Saying gg is toxic. | OW2 Hot Takes #54

[@YVANV3]

I’ve noticed that in 90% of the matches I lose, it’s always the enemy team that says gg first, right as my whole team instantly leaves the match. But when I win, the entire enemy team also instantly leaves, and it’s my team saying gg. In conclusion, it’s hypocritical to be a good sport only when you win, if when you lose, you just leave the match without saying anything.

[@Minisynapse]

Exactly. It pains me how so few seem to get this in the comments, but I suspect they are these hypocrites as well and they avoid cognitive dissonance by typing their comments here. I collected data on this from 109 games and the difference in the amounts of "ggs" by winners and losers was bright as day, and statistically significant. The hypocricy you talk about is absolutely real and can be seen by anyone who pays attention to it over many games, easily.

[@newbornkilik]

Interesting it always seems to me (not in comp) that it's almost always the enemy team that ggs whether we win or lose.

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

why does it matter at all if someone say gg or leaves depending on the outcome of the match?

[@YVANV3]

@@newbornkilik in qp or any other game mode that insn't comp ppl tend to not take the game that serious, so is not really a surprise

[@YVANV3]

@@livesinalazywonderland4021 By common sense, when people win, they feel a sense of satisfaction or well-being, so it's normal for them to try to act sportsmanlike. Meanwhile, the loser, whether it was a stomp or a close game, walks away with a bitter taste and a sense of having wasted their time. They tend to leave without saying anything because they’re not in the mood to endure the enemy rubbing in a "gg" when, clearly, for them, it wasn’t a good game.

[@ThicciJo]

Hot take: It is simply part of the culture in Overwatch to be toxic. The vast vast majority of people are tilting and blaming their teammates for everything and have no ability to see their own mistakes. 90% of chat messages are to flame a teammate, an opponent, or the general game itself. Voice chat is entirely worthless and only leads to vulgar language and more flaming. There's never been any hope for this to change and a result, relatively calm and kind people like myself resort to being a part of the problem as well. Maybe it's not what it's SUPPOSED to be like, but the community has nurtured this environment

[@Da5kone001]

I think you’re likely just toxic. Be a positive experience for your teammates and you get way less toxic teammates learned that playing league for years. Ow isn’t toxic most people are super chill

[@cavasoul]

playing pvp games really shows me who played sports growing up and who didn’t

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

@@cavasoul i didn’t play team sports growing up but im grateful for being able to play online pvp games and express that by saying gg after every match i play, thanks for playing whether the match is close or a stomp

[@Gymthingz]

@@livesinalazywonderland4021sometimes you gg because it was a stomp. Then gg because it was a tough game

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

@@Gymthingz trueeeeeeeeeeeee

[@LadyVineXIII]

In part, but I also feel like it is a how you were raised thing. I was not a sports person growing up, but I was raised with Sportsmanship and it's importance.

[@Gymthingz]

@@cavasoul you still have cry babies on sports teams.

[@Wickedincarnate]

If gg in general starts to feel toxic its time to stop playing for a bit. You are not having fun you are torturing yourself.

[@Rohndogg1]

This. If you're getting mad at a simple gg the toxicity is coming from inside the house

[@vox_gaming4734]

There’s def something about it that can rub people the wrong way. If I am playing a game and we roll the enemy I don’t like to say GG because it feels like I’m rubbing it in their face, or if we win a round 100-0 and it’s not close GR is another one. I feel like it’s a snarky way of people trying to be toxic but can’t be banned

[@wswann34]

​@@vox_gaming4734 gg is kinda annoying for real especially when the game was one sided but calling it toxic is something else lol

[@muscleman185]

@@wswann34nah fr like homie you can just turn off match chat if it bugs you

[@FlareToga76]

​@vox_gaming4734 that's just weird. gg isn't toxic in any way and taking it that way is just pathetic af

[@lWreyl]

The person talking about missing a "standard guy" I just kept saying "Solider?" "Soldier??" 😭

[@SweetSourOranges]

Legit 😂 Soldier is so standard people have forgotten about him

[@Roach_Toast]

If I purchase a battlepass I shouldn't be locked into a time frame to complete it and get my moneys worth out of it. It should just available to complete at all times if I spent money.

[@waynesoon0101]

Helldivers 2 and halo should be the standard for every bp

[@njebs.]

Overwatch is an ensemble game, with an ensemble cast. Why tf would it need a protagonist? Tracer is more of a poster girl for the series (though it feels like Kiriko is gradually overtaking that title from her), and the male equivalent is maybe Winston or Soldier. What would the game gain from a protagonist-like figure?

[@BegetterVIIEVEN]

Notice that it's almost always the winning team who immediately types "GG" after stomping your team out 🙄.

[@SocialExperiment232]

The dude talking about how content creators really sway opinions is so true. I can just tell what content creator a player watches just by how passionately they talk about the game.

[@josewolf9884]

I partially agree, but have you seen the comments on the emongg vod reviews? Despite him being super nice and educational his chat is hostile af whenever a player makes a single mistake.

[@gentlemankaiju1997]

Thanks!

[@gummostump4217]

@josewolf9884 i think youtube is just rife with bad ow content and comments. KZbin commenter's aren't playing the game, they're playing the politics around the game instead, because that's what they prefer. Outrage makes engagement, and engagement is the locus of social media.

[@Mr_Sting]

People do seem to type “gg” as a default message a lot of the time. I’ve had plenty of matches where my team rolled the others, and it was boring. I’d rather a good long match that I lose. That’s gg for me, and many seem to have forgotten the proper meaning. That said, it really isn’t something to be irritated by, at worst I see it as a neutral thing in the case that it’s a poor match, not good, but not bad. It’s a show of good sportsmanship as he said in the video.

