Sawgrass SG 800 vs Epson SC F570 Sublimation printers. Flashy Expressions.

[@victorvega8800]

I used to use an Epson ET-2550 kzbin.infoUgkxciSwynMJ7PnUvvx11rewiu-yFBkZTl53 , an early model of the ink tank style. It worked well, but had one nuisance that drove me up the wall; if you didn't put it in high quality print mode you'd get a streak across the page. I'm happy to say I have yet to see this with this printer. The print quality has been fantastic so far, the set up was super easy. All in all I'm very happy with this printer.

[@ColdChills01]

😃This video is so valuable, thank you sir! I'm also getting into sublimation and have been researching many things about it. For many the go to is Sawgrass and today was my purchase day for the new sg1000. I've watched and read countless hours about the available Brands, the process, application... Etc but I hesitated because of ink price. So I begin researching again because of two conflicting website prices on ink. then after searching KZbin I remembered I've seen that Epson if 570 before which wasn't available at the time and began watching videos then came across your channel which was the icing on the 🎂 cake! I still want to know more but tonight is the night to purchase the Epson F570!! Thank You Very Much, I appreciate your time with making a great informative video👍🏾😁

[@FlashyExpressions]

You are welcome. Its been exciting learning sublimation. I have done some shirts, mugs, mouse pads and a door mat.

[@DeadbeatLeo]

He did the MATH baby. THANK U

[@inspiregraphics9184]

I just unboxed my Epson . Not only did it come with charging ink but they give you backup ink bottles as well and three rolls of paper! So they don't price gouge with expensive ink cartridges! I will never go back to sawgrass ever again!!!! Thanks for the video

[@SCUUBDO]

The Epson F570 is magnificent!! The ink and paper rolls are so economical and the prints are superb!!

[@creativestudioyeg]

Is it possible to print on canvas ?

[@st.barnabascatholicchurch7880]

Great video! From someone who has spent almost $26K in sublimation ink for Sawgrass since 2015, I was very glad to get this Epson recently. Minor nit to your math, and it won't change things substantially... the Black cartridge for the 800 has 72 ml of ink in it, not 75 ml as the other colors have.

[@allstarprintlab2675]

26k!!! Sheesh

[@AnimalMother92]

@FlashyExpressions , thank you for the video. To reply to a few of the comments here, I do not have an F570 yet, but I have converted the WF7720 to sublimation in June of 2019 . We have made close to $25K off that printer in sublimation sales (which by many standards is still small time, I know). This is in a seasonal tourist town. During the fall/winter months, there was a time where it sat for close to 4 months, and I can assure you it did need a deep cleaning (actually 6 deep cleaning cycles) to unclog the print heads. This was after letting it set for four months! We have since been running it at least weekly, and never a problem. Great print heads and technology inside, and I can only assume the F570 runs solid as well. Thanks again! I hope it works great for you, and look forward to getting one ourselves!

[@FlashyExpressions]

Your welcome. 25K is a big number to me.

[@AnimalMother92]

@@FlashyExpressions ordered my F570 about 3 weeks ago. Fingers crossed it comes soon!😎👍

[@tay9543]

👏 👏 Great comparison video. Makes more sense to go with f570.

[@shastylesdesign]

After having the sawgrass printer for 1 year all i can say is that it is like buying a used mercedes s class with 300,000+ miles on it but for $1500...Like you know its going to break but when will it break? Sawgrass sucks sooo bad, im switching to epson because its a solid printer. Thanks for this video!

[@FlashyExpressions]

I know people that are very happy with their sawgrass sublimation printer. Being new to the sublimation market I really have nothing to compare to. For me, the economics of the Epson F570 was what sold me on the printer.

[@tetiger1236]

What is the quality of the ink on the epson and how long does it last compared to the sawgrass? Ive seen multiple sawgrass ink videos which lasts pretty long.

[@ReggattaZenyatta]

Thanks a lot, this was very helpful. I was going to buy the Sawgrass til I found your video and had a closer look at the Epson series. The ink is a bit more over here in Germany but still way cheaper than the Sawgrass ink. Anyway: thanks very much!

[@TheSonsofaadam]

This video was extremely valuable. Thank you very much.

[@madeinparadise847]

I just purchased at Epson f570 no comparison ..great info!

[@FlashyExpressions]

Thank you

[@livbettencourt3164]

Great video! Whoever edited this did a great job! :)

[@Hawchi254]

An outstanding presentation. Thank you

[@michaelmummau7686]

I recently bought the Epson F570 also. Looking to get into sublimation. It is an nice machine. The ink cost is what attracted me to it. Good luck with your business.

