Dodge Hornet | A Stinging Sensation

[@James-lh5qn]

plastic sway bar link, plastic key structural components... A true Stellantis craftsmanship.

[@bleebleblahble8833]

Imagine paying for an Alfa Romeo and getting the same

[@WhiteLivesMatterPL]

Ready to hit EU market.

[@The_Noticer.]

@@WhiteLivesMatterPL Why do you think as a Eurofag i only buy Honda.

[@WoodEe-zq6qv]

HELL YEA BR0THERR VRTHNG SHULD BE MADE OF METAL LIKE GOD INTENDED But seriously plastic sway bar links are used in subarus, corvettes, ford SHOs, etc. they're strong as hell because they're fiber reinforced.

[@hamsterbrigade]

​@@bleebleblahble8833 bruh...didn't you hear the Alfa owners all tell you it's not a design issue it's just people being haters.

[@karlsailor]

The discussion about Dodge's future was way more interesting than the car, which is a hard pass

[@hard_at_it9852]

As a car hauler, we have a rule for the Hornet. Minimally interact with it, we've had far too many die on our trucks from electronic failures.

[@Jag-leaper]

Juuuust like the dart before it....tisk tisk tisk...

[@matthewp9015]

Such as?

[@itsAlphaFox]

​@@matthewp9015 TFL did a 4wd roller test on it and all the lights on the dash lit up

[@paulg7964]

@@matthewp9015 He stated he hauls them, not work on them. See the difference ?

[@matthewp9015]

@@paulg7964 yes… but still seems to know what’s causing these brand-new cars to “die” before customers even get them.

[@JoseDiaz-qw7mg]

Price is the Hornet’s detriment. When similar vehicles are cheaper and more reliable, the Hornet is a sure hard sell. Even an inflated rav4 is a better deal than this.

[@M9_Prime]

Also Toyota Reliability vs Dodge Reliability makes this a hard sell to people that care about that as well. When they said the price I was shocked… in Canada that car will be over$50k, I can get a new CX-5 for under $40k after tax

[@trailrunnah8886]

It's true. I don't even really like Toyota, but I tell anybody looking for a car in this class to go RAV4. It's not the most exciting or advanced, but it'll always work.

[@Pumpkinfish12]

The Buick Envista, which seems to be similar size and market segment looks better and is cheaper. I think that would be the play between the two. After my wife's Durango and my Grand Cherokee, I learned my lesson buying Mopar.

[@TheReal_JG]

​@Pumpkinfish12 isn't the Envista made in China? Buick is very popular amongst the Chinese, which is why GM sadly axed Pontiac.

[@JonBoy470]

The thing about Stellantis products (and the Big 3 in general) is that they use the department store pricing model of constant sales, which makes the car's MSRP a bad barometer of its value proposition. But for a blip during the pandemic, when all new cars became unobtanium, the Big 3 have moved the metal by putting money on the hood, both in direct sales incentives (rebates, low rate financing, etc.) and factory to dealer incentives that allow the dealers to aggressively discount from MSRP. Meanwhile, at Toyota, Honda and Mazda stores, the product sells itself, at or near sticker, likely with mandatory useless add-ons and market rate financing. All of which makes the MSRP a bad indicator of their value proposition. A larded up $40,000 CR-V or RAV4, is, real-world, five grand more, out the door, than a similarly tarted up "$40,000" Dodge Hornet.

[@fpnbrian]

Leased a Tonale for my wife about 3 months ago, which is in all ways that matter the same vehicle. So far we've had no issues at all aside from the lift gate decided not to open one day after buying groceries, but turning it off and back on solved that. The active drive & safety sensors are very sensitive to direct blinding sunlight, but we did a 2500 mi road trip in it for thanksgiving and it performed quite well overall. She commented over the weekend just how much she loves the car, she is coming from a Mini Cooper S Manual, the Tonale is sporty enough where we both enjoy being behind the wheel, though we both understand it's NOT a sports car by any stretch and don't expect it to perform like one. If I had to summarize the Hornet / Tonale, it would be a CUV for someone who requires a little more practicality than a sports car (perhaps you've got a kid), but you haven't died inside and still want a vehicle that drives decently well, and would rather kill yourself than own/drive something like a CRV, and either can't afford or don't want / can't fit something like a larger performance SUV.

[@matthewp9015]

Shhh you’re not allowed to say positive things about the Tonale, especially from a place of actual ownership experience. You’re shattering the world views of everyone here with their copy+paste opinions.

[@fpnbrian]

@@matthewp9015 so I probably shouldn't mention that I've owned 2 other Alfas over the past 6 going on 7 years, which were also similarly problem free?

[@matthewp9015]

@@fpnbrian you best be keeping that to yourself…

[@tom11zz884]

@@fpnbrian You had until you said you owned 2 Alfas that were trouble free😅😅😅😅 I don't believe that for one second.