[@Da5kone001]

It’s like shaking hands after a sport doesn’t matter if you mean it it’s still good sportsmanship imo

[@TylerOfTrade]

Hot Take: Tier list made by content creators have a conflicting effect on the player base that watch them. Most creators of tier list are very high elo, while the majority of the player base and likely people who watch tier list are gold. And what may be S/F tier at high elo may be completely different at the average elo. And I do not think this is solely tier list just an easy focus point. Just their mumbled half distracted opinion can have an effect. A kind of example to this. I've seen this effect on a high rank friend of mine before. Got matched against them in a qp game. They had seen a tier list that placed Mauga in D tier, and after the game I say the Mauga pick was kinda evil. They then said "Mauga is garbage right now." The content creator that made that tier list, made an updated tier list saying that the previous one was incorrect. And placed Mauga in A tier after. I feel people take what content creators say as gospel sometimes and don't think for themselves and see if they come to the correct conclusion. I want to make clear I don't think everyone takes what they say as gospel, just that some do. And I hope they would have a more trust, but verify attitude.

[@sneezebazooka6068]

Honestly the big takeaway is that tier lists doesn’t really matter below high tier because a lot of people in lower ranks have a limited pool of heroes they can play, and they just pick from there unless they’re forced to counterpick. If youre a Winston one trick in plat, you’re unlikely to play doom or junkerqueen if you suck at them even if they get giga buffed. The only time it trickles down is when the less complex characters become meta (eg orisa,hog,moira). Also the lower the rank, the larger the range of skill between players (is the gold 3 player someone who is smurfing/doesn’t play a lot, someone who plays a lot and if so, are they a 1 trick held back by teammates or someone that skirts by from counterpicking). That skill diff does more than the meta does. In higher tier, everyone has to basically play the game constantly so there is less of a skill gap from smurfing/inactivity. Also players in those elos are more likely to have a wider hero pool as most people can no longer get away with one tricking unless they invest an exorbitant amount of time

[@tylerbacoka4248]

I watch Karq when I realize that I need a soft blanket in a windstorm.

[@ducky350]

“Saying gg is toxic” is exactly why nobody talks in this game. You will get reported for saying anything and blizzard WILL take action. I’ve been chat banned for 2 weeks for saying nothing (genuinely I don’t even use text chat that often, definitely nothing I said was nasty)

[@kxngmuzikig2417]

i only see gg as toxic is when the enemy team absolutely destroyed us. i take it literally and think, "no. it was not a good game and you know it." im just frustrated from the match more so than the gg.

[@BarakaAndrew]

gg isnt toxic, mental issues here are the problem, gg isnt a trigger word, some people should seek mental help

[@kxngmuzikig2417]

@BarakaAndrew its not mental issues😅 ofc gg is a sportsmanship thing. but it the winning team types gg when they absolutely destroyed the other with no sense of competition, i see that as taunting🤷🏾‍♂️ when it's a good somewhat even match, gg is kind sportsmanship.

[@asssssssssdawdadw]

honestly sometimes i say it out of habit, i try not to. i realize what i did and feel bad, but i don't know what to say afterwards

[@Xainos28]

Hot Take: Mythic weapons can help you improve your gameplay, I am a support main who mostly plays Moira, Mercy, Brigitte, and Lifeweaver because I am bad at aiming, I been trying to expand by playing ana and felt I don't contribute much into helping my team get kills or anything. But since I got Midnight Sun and seeing the flashy kill animation even when I don't do the final kill shot, I felt more confident as well as seeing the gun evolve as I continue playing the match. Since then it's helping my confidence to improve my shots to not just heal my team, but also take aim at enemies (which still needs work) even improve my sleep dart shots little by little. Overall my aim on ana has been improving and it's thanks to the mythic weapon, I believe as more mythic weapons come out, the kill and evolve animations can help improve people's gameplay through confidence in team contribution.

[@Mrs.Magix58]

sounds like a skill issue

[@Xainos28]

@Mrs.Magix58 sounds like a troglodyte response

[@tylerbacoka4248]

omg that's the saddest paragraph I've ever read. Your mythic skins is carrying you.....omg....kill me...

[@Aws0meness202]

this issue is very similar with valorant gun skins, if your interested in the issue i'd suggest taking a look at all the data people have probably collected on that.

[@sharlo5856]

have you considered that getting the mythic just encouraged you to play ana more, and that you are improving simply through practice alone?

[@hoolly]

ppl are getting banned cause they are typing "gg" or also "maybe try to work on your mental"

[@jonah-b7k]

Saying gg isn't toxic but people really only say gg when they win and it's not good sportsmanship to only say gg if you win. I honestly don't say gg because it feels a bit tedious to do.

[@artilire]

Saying gg after the end of the game is good sportsmanship, nothing toxic about it even if it's said sarcastically l Saying it BEFORE the game ends is incredibly toxic, way more so than "ez" or "yall suck" and it should count as an insult

[@wswann34]

Also saying gg after rolling a team leans more on the taunting side knowing damn well that wasn't a good game lol

[@charchadonto]

@@wswann34 True but on the other hand it is still better to say gg then, *welp i guess that happenend, sucks to be you guys!*

[@wswann34]

@@charchadonto yeah it's a low key only way to taunt without getting chat banned as blizzard won't see it as a problem

[@MegaOzmoz]

being toxic isn't that bad "it's only a game why you have to be mad"

[@Minisynapse]

Saying "gg" after the game ends is NOT good sportsmanship for most people because they mostly say it only when they win. This is a fact and it makes saying "gg" hypocritical. People like to think "I'm a good sport" but in fact, they do good things only when they feel good (aka win). Few say gg after a lost game. The amount of times I've seen a team roll us only for almost all of the enemies to say gg, then lose to us in the next game and be absolutely silent is ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous to me is how so few recognize that this happens all the time, but I guess you have to participate in that hypocritical behavior to remain blind to it.

