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Hey everyone! I was invited to attend the 2024 Catholic Answers Conference in San Diego. Big shoutout to Catholic Answers for helping set up this interview with ‪@JimmyAkin‬ ! I loved doing this talk and hope it helps with furthering the Catholic-Protestant dialogue.
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[@SipswithSerra]

Nobody in the Bible wore a cowboy hat, Jimmy is anti biblical.

[@georgefuentes4112]

😂😂😂

[@corfinoaerialproductions9172]

🤠

[@katathoombz]

😱 me timbers be shivered!

[@DrewTheCatholic]

😂😂

[@denisbeaulieu3004]

Please to see lots of great Catholic KZbinrs here. Looking at you @SipswithSerra and &DrewtheCatholic.

[@Gio-ce8ob]

Jimmy is the man! The Lord works through this man. God bless and thanks for the video!

[@bjh13us]

What he says here about Justification is something I've been hitting hard on for years now. It doesn't completely fix the problems with our Protestant brothers and sisters, but it does at least frame it correctly so we can at least have honest conversations about what the differences are rather than working from some parody of Catholic teaching they got from somewhere else.

[@ThornyCrown-l5d]

The fact that papal subordination is necessary for salvation (let alone a host of other things) nullifies anything Aiken has to say.

[@apostolicapologetics4829]

@@ThornyCrown-l5d What do you mean by necessary (absolute vs. normative)? What do you mean by salvation (initial vs. ongoing sanctification vs. glorification)

[@richardconlan6711]

​@@ThornyCrown-l5dTry to imagine if the Catholic claims are true, then it's like refusing to be in union with Peter and Paul and the apostles. Imagine what Paul's response would be to a Christian refusing unity with him. It might seem less incredible when you take that perspective. God bless!

[@ThornyCrown-l5d]

@@apostolicapologetics4829 Ask Boniface VIII. His words are clear as the light of day. "It is altogether necessary for salvation that EVERY HUMAN CREATURE be subject to the Roman Pontiff" (in his ludicrous, "Unam Sanctam"). A false gospel doesn't get any more clear than that.

[@ThornyCrown-l5d]

@@richardconlan6711 Trying to imagine the scenario you suggest is not an apologetic at all, but simply wishful thinking and proves absolutely nothing.

[@boingboing5361]

This guy is great! I like the common ground starting point. This should apply to everything we do in life and helps the dialogue! Great job!

[@ggmorris71]

I’m not sure this is Jimmy there is no purple attire. Peace and blessings Jimmy thanks for your wisdom.

[@stoneagearcher3477]

Faith without works is dead. Straight out of the Bible!

[@DrewTheCatholic]

Darn, thought I clicked on Branden’s channel: The Chatichumen.

[@thecatechumen]

@@DrewTheCatholic 😂😂😂😂

[@zachmaxwell]

* The Chatechumin

[@ainako1010]

Ayyyyy this setup is looking niccccccceeeeeee. I need to step it up. LOL. (Lord, may you provide)

[@DavidTheZealot]

Would be a blessing for you to host me or come visit us in The Zealots Den! God bless brother

[@t.d6379]

They're at the conference

[@ainako1010]

@@t.d6379 Thanks. I started to realize as I watched longer. I think there's an AC unit in the back haha. Well, at least the camera work and angles were nicely done.

[@dynamic9016]

Really appreciate this discussion 🙏.

[@jacksonjames2489]

I think Protestants AREN'T sola fide at all. Quite the opposite. Contradistinguishing 'fides,' I think they actually end up with 'fides extra totus' or even 'fide contra totus.' It's traditional sacramental and apostolic Christianity that is 'sola fide' because it is this that is, like, 'totus in fide.' The latter brings everything into 'fides' and refuses to acknowledge the irrelevance of the faith to anything (and vice versa) while the former becomes almost a 'fides absconditus,' an ineffable je ne sais quoi over against 'everything else.'

[@stricklst]

Sola fide works if you get hit by lightning and die immediately after baptism. Othherwise….

[@maria22623]

😂 nice

[@ucheodozor4147]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@julieoelker1865]

In case of emergency, anyone can baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit with water, providing the person has agreed to it.

