Winston has the WORST ultimate | OW2 Hot Takes #50

[@br3d9]

Hot take: Karq doesn't even know what a hot take is. I've seen tons of hot takes that he calls cold just because he agreed with them. Hot take = controversial not Hot take = Karq disagrees

[@br3d9]

Yes I liked my own comment 😭

[@pocketvices]

Strange

[@blaym4271]

I notice most of the internet is like this now. The definition of hot take randomly changed at some point lol

[@NathanNGM]

Brooo! I've been saying this since episode one! Glad you called him out.

[@demigurlxd5781]

I think yall miss understand. It's a hot take because they think this is a hot take. And KarQ just uses hot to cold to describe his level of agreement with the take.

[@toasty6603]

Hot take: ANY format that allows for 2 tanks (6v6, min. 2 in 5v5, whatever) will ALWAYS result in an optimal playstyle where you have at least one main tank, and since almost no one wants to play main tank this will always lead to frustration at the fundamental team comp aspect of overwatch. Whether it's through long queue times or people insta locking and then flaming the rest of the team for not playing tank in the "soft role lock" modes, this issue will always persist.

[@Andy-ci1vu]

I think push is actually the best overwatch two game mode while it was very hated when it came out I think it is a funner to play payload The maps are bigger allowing for more flanks and angles for dps and support and there isn’t a constant defenders advantage because both teams are defending and attacking

[@Korhi]

I agree, i think after they cooked the gamemode a bit more its a pretty enjoyable. No hero or comp feels hindered by the map and mode. Im definitely way happier getting push than fucking clash.

[@ElliottDent]

Hot take (Maybe, maybe not?): The worst thing they did to Orisa was remove her damage falloff. With falloff it gave her a much more well-defined niche as a brawl tank who wanted to get up in the other tank's face and bully them.

[@GingerHoax]

lol i just made a hottake about Orisa's damage fall off.

[@jaredparks4713]

Oh hey it's my Orisa take. To be a bit more thorough with my opinion on her: - Javelin throw with its high damage + knockback + micro stun doesn't feel good to get hit by, especially since it comes out basically instantly with no time to react. I also just think stuns in general are very anti-fun but that's a different discussion. - Getting pushed around by spin when up close is just annoying. The general idea of the ability is fine but that aspect bothers me. - Fortify giving overhealth, crazy damage reduction, immunity to all forms of CC, and reduced heat generation is too much for one cooldown. - Terra Surge just feels kind of lame to use? I don't play Orisa outside of Mystery Heroes but when I fight her it's ironically the part of her kit I feel the least threatened/annoyed by (granted I tend to play heroes with mobility options so I can get away pretty easily).

[@solsoman102]

if you aren’t able to react to javelin throw that’s a skill issue it’s absolutely reactable

[@ctrlawpdelete8266]

Talking shit is funny , being disrespectful is 👎🏽

[@AutumnonpawzZ0]

Where your line is on which of those is which is personal though, impossible to know where for everyone you meet in game.

[@jasonhernandez743]

Hot take: Symmetra should've stayed as a support and Sombra should've been released as a support. If they would've stayed/released this way, it would've opened up what it means to be a support and helped with healing creep since they don't all need to heal. Sym provided support with teleporter and shields. Sombra could be better balanced around stealth and lower damage since the frustrating part of the kit is that stealth lowers the skill needed to get a kill (which is why she keeps swinging between high and low kill potential). Imagine Baptiste being centered around lamp and damage but little to no healing. Brig could've been the cc hero if she didn't need to heal. Kiri could be centered around Suzu if she didn't also do high damage and healing. Ana could be centered around anti. Etc...