[@moistwindow6094]

The main character thing is so wrong, there's tracer, but if you don't want a female lead, there's Winton, if you don't want a gorilla and you just really need that generic white guy, there's soldier, he's a "tired of this shit" white dude with gun, he is the most generic protag character possible, but outside of that, it's a hero shooter, whichever character you main... that's your main character there

[@prestonmitchell9135]

Soldier is a vigilante he's not your generic good guy. Also why is the white part important?

[@breakfaith3031]

​@@prestonmitchell9135Batman's a vigilante, he's still the protagonist.

[@TylerOfTrade]

Hot Take: If widow keeps her long range one-shot lethality, she should have a close range weakness. I have seen numerous times widows that can headshot at close range. I've seen games where the widow will just play close range with their team as if they're an ashe/cass and roll the other team. In my opinion she should be strong at long range and weak at close range. This way there's an actual reason to use the SMG, and that if you're flanking her she actually has to rely on the team a bit more to protect her instead of being able to one-shot you.

[@BarakaAndrew]

lol this is the worst idea I have seen, do u know how hard it is to play sniper close range? its a skill issue, if you are that good playing close range u deserve the win, widow is the worst heroes close range, u want them to make her even worse? maybe just maybe u should be better that way ull easily 1v1 a widow at close range

[@breakfaith3031]

Skill issue. If you're consistently taking L's to a widow up close then you need to work on your movement, you're way too predictable.

[@maxplayz1-o7i]

Wrecking Ball as a character is insanely overpowered but held back by multiple skill issues (self, team etc) and that's why they refuse to/can't touch his primary weapon damage

[@Sidiskee]

and format

[@justinhumanttv]

Ball is a hero that entirely relies on skill expression. It's similar to how widow is useless unless you actually hit shots. If you have skill, you can dominate a lobby.

[@alfredocaceres4680]

@@justinhumanttv Difference is widow still has the threat factor. People will seek cover because of the one shot potential as hitscan.

[@johnh3611]

In low ranks he gets value (too much value) simply by existing and rolling around. In higher ranks people have the skill necessary to be a menace. He's annoying because he's never actually bad and always dictates the match.

[@kiayaoi]

4:38 this is only something a teenage boyman would write lmfao. soldier is your protagonist guy. i'm sorry he's old and gay but he is indeed your Straight Up Good Guy. he literally gives you the damn tutorial wtf else do you need

[@lostgiya]

pissed me tf off to hear like what??😒

[@constantine6202]

Overwatch does have a main protagonist guy, Soldier 76. I would argue Soldier, Tracer, and Winston are the "main characters." You could also probably include Genji, Sojourn, and Ana.

[@Woteeeee]

Soldier WAS the protagonist as main commander of overwatch, but now he's on himself hunting gangs in dorado or whatever he's doing. Tracer isn't really lore-wise protagonist, just a face of the game (who blizzard are trying real hard to replace with kiriko lol). Winston may be called the protagonist since he's the one to initiate recall but imo he's like still on the same level as anyone of overwatch

[@ccricers]

I like how Soldier looks like a very 'clean' character on the surface but he actually plays the anti-hero in a good part of his life

[@telco_]

Hot take : I don't think Sombra sucks after her season 13 rework. Players just have to adapt to her new playstyle, and because metal ranks players are used to the old playstyle they think she sucks. She was just really easy to use before because she had perma stealth which allowed you to go all around the map and get that Widowmaker who dominates the entire lobby without the risk of being spotted. Now you have to think more about your translocator usage, because good players will hear/see that translocator and know that Sombra is close to them. Before you had no way to tell if a good Sombra was there or not.

[@m.artifex2001]

Hard agree, she just plays like echo now and people don't want to give up the infinite invis camp playstyle.

[@refertopfp9627]

Legit, I think Sombra would be perfect if they tied her hack to her virus projectile so she can actually use her hack on an enemy mid team fight without being instantly interrupted, and gave her back her old invis ability with a 5 second duration instead of having it tied to translocator. Maybe also remove her damage buff passive as well, since her hack wouldn't be interruptible without hard cc. This way, she retains her unique "assassin" play style and deals respectable burst damage while still being not completely useless outside of stealth ambushing the enemy supports.

[@kingmoosh2004]

she was definitely terrible in the first rework patch. the hotfixes that reduced her translocator CD made a big difference

[@Ragebaitingu]

Having to wait 5 seconds to engage isn’t fun and if you get caught out you are dead. Echo doesn’t have to give the enemy team a loud voice line when she engages and doesn’t have to give the enemies a 5 year head start to turn around. Echo is good. Sombra is not. Horrible comparison. The only people that think Sombra is good are metal ranks.