[@FlashyExpressions]

Thanks Michael, Got the call yesterday that my printer will be delivered tomorrow. Very excited. Question, have you sublimated on heat transfer vinyl?

[@michaelmummau7686]

@@FlashyExpressions No. But I do want to try it.

[@creativestudioyeg]

Is it possible to print on canvas ?

[@MsJoiwind]

Thank you!!! My SG-800 is on its last legs. I have only used Virtuoso and have talked me into being an Epson girl!! Those ink costs are sexy!

[@FlashyExpressions]

Thank you

[@user-vz8pb2fk5d]

You really hit the nail on the head here. I looked at the ink as well and there is absolutely no comparison. I would never advise anyone to even look at sawgrass because of the cost of ink. I will get an f570 . I bought the f170 and the prints are perfect!. I am very impressed with epson but my only criticism of epson is the maintenance tank. I realize company's want to make money but this is just a money grab. The replacement maintenance tank cost $50.00. You can simply empty the tank yourself as long as you find a mechanism to reset the micro chip. You can bye them online but I have'nt seen one for the f570. Maybe the reset gagit for older models will work,I don't know. Maybe research to find out if the chip on the f570 can be reset. It will save you alot of money over time.

[@ShortcakeThe1]

Great comparison!!! I I look forward to purchasing the Epson although I have an SG500.... wish I had saw this video prior.

[@FlashyExpressions]

I know and have talked with many that like their SG printers.

[@Kyle5K]

Just purchased the Sawgrass, it's in the mail!

[@dedication626]

@@Kyle5K how’s the sawgrass so far???

[@yehudahweisz]

Any way you can make a comparison of: epson surecolor f570 vs sawgrass sg1000 ???

[@l.r.designstudioslauriesul8993]

How color fast is the ink ?

[@davelyew4645]

Excellent video! You swayed me from the SG1000 and from my favorite vendor too who is not carrying Epsons anymore. Who did you purchase from as I am not sure the vendor I am considering will waive shipping based on a statement they have on their website. Also trying to take advantage of an Epson Rebate so I will have to make a decision within a day or two. Hope to see more videos from you.

[@FlashyExpressions]

I purchased my printer from All American Print Supply in Fullerton, CA. I live around 40-50 miles from there shop.

[@davelyew4645]

Thanks. I'm in South Florida so I'll try to find the closest dealer around here. Your video is what made me know that this printer even existed. I was on the verge of buying the SG-1000 till I saw it. After my own research of the F570, I totally agree with you.

[@rmd9250]

If I’m correct this printer prints DTG not sublimation , so be sure that is in fact the way you want your images printed. For me I’m wanting to print a lot of detailed art work, photography so sublimation is the better choice, for me

[@domingomazonjr9693]

@@rmd9250 it's not DTG. DTG is the F2100 which costs 15k

[@lailahashim4199]

Hi sir ...I am from tunisia...I want to buy sawgrass VG628 ...is it good?please answer me

[@yasersmart2335]

Yes , it is worth to watch this video

[@cristinafavero2294]

Nice break down. So you probably have the machine by now... what are your thoughts now that you have it?

[@IffySignals]

Good video. I just bought the new F170 over the sawgrass for the price of ink and having to use there (sawgrass) program to print. With the new Epson F170 having the same specs as the sawgrass 500 and being $200 cheaper and having a huge choice of inks sawgrass might be in trouble in 2021.

[@lizsosa203]

Wich type of fabric can sublomat? Can you sublimate cotton too?

[@winterhawk78]

Has your machine come in yet? Curious as to how you like it and some feedback.

[@FlashyExpressions]

Yes, the machine came in about the same time covid hit. My wife runs the shirt business and I have a full time job. I am normally the one who experiments with new products and equipment. Unfortunately, with the covid issue, kids home from school, big changes at my normal job and then having a surgery go bad earlier this summer I have not had the time to put the machine to good use and make money. I have printed shirts, mouse pads, mugs and a doormat. So far the prints have been coming out great. Of course there is a learning curve. I had the most problems with mugs. The ink kept spreading out or migrating while cooling. I started putting them in water right after heating and that seem to fix the issue. The floormat came out nice. The size of my heat press is a limiting factor for large items such as the mats. In a nut shell, I love it. The prints come out awesome. I just have not had the time to put together a process that works with our business model. Hopefully soon. I did attempt to make an unboxing video, but just could not put it all together to make it as informative as I would like. I figure the world does not need another video of me just opening a box.

[@alexanderlejon9958]

​@@FlashyExpressions Glad you made a good choice with the Epson. Im also thinking about buying it.

