Review | 2017 Kia Cadenza | Everything But Personality

[@Top5Depot]

I have the previous generation of this car with all the features you might think of. I bought it slightly used under 20k and still under full warranty. it still turn heads to this day especially after i put the Korean logos on it. it is a shame that most people don't even consider this car or the previous generation. it is truly mind blowing.

[@oscarh.v4951]

Im just worried about how reliable it is, or if it will get to 100k with out engine or transmission going bad.

[@powershin12]

@@oscarh.v4951 Don't worry about it. This car is widely used from taxi to family sedan and they are still going strong over 200k.

[@oscarh.v4951]

@@powershin12 okok good 👍

[@utterbullspit]

Well I'm considering it.

[@jaredshelton4718]

@@oscarh.v4951 I’m at 150k on my 2014 Cadenza. Not a single thing wrong with my car. Drives perfectly. I beat the living crap out of it too. I floor it all the time, whip it around corners, brake hard, it hasn’t given me any trouble.

[@jeffreysegal2065]

I think I like this car for all the reasons you dislike it. Kia has this low key style that I enjoy.

[@mrknowmyself]

Yeah! And no other car can replace it! I really appreciate that thing :)

[@Hallowsaw]

I really like newer kia and subarus. I refuse to drive an suv, waiste of space and handles horribly. I love the cadenza, stinger, legacy and regal tourx. I wish more wagons existed.

[@raversman]

I think Kia could really benefit from a logo redesign. They've come a long way.

[@Broba_Fett]

Brian Kerby I've been thinking the same thing. Wonder what it could be.

[@Starworshipper]

I think Kia has a new logo that's just a simple 'K' but it might be a 'Fanmade' logo, as the only way to get it is to purchase one and put it on your car.

[@Broba_Fett]

‹Neoka28› those are fanmade ones but they are simple but clean. When I first seen it I was wondering if KIA officially changed it but found out it was a custom badge.

[@ingram1225]

They actually have a different logo for the international market. North America market gets KIA.

[@ingram1225]

thanks. I guess I fell for click bait website. thenewswheel.com/behind-badge-kias-korean-logo-so-much-cooler/

[@shortstories3349]

I'm 24 years old, and I just bought the 2018 Cadenza Premium (300 miles on the odometer; almost $9K off MSRP). And I love it for the long ass commutes to work and around town driving. Thanks savagegeese, this video really helped in my decision making for my first new car. :)

[@Maxfli82]

Cross shopped a top of the line Kia Sedona against the Japanese competition and the Kia won on features and quality. 1 year later, super reliable and no major complaints. Used to be a Korean car hater. Not anymore.

[@Maxfli82]

@@christopher-gardner more reliable than my RAV4 was in its first year.

[@KC-up7hf]

That moment when the biggest problem is that the car is too good... Bravo, KIA.

[@kerozi58]

Your Channel deserves much more audience than has now. You are honest, direct and fulfilling than other review channels. I can't drive the vehicles you tested, but I know that even from the engine sound, automatic gear shifts the vehicle is just as you described. I am a fan over a year and looking forward to the next episodes. Hello from Turkey.

[@iunlock4261]

Definitely one of my favorite cars from Kia. It's soild and you're right... It feels much above its class. Great review(s).

[@radioactivegarage6967]

I really can't wait to see if you review the kia stinger gt twin turbo gt. I myself own a optima sxl from 2014 and I love it! the stinger gt can come with I upwards to 365hp with 0-60 times of around 5 seconds (claimed). Please try and review it! f.y.i I absolutely love your videos!

[@juanrayala]

I owned a 2017 Kia Cadenza and I love it! I think your review is spot on and I do have some same complaints. The only difference is that I love it low key style. With all crazy exterior designs on modern cars (Oversize grills, floating roofs, etc), this car uniquely stands out. In fact, I have gotten more compliments on this car than my previous and more expensive Acura and Nissans

[@ingenunis5003]

Juan Ayala 😃👌🏼

[@paulandrebeccak5680]

Love the new geese scenes! I have the Hyundai sister car, the Azera. Got it certified, a 2015 (refresh year) w/40k miles for $18k (almost half price from new). It was a rental car, but you'd never know it, it held up extremely well. True, it's not a passion drive (I've got another car for that), but it's got a good punch and you get spoiled by the luxury, quietness and refinement. You look forward to it because it's a nice place to be. Save tens of thousands and buy one of these, not a Lexus!