[@abbelktheunoreversecard9183]

Hot take/suggestion: The tutorial at the moment feels a little lacking, at least to me who has learned much more than the tutorial covers. I feel like blizzard should divide the tutorial into multiple parts to make it a bit easier for new players to understand how to play the game. It could look like such: 1. Beginner tutorial (the absolute basics of the game, general movement, how to use abilities etc.), 2. Positioning tutorial (so that new players can learn quickly that using natural cover and using off-angles is important), 3. Your role in a teamfight tutorial (i see way too often in low rank/unranked debates that supp pretty much should only heal or that tanks are only made to protect their team), 4. Advanced tutorial (more advanced topics such as space and pressure are brought up, you are taught to keep track of friendly and enemy abilities as well as practising good ability management, also a slightly deeper look into what different characters do and how to deal with different character archetypes (for an example: "some heroes can fly or climb walls, to deal with a powerful high damage tank you must exploit their lack of range/mobility") ) But of course they could be different. I feel like more people would be inclined to learn more about the game and maybe try their hand at comp if the game itself gave a little nudge. As of now the only way to learn advanced stuff apart form figuring it out yourself is by actively searching for it and not all people want to do that. Maybe to make sure that those who are not used to overwatch and need a few games to develop the basic skills to play it cannot play the more advanced tutorials immediately by putting a 5/10/15 games played requirement respectively.

[@PurposeN.S.]

Isn't this what the hero mastery should be? It feels more suited to that than a tutorial. Outside of basic game mechanics anyway

[@TechnoPup]

The only time I don't like seeing "gg" is when in qp or something, I keep having leavers or ppl actively legit throwing, leaving us at a 3 or 4 v 5 the entire game. cuz then no, that was not a good game at all lol

[@JustLeee]

I'm a casual player I'm in the military so I don't really have time to play as much as everyone else but I still think it's a little silly to complain about a free-to-play game.

[@mylesflores8248]

The problem is that most of the time, it’s the people who win that say gg. When they lose, they’d don’t say it at all. Makes it feel pretty damn pointless tbh.

[@bambampewpew32]

I literally always type it even without thinking sometimes, it's a huge habit

[@bleachigo990]

Probably because it was a good game for the team who won and a bad game for the team who lost.

[@ccricers]

I said gg once when I lost and one of the sweaty enemy players said something like, no gg for you, I kicked all of your asses. That is a extra kind of toxic.

[@vladgaedel8521]

that "toxic gg" really shows the shift in time. In the past when you were playing your sport you have maybe 5 other players in town. Everyone will have his own skill level. A match happening is already a good match and thats where it comes from. Naturally with the internet and ow being popular you dont need that anymore. But try playing an older title online, you will know every single player and you will know who wins or loses often befor the match even starts. Still its another human playing with you. So stay Humble, write gl hf and gg wp every game, be glad for your teammates and your enemies even if the former sucked and the later dominated.

[@dampayload]

Nobody says gg when they get rolled that's for sure.

[@AngusWine]

I do and I’ve seen people do it in my games.

[@thahrdworkingingo]

If I ever feel GG could feel toxic in a situaton, I just type it out. "Good game, lads" comes off way more genuine than just the casual GG which people have used to be toxic. Games ending already, what's half a second of typing?

[@setosorcerer]

There are a few times saying GG is actually toxic and here are some examples I have seen over the years. -Enemy team says gg when we had a leaver or thrower, knowing the game wasn't even fair to begin with. -Enemy team had a cheater. Double points if the first person to say gg is the enemy mercy that pocketed the cheating widow/ashe. -Saying gg before the game is even over -Saying gg when it was clearly a 1 sided game, not a close 50/50. Times where it is a gg but doesn't feel like it -Playing tank and the enemy team all hard counters you. Win or lose, it doesn't feel great for the entire game.

[@prestonmitchell9135]

The only one I agree with here is gg before the game is over, how are you able to attribute a negative or sarcastic attitude to these other situations, are you a psychic? If so id love some stock advice

[@jonah-b7k]

@@prestonmitchell9135The implication that you cant have a good idea of someone's intentions without being a mind reader lol

[@kingmoosh2004]

gg doesn’t imply the game was fair and fun for everyone, it’s just basic sportsmanship. i can think of almost no reason why someone would say gg sarcastically, it is just a sign of respect to your opponent or literally just a habit. either way its harmless and youre reading into it too much

[@GingerHoax]

i noticed that many people don't say gr anymore

[@breakfaith3031]

I always thought that was a typo tbh

[@eddielopez6731]

My hot take is min one max three will have to be the future of overwatch if there is a full format change. It’s logical to assume that dps players aren’t going to switch roles. At this stage of the game everyone should be familiar with at least one hero from every role. In min 1 max 3 we can choose to play 222, but we have to be willing to flex. If the gameplay experience sucks then that’s on us.

[@elfennaze1552]

4:33 isn't the standard protagonist guy of overwatch soldier? yeah,I get that he isn't really your typical young protagonist,but isn't he also the tutorial character and founder of the original overwatch (in lore) ?

[@Potato_Tomato-od2lz]

I guess he's cynical so doesn't count? I mean Reinhardt is like the definition of that archetype. I don't get that guy.

[@breakfaith3031]

Im pretty sure solider was NOT the founder of overwatch, Reaper led the team during the omnic crisis. Solider was made the official leader after Anubis was defeated.

[@gregoryj547]

Karq you are definitely not a negative, cynical OW influencer, keep up the quality work!

[@Piman1607]

"Fans echo the creators" is not a hot take. Go watch a flats video where he goes over patch notes. People will say stuff in the chat and immediately 180 their opinion to aline with flats. Rarely do you see anyone in chats go against their streamer.