[@SCUUBDO]

I have had it for a couple of months and it is amazing!! It is so easy to print several different jobs at one time when using either size roll. I have been selling sublimation transfers like crazy. Many are requesting 24-inch prints for canvas. The inks and papers are super economical.

[@mrsmrs4844]

@FlashyExpressions did you know that the F570 has already been discontinued? Do you have any idea why it's been discontinued? Have you had any problems using the F570 printer? Does the F570 work well? How is the quality of the prints? Any clogging of the print heads? Do you have to print once a week? Thank you.

[@FlashyExpressions]

No, I did not know the printer was discontinued. I did a quick web search but did not find any info about stopping production. I will need to look into it. Maybe they have a generation II coming out. I have not had any problems with the printer. This is my first sublimation printer and my first experience with sublimation. Without having any experience with how other printers print, I think the F570 prints great.

[@dianacureton7227]

Thank you for the breakdown, very helpful. Are you still satisfied with the Epson printer?

[@FlashyExpressions]

Yes, but I have not been able to make any money with it yet. It's not a printer issue, but a timing issue. When this covid lock down ends and the kids get back into the classroom things should change.

[@mrs.jennifermcfarland7579]

How long does the ink last when it sits in the printer? Does it evaporate or go bad (less vibrant) the longer it sits?

[@kellyjerde8726]

I’m curious about the same thing.

[@Scott300300300]

Let us know if there are any clogging issues. Years ago that was the problem with Epson machines.

[@FlashyExpressions]

So far working great. Still learning how to sublimate, but having good luck. I will be sure to post any issues I come up with. So far all good.

[@Pixeltrainer]

From what I've read in my research it is STILL a problem with Epson if you don't print constantly. That is the main issue holding me back from purchasing.

[@LibertyGraphicDesigns]

amazingly you only have 15 subscribers well... 16 if you count me!! my point is... this is by far the best video I have seen about investing in what ever makes sense, Warren Buffet always says "invest don't speculate" the only thing you missed on this video is the amount of "items" you need to sell to paid for the printer!! well done Sr. Remember me when you hit your first 10k and your 50k and your 100k!! lol my name is Juan by the way lol sub #16 lol

[@AvantiMorocha1]

Great video! A year ago I ordered the Sawgrass printer, but I canceled my order because the ink is ridiculously expensive. Now I'm looking into the Epson F570, I wish they have a small version.

[@mrsmrs4844]

There is a new Epson Sublimation printer that was announced and it's coming out in January! Epson Surecolor F170. It is a smaller Sublimation printer and cost effective. I'm planning on getting it when it comes out!

[@Gavdon100]

Great video. However, sawgrass claims that 1ml of their gel ink is the equivalent of 3ml standard ink.

[@FlashyExpressions]

I did not know that. We are new to sublimation but I think the math will still favor the Epson with those numbers. I will try to pencell the math out one day

[@billpearce9784]

@@FlashyExpressions Simple arithmetic! If, IF it is true that the Sawgrass ink goes 3 times as far as the Epson ink, then the numbers look like this: SG = $1.93 per ml, so the amount of Epson ink needed would be 3 times (3X) $0.13/ml or to be equal Epson ink would cost 3 times $0.13 or $0.39! So which is cheaper to print the same volume of work, $1.93 or $0.39? For me, it is certainly a "NO BRAINER !

[@sandeeww1]

Does the machine come with designing software like the sg800 does?

[@FlashyExpressions]

No, there was no software. I use Photoshop.

[@tkarlmann]

Are you sure BOTH sets of ink from Epson are 140mL? The set in the boxes might be a smaller amount.

[@FlashyExpressions]

The printer comes with two full sets of CMYK ink. All the bottle are 140ml.

[@williamgarcia3297]

Hello from Honduras !!! I want to buy the Epson and I just want to know if you had any issue so far or something I should be aware of. Thank you for the video!!!

[@FlashyExpressions]

Hola from Southern California. So far no issues have come up. Still learning. We work from home and the kids have been home from school since March because of Covid-19. Its a busy household with everyone home so its been a little difficult to find the time to experiment with new things. Way behind in my time line.

[@Yshral]

I kept wondering why people was buying the SG printers instead of the epson sure colors f570, I would never buy the SG printer no room for profit at all

[@niccitaylor3532]

Thank you! You really broke it down.

[@FlashyExpressions]

Your Welcome

[@billpearce9784]

@@FlashyExpressions Slight correction: You're Welcome, not Your.

