I wish makeup brands would listen to us older women and make more mattes available in all different sizes.
@MaggieDe9 ай бұрын
I feel you, girl! It's frustrating when makeup brands don't even consider our needs. Let's hope they start listening to us older women and give us more options in matte shades. #AgeIsJustANumber
@wbl56499 ай бұрын
Layra Mercier is the best but I refuse to pay $30 for them. I just bought 2 Elf yesterday to try and they are going in the trash. They are too hard, Im nit going to be tugging that across my eyes. Trash but 5$ you get what you pay for. So, I am sticking with Julep. For the price I will compromise and use them, they work well enough.
@ShabamGram Жыл бұрын
I'm 50 and I have to say the best cream matte eyeshadows I've found has been matte lipsticks! They wear all day, they don't crease, they blend like a dream and they come in so many more interesting colors that typical cream matte eyeshadow sticks. Thanks for these reviews, I'm looking up the kiko milano ones now! :)
@Chris-Alia Жыл бұрын
What brand lipsticks are your favorite? Lipsticks on my lids seem to always “bleed” and not set well or last
@ShabamGram Жыл бұрын
@@Chris-Alia Honestly, I use any brand. I have several from boxy charms that I've received over the last year. I just make sure to put them on my dry skin, no primer/concealer. I've never had any issue with them bleeding or not setting. I do think if you have oily eyelids then it may not work, because the oil would break them down. :)
@HighSierraDawn9 ай бұрын
Oh wow. I wish I had known this before I threw all of the weird brown lippies Boxy sent to me. 😂@@ShabamGram
@kj8142Сағат бұрын
Thanks for the tip!
@bibibia41311 ай бұрын
I have been wearing the Kiko sticks for years now. I live in Germany and here you can find the Kiko stores in every larger city. I love them and a lot of other things from Kiko. Thanks for this interesting video.
@MaggieDe11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@cindyduhon13432 жыл бұрын
I’m 67 and I love the Maybelline color tattoo and the Revlon colorstay. Both are in the little round pots.I’ve tried so many sticks and not had much luck. I’ll have to try the LM one though. Thanks for doing this!
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Hey Cindy, I really appreciate your feedback, I think sharing our info and tips is the only way we can figure out these products - there are SOOOO many! Which I guess is a good thing in a way, but also expensive to have to try so many ... Keep your receipts !!
@tonifonseca9178 Жыл бұрын
Julep works very well for me stays well for me with oily eyelids and I do like shimmer at 58 years old lmao
@R.K.777Ай бұрын
I love Julep, they work great for me also!
@KBarone-f4s Жыл бұрын
I Love MAC cream pots! On sale they are about $17. Totally worth it. I have dry eye disease and my eyes water with everything else i tried. With MAC no watery eyes!
@claire-amel2 жыл бұрын
Yes! When you started talking I thought "Bobbi Brown and Laura Mercier!" my favourites, hands down.
@bgtsy4 ай бұрын
Love that you wiped at them to see the staying power! Don’t see many do that and I’m over here like “wipe it for me!” Thx for sharing!
@user-oz7he9du4s3 ай бұрын
Hi there Maggie I've just found your channel and I'm so glad I did. I'm 58 and have all the usual issues that people of my age have. It's so refreshing to have a more mature outlook from yourself. I love the way you deliver your honest opinion . You're very easy to listen to. Thanks
@over40nfab23 күн бұрын
Time stamps are great - solid content - thx
@emp22912 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I feel the same way about those shimmery colors. I see people doing one and done videos with sticks and think I'd love to do that but I need matte! You'd think BB and LM would understand since *they're* in our age group! Looking forward to your application video.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! We NEEN out mattes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@jayhulrs1435 Жыл бұрын
Love your hair
@seanadean4244 ай бұрын
So glad I found this as I've just started the cream eyeshadow journey!