[@fpnbrian]

@@tom11zz884 in 2017 I leased a 2018 Stelvio Ti Sport, 2 problems in 3 years, defective fuel pump at brand new, 800 mi on the odometer, and one of the external door lock buttons got stuck depressed. Fuel pump issue was still able to drive to the dealership and got a loaner. Had that for 3 years. Was so happy with the vehicle in 2020 I bought a brand new 2019 (old inventory, thank you covid) Stelvio Quadrifoglio. The only unscheduled trip to the dealership was due to a load of contaminated / bad fuel, the gas station's fuel delivery company paid to have my tank drained and flushed, and new plugs put in. They aren't without querks and features as DeMuro would say, but I'll be damned if they aren't great vehicles to drive. And my wife has been impressed enough now we're a 2 Alfa family. The only genuine complaint I've got is how fast I got through tires on the Quadrifoglio 🤔😉

[@joelmartinez2668]

I just traded in my 2015 dart. It was a great handling little commuter. I actually really liked driving it! But at 109k miles it was falling apart. I expect that to be the case here too.

[@trumpet12345]

glad yours made it that far. we had a manual that had that faulty hydraulic component shared with the european version of the journey. 3rd time it went out in under 10k miles - it blew up under the hood. no lemon law remedy though as almost everything was a "wear item", but i flipped it before the bottle fell out on the Dart market.

[@trumpet12345]

From a business perspective, I can see why Sergio pushed it out when they did per contract with the goverment of a 40mpg car (after the fiat 500 was given the thumbs down as providing one) in order to get that 5% stake. It is just sad though. I feel they would have been better just parked in rows for outdoor movie theaters during covid than attempted to be used. just not one good thing reliability wise. The hyundai sourced auto had a linkage that would cause roll away accidents, and literally meant a recall of EVERY auto dart. The manuals had a faulty hydraulic component. They were going to be sued heavily over this. The plantiff's mechanic, "lost the parts" . Seemed shady AF! @DanielDos2

[@bundy26]

I work with this guy that has a Dart (don't know which powertrain) with 190k on it. Looks like crap but still running.

[@RickCh137]

Probably not, only car that dodge hasn't built themselves. built by alfa in italy

[@Userxxx840]

I forget that car existe

[@romeropostali520]

Stellar review. Not a fan of the product really, but good review and insight into where this brand is going. Looks challenging af.

[@Almighty_cornholio]

Imagine selling only chargers and challengers for 16 years just to get this turd in the showroom

[@creato938]

Let's hope it also doesn't come with the typical Alfa reliability as well.

[@MD-uu5nt]

​@@creato938 🙄 it's such nonsense. having owned multiple Alfas over the years I have literally never been left down by one of them. Alfas are better than Audi or BMW in terms of reliability.

[@chriscarbaugh3936]

Yeah how do you sell this tu”himg

[@mitchellcaldwell6315]

@@MD-uu5nt *talks about how reliable their alfas are, sells them all before 30k miles* 🫵🤡

[@FVPS904]

Still at zero down at 22 percent interest

[@dammyo6010]

I think this actually looks pretty good for a small CUV.

[@positively_broad_st3780]

I've seen it in person. It does have a decent look to it, but the three available units on my local lot are sticker-priced at $38K, $50K, and $52K. At those prices, they ain't THAT nice...

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Yea its decent looking for sure

[@tehgzizlauw1787]

Because it's an Alfa Romeo design

[@441meatloaf]

@@positively_broad_st3780 At 52K you can get a german.

[@kgb4187]

GTA aesthetics

[@DCPEvo]

You said it. Dodge is at an interesting crossroad. No more muscle cars and consumers are done buying $70-$80k trucks. At least for now in high volumes. They really don’t compete in smaller quality affordable cars.

[@rndmprsn3532]

all they had to do is update the challenger/charger with turbo 4 cylinder and turbo 6 cylinder. maybe make them just a bit smaller/tighter/lighter. Maybe even offer a 6 speed manual. Front engine, manual, RWD is what we want. Not a CUV.

[@panzer_TZ]

Dodge and Chrysler got shafted over the years. Anyone could see that basing your brand identity around large displacement engines had a finite timetable, with regulations becoming stricter each year. Ideally, I would've had Jeep have a nice lineup of off-road CUVs, Chrysler with comfort/luxury CUVs and the Pacifica, and Dodge with a lineup of sporty-oriented CUVs and a new low-priced new Caravan based on the Pacifica. They would ride on the same platforms but have different design philosophies.

[@Jazzmaster1992]

Not that it matters, but are Dodge trucks even a thing anymore? Do they actually make their own pickups or wasn't everything spun-off into RAM products?

[@positively_broad_st3780]

The Hornet pricing goes up into the 50's. This vehicle won't bring in the affordability customers either...

[@rlsedition]

@@rndmprsn3532 Sales numbers say otherwise; people do want CUVs.

[@SKULLKNIGHT_]

As a GT Plus owner of 6 months, I completely understand the argument of “why would one buy this?”. The way it drives and feels is a little boy racer. It’s fast, it’s fun to drive with turbo lag and AWD and launches all day, but the average buyer could not give a crap whatsoever about sport performance and the forums show. When I hear owners talk about it it’s “why is the car so loud on cold start is it broken?” “Why does it delay when I put my foot down?” “Why’s the steering so heavy” like, the CUV market is historically for the “boring” everyday driver who wants A to B with CarPlay. I feel they succeeded at making a fun-driving car, but people have no clue what the thing is. I get compliments frequently when asked about it, but it’s niche. I even tell my friends looking for a new car, if you want a new car that does it all, get a RAV4 or a CX-5. This is a compromising car that prioritizes fun more than anything else and price wise, they can get up there. I do worry for the longevity and aftermarket support because apparently they move very slowly on dealer lots, but it would be a shame to see it go so quickly when I genuinely enjoy mine. Great review as always! Been waiting to see y’all’s perspective on it.

