SAVATE vs. MUAY THAI (сават против муай тай).

Winner: A.Zankifo (KO) -
Alain ZANKIFO (savate) vs. NEUNGTRAKARN (muay thai)
Final du du grand tournoi 2002
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[@supergnc]

I love the precision of Savate's kicks. You have to be in tremendous shape to be proficient. And you have to be pretty damn tough. And I like the fact that Savate has stop-hit attacks with the feet that are effective. On the street, I think someone proficient in Savate would handle themselves really well. In a mixed martial arts bout, though, it suffers from a lack of one hit power. You can't take all day to pick apart your opponent when they can take the first shot and get you down.

[@HrHaakon]

If you want to go down that road, should we allow Savates' eye-gouching, throat crushing and ball smashing techniques as well? There's a LOT of Savate techniques that has gotten banned over the years.

[@Nostromo-Br]

just use coup de pied bas

[@sebaale91]

It's not the preferred but Muay Thai is much more famous then other arts like Savate or traditional Kick boxing. every art has its strengths and weaknesses, but the difference is made by the fighter. Im a Savateur but i also know how to throw knee and elbow strike, you don't need to study Thai to know how to do it :D Sorry for my bad english!

[@bool0101]

@Coleman234465 Muay thai uses kicks, punches,knees and elbows, kickboxing punches and kicks, savate uses punches and kicks, but savate is designed to use your shoe as a weapon (savate street fighting) so you kick with the tip of your toes.

[@DrMACPOW]

In a street fight, Savate > Lethwei > Muay Thai. Fusing Savate, Lethwei, and boxing into a martial art where low blows are allowed, and practitioners practice "iron crotch" to desensitize the weakest part would be a savage martial art.

[@vrodriguezj1ndustria]

El savate es precisión y el mhuai thai potencia

[@shlemahzel]

thank you for the precisions, i had heard of these roots-this is why i said "used as", instead of "created by".

[@АнтонАнтонов-ы4к7т]

Бой идёт по правилам К-1, если я не ошибаюсь. Так что, тут нет классических савата и тайского бокса.

[@Toxa827]

Ну да, на саватье даже обуви нет.

[@ЛордЪЦепешЪ]

И тайцу нельзя использовать локти

[@savate.moscow]

@@Toxa827 В итоге даже без обуви выиграл саватист.

[@Toxa827]

Победил сильнейший. Потому что саватист оказался хорош на руках, а тайцы из Таиланда боксёрской техникой никогда не славились, насклько мне известно.

[@Hamsterzilla1349]

Such moves exist in savate too, but you've got to level the ground somehow if you want fights with individuals from many disciplines.

[@supergnc]

Muay Thai's incorporates alot more knees, elbows and shins. Their kicks are also more of a swing for power, and are used alot to try and take out the legs. Savate is more like standard boxing, but using the feet as well. Their kicks are more snappy, and precise, as opposed to brute force. A Thai fighter can overwhelm a practitioner of Savate that's not very disciplined in movement, and a great Savateur can pick apart a Thai fighter who is wreckless.

[@erickjuanmelobastos775]

Tu as de raison. Moi, je pratique le Muay Thai ici au Brèsil , mais je pense que les personnes doivent mettre en savoir le kickboxing d'un façon général

[@veryatypical]

Actually the older form of Muay Thai, Muay boran, has those moves as well.

[@РусланДрегало]

Vivat savate

[@veryatypical]

Additionally the stance of Muay thai facilitates a fighter to close in on an opponent quickly for execution of clinches, knees and elbow strikes.

[@romainrousseau259]

Bravo Alain !

[@Petburg]

alain zankifo vs bertrand soncourt II

[@Dr-Grayson]

Your understanding of one art does not supplant understand of another. Until you practice both arts you are unable to give an informed opinion on both. You may be able to give your full experience with Muay Thai but unless you have practiced Savate you have no knowledge that is no vicarious. Cross train all, embrace all arts equally. No art is best it's what works best for you, but you don't know what works best unless you keep trying everything you possibly can.