[@Rohndogg1]

Almost every single clash game for me is either a stomp or a 4-4 with a desperate fight for last point that's basically a coin toss or if one team manages to have ults or something but it just feels boring somehow despite being chaotic

[@Korhi]

Yeah, similar experience myself, it either feels like a 3 minute roll, or an owcs match, it's fucking awful

[@0li-0li28]

If you’re a supp learning how to juggle and predict ult economy is a game changer it got me out of that type of hell

[@DoeboyFreshNESS]

Some of these takes show the underlying problem the devs unfortunately face and how people view overwatch. For example Winstons Ult. Lets say half the people that play think its trash (though its not) and half the people understand it and know it is great. You have 2 extremes, how are the devs supposed to balance it? They making it easier to use and take away power now top players say winston is unplayable. You dont touch it and leave it be and you have half the people saying the devs dont know how to make a game. Lol its an impossible situation to be in, esp when the loudest of the community members are the one who are the most ignorant on the way the game works.

[@AutumnonpawzZ0]

The dirty secret is they only sorta kinda care what ppl think, but really they will do what they think is best. That's their right anyway and I applaud it. If they keep selling what they make and earn money, then it's working. Publicly they express desire to listen to players, which is also the right move. Can't be honest about how they do what they want cuz its their damn game, or ppl will be even worse. It's just PR, cuz PR is proven works.

[@Bslites]

Oh Koji, I'll get you back for that.

[@midlyf3crisis]

Hot take: players with the higher hero progression level should be able to take heros at start of round. For example if both supports wanted to play moira, but one of them has played 3 games and the other has played 100s, but the new player has that half second faster connection and snags her first. The more experienced player should have the option(but only once at the start of the match before the door opens) to take over and force them to swap. Im not saying I think people should one trick...but they do, and I'd personally rather have the better suited player have the option of playing the character.

[@moon-pp2uo]

Hot Take: Certain characters presence in the game acts as a feature of balancing itself, and the current season (season 13) proves that. Sombra sucks bootyhole, and now characters with great vertical mobility are eating a too much. Other examples of "balancing act characters" could be Brig, Bastion, or Torb. Effectively, some characters cannot be balanced on their own, and need something that can counteract what they do to make them balanced.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

Why is it that there could never be something wrong with the character itself it always has to be get good or Skill issue? Then people wonder why the game isn't balanced, only what you want matters and anyone else is irrelevant. Just because you use the cheese character or just because you are comfortable with how bad the character can be doesn't mean it has to stay the same

[@DoeboyFreshNESS]

People say skill issue because overwatch is as close to balanced as a game can get. Yea maybe some things can be tweaked as things change, but nothing is completely broken. Players that play ow as well as many different kind of competitive games know the balancing in ow is very good compared to most other competitive games. So hearing a player complaining about balancing in ow immediately discredits them. Not to say they are not right to say something is wrong. But its a 80 percent chance that the person complaining is a skill issue, and 20 percent chance there is genuinely something wrong with what they are complaining about. I am in master support and my sister is in silver. So when she complains about the stuff she does, i know for a fact that it is just because she is not good enough or does not understands the game as much as i do. Even though in her mind her complaint is fact, to someone like me who knows better, its just skill issue. I hope that can help to understand where that skill issue is coming from

[@Bad3abdul]

@@DoeboyFreshNESS well said

[@GingerHoax]

Hot take: when Orisa was given zero fall off damage to her primary fire, it was because the balancing team, at the time, didn't know how to deal with snipers rolling lobbies. Kind of like when they gave Cassidy damage reduction on his roll/ult to deal with Tracer bomb.

[@Tonypollyoly]

Idk blaming the matchmaking does make sense in a lot of scenarios. Overwatch competitive in particular, does a bad job at measuring skill and motivating players to try and be competitive in every match. If they arent purposefully trying to make my games wonky then theyre doing a bad job of preventing it.

[@awaberwa2860]

Hot take: Dva shouldn’t be able to jump directly into her mech after being resurrected. I’m tired of dealing with her matrix and booster, only for it to be nullified by a Rez. It would be fair to resurrect her at the percentage she was when she died.

[@OveractiveTiger]

YES BRO!💯

[@janbazuine6636]

So rezzing dva should be useless? Thats like rezzing all other tanks st 200 hp, theyll just explode

[@marcuscyl6653]

Hot take: I don't need Blizzard to *grace* us with new modes. I just need new maps. Clash is painful to play, Push is annoying to play, and Flashpoint is migraine generating.