[@savagegeese]

+Paul and Rebecca K I think the Azera is one of the best looking Hyundais definitely better than the Cadenza have you enjoyed driving it so far?

[@paulandrebeccak5680]

Yes, it is a great highway cruiser! We took it to Houston (live by Milwaukee) and it is quiet, smooth and the seats are all-day comfortable (almost no fatigue). The Infinity sound system is great as well. The ride is more floaty than german (dialed in) for sure, but it eats up the miles well. It's also nice around town (it's quick, engine sounds good like you said) and trans is smooth (the old 6-speed).

[@andybub45]

Kia does it again! My grandfather bought a limited 2018 one a year ago and still loves it!

[@Travis-vl2sw]

I used to work at a Kia dealer and can say I would have never know about this car if that wasn’t the case. But for the current affordability of these 17 cadenzas nothing beats it.

[@annndddyyyy]

Really enjoying the consistent honesty across all reviews. Keepin' it real!

[@jimsbagels1991]

Love that spooky goose in the beginning

[@Sjrick]

Actually the biggest fault i've seen with this car that a ton of cars have but this one, is the full pass thru in the trunk. That little hole just cant cut it. I have driven this car and i fell in love with it, but as i get older i realize i don't use a lot of the bells and whistles. All i really want is - heated AND cooled seats, great sound system. AWD.. This doesn't have AWD or cooled seats in the base trim. Ironically the Forte Koup has cooled seats but it drives awful.

[@andybub45]

The technology trim in the middle has cooled seats

[@Darius123093]

It takes long to downshift because its making sure to not destroy the engine and trans its not marketed as a performance hungry stinger its a big luxury car.

[@devn3813]

Darius Hale then it shouldn’t cost as much as a stinger

[@MRTOWELRACK]

But then don't have a manual mode. I rather delete bad "features" (gimmicks) than tack them on.

[@coflyer2949]

@@MRTOWELRACK if you live in a mountainous state, you'll understand why manual mode exists. You can use engine braking and regular braking to keep the life of your brakes longer. It's not always a sporty feature.

[@wannabedal-adx458]

Agree with everything you're saying except the Kia Cadenza isn't in the luxury segment, it's in the large sedan segment. Maybe even the 'Premium' sedan segment, like the Buick LaCrosse or the Chrysler 300.

[@WKaliberr]

I agree with Mark's assessment of this car wholeheartedly. I own it and it's just a really great overall car but it is missing the X factor. That's fine for me though, I just wanted a comfortable everyday driver car and you get so much for your money with this car, its unbelievable.

[@JDubbs07]

lol at blurring the speedo. Gotta keep the haters off your back!

[@Kung.Pao.Kitty.]

beat me to it! LOL

[@bvedant]

While it may suck for those buying new this will definitely be at the top of my list for my next car since depreciation affects it so heavily

[@A_guan]

Can't wait for you to review the Kia stringer later this year!

[@CodenameRisenn]

I'd take this over any Japanese brand and BMW. Not quite the Mercedes or Audi level yet but Kia is getting there!

[@AladdinSaneNYC]

Madeline Monahan How do you know? Just because it's a Kia? Seems like you're a snob! ♐

[@dbear6148]

I like the new goose intro. Hopefully you shot that yourself to avoid future issues, unless someone decides to patent geese that is. Nothing is worse than an illegal goose!

[@johnr.5721]

Thanks for this. Your reviews are by far the best because you mix the good and bad and don't mince words. I share your prejudice for the V6 and a traditional automatic (or better a manual). Can we have a review of the V6 Camaro?

[@Oversight85]

RE-BRAND it and they will come! The Stinger GT is the most excited I've been about a car in a long time. Fast, attractive, affordable. On paper it makes zero sense to go buy an A5 Sportback or that slanty BMW 3 Series thing. I've driven "unique" cars all my life; I love what Kia is doing. BUT. Even I admit that the badge is a huge turnoff. I hate that I feel that way but I do. Toyota and Honda developed new badges to great success, and I hope Genesis works out for Hyundai. I think it's time for Kia to follow suit.

[@taishou94]

How the fuck have you not gotten a million subscribers? There isn't a reviewer who gives this amount of quality, detail, and unbias/bias information. Seriously your videos are too good. Can't wait till you do the 2017 Toyota 86 XD

[@aquaticko]

I sincerely think that the 3.3 V6 is one of H/K's best engines. I wish that they could do some work on the internals to raise the redline and get more power out of it. I know turbocharging is "the future", but we all know how most enthusiasts feel about turbocharging, and to see a high-revving NA V6 put into, say, the Genesis G70 Coupe in a few years would make me happy.