[@taylorbarrett384]

It only works in that instance if the "Fide" is repentance, and if it's repentance, then it works and is sufficient for the entire Christian life, not just initial justification

[@1SigloUno]

@@stricklst sola fide works if you trust in Jesus and die like the thief on the cross who had faith in Christ. Otherwise you’re just like the kingdom of Israel who continually put faith in their works than true faith in God.

[@BlankPaperFilms]

Love it!

[@mattnelms2522]

Having spent 22 years as a devout Catholic and 22 years as a strong Protestant I believe we are NOT that uncommon in the tier 1 type topics. The theology of salvation is an important issue where we're aligned but also very different. I'll share my personal assessment across the 3 salvation segments of "were saved" (justified), we are "being saved" (sanctified), we "will be saved" (glorified). I think Catholics and Protestants are 85ish% in agreement in the first. 70% in the second, and 95% in the 3rd.

[@aussierob7177]

We are so far apart it is impossible to be re-united. When Christ re-establishes his Church on earth. There will only be one holy catholic and apostolic Church. Protestants will have no options. They will be part of the Church, whether they like it or not. I cannot understand why Protestants reject the works we have to do to be saved. These are not works for our benefits. These are commanded by God, such as the Charitable Works of Mercy. Among all these , giving alms to the poor is one of the chief witnesses to fraternal charity I is also a work of justice pleasing to God Tob. 4:5-11 Sir. 17:22 Mat. 6:2-4. And, don't say you are "saved" before you do these works. These works lead to salvation.

[@mattnelms2522]

@aussierob7177 thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think we'll see the fuller reality much more clearly when all His chosen and beloved are standing together as a royal priesthood of believers before Him ... before His heavenly throne of grace ... as a Bride adorned for her groom! Based on the Holy Spirit's conviction in me and the Bible's clear teaching, we will credit Him for it all! As much as some would love to say here and now ... "look what I've done for Him" "look how I participated and contribute so much toward my holiness"... then and there we will only be able to say LOOK AT HIM and LOOK AT WHAT THE LORD HAS DONE! Our works will be as filthy rags (to quote the God-breathed words of our King). But to many (unchanged in their futile old covenant ways, arrogant and self-glorifying) He will say ... I never knew you.

[@mattnelms2522]

@aussierob7177 Saint Paul, in the letter to Ephesians, seems to explain (rather clearly) to the one true church in that city at that time ... that they are saved FOR works. But I'm not seeing a reminder about being saved BY works. In fact we see a cautionary exhortation in that letter to not think it is BY our works. Some think pronouns are the biggest deal ... I think prepositions are much more important! When applying the process of salvation in our lives, a reasonable intellectual goal would be to align closer to how the Lord sees it happening ... in His great love for us IN Christ. And to be careful when old covenant ways creep back into our thinking...( i.e. His role vs our role in justification -> sanctification -> glorification.)

[@_ROMANS_116]

Lord I tried to tell them That the Bible, your Holy Word was not enough! How’s that going to sound?

[@adrianng2280]

A VERY important discussion. I think Dr Scott Hahn in the commentary on Romans did raise a concern that most Catholics are practical Pelagians. They believe that people are saved by works. Therein lies the problem that alarms Protestants.

[@franka792]

Protestants should be more concerned about rejecting the Eucharist.

[@OzCrusader]

I believe as a cradle Catholic that we are saved wholly and solely by God’s grace, love and mercy, without which we cannot have faith, hope and love. Let me ask you a sincere question. Must we have faith before God’s grace can save us?

[@vercingetorix5708]

@@franka792Anglicans, Lutherans and many other believers in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Also less than half of Catholics believe in transubstantiation.

[@franka792]

@@vercingetorix5708 Yes I understand not all Protestants reject the Eucharist. And that’s wonderful. Of those that do, accept it how many believe in transubstantiation? How would you find that info? Who would admit to that? Who polled the Catholics about transubstantiation? Who would admit to not believing in transubstantiation? Sounds like fake news to me. I know not every Catholic believes it but your stats sound like Catholic bashing.

[@franka792]

@@OzCrusader You answered it in your first statement.