@Yasco-de-Jp2 жыл бұрын
I use quite a few drug store stick eyeshadows and all of them stay put on me if I use eyeshadow primer and set it well with setting powder. Also, after putting cream eyeshadows I sometimes put setting powder only so slightly all over to avoid fading. I have monolid hooded eyes.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
These are excellent tips, thank you Yasco.
@daphne4983 Жыл бұрын
Did you put anything on your eyelids before the eyeshadow sticks? Body lotion on your arms?
@tammyknibbs8496 Жыл бұрын
This was very informative. Thanks much! You are so gorgeous!
@TamarasTimelessBeauty2 жыл бұрын
Great Video! The only drug store eye shadow stick I have tried is ELF and I so agree. Now I don't have to waste my time on those others...so thank you for trying them so we don't have to! I agree on LM, BB and Nude Stix...all good. I have the same Bobbie Btown set as you showed and I love it...so pretty. Kiko Milano here I come!
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by Tamera. CONGRATULATIONS on your retirement. I am so very happy for you.
@bethreed28125 күн бұрын
I have small hooded eyes and oily eyelids to boot. I don’t care for them because I always feel them on my eyes and they crease within a couple of hours. I still like powders.
@LayaCenter Жыл бұрын
I was laughing when I saw Kiko Milano because anything made in Italy is high quality. I use the line - they are not as metallic as you would fear...They also have shadow mousses that don't move after application. It's a fabulous line and if you are into natural products they also have a line. Drugstore price but def high-end quality. This was a great video!!
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I want to try more from the brand.
@tedoymisojos2 жыл бұрын
I always wear the Elf ones as a base for powder eyeshadow on the outer corners, and they work great that way. Thy do increase longevity. Too bad they didnt work for you on their own. Thanks for the comparisons!
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Great tip! I just bought the new elf matte sticks to try, they seem to work just a bit better for me but I haven't completely tested them yet.
@TheSheilagilliam9 ай бұрын
I love shimmer and I am 66. Love Mally an that is where I started my love for makeup sticks. Covergirl use to sell sticks for about 6.00 that was great also. Thank you
@MaggieDe9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@christineabedini3765 Жыл бұрын
This was a very helpful video because I’m new to using cream shadows. I’m 72 years old. Have some hooding and creepiness. This is so super helpful. Thank you.
@kidges31322 жыл бұрын
Hey Maggie! You just showed up on my feed and I’m so glad. I’m always looking for new KZbinrs but I have difficulty finding them. I love cream shadows so this is really helpful.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for finding me !!!
@donnagerhart1273 Жыл бұрын
I love the Laura Mercier cream shadows. Mally also makes some good shadow sticks and those don’t budge.
@TarotFox5 ай бұрын
ELF works for me! Love them.
@jacicovington89826 ай бұрын
Just the information I needed. Thank you so much. I think you have also found the exact lipstick I have been searching for. I'd be forever in your debt if you would share the color and brand. Thanks again. Looking forward to watching the rest of your reviews!
@kj8142Сағат бұрын
On your recommendation I order some Kiki Milano from their website. There seem to be more matte shades there. I’ve tried several- and I really liked the Sephora brand but they seem to be discontinuing it 😢. Julep was horrible! Fingers crossed for Kiko!
@tammycase33352 жыл бұрын
I love the wet and wild stays put blends great doesn’t crease and so much pigment
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
The wet and wild brand continues to amaze me. Thanks for commenting Tammy, I appreciate it!
@nataliah4478 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏I really appreciate that you focused on what matters - how well it holds, how fast it sets, how creamy it is, does it highlight texture. Ooh and the swatch sheet!!! 🙏🙏🙏
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome! Thank you for commenting!!
@SuperCastilloe2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to try Kiko Milano but they don’t ship to Canada 🇨🇦 and neither does Ulta 😿 Laura Mercier are bangers 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Bangers !!!!!
@skateata13 ай бұрын
Thank you for the time stamps! Those are so helpful.