[@ThousanWhite]

Sat in this at an auto show the other weekend and I liked the interior better than the Genesis G80

[@ingenunis5003]

Charlie_Willie 😃....I liked it when it was EQUUS( it was much nicer, I thought).

[@MrAviator81]

I gotta tell you man...Your my favorite and go to channel for car reviews. Your unbiased, and give honest, and factual opinions, but my favorite thing you do in your reviews is throwing the car on the lift and explaining where the manufacturers cut cost ect. Keep up the good work!

[@mrk2ovtec]

your shortest car review

[@savagegeese]

+James Ortiz Filmed on Christmas...

[@brothermanv]

My heart sank and I shed a tear at 6:50, to be honest..

[@jasonyoung6420]

I can't imagine what made you.... NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! WHERES TURBOWSKI!!!!

[@fanh9287]

NO TURBOWSKI NO CARE

[@mrknowmyself]

Jordan Schlansky

[@Scott-xh7wd]

That's some solid content, sausagegeese!

[@Doriana806]

I'm really hoping that you will test drive the new 2020, and make comparisons. Damn your reviews are good!

[@Broba_Fett]

Do you think the Cadenza, K900 and the newly announced Stinger need to be in a sub luxury company within KIA? Some people ignore or over look them because of the badge.

[@brothermanv]

Personally, I think they need to nix the K900. It's more expensive than its twin sister, the Genesis G80 (and Hyundai Genesis), but it doesn't do anything better. I'm not sure why the Kia version is more expensive since it isn't part of a dedicated luxury brand like Genesis. It may make sense for Kia to launch a premium brand, like how Ford and Lincoln had Mercury. But, I don't see that happening, at least not anytime soon since Genesis was just launched.

[@UnitedRecording]

SKEMETUBE They basically did that with the new brand Genesis. I imagine they will kill the higher end models after this generation and they will be labeled Genesis.

[@ArseneLupin786]

Hi, the K900 is not in the same competition as G80. It competes directly with the G90. Personally, I am glad Kia didn't do a logo redesign (they need to defeat this stigma that has stuck with them). Also, Kia does not have enough resources at this moment to have a separate brand like Genesis for their luxury cars...Hyundai's Genesis was in the works for a while + Hyundai is a more successful company overall.

[@1969cmp]

Stinger, no. It is not about luxury.

[@cradlemonsterp9309]

love the jingle bell detail. very thoughtful!

[@MatadorCE]

Knowing someone that worked at Hyundai engineering here in the US, i'd have to disagree with you about the Koreans not being stubborn and listening. Their cars have improved partly because they've copied other automakers, which isn't necessarily a bad thing and is probably common in the industry. They made significant gains in terms of quality and looks and carved out their own piece of the market--no denying that.

[@savagegeese]

+MatadorCE I agree with some of that, and to a certain level Hyundai and Kia USA definately have some pull on changes to many things, I witnessed it with the Veloster, Sonata and Elantra first hand where lists of things owners wanted changed went into production. However core things like chassis and drivetrain I don't think it's as easy. Exterior design is likeley very rigid.

[@10tenman10]

I like the heated steering wheel feature. Probably don't need it much in Tennessee but there are a few days it would be nice.

[@adelalbashrawi4358]

I have to say that I realy liked yure progrmme, the way you talk, the way you present your ideas are all strait forward. every thing is simple, but thoutghtfull and creative. one thing I hoped you to disccuss, is when I buy this cadenza and use it for 5 years, and compare it with using say a v6 accord for the same number of yearse, how wil be the state of each car at the end? I mean, you kno how redged are Honda chassies at least when compared with other japanese and especialy korians. this addetional info can be v helpful to viewers like me.

[@thomasdonovan406]

I would never buy a car with a blurry speedometer. LOL

[@philipthomas6808]

This is Kia's Toyota Avalon fighter, similar quality and features but with a cheaper price, I'm considering getting one, but it's hard to ignore the resale value of the Toyota brand, I guess I will know after I test drive both of them and decide?

[@mfmf100]

Nice review - this car is very nice and good value. Personality will take time and may be found retroactively as it becomes more clear what a Korean car is in that sense. Would like to know your thoughts vs. lacross.

[@manbearpigonabike]

That car looks exactly how you would expect a Korean car to look like, its both a good thing and a bad thing.