[@lightninlad]

Let’s review the ultimate example of how we acquire *salvation* or what we call *justification*, by examining the life of King David…in a few, simple to understand *steps*. **Step 1.** BEFORE David was King, he was called a man after God’s heart[1 Sam 3:14], which is similar to what God said about Abraham AFTER he credited him with righteousness[Romans 4:3]. David was justified, meaning he had eternal life. **Step 2.** The faith that justified both David and Abraham was a “gift” from God[Ephesians 2:8]. **Step 3.** “Repentance” is also referred to as a gift from God[Acts 11:18]. It’s NOT a work of man. **Step 4.** AFTER David became King, he murdered *Uriah the Hittite* and the apostle John tells us that “no murderer” has *eternal life* dwelling within him[1 John 3:15]. That means David lost his justification. **Step 5.** Paul wrote in Romans 4:6-8 that AFTER David lost his justification, he was re-justified for his faith “apart from works”, by which he(Paul) meant that there was no “work” originating with *man* that resulted in his(David’s) justification. Note that in **step 3** we said that “repentance” is *not* a work of *man*. **Step 6.** To demonstrate this, Paul cites Psalm 32 and we read in that passage that it is only AFTER David did the “good work” of repentance that God removed the guilt of his *sin*, resulting in justification. **Step 7.** We see how in 1 John 1:9 it says that if we confess our sins, God is just and shall purify us from all unrighteousness-EXACTLY as what happened in the example of King David. **Step 8.** Even though David was a man of faith **for the WHOLE YEAR** that he remained “silent”(Psalm 32) about his sin, his “faith alone” did NOT result in his re-justification. It was only AFTER David combined his faith with the “good work” of repenting-the work that comes from God as a *gift*(Acts 11:18)-that he *finally* procured *justification*. Therefore “faith alone” without “works” is *dead* and *cannot justify*. Hence why **James 2:26** says that *verbatim*. **Conclusion:** Martin Luther’s Sola Fide is *false*. Deliberate sin will *destroy* one’s justification[Heb.10:26] until that person combines their faith, which is a gift from God, with “repentance”, which is also a gift, and only then will one be able to receive justification “through faith”. It’s not through faith *alone*[James 2:24] since the good work of *repentance* is also necessary to procure justification, as in the example of King David. Hence why **canon 9** of the Council of Trent says: >”If any one saith, **that by faith alone** the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that **nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification** and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; **let him be anathema.”**

[@Zivandra]

When you were discussing indulgences, I pictured in my mind prayers for the souls in Purgatory to be like donating blood to a sick or injured person. IYO, is this a good analogy?

[@menoftheclothKTOG]

Did you ever do that video you spoke of doing regarding 'elder led' vs magisterial/apostolic/successive ecclesiology?

[@danielpiselli]

Finished Seth's vid. Hopping straight over here lol

[@adrianng2280]

The idea can be heretical but the person cannot be called a heretic

[@jonathanstensberg]

In other words, salvation is by faith alone only insofar as one means by those words neither “faith” nor “alone”.

[@j897xce]

Two different Christian purposes. Either its uniting our free will with that of God's. Or it's convincing others that it's already finished.

[@apostolicapologetics4829]

@15:18 I am not sure why "punishment" or "penal" are seen as bad words in the protestant community but words like "consequences" or "disciplines" are okay. How is a consequence not the same as punishment? How can we pit medicinal against penal or pain since it is usually the case that medicinal actions are painful? @19:46 I think we could say our prayers are like spiritual anesthesia to those going through purification. Our prayers make their transition through purification more smooth.

[@treydean7997]

Feel like I need an infallible interpreter to distinguish between what previous popes have taught and what Jimmy is teaching here.

[@QBlessed93]

Let me guess, you baptized yourself?

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

what did previous pope taught and what is jimmy teaching?

[@E5nklodrthb]

It changes from one infallible teacher to the next😂

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

@@E5nklodrthb Caricaturing the catholic position does not make you look any better

[@RedRoosterRoman]

Jimmy is literally basing this off St Pope Benedict XVI Who made a document on this. This is also in the catechism. And is literally just reading what Trent actually says... So 🤷‍♂️

[@Tylerbngjk]

catholic church doctrine on being saved is you are justified by faith via the sacraments (eucharist, baptism, confession)

[@carmeister_]

Only complain is that his was too short lol

[@joachim847]

The discussion of Purgatory as healing made me think of how "recently the Roman Catholic understanding of the faith is becoming more like the Eastern Orthodox understanding". Have y'all (Catholics) come across this idea, and what are your thoughts?

