regular person could be able to figure out the ring gives Sauron power, let alone the Litch King. It's fully possible he could've just cut the ring off Sauron's finger, taking it as a trophy. And since Sauron couldn't really corrupt Arthus, taking the ring might as well be a death, even if he technically can't kill Sauron. I'm not even very knowledgeable of these two, that's just a flaw I see in their argument

[@HB-fq9nn]

It’s definitely one way Lich could have won so to speak, but there are issues with that. Most notably, Sauron’s abilities which he has even without The One Ring (illusions, weather manipulation, shadow and fire magic, soul protection and mind domination, etc.), and seeing as he can keep fighting as a spirit, taking The One Ring would only slightly hinder Saurons chances of winning. He’s still more powerful than Ossë, and therefore Arthus, even without The One Ring.

[@AmateurAnimations65]

@@HB-fq9nn Fair enough

[@General_Weebus]

In the books losing the ring doesn't immediately stop Sauron. He goes on to fight and kill two powerful elven champions.

[@sokratikas]

There is a problem with that,the ring will curropt everyone that would use it in some capacity. You would have the most humble and satisfied person in the whole world to resist it's promises,which is why Sam and frodo succeeded in their task(though the ring did break frodo will right at the end). Arathras has just the perfect personality for the ring to manipulate,and the ring only knows one master and that is sauron. So even if arathras did succeed in defeating sauron,he would loose in the long run.

[@sokratikas]

Furthermore,sauron power,especially at his peak was not directly linked to the ring. The ring was only necessary for his full strenght when eru took away most of his powers when he destroyed numenor. So even without the ring arathras was quite fucked. The ring only amped his power and allowed him to control the rest of the rings,all his abilities are sauron's alone

[@royalripper7453]

LOTR fan here Death Battle kinda skipped over many of Sauron's feats and scaling (i assume to make it seem that Arthas has more of a chance) So first of all , Maiar and Valar exist in the Timeless Halls , which transcend all space , time and dimensions , making them up to Outerversal in power (you can also get them to this level from them creating even all platonic concepts) Very much a Darkseid situation , where his physical form is limited so he doesn't destroy everything . But Sauron's physical form is still insanely powerful , Narsil (the Sword he shattered by stepping on it) was comparable to the Silmarils- Which were magical gems which contained the power of countless stars (if somone didn't want to accept this feat , Pre-Ring Sauron actually fought Huan- Who is equal to a creature which consumed a Silmaril and got power from it) And finally, Gandalf himself is another Maiar, and even with a Ring that protects against Domination and Corruption , he couldn't even touch The One Ring And The One Ring's corrupting power grows with : Evil , Power and Ambition of a person Meaning eventually Lich King would get corrupted and if all of this wasn't enough , Maiar and Valar have immesurable speeds, being able to go quite literally as fast as they want and can imagine

[@mechafenix9348]

Can I ask you something? Didn't Isildur technically had Maiar blood?

[@royalripper7453]

@@mechafenix9348 Nope , but he was a Numenorian which were basically kinda in between of Humans and Elves (not mix of the two , but lived for lot longer than humans and were much more powerful)

[@alect525]

@@royalripper7453 I mean, I think Isildur was of the Line of Elros, so he had very, very, very distant relations to Luthien and Melian

[@WebbedManiac]

One small nitpick I have with this, is that just because Maiar reside in another dimension where space-time doesn't exist, doesn't mean they are Outerversal in power. Like just because a guy lives outside radius of a bomb blast, doesn't mean he's immune to the bomb. I think Sauron is multiversal, sure, but putting him at Outerversal is pretty generous.

[@royalripper7453]

@@WebbedManiac no no no Not that it doesn't exist there , but that it's above it They created space time and all dimensions

[@hassanhashmeh561]

8:28.

[@tanuzzu22]

Sauron vs Zen O ?😂😂

[@tanmanbrown8952]

Skip to 8:32.

[@LeaveItToRemm]

Got platinum in persona 5 so now im playing persona 3 while backtracking on old video's

[@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051]

11:51 Celebrimbor did not craft the rings, the game messed up a lot of lore.

[@louisbekaert9135]

um heads up but next one because death battle might spolier for you because they go use manga both of them

[@DragonClaw95.]

Can you react to Edward Elric vs Aang?

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Saying that the Lich King's backstory is of the same quality as Sauron's is such a turbo bad take. I love the Lich King, but Sauron is simply in an entirely separate league. That, and the comment that Sauron "didn't do anything" during the course of the movie is just baffling. Like in the books, Sauron is not a fighter, he doesn't rush headlong into a physical fight. The entire point of Sauron is that his isn't just some big strong brute, he is a force of nature that acts as a puppet master, the Eye of Sauron is a representation of that; he sees everything, and he plans and plots and schemes with all that information. Sauron constantly being a physical threat would've done the character an extreme disservice.