[@ingenunis5003]

Yes-Great Review.....not many have I noticed on the roads~ would consider if good lease option available😬

[@DearMajesty]

How about that Kia stinger though?

[@savagegeese]

+MotoBoy Its going to suffer the same fate as K900 and Cadenza. They are taking what works in the Genesis but, Kia just is not going to pull the crowds from other luxury brand without rebranding.

[@DearMajesty]

savagegeese yeah agreed. honestly, the Kia logo itself could use a redesign. that itself, could be enough

[@principeraphael4859]

savagegeese Are they gonna drop the K900? When are you going to review the G90?

[@maximus9401]

I don't know why, but I feel like the Stinger might change that stigma. It's such an attractive car that it just might pull it off. At least I hope so. That turbo motor and drivetrain with LSD and RWD, attractive looks, decent interior, even a cool name (for what it's worth). I think it has what it takes as long as the transmission doesn't suck balls. I really hope that car does well, it really deserves to be given a fair chance.

[@Oversight85]

I truly hope so. I'm gonna test drive one for sure, see if it can lure me from my XE.

[@ingram1225]

Rev matching shifts? My 2011 Mazda CX-9 is near rev matching shifts in manual mode and spot on shifting in auto... If it was not for the shift number indicator on the dash, I would not know what gear I was in. Smooth.

[@Alex-di8ti]

No wonder big Kias are a popular choice for Minicabs here in London. Top Review !!! :D

[@trevorwynkoop8591]

I'm sure you've all noticed that he always puts a little nugget of humor into his reviews when he shows the infotainment systems.... So who does the phone number he types call?

[@stephanoya]

Piano gloss black plastic is the the chrome trim of the 2010's. They need to get rid of it.

[@ingram1225]

hey now. The Sienna and Odyssey are still trying to move past grey interiors of the 90s.

[@GrizzlyStoned]

Better than plastic fake wood trim.

[@thebza80]

A good video, but man, do I now realize how essential the Turbowski piece is to the rhythm of your work (and his intro music) -- we just needed, at least, a dash of your nuanced humor. Without it, this video was a bit like the Cadenza. Oh wait! I see what you did there; art imitating life, life imitating art...well played, sir. Perhaps a bit too avant garde for the unseasoned viewer -- either way, carry on with the commitment to excellence.

[@savagegeese]

+Justin Bates The tone of the video is deliberate, I am sure you caught it. But yes, the Turbowski parts change pacing and dynamic of most cars, its good to do videos without him to show it.

[@motopolak]

Have to ask, what made you change the opening (and closing) goose sequence? This new one is cool but I loved the unique feel of the original, with the goose looking into the camera.

[@savagegeese]

+Aleks Ulmer the short answer is two years ago when I started this I found some stock footage which I thought was royalty free and have been using it ever since. That was until the day the owner of the footage came knocking I'll just leave it at that. The new footage I shot in about 2 seconds just to replace it in the spring I will reshoot again.

[@motopolak]

Hmm the royalty game, that kinda sucks. At least this gives you a chance to make the new sequence creative! I look forward to seeing it.

[@AndrewTheRadarMan]

Is it worth getting this car or worth waiting for the Stinger?

[@Elusive25]

The old Cadenza has such a great presence

[@meathead585]

How does this KIA compare, back to back, with the Yardman 42 incher seen in the video ?

[@mattmolloy636]

I appreciate this car from a basic automotive standpoint, but I have no idea how this is supposed to compete from a marketing perspective. I can't come up with any legitimate reasons why someone would buy this over a Lexus ES 350. That said, I'm into the comfort that these big old plain vanilla mid-size sedans offer, and I'd love to see you review the new Buick LaCrosse and the Lincoln Continental.

[@WKaliberr]

I like your style bro, I have a 2017 Cadenza and I love it!

[@jacobrael9872]

How is the reliability?

[@bienvenu9582]

Jacob Rael very reliable. I own one too

[@WKaliberr]

@@bienvenu9582 how many miles/kms on it? what year?

[@bienvenu9582]

85.000 miles. it’s 2017 Limited

[@WKaliberr]

@@bienvenu9582 Isn't it a cool car!?

[@knightmarel]

It's almost March but the 2017 Cadenza is still not available in Canada.

[@richardprice8525]

Very good review about passion!

[@coureurdebois]

KIA have come so far

[@jawadqamar77]

Love your reviews! Can you do one on the Infiniti Q50?