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

I find it interesting, looks good, but I haven't driven it. So far in this category my favourite is the CX5. But I'd really be curious to try this out. The thing is even if I find it interesting, I'm the person that will never ever buy a CUV or SUV unless I need to. And if I need to because I need it to pull or carry, it's going to be a Land Cruiser or something.

[@porkchopexpress6969]

You should also check out Kenny g’s Christmas album

[@SilverScarletSpider]

what’s wrong with the Mazda CX30 Turbo? not as fast?

[@maximus11400]

I have the RT Plus and I have to agree with everything @SKULLKNIGHT_ said. This car is very fun to drive. I traded my 2023 Kia Sportage Xpro on one Hornet RT. Kia had everything but the fun factor. Now I have the fun factor with my car and my Indian Challenger!

[@SKULLKNIGHT_]

@@SilverScarletSpider Honestly nothing! Just wasn’t under my radar as something I wanted and it’s just as small as a Hornet. So if I were to go Mazda, I’d prefer the CX-5 or a Mazda3 Turbo Hatchback (the latter I did drive and thoroughly enjoyed, but none were locally available at the time I was trading in my previous car to buy a new one).

[@HingerBinger]

It amazes me that you can option this car to $54,500, what a steal!

[@MrSilence99]

It will be a $54k shoe box on wheels.

[@virgilpalmer2427]

You're joking right..😂

[@crankychris2]

With tax and fees that's less than 60K, I can finance it for 72 months for only 8.9%, when I retire this car will be only 7 years old, and I'll trade it for a house...even up. Wish me luck! See you at Mecam in 2030. Bring your house title to the auction. 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@Ryan-ds2wx]

I brought my Scat Pack Charger over to the Dodge dealership recently to get a quick oil change done. They had one of these Hornets in the showroom, I sat in it and checked it out. Interior was pretty nice, not bad. You don't realize how small and cramped feeling these Hornets are until you sit in one though. They're small for sure. It's sad, Dodge went from building Chargers and Challengers with some of the most amazing small block V8 drive trains, ever.....to this. I'm glad I got my Scat Pack. I'll be hanging onto this car for a long while.

[@rlsedition]

No surprise the Hornet feels small inside versus your Charger; the Charger is a huge car!

[@aprtur]

Garage it and keep it out of sight - seriously fun car, but it's sad how many people are stealing them nowadays via CAN hacks.

[@Ryan-ds2wx]

@@aprtur Yep ;) Mine is garaged, has a 2-stage kill switch installed and had the security update key fob module locked from Dodge.

[@aprtur]

@@Ryan-ds2wx glad to hear it, man...sorry if I sounded like Debbie Downer, but my neighbor's Scat Pack Charger was stolen a handful of months ago, and I hurt for the guy as another car enthusiast. Enjoy it in good health!

[@ordinary_average_guy]

@@aprtur could be your retirement fund in 40 years. can you imagine what it'll be worth in the future...sound investment.

[@GhostRyderFPV]

"Took an architecture that is very old, and try to do something new with it" Visions of old E-Class Mercs being turned into 300's, Chargers, and Magnums come to mind. So... par for the course?

[@FreewayBrent]

For fun and jokes, please review the Mistubishi Mirage! I can only imagine how sketched out both of you would be to drive that tin can.

[@dylanpage4106]

Even a lancer or outlander, they are bad.

[@jonasbaine3538]

Isn’t that the cheapest new car? No surprise it is low quality.

[@dylanpage4106]

No the cheapest new car is a Kia forte I’m pretty sure it’s a much better car than any Mitsubishi.

[@dylanpage4106]

Even a Sentra or versa or whatever is better for basically the same price

[@interpol007]

Actually I think they’d be pretty ok with it. Cheap reliable with a ten year warranty. It doesn’t advertise or hold itself to be anything wlse

[@anthonykiedis1765]

I love how the horn doesn't work on this new car. That says all you need to know about the Dodge brand.

[@KyleRepinski]

They clearly think this review unit has been worked on at some point, it's not the only preproduction ish car a reviewer has gotten with some small issues

[@anthonykiedis1765]

@@KyleRepinski okay, so please explain every other Dodge made in the past decade.

[@KyleRepinski]

@@anthonykiedis1765 the last decade of Dodge has been basically just Charger, Challenger, and Journey lol. None of those cars are grossly unreliable vehicles. They're not Toyotas, but they're not German.

[@b3dazzl3]

REEEEEEEE!! DODGE MAN BAD, REEEE!!!!!@@anthonykiedis1765

[@charlesbolton8471]

@@KyleRepinski I’ll defend the Journey. In January 2014, I bought a salesman’s demo 2013 Journey SXT V6. It has been my daily driver for the last 10 years and has 150,000 miles on it with no major issues. The only thing I don’t like about it is the location of the battery, and I absolutely hate that.

[@justinp2993]

Mark finally nailed his contribution especially when he takes the lead on a review. "I joke around so much that I don't really offer much". Sometimes it's hard to look in the mirror and be honest with one's self. Congratulations on the first step toward growth.

[@gray25xt]

His sense of humor and brutal sarcasm are what makes this channel great.