[@Potato_Tomato-od2lz]

I dont get the hate on any of the new modes. clash is a great time and feels centered around team battles. Push is basically a payload you both have to push. Some of my favorite games were on push. Flash point, while i hated it in silver has become a good fun game. Why do these game modes get people in a funk?

[@MxChloeB42]

Yes they buffed Mercy in S12, she went back to 60 hp/s and +30% damage boost. It broke almost no breakpoints. It was mostly just QoL change making her slightly better in the world of DPS passive and higher health pools. Also yeah, the person thinking damage boost is broken forget if she's damage boosting she's not doing damage herself like any other support. It's no more unhealthy to get 3k damage boosted as Mercy than an Ana, Bap, Kiri, Juno etc ... doing 3k damage. If anything the Rez is the most unhealthy thing, but even then it's still at least roughly comparable to the invulnerability abilities or get out of jail free abilities like a clutch Ana nade, Bap Lamp, Kiri Suzu etc... it's just those are more proactive to prevent a death than to undo a death, which have their own pros and cons. Like a Rez still means tempo for the team at advantage and requires Mercy to stop healing/ damage boosting to get the Rez, whereas the other abilities can still keep active pressure on the enemy team. Though I won't disagree it does feel subjectively worse when an enemy Rez goes off than a Lamp

[@ToddyBaconJr]

16:20 They mean that the devs should show their gameplay of them testing out balance changes and new characters

[@GamePassHolic]

Since Winston Ult keeps coming up. Can we admit that the redeeming factor is its high Skill Cieling, and its problem is its high Skill Floor? It's amazing if you have practiced it and have good mechanics. It's trashassbootycheecks for new and average players because it has no inherent or immediate value. The value comes exclusively from skill.

[@BarbaricToews31]

I actually dont mind playing Clash now. Flashpoint annoys me really only for 1 reason... running to the next point after 1 point is captured is painful. 2-3 players from your team end up getting split for 1 flanker while the rest of the time is running to the next objective, or any other variant of this. Once the point is captured and the other team needs to go there from spawn I really don't mind the mode

[@gohnbaby8785]

Hot take: if the full PvE game was gonna be half as fun as the junkenstiens lab game mode we missed out harder than we thought

[@LeonardoMascara]

Can you explain how few people queuing gor tanks i crease the time to play as tank? Because as I understand if we have less tanks, they should be entering games faster since there is less people in the queue...

[@jrdnbly93]

Fewer active tanks to choose from when lobbies are created for matches. Only needing 2 tanks per lobby as opposed to 4 only helps so much when there's only a "handful" of people willing to tank. Also need to consider time of day and rank as well

[@soraniostaur3839]

3:30 yo ... they absolutely cooked with this one tho XD

[@gummostump4217]

Hot take: the only real problem with 2cp was that it had poorly designed maps. Awful chokes and narnia spawns alone account for a lot of the gamemodes' woes.

[@Gingerbot53]

Bro that thumbnail catching me with the most outrageous take.

[@Andy-ci1vu]

Hot take 2: I think orisa is a more annoying version of ram they are both brawl poke tanks with no fall of projectiles and a damage resistance ability However orisa is always in ram form and also has cc and can eat nearly every ability in the game and has a gap close

[@TheRaxxo]

Hot take: Even after the re-rework, people are gonna complain even more about sombra. Yeah, perma stealth wasn't the greatest to play against (and even to sombra herself, last season she had to jump so many loops to be able to do stuff) Now cause the stealth its on a timer, she can do more damage (or burst it even faster). Wait until sombra player learn the animation cancel to actually use the 1 sec duration of hack to burst their target, then we are gonna hear again people complaining about sombra

[@Thudd224]

I think that sombra should have 10 seconds long stealth tjat activates by crouching for a second or two, just like baps boots do. Think about it, in most games, how do you activate stealth or sneaking? By crouching.