@HighSierraDawn9 ай бұрын
Another eyeshadow stick you might try is by Mally Beauty. Her shadow sticks are every bit as good as my favorite Bobbi Brown, and Laura Mercier. Truly budge proof.
@MaggieDe9 ай бұрын
I have heard nothing but good things about the Mally eyeshadows. I will have to try them, thanks Dawn.
@marubeltrandelrio8636 күн бұрын
For me the best are from bobbie brown 🥰
@vernabailey36712 жыл бұрын
Just watched your video. So helpful. Kiko Milano on sale right now, but without some mattes….ugh! I did get 2 just because of the price and I like a tiny bit of shimmer sometimes. Nice review.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Those mattes!! If a company would produce a full range of matte sticks in all the colors We would buy them!!! Oh well, I hope you enjoy the Kiki Milano stick! Thanks for stopping by my channel.
@ginnyburley95522 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried several eyeshadow sticks too and mostly can’t get them to look very good on me. My eyelids have a fair bit of darkness, so maybe that’s why the shades don’t show up much at all. Anything gray based just makes things worse. I think probably my favorite so far is the eyeshadow sticks from Beauty Pie. They have good pigment and enough shimmer to bring a little life to my eyelids.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
I have heard nothing but good things about the beauty pie sticks. I’m the same way with gray shadows, I thought I would like them since my hair is gray now, but they don’t look very good on me.
@mandiwolfe6631 Жыл бұрын
I'm in my late 40s and have been very impressed with the Julep eyeshadow sticks. They're waterproof, have never creased on me, and they last until I remove at the end of the day. Jukep seems to consistently have sales. I have super dry skin and don't use an eye primer. They dry to a powder finish on me fairly quickly. I bought directly from their website during a 40% off sale. Maybe the ones you got from Amazon were old batch?
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!! I’ve been thinking about trying them again - I know they are very popular with a lot of cream eyeshadow wearers.
@Risamama-18 ай бұрын
Julep sticks did not last at allllllll on my eyes! Tried with and without primer!
@marciamatteini7604 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your review. I will spend more for the best. ✝️☮️
@kosmosbjm8 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that Laura Mercier Caviar Stick is less dry than Bobbie Brown, so it gives you more time to blend and the tube doesn’t dry out. I’ve had BB tubes dry out for no reason, so I’m sticking with LM.
@mariav.4832 Жыл бұрын
Big fan of it Cosmetics super Hero no tug Shadow Sticks. I have older greasy droopy eyelids and these Sticks stay put for a very long time. Even without primer. Easy to use. Blend well. Nice to combine with matte and perl finish. Beautiful colors that you can combine well Not cheap but really worth the price. Love them!
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
I agree!
@bxgal3472 жыл бұрын
Hi Maggie I got the elf ones but the ones that come in black packaging and they work good and have u tried mally.??? Hers are fantastic too. I was obsessed with shadow sticks this spring and collected quite a few and I love them all. They don’t move and it’s great for us gorgeous. Ore mature women embracing our fine lines and wrinkles. Tfs love ur channel
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I remember seeing Mally in either Ulta or Sephora years ago and thought she had some very unique products. I hope to be able to check out her stuff again in the near future. I watched her on QVC a few times as well.
@KBarone-f4s Жыл бұрын
Oh and i’m 57 years old, plus with MAC you get alot of product for the money
@g.e.14326 ай бұрын
I really like the Sephora waterproof cream liner and shadow.
@Cherylebreaux2 жыл бұрын
Great video but I wish you would have swatched them or even showed your wear test on your arm. I've been wearing a lot more cream and liquid eyeshadows too.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I definitely should have done that, maybe I can make another one with swatches.
@campergal6140 Жыл бұрын
The elf ones are fantastic- I don’t think you’re using them correctly. I always use a primer and set with a powder. They last all day!