[@shlemahzel]

yes, it was often used as a self-defence method for french aristocrats, or in any case a street-fighting style !

[@mnandor]

@lococavasa agreed...with experience u will stay more calm and in control.

[@engine2truck6]

These are good fighters.

[@Dr-Grayson]

It did not come from aristrocrats it came from thugs and sailors. Canne de combat came from aristocrats because it was outlawed to carry a sabre and the edited the techniques to suit a stick or a staff, that may be where your confusion is rooted.

[@kensakugawa6907]

Before 3 knockdowns the referee finally agreed to end the fight xD

[@IGOR_KIM]

Без обуви шансов мало

[@tde009]

Did they allow for MT to use all of its strikes? If they did then that's the only way I would accept mt got knocked out but if they did not allow him to use them then I'm still sure he would've won

[@Meithal]

kickboxing rules

[@Petburg]

alain zankifo vs murat comert

[@richrolls22]

did it look like the thai guy fell/slipped 2 any 1 and that the savat guy then took advantage of it, not critsising the win just sayin it looked alot that way 2 me...

[@ironjohn]

Muay thai uses the same kick in a bad fist fight and constantly. He is one-sided and therefore loses.

[@DedBomBimBom1981]

да таец был херовый откровенно(

[@Dr-Grayson]

Savate is street combat, the actual term is Boxe Francaise for sport fighting. Savate incorporates throws, knees, elbows, headbutts, punches, kicks, etc. Much more like Krav Maga, Jun Fan Gung Fu, or even Muay Boran the arguable more brutal style. Muay Thai is just as well a ring art, not like Muay Boran the more ancient more violent style. But when Muay Thai and Savate are fused it is nearly impossible to beat the practitioner. Elusivenss of savate power of thai.

[@nickreuter845]

I don't like how the savate fighter kept circling into other guys power. I feel like this fight would have been one sided if clinch fighting was allowed.

[@Nostromo-Br]

this is a stupid comment, you want that he just stay there taking punches like muay fighters usually do? traditional savate too have clinches, projections ,grappling and use knees, elbows, fingers and even the head to attack but this no sportive i think. you know nothing about kickboxing .

[@nickreuter845]

Please explain or direct me to where someone can explain the benefit of walking into an opponents power strikes.

[@Nostromo-Br]

its like kung fu, tkd and karate ,they dont circulate around the opponent they just advance and retreat

[@nickreuter845]

The Savate fighter in this video uses lots of lateral movement. Are you saying he circles into the roundhouse kicks because Savate doesn't train lateral movement, or that he circles into roundhouse kicks because it is preferable to exchanging strikes at boxing range? This fighter seems to have most of his success at boxing range and most of the punishment he takes happens when he walks towards the roundhouse kick or in the brief moment of clinching before the ref seperates them.

[@GameSteph]

Then you might as well allow clinch knees,elbows, and sweeps as well since those are all in muay thai then im pretty sure he would damn near kill that guy.

[@Nostromo-Br]

traditional savate too have knees, elbows and even the head use to attack but this no sportive i think.

[@GoofyCombat]

Should the savate fighter get his steel toed shoes too?

[@DrMACPOW]

@@GoofyCombat BINGO! You said exactly what I was thinking. Savate with steel toe boots would be the most brutal martial art in a street fight.

[@thuyvyxinh5000]

Limit Muaythai no knee no elbow

[@jodiesel1983]

most mma fans even don't know what muai thai is really and what is the art of muai thai they just think it is boxing with kicks pathetic

[@ЯалесейА]

Тайцю не можна весь арсенал давати...то фуфло....

