Saw: The Complete History of Jigsaw | Horror History

[@CZsWorld]

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[@TheGamer2kplays]

Do Jason voorhees

[@RedPepsi22]

Do Horror history Cecil Adams

[@bartendersmr4160]

I dunno if i should do it or nottttttttt

[@jeremygrahamjg]

U are so dope for your breakdowns thank u i love thinking keep it up cant wait to see more and how u keep getting better much love from philly💯✌🏾

[@billyjames8381]

That was a fricking awesome episode thanks for all your hard work and research mate

[@edoardocaprara3676]

Love or hate this saga, we can all agree on one thing: Tobin Bell did an astonishing acting performance playing the Jigsaw killer. Felt like he was a real killer and they made a movie saga about him.

[@mala6238]

Agreed.

[@logandillon4095]

bUt He'S nOt A kiLLeR

[@youtube-kit9450]

The movie series never would have been as successful without Tobin Bell as Jigsaw showing up in every installment.

[@RileyWhiddenIsArguablyInsane]

absolutely. bell's performance absolutely sells kramer as a psychologically flawed, but entirely plausible person. call me morbid, but it's the human monsters i find myself enjoying to watch the most.

[@bradmerilic6848]

Well, Tobin isn't exactly new to this whole acting gig. He started in '79, and he started getting credited rolls in '88 it looks like. Sadly he just hadn't really hit it "big" until his 60's.

[@maxweII_demon]

so glad Tobin Bell stayed through all of the saw movies, wouldn't have been the same without him

[@lindseybethea6979]

Before saw, he was type cast a psycho in several movies. All small parts. It's a shame he didn't get major roles until the 2000's.

[@laalaag2auntyayag776]

@@lindseybethea6979 You're right, he was a psycho in Malice- a brilliantly clever 90s movie, but it was a small part

[@anam1790]

Slayed*

[@stinky1426]

Read this TWICE as “Taco Bell” and was very confused 😂

[@trackerjacker0013]

He is “Jigsaw”. Much like Robert Englund was for Freddy. Only Tobin bell could be John Kramer. Master thespians and horror icons.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

It's all fun and games until you forget to recycle and wake up in one of his traps.

[@bahahgriswold8496]

Do u ever sleep?

[@dakotajensen181]

Whoops, didnt pay your water bill? Welcome to my new trap.

[@jacobminster5793]

Old lady tripped and you didn’t help her up? Welcome to the game.

[@theidiotnamedjay5501]

My man

[@truvy_5544]

*Forgets to cover nose while sneezing* “I wanna play a game.”

[@StuckonStupid84]

One thing that I love about the saw franchise is that despite the flaws in his logic among other things, he never really loses. He's always plans ahead even in death. Even if something does go astray, he has a backup plan for it.

[@dunkangasafaraway]

this! 💯

[@angeloh58d]

Yea fr because usually the killer always loses they need to make more movies where that doesn’t happen

[@valenciageode25]

Kinda like a Xanatos Gambit (unsure how to spell it). Exactly like that, actually. John had backups and backups for the backups.

[@zacharynaragon7313]

It’s interesting how John can’t see that Amanda is following his exact footsteps, with her believing in his philosophy in the beginning, but becoming more sadistic over time as they do more and more games.

[@aaroncoats1555]

@@Betrayed_King she was still setting up unwinnable games which even though John is fucked up he gives u a chance to survive but she didn't give u a chance to survive is y he did to her what he did which in his mind made since even though he was still killing people like she was just some survived and some didn't

[@jgraninger5748]

To be fair, he ends up with like 4 or 5 other discount versions/accomplices he has to watch..

[@0TheJigsawKiller0]

@@aaroncoats1555 some of jigsaws traps were unwinnable for some. for example in the 3rd movie every single trap can only be won by jeff (the guy whose son died in the car crash) so the people in the traps didn't really have a choice whether they wanted to live or not. with the 6th movie, in every trap, someone has to die (the smoker guy in the rib crushing trap, the guy with no friends or family in the hanging trap, 4 out of the 6 people on the carousel trap). some of jigsaws trapped were rigged so the people in them had no control over whether they live or die, or someone HAD to die, which goes against everything he says he stands for

[@aaroncoats1555]

@@0TheJigsawKiller0 that wasn't john though that's why she got tested by John herself bc he always gave u a chance to live but she didn't amanda even was fuckin with the first teat we got to see but John didn't know yet then when he knew what she was doing he put her in another test

[@aaroncoats1555]

@@0TheJigsawKiller0 and in that John was judging them not that it was right but he was giving Jeff the chance to save them or take his revenge and slow ass motherfuckin jeff was just to slow to save them ps. if ur a fan of DEAD MEAT then u know y I called Jeff that

[@mr.froglegs]

Its legitimately horrifying to learn that he had almost all of those victims in his plans years before. They were fucked and they didn't even know it.

[@kone7549]

@Aaron Uzcategui The *W H A T*

[@norab5]

@@kone7549 Brain eating *amoeba* . The name is _Naegleria fowleri_ . Good luck enjoying a swim after you Google it.

[@t.dominey4150]

@@kone7549 eh, they basically only exist in one pool in New Zealand with the exact right circumstances

[@pedestrian_0]

@@t.dominey4150 that's not true i saw an amoeba jaywalking the other day!

[@AntdaGreat]

@@vegeta1885 😟

[@jonvia]

The actor who played John was a PERFECT CASTING!!! He gave that creepiness that we needed from a guy that created such weird shizzeruski.

[@marthastone4754]

Tobin Bell was the best casting for Jigsaw indeed.

[@totterdell]

Tobin bell crushed it as jigsaw

[@CeltycSparrow]

He reminds me a bit of Anthony Hopkin's Hannibal Lecter. He's definitely a villain and a killer.....but there's a certain honorable quality to him. He believes in manners and rules.

[@mikepastor.k6233]

He was a real creep in the Fugitive'.

[@jaydee4861]

The one issue i had was he was too old for the character's age, if they made him in his 60's it would be better, and if Jill and him had an actual kid who was grown up and killed as an adult by Cecil, it would make more sense to me, but that''s just my thought

[@synthiandrakon]

Its funny how arbitrarily he chooses his victims, like in the first tests one of the victims is a woman who killed her own baby and blamed her husband and later he's killing people who didn't give him good enough customer service. Jigsaw is the ultimate Karen

[@86Kera]

And the woman for being depressed

[@firemaker1258]

He picked William because William refused insurance to many people, not just him.