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
You are so right. I really need to take some time and make an updated video. I have pretty good luck with the elf sticks as long as I use a primer first. I feel bad for trash, talking him so much back then thank you for taking the time to comment!
@pinkipink36369 ай бұрын
Lancome sticks r great!💖
@shannonwhite7605 Жыл бұрын
As always, thanks doll!! Im just now realizing I don't need all these beautiful eye palettes that are EVERYWHERE!! Yes, they're gorgeous... but not on my 54 yr old eyes! 😊👀♥️ I got the same Laura Mercier caviar stick in my birthday gift from Sephora & its not the best but I did love the loose setting powder from her... its beautiful as long as I use my Neutrogena Hydro Boost setting spray over-top of it!! You just saved me some 💰💰💰 and I appreciate you!! 💟💞💖😘💋💄👑💝💎🎀👏🏻 *edit... the Kiko Milano ombre blushes are heavenly atop cream blush!! Some of their products are good, some 👎🏻 its hit or miss!!💜💜💜
@debbieculley7532 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honest review of cream eyeshadow sticks. At 67 years old, my eyelids are dry and I am thinking I need to switch to cream shadows. I tried Laura Mercier and Nudestix and thought they were both too dry. I think Bobbi Brown might work.
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@nelliesmile3872 жыл бұрын
Maggie, awesome video about cream eyeshadow sticks. I never tried elf, nyx, etc. Maybe because of my favorite and is made by Revlon, one stick with 2 colors, one end is kinda deep brown and the other end shimmering light brown. Just beautiful and used it as a touch up, weekends or on the run. I actually used it up. I'm not sure if they still make them. I also have a 4-cream compact by Revlo and use it on the go. I just received a Laura mercier eyeshadow stick in a gift sample. I think I like it. Interesting, I have all kinds of Bobby Brown products and not that. Thank you for your demo.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
thanks for stopping by Nellie! I have seen that 4 color cream Revlon compact but haven't gotten a chance to try it yet, it looks good tho.
@AtnaMitchell2 жыл бұрын
Try again, but prime your eyelids. I use a dab of concealer and then I set it with powder. I've never tried anything from Kiko Milano, didn't realize they were so inexpensive. Great video!❤
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Hi Atna, I will do this, I might have to do a "correction" video of the drugstore brands if this helps me. I have the urban decay primer so I will test it as well as concealer plus powder (which seems to be exactly what urbay decay primer is made from) .... trying the Julip with primer underneath today!
@dianevitale1214 Жыл бұрын
I use an eye primer than a light powdering for my old wrinkled eyes. Much better results adding powder. I do think I might hunt down a silicone primer which doesn't have crepey showing, or best it can be.
@Dolce_vita84 Жыл бұрын
Hi I like your review and also your hair Color and shiny skin ❤️
@zozel772 жыл бұрын
Hi Maggie, very helpful video for us mature ladies 👍 Thanks for trying all these eyeshadow sticks for us, really appreciate it. I only have one matt stick from laura Mercier in cocoa and I’m really happy with it. I would love to get more colors but they are quite expensive for me. What color is the Mac paint pot that you’re using? This I would like to try ❤️
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
the MAC paint pot is painterly - they have several matte neutrals so I actually tried them in person at the mall before buying one. Painterly is a neutral pink. I like it alot as a base and also as a No Makeup Makeup Look. Also it hides one very obvious blue vein on my eyelid that drives me nuts under eyeshadow! Thanks for commenting, I appreciate it.