[@ryuprimeus3719]

OMNIPOTENT meaning ALL KNOWING. ALL SEEING.ALL POWERFULL perfect in every shape way and form exist outside of time is not susceptible to sin or death.

[@franciscoarzapalozapata4610]

No, omnipotent just mean that you can do anything, all knowing is Omnisciente, and it doesn't imply that they are perfect

[@bradleybarnett1469]

Starts at 8:33 . You're welcome

[@nathanaelmetzger9042]

Thx

[@AHorrorFanatic]

If Sauron had apeard in the final battel they would have lost. They would not stand a chance.

[@huntersmith561]

Can you remove the death battle logo from the video

[@neocyndaquil]

they should make simarilion into a movie -.-

[@Davidofthelost]

They’d fuck it up like the Rings of Power is.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Woot woot

[@Gunn3rGuru]

Yeah, it's fair Nick won't watch the next. I know y'all's thing about spoilers. Just wish they waited with where both manga are atm.

[@GandalfGreyWizard]

Meow...feed me Im starving...meow

[@Filistajn]

I'd like to be the first to say that I'm a huge fan of both LOTR and WOW, and have read most of the books in those works as well. So I dare say my comment will be food for thought. Objectively, the video is wrong. 1. Sauron lost his ability to morph after losing his body. 2. His armor and weapon are formed by his will with dark magic = not on the level of ancient artifacts capable of destroying Frostmourne. Even Sauron's body is created by the will and power of the ring = No blood. 3. the Lich King wasn't just a demigod like Sauron. He was the one who killed and enslaved the ancient demigods, demons and their magic. He literally had the power to kill and enslave creatures on the level of Balrogs and Great Dragons (creations of Morgoth), which even Sauron himself feared. Sauron was not afraid to go into only one type of conflict, and that was with mortals... and he was defeated by a mortal. 4 Sauron's real power has always been his strategic skills and the power of the ring to corrupt the souls of all who were in his presence. 5. Even if he didn't have the Eye of Acherus, the Lich King would have found out rather quickly during the duel what Sauron drew his power from. Bottom line, confirmed. This video is nicely done, but incredibly flawed done by people who may have had some sort of poll on Discord. The video would really make it look like there were 2 fights in reality. The first duel where the Lich King would cut off the ring of power. Sauron would have counted on that, like the good strategist he always was.He was counting on the Lich King taking the Ring and deploying it to usurp the new power, at which point he would usurp the Lich King and all his power. BUT Sauron wouldn't know that the Lich King had already experienced a battle of wills in such a powerful artifact. And that was when he, as Arthas, killed the soul of Ner'zhul (Lich King) while passing the power of the crown, which took 10 years. Thus, he would master the power of the ring and become an invincible force. P.S. There is much more power hidden in the Crown than in the Ring, which can be seen in the amount of destruction it will bring. After the Ring is destroyed, a volcano erupts and an earthquake destroys most of the army of Mordor. When the Lich King's crown is destroyed, the very fabric of reality is destroyed, breaking the barrier between the world of the living and the world of the dead. This comparison of power is legitimate, just as we can compare the size and mass of stars and the effects of their supernovae. The ring - a big supernova. The Crown - a giant supernova that went into a black hole. PS2: Here we are only talking about a 1v1 combat. In the context of armies, Sauron wouldn't stand a chance (LOTR 3 ghosts, imagine...). And even if Sauron had legions of Nazgholes, the Lich King would have no problem binding them to his will. Game, set and match - Lich King wins

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Least biased Wow fanboy

[@Filistajn]

@@AmericanBrit9834 “biased” Fanboy of both worlds. After all, that should be all the people talking about this topic. Or at least those who made the video and let the fan base choose their opinion instead of a thorough search.

[@recjr7685]

This wasn't really a Death Battle... the lich king was powerful, but he was never going to win this

[@brandonwong8614]

Me looking at Sauron's pre analysis: Is that fluffing Jesus?!!

[@antonieralcoleman3935]

soooooooo my thing with this death battle was that arthas is an amazing fighter. Sauron isnt and if this fight is about which both have comparable feats of magical abilities wouldnt it boil down to their fighting abilithy? Sauron was defeated in combat to someone who wouldnt win against arthas vs having 25 powerful raid members against one guy is a lot.