[@divaalfirman3295]

I'm assuming you're referring to the insurance guy. Bad customer service is when a server brings you the wrong food. This guy deliberately denied Jigsaw's insurance claim for his own selfish reasons (remember: this wasn't by accident, they actually created their very own loophole.) I don't know about your moral values, but to me that's just downright evil

[@synthiandrakon]

@@divaalfirman3295 he kidnapped the doctor who was treating him, not because she did anything wrong as a doctor but because he didn't like her attitude.

[@thebluemorpho2962]

A male Karen is a Kyle you simpleton 😂

[@arli6226]

I love when Saw goes back to previous movies and shows you something that was there all along like when it showed Hoffman and John kidnapping the man from the razor wire maze trap.

[@lissakay4899]

Quick side note: Seven months is considered a stillborn, not miscarriage. Stillbirth children are commonly buried.

[@adman1381]

Didn’t know that. Thanks for teaching me something new.

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

In the United States, miscarriage is before the 20th week, stillborn is after the 20th. In the UK its the 24th week. I think Australia uses 20th week and/or weight of the child. Stillbirth is 400 grams or more. Very weird to look into, and not something you would've assumed had so much variation

[@user-ld2qx5yw3h]

@@CoRLex-jh5vx I think it goes on medical viability depending on the laws of that particular area. I'm pretty sure that if it is at a medically viable age when it dies, it is technically a stillbirth. Before that, miscarriage.

[@Harloween74]

@@CoRLex-jh5vx unrelated to the vid, but that difference is one of the reasons the US infant mortality rate is viewed as worse in the US compared to other wealthy nations.

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

@@user-ld2qx5yw3h yea, I did guess that was where the distinction came from. It's still strange that there's a four week variation depending on the country, which is what I was commenting on. I'm guessing its just based on premature survival rates per country?

[@jonathanfrench2131]

The guy who played jigsaw was the perfect casting choice he has a great voice for the character

[@GenetMJF]

I am glad you talk about it how John's "reasons to rehabilitate" are not that good. When I was an edgy teen I was like "John is an antihero. Ye he kills but he helps people". Like no. That's what he keeps telling himself and others. If there's no evil people left to "help", he'd pick a guy who just littered or something. Because he likes doing what he does.

[@ramen-boi]

GANE THEORY

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Gam*

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Gane*

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[@phantomdriver2010]

I absolutly love John with the backwards baseball cap trying to blend in lmao

[@Lumi9999-h8y]

"How do you do, fellow kids?"

[@ericawillis.]

"what's up with the wack PlayStation"

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

"Do you have a weed, my bro? I, a teen like you, love to do a weed."

[@RileyWritey]

"Sup dawg I wanna play a game. You got xbox?"

[@amuroray9115]

@@Lumi9999-h8y lmfao

[@luhdle]

I love how you make it clear all the way that John was a psycho that was no better than his victims. Right from the start, I started making the connections with Kira, as they both started with a self indulgent "good intention" and soon took a downward spiral into god- complex. Both started viewing their work as necessary and ended up enjoying making people fear and suffer, starting to punish petty criminals and even people who were just after them. Amazing video!

[@jenniferloving9054]

Me, too. Death Note is one of my favorite anime.

[@luhdle]

@@jenniferloving9054 Mine too!

[@JH-ej2yt]

Love death note

[@edwardmcintosh7952]

real question: do you think Jigsaw could get to Kira before Kira figures him out?

[@luhdle]

@@edwardmcintosh7952 I think Kira would get to Jigsaw first. John used to choose people too close to him for the tests, people who he felt that did him dirty, personally. I think Kira would track him down easily, not to mention Jigsaw would have to actually get to Kira physically, while Kira could get him from distance. I don't think Jigsaw would even find out who Kira is before having a sudden heart attack.

[@CommonSwense]

The worst mistake they made in the saw series was: SAYING JOHN KRAMER WAS 52 AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH. Clearly he was in his 60's when he died, which made all the subsequent flashbacks harder to believe especially after long gaps like in Jigsaw and Saw X.

[@tiffa808]

Cancer ages you, too.

[@tjjordan4207]

One could chop it up to the guy saying this made an error and really meant 62.

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

Ok but how old is Jill? If she is in her mid 30s that's a really wide age gap.

[@marcusmiller5443]

52 cards in a full deck of poker cards. Each card, a face of John. Perhaps there was misinformation given for this obscure reference? 🤷‍♂️

[@monkey39128]

@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 He's meant to be rich. Rich men usually go for younger women in my experience, especially if they want children.

[@woah6628]

"EVERYBODY DESERVES A CHANCE!" John 3 seconds later: * John Kramer has deleted this tweet *

[@_x2np_]

True xd

[@vincentschor4755]

LOL

[@marcusmiller5443]

John's second chance. 😁😂👍

[@Lucaselveloz_66]

My man choosed violence

[@indeimaus]

looks at clock 4am looks at the length of the video fuck here we go

[@localmusiclover605]

LESS GOOO

[@mamdouhobeydat8057]

oh thats based

[@CZsWorld]

That's the right way to live your life haha.

[@alanolivar9704]

Verified 😶

[@ChrisMortJr.]

@indeimaus you pop up on every fuckin video i'm about to watch stop following me

[@al-tu7sn]

a depressive episode just began, and i see this on my timeline... you deserve the world

[@stephaniehopkins5661]

Oh my god same. I just got dumped last night and this is 100% what I needed to zone out to.

[@feliscatus7057]

saaameee dude

[@Xehanort10]

@@stephaniehopkins5661 Sorry that happened to you.

[@naps2025]

@@stephaniehopkins5661 someone shit on you???

[@al-tu7sn]

@@stephaniehopkins5661 you also deserve the world, dear

[@_Rook12]

i'd always interpreted the "we've met" line to mean "since you've apparently been in one of my traps, we've already met," and in that way indirectly tells him that he's jigsaw

[@digitalharmony26]

I actually feel so bad for that little girl. Even if she wasn’t kidnapped and trapped, she lost her brother, and now her mum and dad because of John. So much trauma for such a young person. Thankfully she’s a fictional character 😅 but still.