[@clbtu1]

DO NOT BUY SAWGRASS!! It doesn't print green, yellow or blue accurately. You'll have to sell your house if you want to buy ink. I used Sawgrass for about six years. I saved $20,000 in one year on ink costs by changing to Epson Eco-tanks. The colors are excellent with the Epson. Sawgrass is a horrible nightmare of a company. There is zero support. Their answer to everything is to buy another printer. They will load changes into your computer even if you don't want them to. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT SAWGRASS!! You're welcome.

[@ALiM4Do4SelfMusic]

Thank You Sir!

[@mnedozaredd]

Hello, neither one Print white, isn’t that a concern??

[@FlashyExpressions]

That is correct. Both the Epson and Sawgrass are CMYK printers. Not sure, but I do not think there is a sublimation printer that prints white. Not printing white is not really a concern, it is just a limitation that you work around. Most substrates for sublimation are solid white and you just print all over the substrate the colors you want. When it comes to larger items you need to make sure your paper is large enough to cover the whole substrate and your heat press will press the whole substrate. You can print on other light color objects, but the available colors you can print will be limited. For example, you can sublimate a 100% polyester red shirts with black ink. Another option is to print on sublimation vinyl, then press the vinyl to the shirt. I have been trying to figure this out, but have not had any luck. The videos I find on this all use the camio cutter to cut the vinyl. I have a GCC puma and can not figure out how to contour cut with it.

[@Pixeltrainer]

It is a concern for photographers wanting to use aluminum as a substrate.

[@joegowac4617]

If you know what sublimation is , no it's not a concern.

[@ShastaLevi]

Sublimation printer printing white? Well there are white coated aluminium substrates for sublimation.

[@krissyskreations]

What company did you purchase your Epson 570 from?

[@FlashyExpressions]

All American Print and supply co.

[@InvisiMan2006]

A few things to keep in mind. Ink costs are a very small portion of your cost to produce product. So if, for example, you are making a mug with an SG800 vs an F570, the difference in ink may only be pennies. Even a larger print, lets say at worst case the print costs you $1 more, that's only $1 on top of the other costs (labor, substrate, staff, shipping, overhead, etc.). Cost of ink should not be the deciding factor between these two printers. While it can be important if you are always printing larger format, single image prints, it becomes less important if you are printing many smaller items (i.e keychains, mugs, coasters, etc.) as the difference in ink cost per item between these two printers is going to be very small.

[@FlashyExpressions]

When I looked at the replacement ink cost, I saw a huge difference. I would think this would translate into lower ink cost when printing a substrate with equal amounts of ink. I am new to this so time will tell.

[@billpearce9784]

@@FlashyExpressions Your math IS correct and after reading some of the negative comments, I have to wonder if they might be coming from either Sawgrass dealers or employees at the corporate headquarters of Sawgrass, HUMM?

[@robkamanda]

Thank You.

[@thedjflowpodcast]

Epson needs to pay you.

[@FlashyExpressions]

That would be cool.

[@leviteapparel]

JUST SUB

[@LibertyGraphicDesigns]

I forgot to hit the like button

[@Speciation]

When I need to show someone an example of counting apples and oranges, I'll show them this video. Your comparison makes no sense as the print heads are from complete two different brands so usage will be different.

[@FlashyExpressions]

In my video I mentioned I was new to the sublimation market. I have never operated a sublimation machine. I can not speak to or do I have a position on the print heads. I do have about 10 years of experience operating a DTG printer. From that experience I know when inks come in cartridges they are usually more expensive than in bulk. A 70ML cartridge for the sawgrass is about $131.00. A 142ML refill bottle for the epson F570 is about $18.00. The price per ML is about $1.87 and .13 cents respectively. A huge difference in price. Additionally, the Epson F570 comes with two full sets of ink. The whole reason for the video was to show how and why I went with the Epson. I had no intent to tell others what they should buy. Before I make a decision and purchase something like this printer, I like to view KZbin videos on the product. The more videos that provide good information the better. The good, the bad and the ugly. Thought my analyses could be of use to others.

[@Speciation]

@@FlashyExpressions I'm leaning towards Epson as well. I appreciate your effort into putting the info together.

[@judyromano5088]

@@FlashyExpressions I think you did a great job. I have owned the epson F170 for over a year and its great. I've just purchased the F570 2 weeks ago. When it comes to print heads NO One can predict when they'll need replacing. My HP all in one has the same ones from 22 yrs ago with no problems. I chose the Epson due to the initial cost and the reoccuring cost. Having a printer that you can't afford to refill does no good. i've only put ink in my F170 once in a year. It still has the same maintenance kit and prints great. Every video I've seen shows it also has better print quality along with the finiancial part of it. Great job on the video.