[@timmcvicker5775]

At 10:08 Jimmy Atkin just agreed with the protestant position in that there is no merit by man. Everything we have or will receive is from God... "so that no man can boast." That is the protestant position. We receive salvation through faith in God. This results in good works but works do not account for anything tpward salvation. We show our faith to others. (

[@John_Fisher]

Right, this is both the Catholic and Protestant position. Jimmy's intention is to show that areas where many people on both sides think that Catholics and Protestants disagree but they are not actually points of disagreement; that in this particular respect the Protestant and Catholic position are the same once we work through the different use of language.

[@BrandonG667]

4:02 “So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, ‘Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousnes’; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? - James 2:17, 22-25 … so my question- is this directly teaching the faith + works formulation?

[@gbnessdot96]

Catholics know what grace is, or at least what a free gift is! Everybody likes to get things for free. Right, right? I mean, go to the grocery or malls, at costco, etc. There will be lines to the free to taste kiosk. So why in the hell will catholics pass up on free salvation??? Works-based salvation is a protestant invention. This strategy is to create your own enemy which you alone can defeat. Because salvation is a man named Jesus, son of the Father, salvation then can come from God alone. Salvation, who is Jesus, is also grace. So the unprotestant way to state this is: Salvation is Jesus incarnate(not the law and prophets)=salvation is grace thru faith ( not by works of man).

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

What and whom are they protesting against? The Church established by Jesus and His apostles. (Dot, period, full stop) Can't see anything that can go wrong with that.

[@vercingetorix5708]

The Orthodox Church?

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

@@vercingetorix5708 God is consistent, especially towards those who wish evils upon His elect.

[@1SigloUno]

@@DoingItTheHardWayAgain yes you are right Jesus established the Catholic Church which means universal church not Roman.

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

@@1SigloUno One of the orders given was "Tenete Traditiones", what better time than now to turn back to the early Church in accordance with that order.

[@1SigloUno]

@@DoingItTheHardWayAgain where do read that? Scripture and verse.

[@chuckHart70]

I love Jimmy Akin however sometimes I think as a convert his lens is a bit distorted. When Protestants say grace alone or faith alone. The works they are referring to are the sacraments. So Jimmy's explanation is a bit lacking. We cannot accept faith without "works" in this context.

[@Vaughndaleoulaw]

Lutherans (and some Anglicans) affirm baptismal regeneration. Lutherans (and some Anglicans) hold to a real presence. And numerous Protestant denominations teach the sacraments are means of grace.

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

5:13 ~ Really? Or maybe your misinterpretation of the context is what disagrees. Ephesians 2:8-9 is clear that Paul is showing that we ARE saved by Gods grace, through our true faith in Jesus, period. Not by works at all. So you're saying Paul is now CONTRADICTING himself? That's on you, not me. 🤷‍♂Paul brings up people who claim to have faith but if they do not have love then that "faith" can only do so much. If you have faith but not love, it means your faith (trust) is not real faith in the God of Love to begin with. Maybe they have a mental "faith" in how powerful God is. That's still not trusting IN God Himself, or else they'd then understand that God is Love, not just Power. Again: God is Love, and if you have TRUE FAITH in the God of Love, then you'll also have Love in your heart, when you're born of the Holy Spirit of God (Love). Love is but an evidence of your true faith in the God of Love (Jesus Christ). It's similar to people erroneously thinking that they're "saved by works" when they read the book of James. This is not true, of course, as we're only saved by Gods grace through our faith in Him. Period. The works will FOLLOW (God doing the works through us ~> Ephesians 2:10) when one has true faith in Jesus that leads them to being born of the Holy Spirit of God, yes, but the works unto themselves DO NOT "save" our souls. They're simply a result of God working in and through us when we truly have genuine faith in Jesus to become born of the Holy Spirit. You're mixing things up here.

[@John_Fisher]

Perhaps you went on to listen to the rest of the discussion and already know this, but if you listen to the next 45 seconds of the conversation up until 6:00, then your comment is actually agreeing with what Jimmy is explaining, not disagreeing. He is saying that a faith working through love if what saves us rather than just a 'faith' that is mere intellectual assent.