[@livingcorpse5664]

If someone else was Jigsaw, John would wake up in a trap for taking away the last of that girl's immediate family. That's how broken his mind is, he can't see that he's just as bad if not worse than some of the criminals he tests, and some of his subjects aren't even criminals, just people with personal flaws.

[@DrsJacksonn]

@@livingcorpse5664 Jigsaw's just a badly written character coming from a premise that could have been interesting and played by a very good actor.

[@livingcorpse5664]

@@DrsJacksonn Nah he's just crazy.

[@reallysupercold]

Having someone saw your damn skull open in a janky ass "operating room" wasn't convincing enough that he's definitely out of his mind? 😆

[@FrostiKing]

I dunno, the loss of her brother was sad but shattered her family and left her with no one. Her mother was out all the time to get away and cheat on her husband to not remember, and her father was locked in his room neglecting and yelling at her. While the kidnapping sucked I think she is better off, least this way she would be with a foster family or immediate family who cares about her feelings and well being.

[@chef_loudencer6040]

"Everybody deserves a chance" John said calmly

[@nevermoresaiththeraven1964]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DeathGodRiku]

Ok Dumbledore lol

[@blackpinklover5457]

HARRYPOTTERDIDYOUPUTYOYRNAMEINTHEGOBLETOFFIRE.

[@adrianawilliams4810]

@@blackpinklover5457 “Dumbledore said calmly”

[@amostradinholaeledasilva]

The guy in the powerdrill trap: ok lol 👍

[@abvgavl]

No way I couldn't watch a two minute video for my geography class, but can watch an hour long DOCUMENTARY on a horror movie character 👁️👄👁️

[@TheTheninjagummybear]

One interests you and the other doesn't

[@JohnJonesBilly]

You must have lost the edge

[@GenX7119]

@@TheTheninjagummybear no he is just dumb and probably dont know where South Dakota is at let alone Europe..this generation is dumb as rocks

[@GenX7119]

@Buzz Killington wow..umm yes especially back in the day..had citizenship class also that u MUST pass to graduate this generation is just plain stupid..raise by stupid parents

[@GenX7119]

cause u are low brain tht cares more about movies than places around u...

[@Incepter.]

Jigsaw is one of the most terrifying non-superhuman villains I've seen in a franchise, his intelligence and psychopathic behavior are a deadly combination. I enjoy the writing of Jigsaw but I know it would traumatize me if I watch this movies because of the gore and flesh, blood, etc.

[@BryceEdwardBrown]

Over an hour long CZsWorld video? Um, yes please

[@roborievolo1578]

B i n g e W a t c h i n g T i m e

[@ClockWithoutNumbers]

You know what they say longer video equals more content.

[@kristenefox7001]

First thing I noticed. I fuckin love when he goes ham and gives a whole ass movie to us.

[@anjulikamins6420]

Right!?

[@31webseries]

And one with a Death Note reference?!!! Happiness is this!

[@charlesallen246]

The Saw movies are almost unwatchable for me but I’ve always had a keen interest in Jigsaw and his backstory. Thanks dude!

[@bravebeard6225]

Cool story bro

[@shookbitch123]

What? Saw movies are so good wtf

[@DivaDaveD]

@@shookbitch123 wtf

[@zalvian22]

Same, gorey horror isnt something I enjoy, but psychological horror always fascinates me

[@MrOgre112]

@@shookbitch123 He probably means its unwatchable as its to gory for him. Not it isnt good.

[@LegionIvory]

In case anyone was wondering, the final piece Jigsaw was missing was the ability to let go of the past, in particular, his son's death. Had he let go of Gideon, he would have become a better person, but that one missing piece ironically created the other eight.

[@dashigriffins5310]

I also find it ironic that he tested Jeff to make him get over losing his son because of the drunk driver when John himself couldn't get over losing his own son and killed Cecil for it

[@psychokiller5959]

@@dashigriffins5310 in a way he's like Max Payne they both can't let go of the past

[@pantheraatrox4653]

@@dashigriffins5310 No, he didn't kill Cecil for it. He was letting him go once that chair broke free, Cecil made the stupid decision of running straight for him but ended up falling in his backup plan

[@donjezza10]

Personally, I think the final piece was Hypocrisy. Jigsaw was building this jigsaw puzzle for himself and had almost finished it, representing how he hoped his actions would amount to something. But with the puzzle almost finished, I think he realized both what the final piece was and what the final picture would be, which was him as he truly was. So he refused to put in the final piece, leaving him stranded in a game he was too cowardly to win.

[@thegirlofmanyfandoms99]

Ooh shit fam that's deep

[@WillieManga]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Some comedy mixed in with a damn good guide to understand this really all-over-the-place timeline.

[@eurecAswifties]

Among all of John's test subjects, I always feel the most sorry for Jeff. First losing his son, then his wife in front of his eyes, and lastly knowing he's losing his daughter too :( I kinda hope he eventually escaped from that room using that secret passage hoffman went :(

[@BigBubbaTakeYoAzz]

Hoffman rescued his daughter, and Jeff would have been able to leave whenever they got to John's body

[@kipislekker5829]

Didn’t he get shot? Idk for sure but I think it was that someone shot him because they thought slow-ass motherfucking Jeff was a jigsaw apprentice

[@danielle8379]

Jeff died. He was killed by Peter Strahm I think. It’s either saw 5 or 6 i think

[@eddieolshefski6467]

@@danielle8379 Actually, it was 4. Cause Saw 3 and 4 happened at the same time.

[@eddieolshefski6467]

@@BigBubbaTakeYoAzz The problem with Jeff is that he was filled with grief and vengeance. That’s what got him killed. He never learned from his experience being tested by Jigsaw. He was supposed to learn forgiveness from those involved in the loss of his son and forgive Jigsaw for putting him and his wife through the games. But he never did. Thus cost him his wife’s life, never seeing his daughter again and his own life.

[@Xehanort10]

55:54 Amanda actually made unwinnable traps because she realised John's tests had made her worse rather than reforming her. The trauma caused her to self harm, her guilt for the suffering of their victims not only led her to suffocate Adam so he wouldn't die slowly in the bathroom but she saw her traps as mercy killings and that the people in them were better off dead than fucked up for life like her.