[@HB-fq9nn]

Those distinctions mostly matter in thier own worlds though. When compared directly, Sauron’s power and immortality overpowered Frostmourne, and seeing as both were as fast as each other, Sauron could react in time to counter Arthas’ attacks. Besides, it’s not like Arthas seems to use that combat prowess as the Lich King, seeing as most of his attacks are just spell spamming and wild sword swings.

[@Kjf365]

Sauron is great at fighting, he just got cocky and careless. If Isildur was replaced with someone like Gandalf and Elrond, that wouldn't have happened.

[@Davidofthelost]

Sauron had to be overpowered by both High King Elendil and Gil’Galad fighting together with their legendary blades and skills. Elendil was 7’11 nearly 8ft tall to the other Numenoreans 6’4 and his family was renowned and respected as peerless warriors of their people. Even when the other Numenoreans fell to Sauron’s corruption they wouldn’t harm them out of respect for Elendil and his father, until Isildur stole a fruit from the white tree before it was burned. Gil’Galad as with any Elf lord kept his skills high to fight alongside his men and lead them into battle. It took both of them fighting together to beat Sauron and then Isildur cut the ring from his hand as a wear guilt for the loss of his brother and father.

[@mothified1676]

Shouldn't Sauron have died whenever he literally got stabbed through the heart? I thought Frostmourne can cut through souls and also absorb part of them?

[@HB-fq9nn]

Sauron has complete control over his own soul, and The One Ring further enhances this trait, so basically Sauron has Soul protection by default. This also grants him the ability to repair damage dealt to his soul, as he can just re-shape it so that it’s healthy again.

[@mothified1676]

Aaah, ok ok, I didn't know that. I thought he was like Inferno from Soul Calibur, where damage on the soul itself is his weakness. Thank you for clarifying, I'm not really good at LotR lore if it's about before the events in the Hobbit

[@oguzhanenescetin5702]

Ainurin spirits cannot be absorbed or harmed

[@austinjaynes8203]

​@@mothified1676 Ya spirits like sauron can never be destroyed. Even when the one ring was destroyed sauron is not techinically dead just he lost the power to manifest himself in any form in the mortal realm but he still exists

[@furydeath]

Think a lot of people knew arthas would lose cause his real power is from the unlimited army of undead you take that away and he's got not too much

[@melissaharris4530]

Very similar to if the Lich King fought Lei Shen the thunder king, in a 1v1 Lei would win pretty easily if the Lich King doesn't have his horde of undead to overwhelm him.

[@christopherbush8334]

Actually arthas is one of the strongest martial artists in azeroth.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

28:38 arthas' for me.

[@spartana1116]

Sauron is maximum sleek while the litchking is maximum chonk

[@WallNutBreaker524]

24:41 "saurons resisted celebrimbor dominating his soul" Is this right? Cuz this is from the shadow of Mordor video game, sauron would not have resisted celebrimbor had it not been the girl elf who was weak, had it been the powerful talion sauron wouldve been dominated and the birth of the white king would've been complete.

[@HB-fq9nn]

Sauron has complete control over his own soul, and The One Ring further enhances this trait, so basically Sauron has Soul protection by default. Celebrimbor trying to take control of Sauron’s soul is just an example of Sauron’s willpower and natural traits protecting him. It’s more of a visual reference for Sauron’s abilities.

[@All-father4300]

eltariel was stronger than talion by default, celebrimbor didnt lost bcs eltariel was weaker than talion, he lost bcs his bound with talion was stronger, since celebrimbor was with him for more time, Talion was using the new ring for more time and the most important, Talion will power was way bigger than eltariel will power

[@kingingrey1882]

The games aren’t canon

[@Kjf365]

I'm pretty sure they were saying that whole thing was dumb because just after that it became a contest for who would take control in the end which was why Sauron was just the eye above that one tower the whole time. They were calling the game out for something outlandish.

[@shanedawndusk3290]

Sauron is too good

[@christopherbush8334]

Arthas can actually one shot sauron. Arthas is god proof. Db didnt dig hard enough on their research. The location the fight took place, ice crown citidel, is crafted using the blood of an old god which drains the power of those not welcome (sauron) so sauron would have been weakened as soon as he entered. Also arthad can one shot 25 heros of azeroth as once, which imho at least 25 heroes are as strong as sauron. Lastly, the death plauge thats is in ice crown citidel would be eating away at saurons physical form. Ice crown citidel is a very dangerous place, for anyone.

[@mysteriousnewdude6491]

1. The location was just for animation. 2. How can you prove the 25 heroes of Azaroth are more powerful than Sauron? 3. They literally stated in the reason for him winning that the plague will not work because he can turn into a ghost.