[@jess96154]

Great discussion! I completely agree that when talking about justification with protestants there's a lot of misunderstanding over what trent is actually condemning and what the true differences really are between Catholics and protestants. There are still differences, but when the issue has been properly spelled out, i think there is much more agreement than people realize.

[@E5nklodrthb]

Set aside what others (Catholics or Protestants) might say for a moment. Here are some questions: If entering heaven demands absolute perfection, yet the law states that no one except Jesus is perfect, how can ordinary people attain the same perfection as Christ and gain entry into God's kingdom? What does the Bible teach about how we achieve righteousness?

[@jess96154]

@@E5nklodrthb as the Bible teaches, salvation is from the Lord. No one is saved or perfected apart from the grace, mercy, and work of God. This work of perfection begins in sanctification and is completed prior to entering heaven. That completion can be spoken of in various ways though.

[@E5nklodrthb]

@@jess96154 so are you saying we perfect ourselves by doing works empowered by God?

[@jess96154]

@@E5nklodrthb I wouldn't use the language of perfecting ourselves by God empowered works since it makes us sound like the active agent and God the passive agent. I'd rather use the language of phil 2:12-13. We are commanded to work out our salvation. At the same time we are told that it is God working in us. We are working and God is working. It's a both/and situation. It's synergistic.

[@DavidTheZealot]

Would be a blessing to have me on or visit us in the Zealots Den! God bless brother

[@waynecornell-w5u]

How does a Baby Confess Jesus and Repent from their Sins?

[@dyzmadamachus9842]

Doesn't need to. Baptism washes away the stain of original sin, and saves it.

[@waynecornell-w5u]

@@dyzmadamachus9842 READ BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER 2 VERSE 38 PETER SAYS YOU MUST REPENT FIRST THEN BE BAPTIZED WASNT HE YOUR FIRST POPE

[@waynecornell-w5u]

@@dyzmadamachus9842 what is original sin?

[@Wgaither1]

So how could the church teach if you die right after baptism if baptism doesn’t free you of disordered desires?

[@frisco61]

Because you haven’t had the chance to sin.

[@Wgaither1]

@@frisco61 So you’re saying you can go to heaven with disordered desires

[@E5nklodrthb]

Set aside what others (Catholics or Protestants) might say for a moment. Here are some questions: If entering heaven demands absolute perfection, yet the law states that no one except Jesus is perfect, how can ordinary people attain the same perfection as Christ and gain entry into God's kingdom? What does the Bible teach about how we achieve righteousness?

[@SolaPastora]

Leave a mother/father/sister/brother and “follow Him.” No normal person can beat a ‘Monastic.’ - follow the ten commandments? Great, now sell everything you own, give the money to the poor, then ‘follow Him.’ And even then, you still must follow the commandments and the sermon on the mount. produce fruit and eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood to remain in the vine and have life. -- does it sound like Protestantism? Let the dead bury the dead.

[@RedRoosterRoman]

God declares us righteous. BUT... When God "declares" something... What happens (Genesis 1) What He declares happens By grace through formed faith we are made "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter) Nobody can go to heaven without being drawn by the Father. This declaration is not earned. It is simply cooperating with the Holy Spirit. If one refuses to co-operate then God is a gentleman and lets us reject Him

[@E5nklodrthb]

@@RedRoosterRoman you said God declares us righteous! Do you mean Catholic infusion or Protestant imputed - righteousness? Which one you going with?

[@E5nklodrthb]

@@SolaPastora first off, no one has ever followed the 10 commandments! That includes monastics. Now what, sinners go to hell!

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@E5nklodrthb Take your meds

[@jeromepopiel388]

CC believes in salvation by works since it says one must be baptized, which itself is a work or action.

[@KyleWhittington]

1 Peter 3:21. I guess the Bible is unbiblical.

[@QBlessed93]

Humans are bound by the sacraments. God is not bound by the sacraments. If you are capable of being obedient to God, his commandments, and his sacraments, you should.

[@conservativecatholic9030]

⁠​⁠@@KyleWhittington or perhaps his personal interpretation of scripture is unbiblical… I think it’s more likely that.

[@jeromepopiel388]

@@QBlessed93 that is walking by sight and not by faith. Romans 8:4 [4]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 5:7 [7](For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

​@@jeromepopiel388Faith is a work since it is something you must do!