[@Mrdestiny17]

I wouldn't call having metal hooked into all your ribs before forcefully ripping them out after being forced to grab a key in a vat of acid in a pointless act in the hopes you might be able to free yourself a "mercy killing" I think it was because she failed to change, which is why she is tested by Jigsaw a second time, so she is taking her anger and guilt out on others because if they survive and change their ways, she wouldn't be John's perfect test subject.

[@MisogynyMan]

Achually don't state your fanfiction as fact

[@josepharcher9620]

I agree. There was one horrific trap where the victim only had 60 seconds. I believe it was the key in the acid trap. Not sure though but the player was female.

[@josepharcher9620]

No, it was the chest ripper.

[@homurakasaino29]

@@scottishsheperd *Angel Death Trap

[@thegreenvoltage]

VR Game idea: you’re a victim of Jigsaw and have a certain amount of time to free yourself from one of his traps. Think about how terrifying that would be.

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

Sounds cool but other saw games were not that great so it doesn't sound that promising.

[@MetalFox619]

@@januszkurahenowski2860 the first saw game had some potential. The second one however....

[@LimusTG]

thanks, i hate that idea

[@slashfromsecondlife816]

But you have the option to not even get one or take it off so your idea simply sucks

[@flagdefender587]

you could have 2 tries before you have to restart too because EVERYBODY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE!

[@jeffcarpenter9292]

I gotta say I’m so impressed by all the ways CZ identifies Jigsaw’s “God Complex” and shows him to be acting irrationally and selfishly (and psychotically), not actually consistent with the moral way he believes he is. Really astute

[@danhagen8502]

Yeah, you see where the gaps are. Like when he told Eric Matthews that he never killed anybody, they make their own choices. Eric said "If you put a gun in somebody's hand and force them to kill themselves then it's still murder." He didn't address that point and deflected the topic back to Eric.

[@MovieFlame]

I think this is your best video. Great job man!

[@nikolastriantafyllou6126]

Hello movieflame

[@Dama-lc7gj]

Woah I didn’t expect to see my one of my favorite Harry Potter channels here

[@ATemplarIGuess]

@@Dama-lc7gj not just harry potter, but the mcu, and percey jackson too

[@maymay5600]

yo what up, i need to watch back some of your videos, i hadn't seen any harry potter videos from?

[@Dama-lc7gj]

@@ATemplarIGuess oh yeah I meant those to it’s just that Harry Potter comes to my mind since it’s what introduced me to him

[@DjDiamstatOfficial]

I wonder if his brain tumor, severe edema, and intracranial pressure could have triggered his psychopathy as well as his psychological/emotional trauma. It was found very late in the game and his brain was living with prolonged oxygen deprivation which is why he needed the surgery on his skull to release the intracranial pressure. I wonder if things would have been different for him if it had been caught early on.

[@filho4437]

Who says this kind of stuff... He's a movie character, he does whatever the film makers think would make a better movie.

[@deadseven3474]

@@filho4437 A lot of people say this stuff, its literally an entire genre of videos on youtube that gets millions of views. Quit being a jackass.

[@cindyrobertson3780]

What happened to him?

[@michaelbreen7865]

@@cindyrobertson3780 Life handed him a 7-Duece off-suit and had Aces on the Flop, a King on the turn, and another King on the river.

[@kelsssy]

you might be on to something actually.

[@Parzival7221]

FINALLY. He's doing John Kramer.

[@CZsWorld]

About time.

[@Anna-fm1if]

@Aaron Lovell same person lol

[@lelouchlamperouge3566]

I thought he did that already

[@erika3016]

He saved the best for last.

[@tidezie]

@@Anna-fm1if r/woosh

[@devilsorchard1449]

The continuity of this franchise is amazing! Especially for a series that not only has about 100 entries, but one that most know as nothing but "torture porn". It's gotta be up there as one of the most cohesive and carefully done stories in all of cinema!

[@Heliosphan15]

I love that there is real intellect and substance to these movies that dismissive critics just couldn’t give any credit to because of how distractingly gory and trashy they were. When you look past that, there is storytelling merit!

[@devilsorchard1449]

@Heliosphan15 It was actually a stroke of genius on behalf of Wan & Whannell, if you think about it. Use the bloody gimmick to reel everyone in, and then the ones who weren't immediately turned off by it can stick around for the story.

[@fxdedflxwers907]

I’ve never heard the term “torture porn” but now a lot more things make sense.

[@valenciageode25]

It’s got the lore and the gore!

[@Venemofthe888]

I think its interesting that John Kramer was the last main character covered in saw. Like you see all the other characters covered and their history with John without talking about him to much. Now he's got his own part and its over a hour long

[@regiman222]

As they say, you save the best for last.

[@valenciageode25]

CZ had to train for this moment.

[@Xehanort10]

Originally there was going to be a scene in Saw III when Jigsaw broke down and started crying realising his tests hadn't helped anyone and that he'd be remembered as nothing but what he didn't think he was, a murderer.

[@Texxifier]

Wow I've never heard that where did you find that.

[@surgecentral05]

Proof?

[@Texxifier]

@@surgecentral05 that's what I was thinking

[@surgecentral05]

@@Texxifier It might be bullshit. I tried looking stuff about it it up but I can't find anything

[@Texxifier]

@@surgecentral05 same I've been looking havent found anything.

[@greenblyat]

I feel like the "missing piece" was Gideon. His literal legacy.

[@Erzan391]

Agreed.

[@tomd96]

I'd argue he was missing the most important piece of all. If I were a psychopath I wouldn't put myself in a room knowing there's a possibility I could die from something out of my control. He lacked the will to live, and instead of spending his final months reflecting and handing himself in, he spent that time testing others and trying to prove his method. Just seemed like a really messy character compared to what he's portrayed as.

[@valenciageode25]

Normally, having a baby is not the answer to someone’s issues, but this is not one of those times.

[@dogmat8733]

With that bit at the end, I think the key thing that John was missing that made him on the same level as his victims was an appreciation for his own life. He gets diagnosed with cancer and tries to kill himself, yet instead of appreciating the time he has left and perhaps spending it with his wife or maybe even trying for another kid, he doubles down on his beliefs that he can make others appreciate their lives as much as he thinks he does by putting them through the same torment he experienced. Instead of dying surrounded by friends and family he knew well, he was killed by a man who experienced the same torment as him in an abandoned and cold reminder of his past. Instead of working to create a lasting impact on society through his work and philanthropy, he died and left behind a legacy of blood and pain. John, for all his talk of others needing to appreciate their lives, didn’t have the same appreciation for his own. There’s a difference between appreciating your life and wanting to stay alive, and John couldn’t see the difference.