[@ruzzelladrian907]

I'd love to see a photo of silver Kia Cadenza next to a silver Volvo S90 ❤❤❤

[@10tenman10]

I've had 2 Acura TLs and have not had any serious complaints so far. Is that what this car competes with?

[@savagegeese]

+10tenman10 I mean yes and no, at 40k its more full size like Maxima, Avalon but still going for entry lux cars like TLX etc.

[@SeleezSE]

Hey Mr Goose, are you going to review the newly unveiled 2018 Lexus LS500 sedan when it releases fall of 2017? I would love to hear from you especially the driving dynamics and mechanical Also, i wonder how Scott will react to the PREDATOR SPINDLE GRILLE that is even more aggressive than the RX350 F Sport

[@savagegeese]

+SeleezSE Yes I will do the LC and the LS for sure.

[@ThePistolier]

I would love to see you do a review on the k900, most reviewers compare it to the old american boats of the 60s-80s, but none of them review cars as good as you.

[@savagegeese]

+ThePistolier Already did K900, check it out.

[@ThePistolier]

Thanks!

[@mountainz123]

love your reviews!!! please do review on ford edge sport

[@diydrivenGA]

Mr Geese....I agree with most of what you're saying but feel Hyundai has been a bit stubborn as well with regards to their dedication to their 1.6T engine. I feel they should have dropped it and replaced it with their 2.0T especially in the Forte SX and Veloster Turbo. Their last entry into the hot hatch segment could have been competitive but was the size of the foST with te engine of the fiST.....I also feel they were afraid of the reliability of the platform and have since tuned down the turbo engines to get more mpg. Currently they all run rich as hell and any longterm casual owner can be spotted by their filthy bumper...

[@Promit]

"Everything but personality" - I thought you meant the car until I found out Turbowski's not here :(

[@K03sport]

do you see temps in colder climates, like the CHI area, as a negative to all of this LCD screen functionality? My phone hates it when it is 20*F outside, so a car cold-soaking for hours isn't going to fair much better. Hate to say it, but I liked this video not so much for the car, but for the lack of time spent in the shoppe. Nissan's and other makers' move to CVTs has us actually looking at KIA and Hyundai for out next vehicle. Maybe KIA's success will show that it is OK to give customers what they want/ask for...so I guess the consumer will have to look past the badge to make the Cadenza a success...focus on the car and not the badge

[@dontsub2me441]

Front looks great

[@WhereKevin]

How does it compare to their sister car G80?

[@caioronnau5226]

please do a review on the stinger GT the day it comes out... I am really curious about the stinger

[@savagegeese]

+Caio Ronnau Can count on it.

[@harryjones7516]

Which do you prefer the Maxima Platinum or Cadenza Limited-why

[@savagegeese]

+Harry Jones For interior and exterior I prefer Maxima, has more character. But the Kia is more refined, and the transmission alone makes it a better driving experience. Long term Id take Kia, short term Id do Maxima.

[@venzbasco2989]

Ill take maxima without a doubt..i i owned 2017 nissanmaxima and its fast and the x tronic cvt is smooth and sporty response and the v6 sounds great powerful..

[@Kung.Pao.Kitty.]

I want to see your review of their upcoming GT Stinger!

[@10tenman10]

Is this the Kia version of the V6 Camry, or is it more like the Avalon?

[@savagegeese]

+10tenman10 Avalon

[@larsinteriors9348]

love the canceled part

[@silentrefusal9911]

The big question is would you take it against the all new 2019 Avalon?

[@shortstories3349]

Hey man, I know it's been 2 years since you asked; but I finally have an answer for you (My dad has a 2019 Avalon, and I just got the 2018 Cadenza; practically the same car as the 2017 Cadenza). I've driven both of these for a good bit, and the Cadenza takes the win over the two. Even my dad was second guessing his purchase of the Avalon when he got to drive the Cadenza. :)

[@silentrefusal9911]

@@shortstories3349 thanks buddy, really appreciate coming here and giving your honest opinion. Have you by any chance test driven 2021 Cadenza? How does that drive and feel inside?

[@shortstories3349]

@@silentrefusal9911 No problem! :) Unfortunately I haven't, the dealership where I got my Cadenza didn't have any in stock yet. :(

[@silentrefusal9911]

@@shortstories3349 strange. They announced this 2021 model back in February I think. It's July already and they still don't have it. Considering Kia and Hyundai some time name their models with 2 years later (they announced 2020 Kia Soul in November 2018). 😁

[@TalismanPHX]

Cadenza is a Korean Buick, if Buick still built a LeSabre or an Electra 225. And everyone in America says credenza, like a piece of furniture. 😂😨

[@ingenunis5003]

Daniel Gross 😄

[@kylekaliszewski7869]

Spot on, I wanted another Park Avenue but I’m 26 and didn’t want to have an “old man” car anymore. So I got the Cadenza.