[@paulsmallwood1484]

A Protestant response. This is an exercise where two Roman Catholic apologists are trying to convince us that “The Church” has always believed in justification by faith alone (but with certain qualifiers). This is a contemporary innovation and recent apologetics tool which flies in the face of actual history. The Council of Trent is unambiguous and clear. Those who profess justification by faith Alone are anathema. CANON 12: “If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified…let him be accursed.”. This council declares that if anyone disagrees with it, they are damned.

[@John_Fisher]

It seems to me the claim that “The Church has always believed in justification by faith alone (but with certain qualifiers)" is still true. The use of the term 'faith alone' can be found among Catholic theologans even prior to the Council of Trent, but they meant a particular kind of 'faith' and not everything that can be called 'faith' will justify. Canon 12 is rejecting a particular form of 'faith alone', fiducial faith (faith + hope), when what is needed to receive salvation initially is perfected faith (faith + hope + charity). Jimmy is agreeing with and explaining this in minutes 4-6 of this conversation.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@John_Fisher It is more than mere hope my friend. It is confidence. It is trust.

[@John_Fisher]

@@paulsmallwood1484 When we're talking about hope in the this context, we're not talking about a kind of 'mere hope' that is just wishful thinking. We are talking about the manner in which "we desire the Kingdom of Heaven and eternal life as our happiness, placing our trust in Christ's promises and relying not on our own strength, but on the help of the grace of the Holy Spirit." It is very important, along with faith it is among the 3 great theological virtues, but without love both faith and hope amount to nothing; that's why we need the grace of God to have this supernatural love.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@John_Fisher Salvation is all about God’s Grace. It is monergistic. Without spiritual regeneration brought about by the Holy Spirit, fallen man has no power or even inclination to desire God. Faith is a gift from God.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@John_Fisher Those God effectually calls he also freely justifies. He does this, not by infusing righteousness into them but by pardoning their sins and accounting and accepting them as righteous. He does this for Christ’s sake alone and not for anything produced in them or done by them. He does not impute faith itself, the act of believing, or any other gospel obedience to them as their righteousness. Instead, he imputes Christ’s active obedience to the whole law and passive obedience in his death as their whole and only righteousness by faith. This faith is not self-generated; it is the gift of God. 1Romans 3:24; 8:30. 2Romans 4:5-8; Ephesians 1:7. 31 Corinthians 1:30, 31; Romans 5:17-19. 4Philippians 3:8, 9; Ephesians 2:8-10. 5John 1:12; Romans 5:17. Faith that receives and rests on Christ and his righteousness is the only instrument of justification. Yet it does not occur by itself in the person justified, but it is always accompanied by every other saving grace. It is not a dead faith but works through love. 6Romans 3:28. 7Galatians 5:6; James 2:17, 22, 26. By his obedience and death, Christ fully paid the debt of all those who are justified. He endured in their place the penalty they deserved. By this sacrifice of himself in his bloodshed on the cross, he legitimately, really, and fully satisfied God’s justice on their behalf. Yet their justification is based entirely on free grace, because he was given by the Father for them, and his obedience and satisfaction were accepted in their place. These things were done freely, not because of anything in them, so that both the exact justice and the rich grace of God would be glorified in the justification of sinners. 8Hebrews 10:14; 1 Peter 1:18, 19; Isaiah 53:5, 6. 9Romans 8:32; 2 Corinthians 5:21. 10Romans 3:26; Ephesians 1:6,7; 2:7. From all eternity God decreed to justify all the elect, and in the fullness of time Christ died for their sins and rose again for their justification. Nevertheless, they are not justified personally until the Holy Spirit actually applies Christ to them at the proper time. 11Galatians 3:8; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Timothy 2:6. 12Romans 4:25. 13Colossians 1:21, 22; Titus 3:4-7. God continues to forgive the sins of those who are justified. Even though they can never fall from a state of justification, they may fall under God’s fatherly displeasure because of their sins. In that condition they will not usually have the light of his face restored to them until they humble themselves, confess their sins, plead for pardon, and renew their faith and repentance. 14Matthew 6:12; 1 John 1:7, 9. 15John 10:28. 16Psalms 89:31-33. 17Psalms 32:5; Psalms 51; Matthew 26:75. In all these ways, the justification of believers under the Old Testament was exactly the same as the justification of believers under the New Testament.