@zozel772 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieDe Thank you for the answer. I think I have the same skin tone as you but it’s so difficult to choose the right colours from the internet…🤯 I live in a small Greek island….no big stores around! This is super helpful, thanks again 🙏😊❤️❤️
@voulap17822 жыл бұрын
Thanks Maggie really appreciate your reviews they help us out a lot . I don’t wear eyeshadow however I would like to try something simple like one of those sticks. I’m gonna try to order the Milano Kiko stick one to bad I’m in Canada and can’t take advantage of the U.S affiliate codes🥲 Have an amazing day see y soon !🥰
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
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@shawnmomof25 ай бұрын
I have been trying eyeshadow sticks too. The elf ones I got from Ulta were dry and the shimmer one didn't show. My stilla ones don't dry down either and I have gold and red from Ulta. Im excited to try the kiko ones
@SleepyHollow19742 жыл бұрын
I where Laura Geller’s liners and shadow sticks. Yes they lastI I love her stuff.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
good to know Joanne, I will have to give them a try, I love her baked blush !!
@AliIceArtStudio3 ай бұрын
I love the shimmers honestly (almost 53) --but I DO appreciate these reviews. I found the Bobbi Brown was hard to move for me? Maybe it dried out. I love the Kiko - it has not dried out - I just wish the colors were a bit bolder (I need bold for dance shows!) I'm going to check out the Nude stick! I just can't afford the Mercier.
@mbr1453 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your video. Please try VIEVE ! Her eyeshadow sticks are top notch.
@kimvillasenor32 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video! Love your earrings 😍
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! 😊
@jo8726t2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I tried NYX and it wasn't very good. I agree we ladies over 55 or more don't need shimmer!
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!
@suzannek4942 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great review. Lots of great info.
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@cjzumbado3 ай бұрын
So helpful thank you!
@SleepyHollow19742 жыл бұрын
Great video! Not sure if you know this but you can take back the cream eyeshadow sticks to Ulta. They take them back used as long as you have the receipt. I’ve done it before.
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip! That is good info.
@elizabethsteen5812 жыл бұрын
Hi, Maggie! Did you try any of the drugstore shadows with a primer on your eyes or just your arms?
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Hi Elizabeth, I’ve had a chance to try them all with primer now. My personal fav is KIKO Milo o sticks for longest wear time. I saw another KZbinr comment that she actually likes the NYX because they are so sheer and subtle - opposite of me but if you want a very sheer wash of color they might work well. I also have pretty good luck with the Revlon in the glass pots.
@bxgal3472 жыл бұрын
And girl I also am a lover of eBay!!! I have found high end makeup there and wow the prices are phenomenal
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
so true
@debbieculley7532 Жыл бұрын
I also find high end makeup on Ebay, some in sample sizes. That's often how I try different brands.
@calliopelove Жыл бұрын
great, thank you!!!!
@cynthiatenorio9842 Жыл бұрын
I just found you & I’m glad I did!
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Hi Cynthia, thank so much for letting me know. It is very encouraging to me to hear that people are still finding my channel !
@kimfromarkansas20842 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for Maggie for your honest opinion. You’ve saved us lots of money. I love cream eyeshadows in the pots I’d like to try the Kiko. Happy Thanksgiving 💕💕💕
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Hope your Thanksgiving was good too. It's monday morning now when I'm writing this .... back to reality ... and back to more healthy eating for me - so hard for me to get back on the wagon after a big holiday.
@VHPINC2 жыл бұрын
Lancome also makes some cream eyeshadow sticks which aren’t bad. I haven’t tried to Laura Mercy but a sales associate at Ulta mentioned that they dry out faster than they would’ve liked. The Bobby Brown I’ve had for longer than I will say and they are still just fine, just saying. Also, the cream eyeshadow paint pots wondered how you felt about those?
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
Hey Yvonne, I do like the pots quite a bit too, I have a lot of the Revelon pots. I also like the MAC but they are more expensive of course.
@dianevitale1214 Жыл бұрын
Good timing watching your video again. TYVM Had ordered some on Amazon yesterday and just went into my order and cancelled two sticks. Very frustrating few good cream mattes and have to go to high end. NYX jumbos I have of many. BIG waste of money and to top it very little product. Just subscribed. You do such an excellent job, gal. 😄😄
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Hi Diane, ironically just this month I found a way to make the NYX work for me - with the milk brand eye primer … I am going to do an updated video on this soon… but still it would be better if they just worked with our having to jump through hoops to use them …
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
And thanks so much for subscribing and leaving a comment!!