[@SgtSpeedy]

Tbh for me typing "gg" has become muscle memory at this point. However the only times I find myself not doing it is if I'm raging or in a toxic mindset after a bad game. So I don't see how saying "gg" is toxic, when me being in a toxic minset is the only time I *don't* say it I also personally always feel like it's more toxic when a game ends and chat is just *empty* rather than everyone saying "gg"

[@wswann34]

Trust me most of the time when u see the chat empty it's because theyre banned from chat. U will always guarantee adleast one gg, tank diff and or one ez a game.

[@Kyynele]

I don't know if it's different somewhere else, but in the metal ranks of the EU servers, the more one-sided a stomp a match is, the more likely it seems to be that the whole winning team says "gg". When in the next match you're against some of the same people, win the match and say "gg" to them, they stay silent. It's kind of hard to see this behavior as especially sportsmanship like. I do see some genuine ggs, but by the numbers, the massively more common usage seems to be a non-bannable way to rub it in that this game in particular was a complete slaughter. Actual good, close games just tend to end in silence.

[@cyanpile7874]

I say "ggs :)" after winning or losing. However. If I lose and the opposing team says "EZ" I reply "yeah just like your mom ;)" and they can't report me because nothing about my reply is offensive. 😊

[@BarakaAndrew]

their mom has nothing to do with the game being easy, it was easy coz they easily won, get over it

[@cyanpile7874]

@@BarakaAndrew that's not the point of my reply. The point is to get under their skin and make them seethe to the point where they slip up and say something stupid so I can report them! 😭 It's just a video game anyway. People take things too seriously. Lighten up! 🤗

[@cyanpile7874]

@@BarakaAndrew also, I'm only matching their energy. They want to be toxic/petty/condescending? Well so can I.

[@Ragebaitingu]

That’s a 5th grade insult

[@cyanpile7874]

@@Ragebaitingu yeah so? It still makes them say something stupid so I can report them! 😭

[@Trident_Gaming03]

Tbh, I think in SOME situations, "gg" can be toxic For example, if you're playing push, and the enemy team gets no progress, and you start spawnkilling them, then a "gg" is kind of the cherry on top

[@khaledm.1476]

I kinda say gg everytime I win or lose I don't really think too hard on it. If we have a leaver and someone says gg tho that's very annoying

[@xd3athclawx554]

@@khaledm.1476 yeah saying gg after a game regardless of the outcome or how the game went is just good sportsmanship. Its kinda on you if you think its toxic because gg is less "good game" and more so just saying "yeah alright you win, ur better lol"

[@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540]

Always say GG, even if the match was terrible. I remember someone from the enemy team put “You don’t have to type every match” in Match chat after I said GR after my team won one and lost one, people are so mad in this game for no reason

[@yungkouta6981]

If my team gets absolutely stomped with no chance of winning and they say "gg" its toxic

[@GummyDinosaursify]

I think when it's an absolute steamroll, where the enemy team just simply does not get to play, saying "gg" is just toxic for the sake of being toxic (and let's be honest, most of the time it's "ez gg" instead after the enemy has been teabagging and shit talking all game). You can't really compare real life sports to Overwatch because the RL sports, the players still get to play a game. Shaking hands is also meant to defuse any lingering animosity where as typing "gg" does NOT have that effect.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

Hot Take: Overwatch players are just as much to blame for the game not being what it should be, no skins for majority of the characters? That's because of whales and simps so no Venture or Ram skins, Widow taking over your matches? Can't change her because "Identity" and because her players would get salty, You have an opinion about the game and balancing? Well that's to bad you're a lower rank then me so your opinion doesn't matter. Overwatch players and streamers sabotage the game because they are selfish when it comes to these things and don't think about everyone as a whole.

[@KalleDemos666]

Disagree, changes to a character's identity for the sake of not being annoying to "You" should never ever exist, if the game EVER makes the change to all maps being more like Hanaoka/Anubis then maybe they can change Widow's identity but changing ANY character for the sake of "fun" is beyond stupid, what is fun to you might not seem fun for others.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

@@KalleDemos666 I don't think Identity is the be all end all reasons to not change a character, they've changed characters and they were fine, being a sniper isn't just about one shotting from the other side of the map, people keep acting as if they are asking for widow to be gutted but at the same time Widow gets abused and she's one of the problem characters that can be changed to make her more fair and less abused. point is some players will say she's fine but there's a large amount that say like Sombra she takes the fun out of the game when its a character that kills that you cannot interact with.

[@Ragebaitingu]

Widow literally can’t lose her one shot or she would be bad. No one deserves to have their main be a throw pick

[@asjad2007]

Karq, just wanted to let you know that my circle of friends and I usually watch your videos as a positive voice for the OW community, just so that you hear that from a fan. We love your nuanced takes and your calm demeanor for addressing the community. You really are a data driven pillar of the community and I love that!

[@MaxT7395]

For LW, I had almost always used tree offensively( especially if I had dive characters on my team). I'd put it in front beside the enemy so my team would feel more confident pushing in, and I could get some good dps in without having to worry about heals. It worked quite well.

[@SirBranDon24]

Yeah me too. Especially if you want your tank to push, the tree gets their head in the game.

[@zaco5206]

People only typing gr when they win a round is toxic. It feels bad knowing you're getting stomped and then they type gg as well.

[@Aregulargameplayer]

Like one of my favorite fighting game streamers said, people only say to streamers "GGS That was me" when they win, it's never when they lose lol.

[@newbornkilik]

gg is a formality GG is a truly good game

[@GaaraFPS]

I got banned for saying GG was close and the only thing support reference was how many times I was reported in ow1, realistically I understand that I have every skin and there’s not money to make from me.

[@leonardodellama9044]

Lifeweaver should have a passive that he counts as two players for the purpose of capturing points or moving payloads. This wouldn't solve any problems with his kit I think, but it would be a unique and cool ability.