[@waynecornell-w5u]

Going to have to change a lot of Bible verses now, like Book of Acts Chapter 2 verse 21, whoever becomes Catholic will be saved , not whosoever calls on the name of THE LORD.This could take awhile for me to get the correct translation back in the Bible,

[@Vaughndaleoulaw]

Huh?

[@waynecornell-w5u]

@@Vaughndaleoulaw WHY DOESNT THE BIBLE SAY YOU MUST BE CATHOLIC TO BE SAVED

[@Vaughndaleoulaw]

@@waynecornell-w5u Why does not the Bible say you must be Christian to be saved?

[@waynecornell-w5u]

@@Vaughndaleoulaw It says whosoever!!!!!! Yahoo I am one of those Whosoever's

[@E5nklodrthb]

Is it true what Akin said; the Catholic Church doesn’t teach faith plus works. According to ccc 2068 he told a little lie here. Probably just because he doesn’t understand ccc 2068! May we pray this man learns what the RCC teaches and the Bible teaches 🙏

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

Does your denomination teach you to break the 10 comandments?

[@E5nklodrthb]

@@ezekielizuagie7496 Bible never teaches one to be lawless. What it does teach is that trying to earn salvation by following the law is sinful, it is self righteousness. The jews never learned this lesson for the most part. Catholics now perpetuate this issue the Jews fell into. Read Romans 9:27-33 and give me your best summary!

[@conservativecatholic9030]

@@E5nklodrthbdoes this mean you believe that a person with faith will follow the 10 Commandments?

[@ezekielizuagie7496]

@@E5nklodrthb So what happens if one is "Lawless"?. Keeping the Law apart from Faith is useless also having faith with obedience is also useless. Yes Isreal tried to keep the law without Faith.. But As Paul says in Romans also.. The righteois requirements of the Law will be fulfilled in us who live not according to the flesh but according to the spirit. Anyone who uses faith to deny obedience is looking for an excuse to live according to the flesh. Jesus himself commands obedience and keeping his commandments. if you think your faith in Jesus allows you to disobey him then thats your (faulty) interpretation.

[@E5nklodrthb]

@@ezekielizuagie7496 let me clarify your question for you. What happens when a saved (saved by faith) person is lawless? What happened when David a saved person was lawless? He was chastised for his sin! God disciplines his children for willful disobedience he doesn’t throw them in hell. Sometimes he may even kill them. Regardless, a saved person cannot have sin imputed to their soul, damning them, after they have come under the blood of Christ! Rom 5:9.

[@Mortylicious_]

Wwww

[@Pomni740]

jesus is not the messiah jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies the bible says the messiah will gather the exiles in deuteronomy 30:3 isaiah 11:11-12 jeremiah 30:3, 32:37 ezekiel 11:17, 36:24 the bible says the messiah will rebuild the temple in isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20 ezekiel 37:26-27 malachi 3:4 zechariah 14:20-21 the bible says when the messiah comes there will be world peace and a complete end to war in micah 4:1-4 hoseah 2:20 isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18 the bible says the messiah will bring universal knowledge of god in zechariah: 3:9 8:23, 14:9, 16 isaiah 45:23, 66:23; jeremiah 31:33 ezekie​l 38:23; psalm 86:9 zephaniah 3:9. jesus didn't do any of these things, so jesus can't be the messiah.

[@KyleWhittington]

He rose from the dead. Your argument is invalid.

[@Pomni740]

@KyleWhittington deuteronomy 13 says that false prophets can perform miracles, so even if jesus did raise from the dead, that would not prove he is the messiah.

[@conservativecatholic9030]

@@Pomni740you do know that Messiah in Hebrew means “anointed one”. None of those things you said take away from the fact that the meaning of that word applies to Jesus. All the rest of that is your personal interpretation and expectations of what you want from God.

[@Pomni740]

@conservativecatholic9030 Everyone has interpreted those prophecies to be about the messiah for 100s of years. Even christians interpret those prophecies to be about the messiah.

[@conservativecatholic9030]

@@Pomni740 okay, then they don’t disprove Jesus as being the Christ.