[@rhodesianhunter9360]

His comment on the Rolls Royce from a year ago still has me laughing.

[@Brotherhood676]

I think its a good looking car. But dodges brand and reputation is going to make it hard to break into a competitive segment like this

[@Browningate]

If by good, you mean absolutely fugly, then you're 100% right.

[@VaunShiz]

Huh? It's rather ugly , they glued a frumpy dodge esc front onto a Italian design...

[@SoosRamirez1]

It’s def ugly but I’ve seen worse, like that envista thing. Id take this over the envista thing any day of the week

[@Browningate]

@@SoosRamirez1 If they removed the badges, could you really even tell the difference?

[@SoosRamirez1]

@@Browningate not really, but I’d still take this over the envista

[@brly4542]

It's not a bad looking car, looks like a typical alfa. I'm sure it'll super reliable 😅

[@semirbasic415]

this car IS an alfa rome Tonale...

[@Brisco_County_Jr]

The forums are a fun read. Not for the owner though.

[@jbf2858]

Brutal but honest assessments, as always. Kind of like my teachers throughout school.

[@MrDroid0518]

For the disposable lease machine it really is it’s absolutely fantastic!

[@777jones]

Agreed. I rented a loaded Cherokee V6 this spring and it was the same. Economy car, but really good.

[@NoodlesExtraMSG]

Tonale=Olive Garden Hornet=TGIFriday's?

[@film50565]

It's a good-looking, comfortable crossover with cohesive Italian aesthetics. Comfortable seats, sharp handling versus other SUVs I've driven. I think the GT in the low 30s with the Cold Weather Group and Tech Pack makes a good case for itself, especially for people in northern climates who would need the ground clearance at times. I don't understand why Subaru and Audi, both known for their winter capability and AWD, don't offer heated steering wheels in many of their models. You can get it here, plus a more comfortable seat.

[@lincolnmarklt]

Omg grow up

[@mohnjayer]

These will be paper weights after like 40k miles with that build quality but it’s a cute little car that my wife would probably like. There’s a market there for the Hornet if Dodge can find a way to reach it.

[@Spinks345]

I appreciate the guys really embodying the Dodge struggle here. It was kind of depressing but that’s the reality, and why they are the best. I also would like to know why Mark leaves tags on his hats.

[@michaelw6277]

I'm sad they haven't built a new performance sedan based on the Giulia.

[@keithbaker1951]

It would make an excellent avenger and we could forget that dud that was the dart.

[@sadmarinersfan8935]

So sad they have not because that car is just a work of art like is it junk yes but damn is it beautiful junk

[@fhowland]

The last Dodge product I sat in (a fully-optioned Durango) I was blown away by how much I liked. Gotta give them some credit, they're really trying...

[@JamesCook76131]

I sold a Durango at my last dealership, I was beyond impressed with the interior and the TV’s on the seat. Made me want one

[@fhowland]

@@JamesCook76131 same! It was nice as hell, especially in the dark. Very cool ambient lighting, felt solid and well built.

[@flurpoid]

The Durango, Charger and Challenger are the only Dodge brand products worth a damn from the last decade.

[@fidobite3798]

​@JamesCook76131 I too was very impressed with a Hemi Durango I sampled back in '18. I thought at the time it was the most satisfying suv I'd ever driven. A bit too much $ but truly a fine piece of work!

[@gteixeira]

You liked for as long you sat on it. I wonder if you would keep the same idea after driving one for at least 100k miles.

[@BrandonG8Man]

The interior definitely not a “Dodge” thing. This is an Alfa Romeo with a Dodge badge on the steering wheel.

[@groosbro1]

When my wife's Alfa Romeo Stelvio was in service for a while the dealer gave us a brand new Tonale hybrid as a loaner, she hated it! She hated the beeping an booping from the "safety systems". She hated the size, the ride, and pretty much everything about the car.

[@sunnohh]

But how did your wife’s lover feel about it?

[@groosbro1]

@@sunnohh Same as your mom did...

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@groosbro1 hey, if you leave his mom out of this, I'll leave this out of his mom.

[@rendaddy_]

time to replace the wife

[@mikezerker6925]

Bigger question… how’s the Alpha been treating you guys? Has it been reliable to own with routine maintenance only or is it a POS?

[@CarDreams10]

Just looked at my local dealer out of curiosity. Tonale PHEV Veloce is $66,022 in Canada… there is no way I’m picking this over the competition at that price.

[@Cal94]

1. i was surprised you guys consider this a CRV/rav4/cx-5 competitor. visually it looks much closer to a CX-30, though i guess numbers put it closer to the kia niro/corolla cross/HRVs of the world. 2. a quick google search says this thing is indeed faster than a CX-30, which surprised me... I wonder if the hornet will do even better with a tune for premium like mazda does.

[@vothry]

Reliability and resale...that about sums it up

[@bfarnum1999]

Finally a true automobile, it harkens back to the glory days of the PT cruiser and the top notch quality it demonstrated

[@motodrang4287]

These are really a great deal, once you wait two years and pick one up that never sold.

[@rdm925]

Nice, little car and I wish them luck. But I'd really rather have a Mazda CX-30/CX-5!

[@evildrizzt1]

This man said 24mpg combined for a 1.3Liter engine. Meanwhile my 5.7 hemi V8 on a tune is getting 25mpg combined. Make it make sense.