[@elidwyer590]

A ‘gg’ in my opinion should be reserved for when there’s an actual back and forth the majority of the game and it looked like it could go either way. People will blindly NPC post it when literally anything happens, like a professional NBA team just defeated a bunch of toddlers - bot post ‘gg’. People leaving your game causing an insane amount of backfill, somebody clearly afking essentially, getting stomped, someone counterswapping after 1 death, anyone playing widow, etc. There are times when clearly it wasn’t a good game, I wish people just didn’t say anything at all in those cases, just leave.

[@fantalimon1454]

And I respectfully disagree. "gg" is a handshake -- nothing more, and nothing less. Chess players shake hands at the end of their game, regardless of how the game played out. Barring tantrums, sports players shake hands when the game is over, regardless of how the game played out. It's the same principle. It doesn't literally mean the game was a good one. It's just a demonstration of good sportsmanship to shake hands, even if in this case it's typing "gg" in chat rather than physically shaking hands.

[@elidwyer590]

@@fantalimon1454 It won't let me edit it, but I do see what you're saying about calling it the equivalent to a handshake, but I've never seen it that way because it literally stands for 'good game', so that's when I use it, if it genuinely was. It has zero meaning if you apply to any situation because not every game is good/fun to play.

[@e3vL1]

Hot Take: some heroes are make or break depending on if their abilities are slightly tweaked and shouldn't be mained. Example: Doom, Hazard, Malga, Hanzo, Cassidy etc

[@hanspetersen2087]

People don't understand how little money one time purchase games make compared to free to play games. Balders Gate 3 barely broke 1 billion in revenue and it took 6 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to develop, meanwhile last year genshin impact only made 950 million in 2023 and that was considered a really bad year for the game. Corpa learned that free to play with micro transactions is the way to go and I don't think there's any turning back.

[@kiwiseatpumpkinpie1709]

While I agree with you, remember the audiences. Genshin impact is a Chinese origin game. They are very much known for their gacha mechanic system and plus they have over a billion people in their country. Baldrs gate gravitated to the more American audience

[@neilmallick20]

that's not how things work, there will always be a demand for single player games, it's not a winner take all where only f2p or regular games can exist

[@tylerbacoka4248]

Hot take, Karq do a 360 in your chair, I want to see the blizzard arm that goes into your back and makes you speak.

[@Krethean]

As someone who has no confidence trying a Dive Tank, Hazard is probably the first Tank that I feel can actually try Dive. Hazard has been real fun to play, been able to use his kit and get it to click. And for me I got a very similar feeling when I played Hazard, to when I played Brig (and I began looking to One Trick her when I go Support cause I have a lot of fun playing her). So it's giving me more enjoyment to pick up Hazard and learning both him and Brig. See if I can get better and maybe translate that to Comp games. And I kinda sorta consider myself somewhat new. Only began playing at the tail end of Season 11. Wish I got in earlier cause the theme was neat.

[@imquitesmelly8753]

I'm so sick of people saying there's not a venture skin. I literally wear it. You are an ice cream guy

[@Ragebaitingu]

A legendary skin no one cares about an epic skin. Please learn what every actually means before commenting

[@Peerinday]

overwatch is not a game to chill after work, leads to stressful mental conditions. Players wants to be stronger but loses their sanity in progress. If GG can turn you up, it's a sign to take a break

[@brokentoy9]

Hot take: Solo que players should have an option to opt out of wide que games. It's already stressful enough playing with people in your rank. Now imagine 3 to 4 ranks lower

[@badgeow8538]

2:04 would like to add that OW1 was worse during the first summer games event. You could only get skins from loot boxes and you could not buy them with the in game currency.

[@Nomethod64]

I’ve said GG before a game ends when the other team has been toxic af and we turn it around. I’ve also said GG before a game ends when we are getting absolutely steam rolled and there is no hope of a come back. But I do not say it to taunt people. If a normal GG at the end of a game is making you upset, you need to step away from the game for a little while.

[@fantalimon1454]

Agreed. I've had folks tell me my simple GGs at the ends of games are toxic, and I still don't understand. "GG" means "We played a game against each other, and that game has concluded." Nothing more than that, nothing less than that. If that rubs folks the wrong way, those folks need to "touch grass" as the kids say.

[@EvilXero359]

Akin to rubbing salt in an open wound. What I say on occasion is 'it could have been better'

[@Terrence551]

Hot take: i think every hero should have 2/3 abilities bassicaly the same number all other games do it apex,valorant etc. And ow is only hero Shooter where some heroes have 2 some 3 and some 4 (wrecking ball) i think all Heroes should have same number of abilities

[@TV-vz7rf]

Hot (?) Take: Overwatch has a toxicity problem, but people only talk about one side of the coin. Shouldn’t we also tell people to grow thicker skin sometimes in addition to telling people not to be toxic? Like, I understand saying people shouldn’t harass, drop slurs, or generally be unbearable assholes. However, doesn’t it go a bit too far when people are folding over “gg ez” or general trash talk? All the happiest people I know that play OW are the ones that love the banter and trash talk, and generally don’t care what people say to them, and all the most miserable ones I know are the “positive vibes only” types that report abusive chat at every opportunity.