[@christopherbush8334]

@@mysteriousnewdude6491 plague works on ghosts. They should have chosen a batter location to animate it then. Isildur wounded sauron with a magic sword, heroes of azeroth are decked out in magic shit head to toe.

[@mysteriousnewdude6491]

@@christopherbush8334 1. It was because that Ice Crown Citadel was a cool place. 2. Sauron getting cut by a sword, but that sword was explicitly considered a powerful sword made to kill what Sauron is, from the First Age, an era seperate from the others. And if it was not then it's an outlier. 3. You still did not prove how the 25 heroes of Azaroth are more powerful. (+ Seems like your getting to downplay Sauron, as Lich King has to destroy the One Ring. Which seems unlikely, I mean the whole plot of Arthas' fall was that he got mentally messed up by the armor. The ring would just do the same.) 4. Are you talking about undead? As in the objects and Death Knights being affected due to druids possessing them in-game when afflicted by the plague? There's no proof that Lich's plague can affect ghosts, only undead with physical bodies.

[@mysteriousnewdude6491]

Quotes of Narsil (that sword that cut off his finger): . ‘I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.’ . "The host of Gil-galad and Elendil had the victory, for the might of the Elves was still great in those days, and the Númenóreans were strong and tall, and terrible in their wrath. Against Aeglos the spear of Gil-galad none could stand; and the sword of Elendil filled Orcs and Men with fear, for it shone with the light of the sun and of the moon, and it was named Narsil." _________________________________ Sauron actually removes his body, he did not actually die. . "But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own. Then Sauron was for that time vanquished, and he forsook his body, and his spirit fled far away and hid in waste places; and he took no visible shape again for many long years." The reason he ran away was pretty clear as the ring is stated to store his power. At least I can site statements from the books themselves. While you seem to have not proven the great power of all 25 heroes. They even showed your raid team feat on the sidebar.

[@christopherbush8334]

@@mysteriousnewdude6491 so he was wounded, and fled, like i said.

[@mrjghostbell3807]

Asta will Body Deku I'm sorry XD

[@WallNutBreaker524]

So arthas' lost bcuz frostmourne broke? How? The reason frostmourne broke in WOW was bcuz arthas' was caught off guard casting a powerful spell that would kill the raid team and turn them to his side since he got bored , the weapon used was holy and legendary, but was shattered by saurons mace? Bruh, not many of arthas' abilities were even used

[@HB-fq9nn]

Sauron’s mace (despite only appearing in media outside of the books) is magical, since it’s a construct of Dark Magic, and Arthas has no defence against Dark Magic, so Sauron basically overpowered Frostmourne while Arthas was distracted by his illusion. It’s never been specified that Frostmourne can only be broken by a holy/legendary weapon, especially since Arthas has a resistance to light magic. Basically, mace or no mace, Sauron’s power was too much for Frostmourne to handle, which allowed Sauron to absorb not only the souls trapped in Frostmourne, but Arthas’ as well, since most of his power and resistances were gone.

[@All-father4300]

Its very simple actually, sauron is simply a cosmic entity, an angel, frostmourne was strong, but not enough to resist someone like sauron, the mace isnt the main factor there, is just that sauron have enough power to break it,and again, sauron was an angel, pretty sure his mace was both holy and legendary, and they literally said that most of their abilities wouldnt be useful against each other, therefore it would be pointless, to show all their abilities in the fight, since it would have little or 0 effect

[@carlosblanco571]

Lich king should have won

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Tumblr fell apart bcuz of political correctness, lesson learned, when your whole business is kept alive due to horny people, I suggest not alienating and cracking down on said horny people if you don't want to go bankrupt or go broke hahaha.

[@connorwood9211]

Know nothing about Black Clover, but I hate Izuku so I'll be rooting for Asta

[@helldrake77777]

They got SO much wrong on both of them. It was just pure fanfiction on both sides in terms of representing the characters. If they were appropriately represented, the outcome would have been one sides in the opposite of what happened. HOWEVER. . . . The bitch boy bit the dust, so I am satisfied, despite the glaring incompetence in the research for this one.

[@Kjf365]

That sounds like an egregious error. Would you care to explain what _exactly_ they got wrong? 👀

[@user-vk6sx3ep9g]

14:00 I died laughing my ass off 😂

[@user-vk6sx3ep9g]

14:00 I want to known if this is a video that I can finded.

[@user-vk6sx3ep9g]

14:00 - 14:50 Made me laugh my ass off