[@mikesiciliano210]

I'd love a shorter, lower, hatchback version of this called the Omni for $20-25k. Offer a high performance, GLH trim and bam!

[@MDC2020]

He said Omni...wow haven't heard that name in a hot minute lol

[@imnotsqiddy]

Omni? Barf.

[@stevennelson209]

There is a GLH version of Hornet R/T trim pending. Sadly, it seems to be nothing more than a graphics / wheel package. I'd love to have an Omni GLHS in my garage. But prices are going up and up . . .

[@dougrobinson8602]

Better still, have Shelby do one like they did for the Omni. That'd be something.

[@dj2000lbs]

The Dodge Omni is back!

[@Incomudro1963]

Omni GLH.

[@jakejohnson6120]

Nice serious review with none of the childish, snarky and immature commentary. Keep it up and watch your channel grow.

[@ushallN0tpass]

Dart was always a good looking car imo. Too bad they didn't improve on that model

[@baronvonjo1929]

My neighbor had one and it was always broken. Plus they sold poorly.

[@TheBigFatTater]

Had a 2013 Dart Rallye. Drove it from 20k to 108k miles and never had a problem with it. Those cars were awesome. Very handsome, comfortable, good economy, and sold well for a compact Dodge. They got axed so they could make more Jeep Cherokees that sell for more money with higher profit margins. Used Darts have stayed expensive, though, because people who had experience with them knew they were solid. That was true prior to Covid, not just now. It's a shame the domestic manufacturers refuse to put any real effort into truly compact, economical cars. The Dart came along at the wrong time and was killed so Dodge could make more $60k+ commodity SUVs.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Dart peaked in the early 70s

[@matthewwatson6075]

@@TheBigFatTater I have a 2013 Darty Rallye right now as well as my dd, just about to 95k miles. It's got the turbo and a manual too, it's almost like driving a civic si but with a turbo, reliability hasn't been too bad as there haven't been any huge issues but maintenance is somewhat expensive as labor costs to get around the engine for stuff like the timing belt (replacing the valve cover gasket for some reason requires you to also remove the exhaust manifold) are a little high. Still enjoy it, mileage isn't too bad with around 27 mpg around the city, and I do think it's a nice looking car that people always think is newer than it is. Probably won't be selling it soon unless something drastic happens.

[@trailrunnah8886]

Same, I thought it was a nice looking little sedan. I was hoping for them that it would take off like the Neon did 20 years ago, but clearly not.

[@agore1945]

In January 2024 to date, there is a 505 days supply of Hornets( optimum is 75-90 days supply.If they would cease production tomorrow, it would take almost a year and a half to sell them all. Obviously, the car hasn't been received well.

[@jeffr6280]

Everyone take a shot every time Jack says "non-premium." Aaaaaand, GO!

[@briansmithwins]

I value my liver more than that...

[@dielaughing73]

"With that said"

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Jack is non premium. He used to be premium but not anymore.

[@JohnSpo]

I like this review. First time watching and it's refreshing to see a straight up review without theatrics and yet it's interesting and not boring. Not everyone needs to try to be Top Gear or Doug DeMuro.

[@vjmtz]

Should also check out Car Care Nut... zero driving shots, basically just a mechanic's take on cars, helpful on the practicality from a repair/servicing aspect. Though he barely is starting out doing vids.

[@JohnSpo]

@@vjmtz thanks!

[@vjmtz]

​@@JohnSpo No problem. I love cars and reviews, but my biggest issue IF anything is the long talk about how a car handles etc. As nice as it is to know.. a lot of people go on too much about it when honestly 95% of people who don't own more than 2 cars in 5+ years could really tell the difference. For me, I mostly need to know "is this reliable, what will break first, and how much?" Are my biggest concerns.

[@paulh6517]

If it's 41K, I will go with the CX-5 turbo.

[@slamminpotatoes4508]

Even if its $31k I'd go base cx5

[@ryanhie2829]

The interior looks nice. The exterior design looks like it could be a 2010 Mitsubishi.

[@LLG47]

I think the V8 loving people are just going to buy trucks at this point, I'm pretty sure their whole brand was just engines with cars attached. I feel like there's a chance someone's wife would fall for this but sports car people even ones that just like V8 muscle cars aren't going to be very interested in this.

[@fredwilliams7893]

Yep! Very true! Not intrested in this pile at all what a joke this thing is

[@lego4virgo]

The Neon, third-gen, was built up until 2020, for the Mexican and Middle East markets, but was never brought here, because both GM and Ford were already paring down/eliminating small passenger cars, and I guess Stellantis didn't want to get caught up in a losing proposition.

[@maineiacman]

Probably couldn't pass crash test and emissions in other markets. A shame.

[@Accost2u]

All the dodge dealers by me are becoming filled with these but yet I barely see any on the road. Maybe people are realizing Stellantis isn’t worth it.

[@Accost2u]

At least without huge incentives on the hood

[@NomenClature-o8s]

I’m not sure the American buying public even knows what Stellantis is. Most of them care about cup holders and monthly payments….with a 7 year payment plan.