[@valenciageode25]

John could’ve done what Art said, and channeled it into his work with the housing project. Create safe homes and nurseries in honor of the son he lost. Worked towards preventing and reducing addiction, less Cecils in the world. But he was blinded. Even beyond the housing, he was excellent at watching people and observing their crimes (which he ironically punishes at least two people for doing). He had photo evidence of that motel owner being a rapist and more of a woman being a prostitute. He could’ve taken those to the police.

[@IronInfinity16]

You should do the complete history of Charles Lee Ray and Tiffany

[@thrifty7774]

Yes that would be good

[@MissHMSilk]

... 😎 *I* 👏🏻 *LOVE* 👏🏻 *THIS* 👏🏻💥

[@persephonevsbane8323]

Yeeeeeees 🙌🏾 please

[@gracehaven5459]

I first saw those movies when I was in high school and I was scarred at the time 🤣🤣🤣 mostly by the weird stuff than the scary stuff

[@187mrsmith]

Can we all take a minute to appreciate how good his costume is That Definitely took some hard work and dedication

[@jkhtravelrn]

Fir sure!

[@Artemis_666]

I love the eyes the most

[@TheLexiconDevils]

Looks gay

[@Artemis_666]

@@TheLexiconDevils bruh what

[@LetsReadPodcast]

Great breakdown! Loved every minute

[@CZsWorld]

Thanks Let's Read!

[@yungc9050]

Fo sho mane

[@JoeMama-kj7bq]

Well, I loved every second.

[@savagething9409]

Woah 2 of my youtubers in the same place I'm shook 🤣

[@supdaley]

Omgggg Let’s Read I’m a fan!!!

[@DammnDeejay]

I think John’s entire method of healing is simply giving his victims massive PTSD in the most complicated form possible

[@switters8679]

I mean, he might rationalize it a different way, but you're not wrong.

[@DrRhyhm]

I kinda get his logic. By surviving the a trauma it might shed different light on your other problems, like addiction or depression(i know depression could be chemical but still a trauma might cure it cause a trauma is also a strong chemical shift in the brain)

[@carolyndamish1601]

I suffer from addiction and he’s completely right. Addiction stems from trauma and if you go through almost dying it makes ur other trauma (ex abuse; rape) the trauma that makes you use drugs, you will realize you can be stronger than your trauma and live. Being chemically addicted is easy to get over, you will continue to do drugs until you heal your trauma. Hey I might just do more drugs because of all the trauma he gave me in the traps BAHAHA

[@xMary96]

AND it is effective! I used to struggle with depression and not wanting to live, but then someone hurt me (will not go into details because it is graphic and personal) and I barley made it out alive. At the moment I thought I was going to die, I wanted nothing more than to live and was fighting for my life. I have PTSD now, and while it is difficult to cope with, it changed my view on life and death. I have always been a Saw fan always thought if I ended up in a trap it would change my way of thinking. I do not want to like those who said "he was brutal but his heart was in the right place" because what he and other does are messed up and cannot be excused (Even though this is just movies), BUT I will admit that I guess I had the reaction John was looking for with his victims; The will to live, and change. This is suck a freaking weird message, but I thought it could be interesting for others to see in a different perspective of someone who went through something traumatic that almost took my life, but ended up changing me, both in good and bad ways.

[@Sammsy1126]

@@DrRhyhmI like this Doctors opinion

[@TwoBitSpecialist]

Thank you for putting Jigsaw's life in chronological order and even filling out some gaps for me. I'm a huge Saw fan and even chalked up some "inconsistencies" as simply production errors and moved on. You even explained why Logan was seemingly absent for most of the series. It's so obvious I don't know how I missed it.

[@GabeR115]

Possible explanation for why John doesn’t shock Adam after the gunshot: John doesnt care if Adam dies or not, he’s testing the willingness of Gordon to kill Adam to save his family. Because Gordon demonstrated he WILL kill Adam to win his game, whether or not Adam survives the gun shot is unimportant

[@amiralbezea2016]

What was the win condition for Adam? Sorry for asking that but IT was a while since i saw the movie , maybe in eyes of John he won or Bcs Gordon won cuz he " killed "Adam And the electro shock was not anymore an option

[@RedScatta]

@@amiralbezea2016 His way to win was to watch how he dies or that he tries to do something against it:)

[@GabeR115]

@@amiralbezea2016 Exactly what the other person said, his game was just to survive

[@shaniatingman2083]

yes, we saw the movie

[@briochebun9644]

Every time the channel logo pops up I'm expecting a commercial break. This feels like a televised documentary

[@sie.rra.]

Loveeeee how you pointed out John looked at Amanda to say “I want to play a game.” I always felt like nobody else paid attention to that.

[@susiehaltmann3342]

John is one of my favorite characters ever. He’s such an interesting character to learn about, has an amazing voice that’s deep and asmr-esque, the incredible performances of Tobin Bell, his psychology, and his downright depressing origin

[@TheFallofTheEleventh]

I just noticed that the apprentices who interact with each other are the ones who failed. Hoffman and Amanda were both in each other’s way and both wanted to get rid of the other more than focusing on John’s will and legacy. Same goes for Jill, once she started getting involved with Hoffman and the others she was dragged to death like the others. It’s only Gordon and Logan who hadn’t interacted with other apprentices and had simply focused on what John taught them that survived. It seems like the Jigsaw mantle is a cursed one where you have to stay pure and true to yourself to survive

[@KingScorpius34]

My headcanon on why John didn't shock Adam to check if he's dead is because he decided that Adam already failed his test by trying to fool him. That's also why he left Adam to die even if he had no chance of escaping because the key got sucked throught the drain.

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Wait that makes so much sense. Especially since he just thinks his opinion is right

[@livingcorpse5664]

If Adam had cut off his own foot John might have changed his mind. But, most people just could not do that, it's amazing Dr. Gordan did.

[@KingScorpius34]

Exactly. Maybe both of them tried to fool him but Gordon at least cut of his own foot while Adam did nothing. If you think about it, Adam didn't need key. John propably created this game with many ways for two of them to escape as well as many ways for them to fail. What we see in the movie is just one of the possibilities. Gordon was able to escape, Adam maybe didn't had a key but still had a chance to escape.