[@dappersealion5]

Hot take: Sombra isn't that hard to balance. It's so obvious what they should do to balance her! Stealth should be returned as a solo ability (not tied to translocator) and it should be a resource like hog breather or dva matrix that can recharge over time. This gives Sombra her flank play style back and gives devs more ways to tweak her kit to give or take away power. Why aren't more content creators advocating for this!

[@MrGrombie]

Hot take: If you can't handle potentially random people to talk "shit" about your gameplay, turn off your coms. It's not like 99% of people use VC anyways unless its comp. And then it is like 30% do. So either way, most people aren't talking to you. And if that gets your mindset down, you're gonna have a real tough time in the real world. Also, LFGs are crucial to the game and the devs are screwing new players over by not giving them a chance to find people to play with on a continuous basis.

[@rkaly7154]

I think the issue with chatting shit is that two people with some insecurity are blaming eachother whilst both know they're not convincing the other. It's immature to be a teen/adult without having learnt basic articulation to argue a point without being provocative or a troll, I can hard guarantee that a mistake can be brought to light without making it insulting through a little bit of forethought.

[@rkaly7154]

@@erin_rose0 you are also a good part of the issue with comments like that

[@Inviabledude45]

That's the sad thing. You can't even try to communicate or give advice without people taking it the wrong way and risking your account getting banned. That's why you see no one communicate in ow2 as opposed to ow1 which is sad because people have given up trying to win because actually trying to win and communicate can get you banned. Someone got banned by telling their teamates to wrap around Numbani first point and dive some hackers.

[@Inviabledude45]

​@@rkaly7154the fact you think having to waste time in a game where every second matters to try and communicate a point in the least offensive way or get banned is why 99 percent of the communtiy no longer uses voice chat and has killed rank. People are shot in the head in video game but people have been banned for litteraly saying wrap around on nubani first point

[@Inviabledude45]

​@@erin_rose0if you don't want to hear that person complaining about you, a. First objetively look at what they are saying? Are they correct? If so than fix it. If option b, than either correct them and offer a suggestion to winning and if they don't listen or continue being wrong either have a civil conversation or don't engage with them because it's a waste of time. The fact people would rather report than communicate is the reason I haven't had a single comeptive game where both teams are fully communicating and doing their best to win in rank since ow1. It's sad. Rank is meant to be comeptive. As a team your meant to be communicating and figuring out what's going wrong lmao.

[@xickyr1611]

Hot Take: Orisa should never be meta. Whenever Orisa is meta, it only ruins the game.

[@gummostump4217]

Hot take: habitually saying "gg" is toxic. "Gg" comes off as either performative and ingenuine (neutral) at best, or as sarcastic (negative) at worst. I personally only say gg when i mean it, and with added emphasis ("legit gg" or "actual gg").

[@adamkrasneski3679]

I dislike flashpoint so much i figured put how to quit the map while the loading screen is still up. Options button, up once, x then wait for the mandatory 5 sec timer. That mode is overwatch at its worst.

[@chriskotte8468]

Hot take Cassidy should get a reset on his roll each time he gets a kill.

[@zero13z34]

Hot take: Rez should not be in this game. Remove it and give Mercy some mobility buffs. The movement is the most skillfull part of her kit. Rez is just frustating (She can do it through walls its so dumb) and most heroes cant do anything about it

[@jaakezzz_G]

first take is just wrong. The worst part of the matchmaker is feeling like there can never just be two good teams. Either my team sucks or the enemy team sucks. I actually prefer losing in overwatch because it usually means my impact is what makes the game close, whereas winning just feels like I could have emoted in spawn and it wouldn't have mattered.

[@jaakezzz_G]

the take complaining about clash is exactly because of this matchmaker flaw^ notice they mention that they're playing QP where the matchmaker is the worst.

[@Alex1jag]

Hot Take: Widowmaker is THE most nerf hero in all of Overwatch history. The one time ahe was buffed was the projectile size increase, and that was reversed almost immediately. All map changes are always done in a way that nerf her.