[@mitsishere]

Like truly those who get that mad over gg should straight up fix themselves not say others are toxic i wouldve said to stop crybaby behaviour but theyre past that level

[@GummyDinosaursify]

"Instead of people just not being assholes, let's tell everyone just to suck it up and deal with it"

[@xeron2780]

​@@GummyDinosaursify literally, or we will get to the point everything is filtered by automation. Want to have what theyre implementing in siege, go ahead and play that game. Soon enough even sarcasm or light jokes will be bannable with how big snowflakes some ppl are in ow

[@josewolf9884]

of course the happiest people you know is toxic if your own toxicity has pushed away the nice people from your circle

[@gummostump4217]

Funnily enough, I sorta agree. Real banter and trash talk is recognizably toxic, and that alone is meaningful, albeit in a divisive way. It leads to more meaningful post game interaction, too, even if half of that is toxic. My gripe about "gg" lies in it's convoluted meaning, or lack thereof. Nowhere do i advocate for reporting or censorship. Those with thin skin should leave game chat, mute, or block aggressors, and those who have nothing to say should say nothing.

[@dontusethisname6693]

I say gg when enemy team conterswaps me regardless of which team wins. I know that if the enemy team win by just counterswapping then they get no challenge and no fun from trying something new. They get nothing but a win. So I say gg sarcastically in order to make them feel emptiness and make them quit counterwatch.

[@dampayload]

Widow becomes sever admin for the whole match. Or rolling the enemy team then saying gg is toxic.

[@umbralflow6883]

The gg is true in some cases as its use as both good and bad manners. Saying gg before the match end is one of them, one sided fights is another time I see it use in as a bm, saying ez for any reason is also bm as there is never a case where telling the other team that is for " good sportmenship". Another time I see it is the word "diff". There are time I see people say it and the only reason they diff the hero was because they had a better support not they themselves. I healed a diva that beat the enemy diva only for my diva to say diva diff. I sitting here like Im the reason you won that fight. There are just time where your diffing is the result of your team putting you in the advantage. Most of the people that defend it do it themselves. They know the toxic that is in chat.

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

players saying "player diff" like in your dva example is toxic, saying ez is also dumb, but saying gg after a one sided match? thats not toxicity at all. i understand most players are young kids, but you cant account for random people having crisis over "gg" just because a steam roll happened. steam rolling is inevitable in any sports, and people shouldnt have to defend themselves just because they enjoyed the game by saying gg or gg by habit, because its still good sportsmanship to say gg even if you rolled or got rolled.

[@kiwiseatpumpkinpie1709]

I despite when my team gets floored and the enemy team says gg. It just feels so condescending. It’s even worse when it’s “gg have fun

[@GO-sz1nv]

I'm super inconsistent when saying GG because of distractions/just not paying attention. I think it's funny that people will read too far into it and get butthurt over that.

[@eliminat20]

I feel about 50% of the time gg is toxic. Usually when I see it it’s after a stomp game and the first person to say is either the highest stat player on the the team or they were the toxic player through the game (example: T-Bagging every kill). It’s lost its meaning.

[@igotthatcrypto7169]

GG > EZ

[@claudiuspulcher2440]

I think the first take is just making the point that "it's just cosmetic" is overly reductive. Cosmetics are part of the game and why people play. So when you remove them from a 'free to play' game, you're not getting a full game- you're just paying in a different way. And, as it happens, you're paying a lot more to get anywhere near the same amount. It's worth at least keeping in mind...

[@adamkrasneski3679]

I immediayely say ggs when i win. When i lose i usually say ggs back to reciprocate good winners

[@cakes-r-great9111]

Hot Take: The monthly balance changes are too much for the average player to keep track of. Someone who plays and enjoys a hero(s) may be completely confused when their hero(s) are rebalanced/reworked as they are not watching videos or reading patch notes. Not everyone is hooked into the nitty gritty of this game and it feels like Blizzard does a poor job communicating to everyone large changes to heros if they don't go out of their way to find out these things

[@e3vL1]

gg is toxic if you're not playing in a tournament or serious match. Especially in qp

[@prestonmitchell9135]

5:00 a general good guy may be disinteresting to you but relatable villains, emotional grey areas, etc. Can be disinteresting to the rest of us after its been storia ton

[@KadandEve]

This man really said the good protagonist is overplayed, as if not every character is an edgy asshole who is selfish, or basically sold their soul for power and influence? The good guy is not overplayed at all for too many people are just selfish, or have an inclination toward the darker side of psychology, and so they click more with those characters but for those of us who are slightly more positive we actually just wants heroes who are genuinely just protagonist instead of feeling forced to play selfish, assholish, evil or sometimes just straight up demonic characters. Sometimes we just want to hear a genuinely positive voice line for me genuinely good guy not some snarky, provocative voice line every time we kill a guy or genuinely want to say nice things etc. Especially in a game, where you slightly identify with the character, you choose and people identify them with you as a natural side effect.

[@SocialExperiment232]

I agree. The good guy is definitely not overdone. There’s a sea of characters that are morally ambiguous and just straight up completely selfish. People love the ahole “because he feels real to them” and the “good guy” forces them to contemplate their own actions and morality. They don’t like constantly being reminded of hose self absorbed they are so they prefer the bad guy that convinced them that they get to make up their own moral code which doesn’t require them to self improve in any way. It’s sad that people literally hate being good now then they wonder why the world is how it is.

[@Potato_Tomato-od2lz]

Reinhardt is literally that tracer is literally that, mercy is literally that.

[@tylerbacoka4248]

no man, your breaking blizzards rule, every character has to be annoying as hell.

[@KadandEve]

@@Potato_Tomato-od2lz tracer is very childish. Mercy is morally ambiguous, if you’ve heard any of her voice lines, you would know that Rein is maybe the only shot you have but he’s pretty old.