[@roquendroll]

1 hour CZsWorld on Saw... This is great!

[@CZsWorld]

Enjoy!

[@Seeker_Blade]

It really is!

[@julianvargas9464]

Zach breaking character at 45:46 just made my day 😂😂

[@TheASMRRyan]

killing it with these SAW vids man, thank you for them

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Waiting for the saw themed asmr video now xD

[@TheASMRRyan]

@@ot7biasedmashups hahaha just released one actually ;)

[@mythicalgiraffe23]

Oh, hi dad

[@mrmann4208]

Why hello there, old sport

[@theblazingchris7339]

KILLING IS DISTASTEFUL!!

[@philingrouille7198]

John Kramer's victims went from people who didn't appreciate their lives to just people who were complete douchebags. Unless, in Jigsaw's mind, you only appreciate life if you're a completely good, honest person.

[@GendoRokabundi]

his stated rules and his actual rules were never in sync. He mostly started with people from the clinic, because he knew them, felt wronged by them, and felt that his wife 'failed' in reforming them. As he continued on, he needed to look for more subjects, and started to include other people he encountered that irritated him. His original stated goal of reforming people that didn't seem to have the will to live quickly turned to righteous judgement of people and society. His games with multiple people definitely involved more than just "do what you can to survive" and instead was about seeing if people could work together, forgive, etc. He definitely evolved over time, both in order to escalate, and to justify the escalation to himself, as well as justifying broadening his scope to include police that were after him, etc.

[@DarkDreamsAndMoonlitNights]

You burned his grilled cheese? Welcome to a trap!

[@bobbyhershey3782]

I forget which movie but weren’t one of his victims someone who loved their job too much so I don’t think anyone is safe

[@mikethehunter5212]

Obviously I don't condone his actions, but I can't help but agree with his premise that suffering leads to enlightenment. I had a stroke at a young age which was caused by a medical mistake. I went through a period of depression and trauma but eventually came out of it and learned to appreciate life. Now I study psychology and philosophy, which I suppose in turn led me to videos like this.

[@danyraya]

@@mikethehunter5212 u honestly dope 4 that lmao

[@petercaliendo3359]

Here from Dead Meat, only about 20 minutes in but pausing to say that this is an excellent video, definitely earned a sub today. Keep it up man

[@osirisatot19]

John "Never make it personal." also John "I'm going to put everyone I've ever met in a trap of some kind."

[@A_Short_Kid]

Hi there, I'm in school to become a speech-language pathologist. One of the most common diagnosis's we treat is aphasia, an acquired language disorder. At 21:50 we can see that John developed aphasia from the result of a tumor. However, aphasia is a disorder that affects the parts of your brain affecting LANGUAGE. In this population you would expect to see problems with at least word finding, fluency of speech, repetition (of words spoken to the individual), and auditory comprehension. John Kramer did not exhibit problems with ANY of these, even tho some people can hide aphasia very well, and aphasia is not a monolith - there are various types with different presenting symptoms. Regardless, I think a PROGRESSIVE aphasia would get worse over time and Kramer doesn't seem to develop more severe problems with language throughout the series. Ik this is a dumb nitpick but idk why they would choose that diagnosis for him

[@MickeyMallone.]

Pedantic? Yes. Educational and interesting? Also yes. Thank you.

[@obamagaming6442]

Even as someone who is not a fan of the movies because I'm sensitive to torture and gore, this was really interesting

[@dysfallacyyt]

hello mr. obama

[@Miskamouskamikumouse]

Same

[@dommyyandfriendss]

Facts

[@paxtongerhart6863]

Same!

[@Liamthewaldo]

@@paxtongerhart6863 grow up

[@digidude39]

Jeff's test being John's last is symbolic. Both men lost their child to accidents caused by the carelessness of others. John wanted to see if Jeff could forgive and move on in ways John was never really able to. Jeff failing his test and being unable to move on is a mirror of John dwelling on what happened to his own child and taking revenge on Cecil. Jeff killing John and losing his wife to the collar and ultimately dying as a result also mirrors how John, unable to move on, lost his wife and ultimately set him on the path to die because John was also unable to move on. Jeff would have been John's greatest accomplishment had Jigsaws method worked.

[@tonimarie3638]

Amazing this comment what a way to look at it

[@ouwebrood497]

Wow, this is so well thought through. I really admire how you fit all the pieces together from the Saw franchise to come to a canonical overview. Lots of things fall in place. I'm very curious though how this will age once the next Swa movie comes out.

[@dubuyajay9964]

Seems it did ok due to how self-contained that film was.

[@mikahong]

You are one of the most observant, analytic, and detail oriented channels I know. I strive to be this way with my work too. I just want to take a moment and thank you for all your hard work. You're my favorite horror channel.

[@CZsWorld]

Thank you Mikah!

[@lastresort554]

@@CZsWorld You're Welcome.

[@amberklaire9419]

Love this analysis, however one thing that I feel is an error. You referenced his baby's death as a miscarriage. At 7 months pregnant, it would be close to viability and well over the line into stillbirth. In still birth, it IS common to bury the baby and have a grave marker for it. So this thing in particular isn't abnormal or a warning sign.

[@maskettaman1488]

it literally doesn't matter

[@amberklaire9419]

@@maskettaman1488 it's literally a key turning point in this character, so the fact that he's reacting normally instead of abnormally as the video states, is important. So it literally does matter.

[@maskettaman1488]

@@amberklaire9419 that's entirely wrong

[@brosef5033]

@@maskettaman1488 why don’t you point out HOW it is wrong then?

[@MidnightStorm4990]

@@brosef5033 It's doesn't matter because the point was that the baby died do you think he would react differently if he was told how the baby died?? It doesn't make a difference lol

[@anthonysmith7504]

I think John actually chose not to shock Adam because he was satisfied with how Gordon cut off his own leg showing that he had endured enough pain to protect his family regardless with whether or not he killed Adam and I guess a desire to not kill is a quality that maybe John could respect since he hates killing too (even though he does it all the time)

[@batjackattack5556]

remember he’s “not a murderer” and thinks “killing is distasteful”

[@maisiejadams3931]

Also he knew leaving him would only have one end result

[@GOTH_JAY_1]

And everyones favorite “kramer saver” is this: Technically, John is not killing them. Therefore he isn’t a murderer!