[@panzer_TZ]

True, I have yet to see one in the wild, which is odd. The sales numbers back up this observation: Less than 10,000 were sold in 2023. You're more likely to see a brand-new Mercedes S-Class.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

Peugeot has been selling good cars in Europe for the past 5 years. The latest 308 is an excellent car. The 5008 and 3008 are competitive in the SUV class. Stellantis is a safe bet for affordable and desirable cars. Dodge isn't. I was expecting people to be more enthusiastic about the Stellantis takeover. I am wrong (and not disappointingly so).

[@mkizzy8499]

Because most modern CUV owners prioritize utility and economy over performance (hence the low take rate of trim levels with engine upgrades), the Hornet is both overpowered and overpriced for this market. Stellantis should've offered a base Hornet SRT model powered by the Jeep Compass' 200HP 2.0L engine and sold it at a lower price point more competitive with other compact CUVs.

[@stevend3753]

There’s already a ton of complaints on line of all the issues people are having. Which is a shame because it’s a good looking good performing CUV.

[@gadeane287]

And the question is 'why?' Why can't Stellantis build a reliable vehicle?

[@mackos007]

It really depends on the factory they're using. New Peugeots/Citroens are actually quite decent when it comes to tech and reliability. It's the Italian side that's lagging behind. Unfortunately they build this on an old Fiat platform instead of much better EMP2 platform @@gadeane287

[@quercus5398]

It’s an Alfa Romeo!

[@KeithSchwerin]

I remember hearing Dodge was FORCED to bring this car to market to bring down the brands MPG average. Every car Dodge has made since like 2008 has been a POS. Dart, Avenger, 200, and due to that they couldn't afford to keep the v8's around. The Federal penalties were mounting up and the parent company hated it. If Dodge had bothered to make a hybrid Challenger or Charger, and the Hornet and a smaller sedan had been offered they probably could have been able to keep the Hemi. They just shot themselves in the foot refusing to make ANY good vehicle. Its likely why the Mustang is still around while the charger/challenger had to die.

[@nicksgamingchannel]

The Dart and 200 were both pretty decent economy cars, especially the 200 with the V6, which was shockingly quick. It also sold like crazy, it was a pretty stupid decision on FCA's part to kill it so quickly. Also the Charger is not "dead", its being overhauled to have a much more efficient straight 6 engine and an electric option.

[@chynacash3138]

The Dodge Avenger and Chrysler 200 were decent cars from a reliability and maintenance cost standpoint, particularly the base 4cyl versions which were underrated in terms of overall reliability, both cars were just uncompetitive with the Japanese stuff in virtually every other aspect - I still think they are/were decent looking cars too though.

[@timothydubois5834]

Mustang is gonna die too in '28.

[@KeithSchwerin]

@@timothydubois5834 there isn't any evidence Mustang is going away in '28. For runs 5-7yr refresh cycles so the current car is going till at least '29-30. It's more likely the drivetrains will just change.

[@jonathansnow1886]

Did you say "hybrid Challenger"? .

[@marcoskatsuragi]

Here in Brazil I have the distant twin of the RT, the Pulse Abarth, with the same engine and architectural design, so to speak. It's an excellent car. Although our version does not have the electric motor at the rear and is not 4x4.

[@ForeverDownByLaw]

I find much to like about the Hornet, but I can't get over my reservations re: quality and long term reliability/durability.

[@nitrousexplosion10]

It's one of those cars you consider if you buy a new car every few years. It's ok but I'm sure long term maintenance cost vs tanking resale value will be atrocious.

[@EngineEconomics]

I like to think of it as the Macan’t

[@anthonycassino9769]

Great review. Fair. You didn’t go low with any comments. Hope Dodge and Chrysler make it through this phase of very lean portfolio. PS Nothing here makes me want to get out of my 22 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport Touring which I love.

[@Pyrrho_]

My 2024 Honda Civic Si is not impressed.

[@quixomega]

Is Alfa Romeo going to design the rest of the new Dodge line as well?

[@BOEHHO89]

Did I see plastic end links on the front sway bar ?

[@cloudyview]

I know it's not the focus of this vehicle, but TFL did a wheel slip test that basically broke this car - Stellantis did say it was a bug, and i think resolved the issue, but something else to be aware of. Edit - now that I watched the actual response video - I guess it's not a bug, but a 'by design' fault that can actually be produced on other Street first AWD systems - they even reproduce it with a Mazda cx5... So that's fun.

[@aerovaportrail1392]

Thanks for the review. Looks like you ran through the finial thoughts just to get this over with. I don't blame you. This thing is pretty much a rebadged Alfa Romeo Stelio or AKA a POS. I turned mine in off lease early just to get rid of it. The reliability, service advisors and dealership were the worse I've ever had to deal with. I'm glad the Alfa dealership was pulled out of the city and the Maserati dealership was canceled.

[@AFJDM]

Stellantis secures the rental car market once again!

[@twobrotherscycleanda]

I like how the lower ball joints are held on by three nuts and bolts. More manufacturers need to do that.

[@camaroman101]

Have this on my 06 toyota. No ball joint separator required.

[@flurpoid]

That's really nice if you live somewhere where the roads look like a lunar surface, ball joints get eaten up really quickly.

[@WFO.]

"Brotherhood of Muscle" no more.