[@thatskinnylandonkid]

Christians are saved by Faith alone. Edit: I said "by" twice. Oops.

[@AllGloryandHonor]

Chapter/verse?

[@thatskinnylandonkid]

@@AllGloryandHonor Romans 3:28 is one example, but it is implied all throughout Scripture.

[@jeromepopiel388]

​@@AllGloryandHonoractually we are not saved by faith. We are saved through faith and BY grace. God alone does the saving work.

[@jeromepopiel388]

Purgatory is simply another form of disbelieving God. Hebrews 10:14 [14]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

[@filiusvivam4315]

@@thatskinnylandonkid false

[@jeromepopiel388]

Purgatory is not in the Bible and is simply disbelief. Hebrews 10:14 [14]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

[@KyleWhittington]

If there’s charity in your comment, I can’t find it. Accusing us of disbelief without understanding what we believe does nothing to move the conversation forward. If you want to actually reach Catholics, maybe you should represent us accurately. We don’t need to answer the accuser when we have The Redeemer.

[@filiusvivam4315]

You don't know authentic Christian theology

[@QBlessed93]

Purgatory is in the Bible, just not the specific word. Sort of like the Trinity.

[@conservativecatholic9030]

I’m not sure how your scriptural citation negates the need for one to be completed in sanctification after death. Perhaps I’m missing it, if so, please provide an explanation for why I should read your verse that way.

[@Mr.CUTE777]

No wonder Prots has only 66 books.. INCOMPLETE..😂😁

[@Justas399]

Salvation=faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone. John3:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10

[@Christ__is__King]

Yeah I'm not seeing "alone" in any of those verses. Why add words to Scripture?

[@DrewTheCatholic]

When is the only time faith alone is said in the Bible? Just wondering.

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

If the gospel is just a bunch of slogans, one would expect to find them in scripture. But no, turns out it that's not the case. Guess who's unbiblical?

[@fantasia55]

You added "alone".

[@elizabetho7654]

We all in this thread have common ground (thanks Jimmy!). We all agree that Jesus opened heaven for us and we need faith in Him. Thank you, Jesus! But also, "faith without works is dead."

[@alanhales6369]

Nowhere does the Bible say people are saved by works. Salvation is by faith and receiving Jesus as saviour alone. Nothing else is needed. Catholics ADD works and other things in order to get forgiveness. The Bible says we are justified by faith alone for salvation.

[@tabandken8562]

And yet Jesus said, "Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." Mat 25 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[@alanhales6369]

@@tabandken8562 Matt 25: 41--46, is is talking about fale religions like the Catholic Church. It's typical of false religious person to twist the scriptures.

[@jonathanstensberg]

On the contrary, Jesus himself added repentance, baptism, Eucharist, obedience, acts of charity, forgiving others, … Jesus explicitly commands a whole lot of things one must do to be saved.

[@dismas6992]

@@alanhales6369 No, it doesn't. The only one who twists the scripture is yourself. Jesus speaks in Matth. 25: 31 - 46 about the Last Judgement, he will hold at the Last Day, NOT ABOUT FALSE RELIGION. He doesn't speak at all of any faith. The only criteria for who goes to hell and who goes to heaven is whether they exercised acts of charity or not. You have to read this of course in the context of the general statements in the Bible about salvation for human beings. Considering now Matthew 25: 31 - 46 and all other Bible passages about how we are saved, the Bible clearly says we are saved by FAITH + GOOD ACTS in the sense of charity. It's typical for Protestants to ignore what they don't like and to twist holy scripture like they want.

[@dismas6992]

@@alanhales6369 No, it doesn't. The only one who twists the scripture is yourself. Jesus speaks in Matth. 25: 31 - 46 about the Last Judgement, he will hold at the Last Day, NOT ABOUT FALSE RELIGION. He doesn't speak at all of any faith. The only criteria for who goes to hell and who goes to heaven in this Bible passage is whether they exercised acts of charity. You have to read this of course in the context of the general statements in the Bible about salvation for human beings. Considering Matthew 25: 31 - 46 and all other Bible passages about how we are saved, the Bible clearly says we are saved by FAITH + GOOD ACTS in the sense of charity. It's typical for Protestants to ignore what they don't like and to twist holy scripture like they want by ADDING things to the texts that are nowhere written.