[@kipislekker5829]

But I didn’t kill him the trap did It’s like saying that you didn’t kill someone, the bullet did

[@beebeecee669]

@@kipislekker5829 No, shooting someone is with intent to kill, not rehabilitate. Stupid comparison.

[@sophiebubbles96]

Would never want anyone else to play as John Kramer, Tobin Bell was brilliant 👏🏻

[@livingcorpse5664]

The biggest tragedy of John is he did help people before he became Jigsaw, then one bad thing after another kept happening and he lost so much faith in humanity it drove him insane.

[@lucyviviansousa3909]

Tobin Bell deserved a Academy Award for the all SAW movies

[@LegionIvory]

Nah, maybe the third one, but that's about it.

[@mekasims1981]

@@LegionIvory 🤣🤣🤣

[@cringycook9597]

This kinda reminds me of Mr Freeze from Batman trying to save his wife from dying only for the trauma to consume him and ultimately lead him on a much darker path.

[@itwontcomeout5678]

Sounds like a certain Jedi we know :P

[@dirtbutcher6100]

I had no idea I needed this content in my life. I haven't watched a Saw movie since saw 3, but this breakdown of the whole series is pretty entertaining

[@AxisCorpsRep]

baptism is actually my favorite song in the whole series, it has a strangely unnerving yet calming feel to it

[@Xehanort10]

Lucky for Amanda he didn't give her a literal baptism. "Amanda I baptise you in the name of the pig, the hacksaw and the puppet."

[@rolandocastro9425]

Holy shit dude this is over 1 hour damn I really appreciate the hard work

[@cutieetae3351]

I can't imagine all the editing down and adding effects. This probably takes FOREVER.

[@CZsWorld]

It took a while.

[@rolandocastro9425]

@@CZsWorld more than 2 weeks?

[@karkowaw]

'...a hooded robe that almost makes him look like a monk or a priest' and I thought he looked like a boxer 😆😆

[@thecrowfather1919]

John is 100 percent the definition of "ill give you a reason to cry"

[@kwjhdiuqdhiqdiqu]

The fact that you made an hour video about this is insane. thank you (from the people too scared to watch the actual saw movies but watch videos like this)

[@faultyvideos2215]

1:03:17 I like to imagine that in one of his traps he accidentally used the wrong tape and a victim died staring at some woman they didn't know and they didn't have any clue what to do.

[@wonshiking]

I've always considered Saw as my favorite horror movie franchise and could never understand why people just wrote it off as "torture porn". I also enjoy movies like Insidious or traditional movies like the grudge but to me the concept of supernatural beings is not really scary as I don't believe in ghosts and whatnot. Movies like Saw and Halloween are much more realistic to me in the sense that serial killers are out there and this could (although Saw is a bit much) potentially happen in real life. Same as why natural disaster movies scare the crap out of me. I hate it when people don't look behind the traps in Saw to see the amazing storyline the writers have created throughout the series. There is no more interesting villain in a movie than Jigsaw. I think your video perfectly highlights this and I wish everyone who hasn't given Saw a chance would watch this. I stayed up all night binging your series on the characters and got reminded once more why I always say Saw is my favorite horror movies.

[@ShiroyashaVince]

Its really just an 50/50 to any people u ask if they think its either good or not so yeah i can understand tho. As an anime fan myself theres character and series that i also think is misunderstood. Well anime/manga wise ig.

[@blondiellasbeautybar]

To me both the supernatural and a possibility that a person like John could exist in our world are both scary 😂

[@neonzplayz5060]

I was scared of Don’t breath until O realised that if I didn’t rob houses it couldn’t happen to me

[@bubba4847]

It really just depends on how people look at it, because the thing about saw is that the storyline is amazing but it also has the most slow burn, gruesome type traps that are very hard to watch.

[@bigblud1980]

Not many people have the ability to look past the gore to appreciate the creativity of how the stories tie in together

[@CantStayAway]

I love horror movie trivia. Like the fact about the making of the first "Saw" film - James Wan and Leigh Whannell could only afford to use one room to shoot a movie, so they decided to write a movie that took place in one room - and it became one of the biggest horror franchises of all time. :)

[@Thegamesafoot]

Imagine how much money Kramer has spent at Home Depot just to set up these elaborate traps

[@MickeyMallone.]

"Back again, Mr. Kramer?" "Yeah, I need a new drill. The last one was a headache to use."

[@raven7146]

@@MickeyMallone. I see what you did there (if I’m right)

[@pimpcesslexii4011]

@@raven7146 you’re right lol

[@Chuck_EL]

@@MickeyMallone. 7:39 love how indifferent John is when he said that lol

[@adhirg]

also think about how much Jigsaw spent at his local Radio Shack, all those cassette players and analogue devices lol!

[@diy_cat9817]

I love that you talked about his God complex. I feel like no one ever does, they just see John as a brilliant madman who is doing the right thing, even if it's brutal. Uh, no. He may have been doing that at first but he quickly spiraled out of control and used his power to decide who HE thought deserved to play his games. Killing people who didn't harm him directly at all, or people who caused pain/death but completely on accident. This is a good video. I will subscribe.

[@jaeminthecreator2877]

true at first he was doing what he promised to do, i guess bring justice, but then he came more and more ill and went agaisnt his own purpose

[@rosenti]

What you are addressing are the actions of his successor. John always gave his suspects a chance. True he had a god complex, but he never directly killed people.

[@jackadams3878]

@@rosenti amanda's first test either forced her to kill a man, or injected them with a lethal dose of drugs

[@rosenti]

@@jackadams3878 Unfortunately from watching the movie, it looks like the reverse bear trap was Amanda's first test. In which she pulls a key from a man's stomach. Now, you may want to refrain your previous comment on the pretense that this is still "murder".. Which I assume you most likely will. However, the argument stands.. That Amanda is a killer, her games were unwinnable, as in to say.. When she became the Jigsaw. Which retorts any inclination of how John may have behaved.

[@kylemendes7246]

​ her game he forced her to kill someone to save her own life. thats manipulation and if you manipulate someone to kill another person you will be tried just as if you killed someone. you can go by technicalities and say oh i didnt pull the trigger i just gave them no other option too besides death. your argument doesnt have anything to stand on so cut the shit.