[@serow6]

I sat in one an found the interior to be very tight and uncomfortable. The plan to use Alfa Romeo to develop future projects is not working out very well if this is the best Dodge can do. Might as well bring back the Magnum as a RWD based CUV and put it in the Alfa Romeo Gulia platform... Thank you for a good review as always.

[@craigerickson6308]

Good review. Dodge and othe makers Missed the mark by going away from small affordable cars. The hornet is way over priced and the buyers still want affordable transportation. Our local dealer has a loaded R/T listed for 51k,insane.

[@joshrichardson4695]

Really expected a much more harsh review. Ended up getting one of the best reviews I’ve heard on this car. Well done.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

I don't know what's worse: that Dodge doesn't have any more hellcats or that Dodge is forced to figure out what they're going to do now that they don't have them

[@daveh2612]

They were printing money with Hellcats. I have no idea what they are going to do now.

[@les_invisibles]

You guys are to cars what @FlossyCarter is to phones. I have absolutely zero interest in this product, but since you are the ones telling me all about it, I end up watching this whole video, learning something, and being entertained, whether I care about the vehicle or not. Thanks for always giving it to the people straight.

[@fabriziosalaro5984]

As an italian this car makes me sad. It was born as an Alfa Romeo; they want it to be an alternative to the germans (at least here). Lancia and Alfa (both in the fiat group) were ignored and left dying, ignoring the heritage and leaving the country uncompetitive in the automotive industry. Then they tried to make the Alfa comeback with the Giulia and the Stelvio, but kept loosing money until about a year ago, delayed the launch of needed products to actually make money and wasted the great Giorgio platform. They had to make the Tonale right, but it's not really up to the price. I am so thankful to you guys, because seeing how different your market is made me realise how much our government protected FIAT and how them, in return, kept giving us shitty cars.

[@jacopo952]

not to worry, you will get your Alfa Romeo models, only they will cost twice as they should and they are Maserati's now! I would have loved to see Alfa Romeo scale Giorgio down to a 2-door true coupe and up to E segment flagship saloons, but here we are.

[@KO-sx9uy]

An Italian Dodge, what can go wrong?

[@justinroberts-d4w]

Impressive cinematography capturing the beauty of these machines in action. A must-watch for any car enthusiast.

[@chrisedwards8391]

I was under the impression that the hurricane 6 was going to be incorporated into a sedan platform that would become their new performance car, as well as an ultra high output EV product. If so, that would a much easier transition. As at their core, I believe mopar people really want products that can go fast, sound good, and can be made even faster and louder

[@robo08ify]

The hurricane 6 is available only in the Grand Wagoneer at this time. It may be available in other vehicles later according to what I’ve seen and read.

[@davect01]

Interesting. I was expecting pure hatred but good to know there are some positives. After a previous Dodge that self destructed at $90k, I can't trust them but hopefully things get better

[@scottprewitt4712]

I can't speak to durability or build quality - but I had a few minutes in this car up in Wisconsin, and it was pretty darn fun for what it is. It's a lot more spirited than the typical CUV.

[@shaesham]

The fact that savage goose didn’t destroy this car means its fantastic.

[@speedfiend925]

Savage Geese: Is this going to be important to Dodge enthusiasts? Well they are going to find out. Me: Currently sitting at 600 days supply. Oh they are finding out alright. 😅

[@curtbrackenrich7883]

Careful not to fall into the trap of being critical for critics sake. This is a step in the right direction for Dodge, and I think it looks good, and thery were smart to use Alpha's architecture.

[@wilfloyd7635]

Thanks for mentioning the Tonale. When dude said in the interior segment that it feels like a European interior, my first thought was, "well, it's an Alfa, so yeah, makes sense."

[@ianfrederick3807]

This thing does 0-60 quicker than dedicated sports cars of not too long ago.. and nobody is really that phased by it. Makes taking off from lights embarassing for guys like me with older Honda piles.

[@ZEPRATGERNODT]

Don’t worry… owners will be taking off from the lights to repair facilities faster than you and in more debt. Your 0 - Pain times will be far better and you’ll be happy about it in the long run.

[@krzzzy19]

​@@ZEPRATGERNODTso much cope. Not everyone buying new cars is going to be buried in debt.

[@skateinspace]

from a quick google search around 100 million americans finance their cars so idk that cope might be reality

[@chm2]

I think Tesla numbed everyone from being impressed by straight line accelerations.

[@floridaman7]

@@krzzzy19 This is true. However, the owner will be upside down on the vehicle for the entire life of the loan.

[@lonewanderer3603]

Wait, so you have to fill the R/T with gas AND go to a charging station? The gas engine won't power the battery like a hybrid?

[@d4v33j]

Well, the little hornet logo emblem looks okay.

[@jduke989]

the reliability is the huge issue they've had years to fix this reputation and the consumer isn't convinced yet.

[@chm2]

Doesn't look too bad. Probably, most viewers of this channel are car enthusiasts. What car out there in this segment actually gets you excited? They will need to be extraordinary to convince people to buy this over the alternatives though.

[@wescoleman6390]

It looks like a Golf Mk VI with a lift kit. Which is a good looking small hatchback. I don't think it looks as good as a CUV.

[@Jazzmaster1992]

Depends on what "segment" we're describing. I'm hardly the most die-hard car guy out there, but I just can't get into every car being turned into an amorphous blob crossover thing. It'd feel less exhausting if it didn't just feel like a trend that every auto manufacturer has to get into, or else.