[@nikkle1337]

I’d argue it really doesn’t matter as long as she’s viable, which she is I will say though I’m someone who doesn’t think widowmaker should even be a hero

[@michaelc7418]

Doomfist, Orisa, and Roadhog all need reworked. The problem with a Tank design like OW2 Orisa is that she focuses entirely on self-sustain, damage, and frequent CC. Tank designs that have self-sustain but no team sustain are straight up unhealthy for the game because it completely disrupts the whole flow of the game compared to when other Tanks are used, to where it feels like you don't even have a Tank on your team; it feels like a 3 DPS + 2 Support comp. And the amount of frequent high burst damage and interrupt-CC Doomfist, Orisa, and Roadhog put out is completely obnoxious to play against.

[@oskirby_]

I once had a clash game that lasted 22 minutes 😂

[@jadeonmendez5491]

Spicy take here- junk rat should NOT be allowed to control his tire after his death it makes looking for him a waste of time and even if you do the tire finds you and blows you up if he does die blow the tire up where it is at he still gets credit and it makes sense to look for him otherwise it’s just a no risk ult

[@breadispain454]

They would need to buff him then

[@David-eo5ik]

Lol it's a really bad ult tho why nerf it more

[@blobfish1649]

You can already break it pretty easily, it does not need nerfed

[@rachetmarvel931]

Bronze take more like it. Why nerf one of the worst ults in the damage class.😂

[@mashoga]

Hot Take: I dont really care that Orisa is meta. I started playing in May, hover around Plat/Diamond support. All the Orisa or even Mauga doomerism and 'microbuffs' makes me not to want to watch of the creators that do that shit. Most matchups come down to a skill gap, not a counter.

[@Bad3abdul]

Yh clash is very fun those who hate it just can't play it and it's new Love the content

[@peperlake9502]

I can understand hating phara, but all projectile heros? There are so many different playstyles within that bracket of heros.

[@tjwtf28]

Hot take : Just get rid of widow and hanzo. If it's getting to the point that snipers ruin the game that the Devs are having to rework the map, they should just take the L and take them out the game. Go play a regular shooter if you wanna hold the same angle all day

[@coolshirtkid]

glad i’m not the only one who thinks orisa is fun to play 😂 i hated her in OW1 but she’s so fun in OW2! her spear is my favorite skill shot to hit in the game i snipe people across the map with it 😂

[@DJBaphomet]

Very cool seeing my take being spicy enough to get the thumbnail/title spotlight with KarQ still agreeing with it (definitely expected chat's response from it lol) I also made sure to use wording that made it clear it was just my own preference since I knew it was a heated one. Just saying "in my opinion" goes a very long way, folks To go a little deeper, I do think the OW1 modes are still very good, but I think Clash/Flashpoint are very clearly designed to fit how *OW2 specifically* plays, and that's what makes them so great in my eyes. Hybrid is a wonderful mode and _can_ be very exhilarating, but it can also can drag on and getting stomped in it feels especially bad because you either get no chance to make a comeback (Quickplay) or have to wait for the round to be over just to attempt your comeback (Comp) which by that point you or your teammates may already have a bad mental of the match. Clash/Flashpoint are one match, no breaks, and so you can immediately feel a comeback when you start it instead of being forced to wait your turn. And, at absolute worst, Clash/Flashpoint typically last less than 10 minutes anyways, so if you get rolled you're not wasting your time, whereas a Hybrid match lasts at _least_ 8-10 minutes (in comp) even if you're getting steamrolled

[@manlymanmann7592]

:53 squeeze one out spotted

[@GoodRNG]

I enjoy clash. I’d play it all day over Flashpoint

[@sparquisdesade]

Hot take, these takes often prove just how clinically brain dead the community is

[@MookaLuchaTv]

Hot take: genji ult isn’t bad but it’s not good lowkey useless bc I can just one shot without it even with nano it’s better without blade it would probably be better if they give him like a shout buff with it or something idk

[@deedeesga34]

karq look good ngl

[@ping4d064]

i’m fine with flashpoint but clash is just control if control was dogshit

[@dampayload]

6:37 learn to swap? Overwatch players don't do that silly.