[@thetasigma412]

Honestly, you’re one of the only people who i see an hour-long video from and think “I cannot wait to spend the next hour watching this”

[@CantStayAway]

I love horror movie trivia. Like the fact about the making of the first "Saw" film - James Wan and Leigh Whannell could only afford to use one room to shoot a movie, so they decided to write a movie that took place in one room - and it became one of the "most profitable horror films" of all time. :)

[@kentboo8994]

Can we really APPRECIATE CZWorld's work? I mean it's one hour long! And he uploads 2 videos per week👏👏👏

[@katrienaluna2591]

Right after you said, "If you do get a mattress ad after this, I swear it's purely coincidence," I got a mattress advertisement.

[@amandatidey5751]

I freaked out when it came on, and then I realized it was a part of the video..I'm quite gullible lol

[@toyanthaog5109]

😹😹😹i thought it was real

[@654Crossman]

@@amandatidey5751 now I feel stupid.lol

[@gamerzorbitz]

same here

[@shatterednova_]

I was a lot more confused since I had an adblocker

[@mitchellchampigny4082]

I never thought about what you mentioned at the end, John himself was missing a vital puzzle peace. Great work man!

[@slumpmachinegaming]

45:50 this man has the laugh of a maniacal overlord and I love it

[@storyrighter1601]

John Kramer in street clothes in saw 7 is the scariest part of the series.

[@matthewguzman2511]

Please do the Complete History of the girl from “Orphan” 😩

[@aleeka99]

yessss

[@alexisbrunson4198]

I SECOND THIS

[@anotherbloodyhypocrite960]

Yes! Finally an analysis of Jigsaw that goes in depth and examines the contradictions in his life! So many other descriptions of Jigsaw and his role in the Saw films portray him as almost a kind of super-villain (verging on anti-hero) with an edgy morality. I really like the way you emphasise Jigsaw's fears/obsessions and failures as a human being and work that into his story. Kramer is a much more interesting villain when you recognise that his is a broken and terminally ill-man committed to a failing ideology, not an all knowing super-villain! Great vid!

[@KISSArmySoldier]

I love John Kramer. He's one of my favourite horror movie villains. And I love that you mentioned Light Yagami because I love Death Note, and I too noticed similarities between John and Light

[@minimejj]

No one: Not a single soul: CZsWorld: *has friggin epic cosplay of billy the puppet*

[@gracehaven5459]

Those contacts couldn't have been comfortable either so cahoots

[@heidibarker9550]

Seeing CZsWorld laughing uncontrollably in his full face of Jigsaw makeup, is the wholesomeness I didn't know i needed.

[@troywinters8123]

It is a very very well put-together video and I appreciate your effort on it, there's only one small gripe - the reason Jigsaw allowed Cecil to succumb to the razorwire is down to him escaping the trap. What a number of folk miss is that Cecil shakes the chair until it collapses, he actively abandons his chance for rebirth.

[@Jd19808]

I absolutely LOVE this channel! The way you get into every nook and cranny with details along with the your comedic timing is appreciated! Especially for me that loves horror films Saw being on my top 5 favorite movies

[@EricBehaviorAnalyst]

I just discovered this channel and I'm all about it. Game Theory is essentially just the act of balancing your options in an optimal way that can't be exploited by an opponent's option selection. I'd say he is more of a master of behavior analysis than he is a master of game theory

[@thememeguy2195]

Jigsaw's greatest accomplishment was that he made CZ dressup as Billy and make an 1 hour+ video about him. Such a good character.

[@Loaves_of_Cat]

When I saw him in that cosplay, I thought I he was suppose to be slappy from the goosebumps series and was thinking what does goosebump have to do with saw?

[@ykdante0809]

Jigsaw was literally tryin to get this man to forgive him but cudnt forgive the guy who killed his baby

[@anojane]

Lol, that's a good ass point. I hadn't even thought of that.

[@pepethefrog6809]

He thinks he gave him a chance though, but he jumped him and got himself caught in the razorwire trap.

[@rheymarvinsalestre4075]

He presented him a choice (because he'll die either way, his tumour's worsening). And in a way, John also had that same 2 choices when his son died. To forgive and let go or to brood over it and loathe his entire life. And he made a choice.

[@ykdante0809]

@@rheymarvinsalestre4075 it’s almost like he had a 3rd choice tht nobody knew bout n took it apon his self to murder ppl

[@beebeecee669]

Different intentions.

[@ashleighstratmann7783]

I saw that episode where Spongebob told Gary to go calling him a stupid animal not realizing (as he was covering his eyes) Gary was gone and Patrick had showed up and was standing right there as he said that. Honestly, Patrick took that better than Amanda took John's hallucinations, him helping Lynn, and him telling her she wasn't needed at the time.

[@ashleighstratmann7783]

It’s still funny somewhat because in SpongeBob’s case he wasn’t aware he just said that to Patrick. And I seen other episodes where Patrick been upset or angry about something and he actually took SpongeBob saying all that rather well in general

[@andredunbar3773]

He was saying those things to the seahorse he had been keeping, Mystery, not Gary the snail.

[@jaxystarr7108]

​@@andredunbar3773he would never say such a thing to Gary.. 🙌

[@andredunbar3773]

@@jaxystarr7108 Exactly

[@GHXSTZXNE]

I am so glad that Dead Meat had given you a shoutout for this video. Keep up the good work

[@nick1512]

I watched them all on Peacock this past October and I must say I’m now a huge fan of the series. It gets more crazy after each movie but I absolutely love them

[@d3fyne]

You can talk over an hour about how deep just one character is in this franchise and what his motivations are and yet people still call Saw a "dumb torture-porn".

[@justawarlord]

. . . . you can do that with most things

[@etherealguy8161]

I actually rewatched the whole franchise and honestly It's pretty confusing if you can't keep your track in the movie. People call it torture porn because of the traps but they are totally missing the story and the timeline of the events that are really complex but intertwined.

[@johnnyjacuzzi7498]

It’s still dumb torture porn, even with a (bad) back story.

[@RipsharkTV]

Same people that think they'd easily survive horror movie antagonists like Chuky. Ooh he's a doll, id just kick him.....lol

[@LuisGarcia-sp8co]

@@RipsharkTV well thats how a lot of people in the story survived his attacks lol. Not necessarily kicking but something equally as simple like throwing him