[@whatzituya55]

Saying gg when one team had a leaver is straight up toxic. Also kinda toxic when its a complete stomp.

[@breakfaith3031]

It's toxic in neither scenario.

[@girandpiggy95]

things have gotten messed up if people think gg is toxic

[@DangerousMaster88]

Hot take: zenyata should heal with the primary attack (like ana) still having the orbs

[@BelphegorXVI]

I don't want no "gg" after getting stomped by a pocketed Widow/Ashe on meth, I'd rather fully see the "gg ez". The sportsmanship argument is meaningless to me.

[@breakfaith3031]

That's because you aren't a good sportsman.

[@vinnt_tnniv]

gg is supposed to be when the match is an challenge. for me, I stay quiet if I stop the enemy team, or get stomped. like: a good game is supposed to be good for everyone if it's a 50/50 match, I write gg, regardless of winner.

[@breakfaith3031]

No, not at all. gg is just basic sportsmanship.

[@Disappointed_Philosoraptor]

gg can be bad manners. For example, if it's written by the winners right after a complete stomp of a game - aka 90% of QP matches and god knows how many in ranked. To call a sad excuse of a match, a merciless and helpless slaughter a "good game" is to insult the meaning of the phase and to invalidate the misery of those you just devastated. Hold it off until one of the losing teams players initiated and limit it to your team chat if none do.

[@rondiggity1677]

The argument of gg being toxic in a runaway game.. no. It's not, ggwp is. That's why when we win a one sided game, i always say ggwp followed by ezpz for the extra dig.

[@calvinbratkovics1493]

The American cass skin makes you do more damage

[@elnekosauce]

But only on the Oasis school map (university).

[@rubeushagrid1329]

People complain so much now about widow is also so telling of someone’s mentality. Hitting that head shot takes talent I know because I can’t do it. But when I die because my teammate killed the enemy junk and I’m rotating to avoid the widow that’s frustrating.

[@coolshirtkid]

i got auto silenced for 2 weeks because i was tilted and called my team bad and they all reported me 😂 i’ve never cursed, never used a slur, never told someone to hurt themselves, but apparently if you tell someone they’re throwing that’s just as bad 😂

[@meln00bies]

I always type "Gg" After every match... Wether i win or lose. I'm trying to be respectful for both the winning and the losing team. Gg all :)

[@markomanx]

The claim that saying gg is toxic is more reflective of how toxic the person that made that take is because whaaaaaaaat? Like, Blizzard already censors gg ez with a random handful of phrases. Imagine them censoring gg as well.

[@Spyduhmahn]

Yeah then new similar phrases will be popular and then that would have to be censored, itll never end

[@cedriclindsey7666]

I never liked the idea of skins in a first person game. I want to see my fancy skin and the emotes in game rather than having to sit in spawn for 3 seconds or at the end of a victory. 3rd person skins just feel like I'm getting something out of my virtual content

[@Potato_Tomato-od2lz]

Thats why Reinhardt is the best character to get skins for!

[@aRogueTea]

theres no improvement without competition

[@Unhallowed_Saint]

GG is old school, I'm talking Quake on dial up days and is intended to thank the other players for the match, good or bad. Its the opposite of toxic. Stop being so emotional about everything. GG is the video game equivalent of shaking hands after a baseball game or on the court, being upset over that is more a reflection of yourself than the statement.

[@viniciusnascimento3870]

11:45 I'm craving for Lynx 17 as a support hacker

[@PugzGoneWild]

The lootbox system was better seeing as at least you got something worth to earn for playing.

[@devilman6668]

Hot take: Venture has no skins because they are the first non-binary hero and Overwatch skin creators don't know how to create skins for a character who doesn't identify with typically masculine or feminine characteristics. It's something they have never had to think about, and they know whatever they do they will lean either to masculine or feminine and people will be angry but if they never give them skins peopls can't claim they are not inclusive. It's a double-edged sword, and unfortunately, people who like the hero are left without cool cosmetics.

[@umbralflow6883]

I just though it was on popularty, Venture isnt that popular and cute and/or sexy is what sells skins. Its why Kiriko and now Juno gets them so much. Mercy and Ana is also one as they are popular picks in the healing role. Venture just doesnt seem to be the type to sell skins, though the only way to find that out it to actually have a skin to buy and see if it sells well. But I dont think people like Venture that much to buy a skin.

[@gummostump4217]

Don't forget that being visibly NB is enough to get the game banned in some locales. The monarch skin was a region locked drop for a reason. Venture skins have to billable as both binary AND non-binary.

[@lockevalentine997]

Just because other games and those in the industry doesnt make it not predatory. Its not just "not good" it is predatory and its ok to call it that, you can admit that the game you play a lot has a umhealthy predarory shop.

[@arsenal4739]

Saying gg isn’t toxic. Now maybe after you easily lost a game or them being toxic and then saying gg it can be toxic. I personally only use gg when it’s a good game so it upholds the actual value of it.

[@RacingSnails64]

Saying gg after absolutely rolling the other team is close to toxic, moreso just unfitting and makes no sense. It was good for YOU, but not your opponent haha. I only say gg after evenly matched games. Pre-emptive ggs are toxic though. The game's not over yet, there's still a chance for a comeback. Tracer isn't really the protagonist. She's the mascot, but not the protagonist. And if there is a male protagonist, it's probably Soldier 76 considering he was there at Overwatch's founding and was its leader. Overwatch has such a huge cast and is team-based that it doesn't need a protagonist, you'll find someone who appeals to you.

[@eredar6552]

Hot take: Still getting banned for saying "gg" in chat