[@flurpoid]

Idk if any modern crossover gets me excited because the handling is just so bad. I'm not a track driver or anything, but a sedan lets me have a bit of fun in the turns when the time is right. I've driven plenty of crossovers and most just feel awful in a turn. It just feels like all the fun is sucked out of these things.

[@ebsupra]

Nice review from the Patagonia Partners. Seems like a step in the right direction at least.

[@efavuzza73]

Good review. While TFL reviewers had the hornet the cuv completely broke down. The hornet had to flatbed to dealer

[@ducktails1695]

And they also explained what happened and why it happened in another video. They also took a Mazda CX30 with the same exact test with same exact throttle input and guess what, the Mazda also lit the dash up with every error imaginable just like the Hornet did. Why does everyone who posts this never wanna say anything about that? The issue had nothing to do with the Hornet.

[@robsolf]

This used to be Dodge's schtick in the mid 80's and 90s'. You could get a V6 or turbo 4 in the Dodge Shadows which could do around 7-ish seconds 0-60. They've historically made some of the baddest sleepers out there.

[@evernhamanderson]

I really do nor understand the hybrid PHEV setup. What good is adding all the complexity, weight, charging systems, etc just to get an additional 30 miles of range. It does not seem to me that the tradeoff is worth it. WHY? So they can mask the necessarily underpowered nature of the ICE drivetrain?

[@AnkushNarula]

They catchup by building on competitors' prior generation platforms: buy up outgoing production line capacity and supporting supply chains, tweak/refine using latest tech/parts/materials, and add price competitive modern amenities. The market is efficient.

[@techpappee]

Dodge - ‘ they’re really trying’ should be the company motto.

[@Roddy451]

This review was so level-headed that I thought it was April Fool's. Take that, Mrs. Algorithm!

[@calebbean1416]

Why are we treating this like it’s a Dodge? It’s not a Dodge product. It’s just a Tonale with Dodge badging and slightly tweaked body panels and cut corners. The interior of the Tonale is literally identical.

[@bikeraaron]

Looks like they put a Jeep Renegade in a party dress and expect double the money for it. The chassis bits look identical. The Renegade was discontinued when this began production. I’m sure it’s a better drive and more engaging, but people are not that easily fooled. Looks to be an awesome $25,000 suv….definitely not $40k

[@daniellang6112]

Great video! Too bad they are piling up at dealers & not selling from what I've been watching😢.

[@maga5381]

It needs bigger paddle shifters!

[@jonesjones7057]

😂

[@walterbrooks3539]

They have to do that since they are not attached to the steering wheel like they should be. Not that anyone is going to be manually shifting this car.

[@FluffyNicholas]

Does Patagonia sponsor the channel? It seems like both of them are always in Patagonia outerwear. I love the brand, just curious.

[@ronforeman2556]

Boy, am I glad I had the foresight to snap up my 2022 Hyundai Kona N when I had the chance. After I watched your KZbin segment about the car and did the rest of my due diligence, I was convinced to buy one. (I think it was your giddy laughter that sold me.) My Kona N has it all over this "new" ZZZZ parts-bin Hornet. Hyundai brass should be spanked for deciding to kill the Kona N after just 2(!) model years (and not coincidentally right after "car Christ" Albert Biermann retired) in favor of some Seltos-esque electric version TBD. But I guess that makes me the proud owner of one of the last honest, affordable and relatively rare kick-ass ICE-mobiles.

[@krane15]

The Dodge nameplate is synonymous with aggressive power, historically from a big block. But as long it maintains that position among its competitors, the type of motor is uses becomes inconsequential. Anyway, I'll say this much for it, its a very well styled SUV. Not weird shaped with a lot of discontinuities and conflicting lines and curves like so many EVs these days. Not all of us want to drive around in a bizarre looking SUV that looks as though it was assembled from a hodgepodge of various car parts left over from past generations then patched together aesthetically like the Frankenstein monster. The exterior is sleek and the interior is well appointed for a vehicle of these category. The only things I would change is to add more colors and textures, and to relocate the shifter as they've become pretty much obsolete since everybody knows by now there's no direct connection to the gears. The would clear up an awful lot of much needed storage space in the center, especially in this compact SUV design. I really like their continued use of button (that a thing to mention nowadays), and the infotainment display is very well designed and at least none of the switches look cheap from a distance. If I were nitpicking, I'd ask for smaller bezels on the infotainment display.

[@donteadoss]

We have officially entered the modern-malaise era *cues Dodge Aspen* - God helps us all.

[@colin-nekritz]

My mom owned an 82 Aspen four door wagon, stick, with the slant six. I passed my drivers license first time somehow in that car. It rusted in two a couple years later. It was not a good car.

[@donteadoss]

@@colin-nekritz Absolutely - coincidentally, my mom owned both a Plymouth Horizon and Dodge Omni GLH, which I assume were “fun cars” back then since she raced Corvettes as a hobby, but given the myriad of options now versus then, and their more recent offerings, I’d expect Chrysler to have put out something much better during this transitional phase, than the Hornet.

[@TML34]

@@colin-nekritz you couldn't kill that slant 6 though. Mine started in -44 degrees...with a bit of "starter fluid". lol

[@Suction_]

I've only seen 2 of these in the wild, and one was on a rollback