[@schwenda3727]

Did Kia ever address the infotainment sluggishness from the previous early-mid 2010's gen cars; BOTH Optima & Cadenza? Because I test drove both ones in EX form (both likely with ventilated seats optioned in) and the simple act of skipping songs on the ipod from a button on the steering wheel took a VERY long time to respond; I'm talking 6-10+ seconds, no joke. Could've sworn I tested BOTH bluetooth & usb to attest this, but this wad some time ago... I wouldn't care about this moderate irritance, but if I can make an ipod work to my liking in a 15-20 y/o car with a >$30 adaptor, why must the infotainment in something easily $15 g's lightly used but relatively new legit FUCK with me when I wanna do a very simple thing like that??? The whole seeing multiple last gen optimas with half-burned out LED taillights while driving around on top of the simy seeing how the car works in the test drive completely turned me off Kia despite me hearing Hyundai/Kia reliability is actually trending upwards right now & into the future...

[@brplatz]

What happened to the original intro goose? Poor guy got the boot

[@savagegeese]

+brian platzbecker The stock footage that was used I thought was royalty free, and it turned out to be copyrighted and I paid the piper when the owner came calling.

[@tdkleffman]

how does this car compare to the new lacrosse?

[@savagegeese]

+Troy Kleffman Need to get in new Lacrosse

[@boozer74]

Please do the new continental

[@JimmyFlanagan]

I love the new duck.

[@2cars10]

nice new intro

[@StevenCalwas]

Every car should have a blurry speedometer; it provides plausible deniability. And, WOW, all that snow from the Mazda3 review has already melted???

[@savagegeese]

+Steven Calwas Our weather is obnoxious, goes from -10F to 40F in one week.

[@wwalkerproductions]

Love my cadenza

[@Gillster9180]

Love the review but we need Turbowski please Turbowski!

[@GeorgeMcNally]

How to install a septic tank?

[@gsxellence]

Very focused.

[@jdsm2870]

Bought a 2015 Santa Fe 2 years ago. After 12k miles, needed engine replacement. Never again.

[@savagegeese]

+J DSM which motor?

[@Gillster9180]

i miss torbuski with the shop

[@dirpbirp6747]

My 2015 with Yokohama avid touring tires is like driving a Bentley sports car

[@Tripp55]

How dare you tease us with the Turb-ski

[@SeleezSE]

Haha. Scott got CANCELLED...by Mr Goose In all seriousness, the shop Scott works at is one of the best mechanics shops in all of Illinois

[@ChannelES]

Title says Cadneza

[@denniscottone1345]

Thankyou

[@denniscottone1345]

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[@denniscottone1345]

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[@denniscottone1345]

Dennis Whada i know thankyoi for all you Ouystanding reviews,programs and listening to my comcerns Again thankyou for your Outstanding programing, I very sincere

[@denniscottone1345]

Dennis

[@ingram1225]

Did you do a Sedona yet?

[@savagegeese]

+william ingram jr Yes indeed.

[@ingram1225]

Thank you for the reply. I found the video. Awesome reviews as always. I have tested them both, and as you said, each one fits a different type of need. I think I will go with the Pacifica although I like the exterior looks of the Sedona better.

[@viyau]

I hate infotainments. I would love the return of the simpler cars, like the older diesel mercedes or volvos that were rock solid and simple to fix and operate.

[@infiltr80r]

We are at the end of the gasoline engine era, that's why there's little to no excitement anymore. It's all been done many times over. Cars that are great but just "boring" are the cars you usually want years later. All the RS TypeR M3's won't be.

[@stevewise1656]

You didn't mention it offers CarPlay and Android Auto? WTF

[@manfredsmith8770]

I dont want a car with quirks. I dont want a car with personality. If that means it has problems... I want a reliable, smooth, no surprises car. If that means boring to you that is ok to me. I love boring 😉

[@cefeboru]

Hey, you wrote cadneza instead of cadenza in the tittle.

[@savagegeese]

+Cesar Bonilla Thanks!! CORRECTED

[@bryantaylor2427]

Hey, you wrote tittle instead of title in the commment.

[@daaaaaannnnnn]

Porsche macan anytime soon?