[@Mrkaibasira]

どんなルールなんだろうか？ やっぱサバット側が靴なしだからムエタイは譲歩して膝も肘もなしなのかな

[@Dr-Grayson]

No such thing as best, it amounts to who practices it. And you're incorrect, most of those arts have just as many tools as Thai does, especially Sanda, Kyoksuhin, and Savate. Quit looking at one art and saying its the best instead study them all and understand them. Short sightedness like that ruins the martial arts community.

[@ケンシロウ-e2o]

サバット強い ムエタイ弱い

[@johnjordan6032]

This is not savate at all, he’s a kickboxer period and his abilities resemble that of a Thai boxer more than anything.

[@Nostromo-Br]

Alain zankifo clearly have a huge muay thai knowledge to , savate is only with boots ,with no boots the kicks are to weak ,is only regular boxing

[@ЯалесейА]

Не колін ні клинчу не локтів ...та в дві секунди помер би саватовець

[@Gui-Santos]

this shit is not real Muay Thai !! Ridiculous !!

[@pietromacarovpierremac4908]

Gui Santos no it's kick boxing rules!

[@Hamsterzilla1349]

Canne de combat just came straight from regular fencing, which wasn't forcibly an aristocratic thing during the 19th century in France (dueling was extremely spread to all layers of society, although it did have a special thing for the aristocracy and officers. Stick-fighting was common for the sword-lacking population).

[@Dr-Grayson]

Wrong, it's the known striking method. It's just taught more often. Check out Erik Paulson who teaches STX which is a Savate Thai crossbred art. Then maybe your understanding will grow. They each have their strength Muay Thai leaves you open for far more punishment which Savates footwork allows for better evasion and faster more elusive striking and the power difference when learned properly is minimal. And yes Thai has the clinch which is brilliantly effective. It's why I train both. Learn all

[@aiyer1989]

@julio26789 And the savate fighter has to completely adjust his kicks due to the abscence of shoes, both arts were at a disadvantage under this rule set.

[@bastiaan0741]

It exists. You are perfectly describing the original 'street' savate. If you google or youtube it, you will surely see some savate examples using elbows and takedowns.

[@nikola6527]

It was not in full muaythai rules but in kick boxing. Better for the savate boxer

[@julio26789]

muay thai without elbows and nee attacks suck.

[@Sluggecko]

@moxigen Right but fighters have style from their school, think it's difficult for muay thai fighter to accept his restrictions, french guy his just shoesless... Title must be change : kickbowing - savate style & muay thai style

[@duperronski]

won*

[@krisnnaabraham]

mua thai is more lethal and savate is too quick , i think that in a real fight or tournament quick is more important than power ---- savate always win because is too quick .

[@lococavasa]

It's kinda funny how you can look at a fight from the outside and think he should have done this when he did that. Fighters get all exited and sometimes lose there minds you need to fight intelligently to win it's not always about fancy moves just plain good reflexes and a calm mind in control can do.

[@moxigen]

no elbows no knees no boots not allowed to hold the leg... its not muay thai and not savate! its just kickboxing.

[@timothyedmisson7757]

Muay Thai would have one incase you didn't notice he was not allowed to throw elbows or use knees. There was a few clinches where he could have done some damage.

[@inthelight17]

one of the greatest savate legends vs Muay Thai /watch?v=YoyzUc7d_jE

[@HrHaakon]

Sure, but the point was that at some point you have to draw a line.

[@ЛордЪЦепешЪ]

Саватист нихуйственно так работает в клинче 👍

[@MrJobaadshah]

Cannot forget kyokushin..

[@tramonp]

Very well stated.

[@anokiashoora]

great video.

[@inthelight17]

Yeah Ok that Is a nice story bro.You are a liar and you got 0 zero Titles.I am Brazilian and been doing BJJ for 6 years and I got 2 state Titles In Brazil.You do not see me Insulting my own style when it opened doors for me.You are a liar and you do not anything about muay thai.Even Bruce lee acknowledged Muay thai as an amazing art.Go to Thailand and fight the best Muay Thai champions like Buakaw and than you can judge It.Training Is easy but fighting Is a different story.