[@Sn8kebites]

Hot Take: Playing Kiriko feels bad to play she gets outclassed by most other supports and is really just used to hard counter ana.

[@OveractiveTiger]

thats for sure a hot take 🤣

[@yobbolk]

What is ur kunia crit accuracy %? lol

[@DeerUNIT42]

WTF is 2CP. Sincerely every ow2 player that didn't play OW1

[@JX--sv8kz]

Clash is the worst mode they ever put in the game.This is what 2cp died for💀

[@Bad3abdul]

metal

[@chriswilliams5291]

I find clash more enjoyable than 2cp. At least both teams are attacking and defending.

[@Bad3abdul]

@@JX--sv8kz you just can't play it mate

[@Federer227]

Hot Take: Blizzard are too afraid to change hero believeing a hero identity is attatched to an "core ability" - For example, you could remove the Hack ability of Sombra and blend it into Virus, so it becomes a "Hack" Skillshot (you could also throw Virus into health packs to hack them) and them Split Stealth/Translocator into two abilities - but no, Sombra is all about the Hack ability and they will never change that... 😢

[@blobfish1649]

0:58 KarQ did a pretty good job responding, but like that take is pretty much just pure ignorance. You can't tell someone what to do with their life especially since you don't even know them. Maybe they are just a teenager and will grow out of it, maybe they had a crap day at work, or maybe it doesn't matter. Muting exists for a reason, just block them and move on with yourself, nobody is perfect, and there's no one solution to stop people from being toxic.

[@SocialExperiment232]

Yeah. I think is time we, as a society, stop expecting everybody to treat us perfectly and stop acting like someone treating you slightly badly is just so terrible that you may end your life over it. If a strangers comments make you that sad then you’re just fragile and need to work on yourself. Yes the person needs to be less of an ahole but then you also need to stop crying so much. So technically these people need each other to improve in life. There’s my zenyatta take.

[@blobfish1649]

@@SocialExperiment232 A bit aggressive, but yeah that's mostly fair. Some people will also naturally take those comments worse than others, which isn't their fault either. People fail to point out 2 sides: the person naturally being toxic, the the person naturally have a little bit of a fragile ego. Both sides need to do something to improve themselves, not just the one being toxic. It's a life skill to be able to not take insults to heart because it does take a lot of work to get it to that way. Same with the opposing side, it takes a lot of freaking work to train your self to not get emotional over little things in life. This isn't about one side being in the wrong, it's about both sides reflecting the issue to themselves, and working on it. Like you said, they do need each other. People berating me for over a year on Valorant truly helped me reflect and realize I don't give a crap what some random thinks. It hurts at first, but you do grow eventually.

[@SocialExperiment232]

@@blobfish1649 you said it better than me but yeah that’s what I meant. Both parties need to work on controlling their emotions cause it’s a life skill and also part of the skill of competitive gaming. I saw a comment from a dude claiming he stopped playing comp cause people would flame him… it’s sad he was flamed but to quit something you love cause of some people being mad is just not a way to live life. But as you said it also used to bother me, I was 12 when I started playing in cod lobbies and I couldn’t believe the stuff people tell each other but it didn’t take me long to just tune them out. Now if someone’s acting like a crying baby over me not playing perfectly I just think “they’ll get over it”. Also I don’t think someone deserves to lose their account just cause they failed to control themselves a few times.

[@spych0367]

The first one is dumb I play more games when I get in quicker than more wins

[@mistan2403]

I hate clash with a passion. It made me uninstall the game. It still pops up too much in the rotation

[@dampayload]

shit talk and I'll shit talk back. You get disrespectful I get disrespectful back. I just find it fun cause you don't do it in real life lol.

[@joezhou7491]

clash is the worst