@miava10314 ай бұрын
Victoria Beckham un caramel. Nothing works better. Once you try it you’ll never go back. It gives you a beautiful elegant finish and last forever!!! The cheap ones don’t last in the end you end up spending almost the same money lol Better to have one good quality product than having tons that give you a cheap look.
@Indigo11Love6 ай бұрын
Hi...I just saw your other video on the Laura Mercier Cavier Mattes yesterday....and I also remember having 'Cashmere' in a Mini...and I also loved it....but currently RIGHT NOW...I cannot find the 'Cashmere' color anywwhere ; as it is out of stock everywhere i looked. Maybe i need to check Ulta ...I don't think i checked there. ok..if u see this....let me know if u see the 'Cashmere' shade from Laura Mercier anywhere..thank you. !!!
@MaggieDe5 ай бұрын
I’ll keep an eye out for it - if I see one for sale I will let you know
@lulu2333454 ай бұрын
where are the swatches?
@SmallFry9006 ай бұрын
Yeah, the NYX are not creamy nor longwear. Though they do have good color payoff.
@catherinecastle93766 ай бұрын
You didn’t try Thrive brand, work well for me and I have very droopy hooded 63 yr old eye lids
@beth8678Ай бұрын
Did you use a eye primer under the elf no budge eyeshadow sticks?
@MaggieDeАй бұрын
I didn’t use one for these, but generally, I do use a primer when I have time. I like the one from alter ego a lot. I also like one from essence it’s very very affordable.
@theworldisavampire33466 ай бұрын
Kiko Milano. Half the price of Laura Mercier, Bibbi Brown & Thrive. And ten times better
@vivakris Жыл бұрын
Have you tried the RealHer at Costco??
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
I haven’t tried them yet, you’re the first person to tell me about them. They look interesting on the Costco website. We are not members of Costco so I won’t get to try them anytime soon. But thanks for telling me about them!
@auntiedramey38552 жыл бұрын
Great! did you use a primer? paint pots maybe to creamy for a primer:)
@MaggieDe2 жыл бұрын
I didn't use a primer, such a dummy!!! I didn't even think of it because I just mentally think of primer for powder shadow. Anyway, I'm going to retest them all with a primer and see what happens, I'll make a new video with the results.... maybe after Christmas though, it's a busy time of year.... Thanks so much for commenting.
@auntiedramey38552 жыл бұрын
@@MaggieDe Have a Great Thanksgiving!!!
@Aem640 Жыл бұрын
This is off the subject but do you review handbags? Thank you.
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Hi Ann, no I don’t review handbags, I used to be really into them but now I carry “durable” crossbody bags most days because I live in a rural area. (Dirt, dust,etc)
@CathareneYoung7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video but I disagree with you. I use the elf mint melt sticks and they last all day. Maybe you need a lid primer. Also you could improve your presentation to camera. Hold the product still and use only your fingertips. Product should face camera. Good luck.
@MaggieDe7 ай бұрын
Hi Catharene- Thank you for taking the time to leave a comment. All opinions are welcome. I appreciate your feedback!!
@Sunshine-ty7mm Жыл бұрын
`Please consider cruelty free brands like Ilia, Charlotte Tilburry, Smashbox, Danessa Myrick etcetera.. Mac and Revlon and Boobi brown are not beautiful brands..they are ugly brands...
@MaggieDe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your recommendaitons.
@patear599 ай бұрын
I wanted so bad to like this video, and I'm 65 so yeah cream better on eyes with shimmer. But the rambling on, stop and go, eye glasses on and off. Kind of annoying. had to fast forward quite a bit. surprise, once again kind of annoying.