Who pays for this? [Engine dies while servicing A/C system]

Watch the full video of this diagnosis and repair and then tell us how you would bill for a job like this.

[@cameronscott2788]

What an excellent video to capture a fault like this, to bad most who watch this will completely miss the fact this is a disaster for a shop. Imagine trying to explain this to a customer. What if the part that failed is thousands of $$? Customer refuses to pay, car was running fine before you worked on it. I've seen this on multiple occasions and unfortunately the shop had to eat the repair. Thank you Paul for your great content

[@ScannerDanner]

Exactly! Thanks so much

[@artvance8251]

My explanation when the bazaar occurred while the customers car was in my shop was , at least it occurred in my shop instead of you being out and having to deal with it on the streets. Always enjoy your videos. Thank you.

[@Elsanta666]

Happened to my friend, the extra load of the ac clutch caused the timing to jump a tooth

[@nicktorres5540]

That’s nuts, Thanks for that info

[@ryanhoaglin9907]

Crank position sensor has left the chat.

[@ronjohnson8119]

On a 4 liter? Nah, unheard of!

[@victormendoza871]

Best case scenario

[@noahmcabee2534]

​@@ronjohnson8119it's literally the Achilles heel of the Mopar 4.0 really dogshit placement on it aswell,right on top of the bellhousing with just enough gap to make you think you can do it 😂😂😂😂

[@AV80R209]

What are the odds that it would just quit while you are working on it and filming a video??? You should go buy a lottery ticket...or at least go inside before you get struck by lightning.

[@ScannerDanner]

I know right?!

[@nicktorres5540]

To be fair it is his job and films all the cars he’s working on this is shorts out of longer videos but he’s like the best diagnostics technician I’ve ever gotten to watch.

[@ScannerDanner]

​@@nicktorres5540 thanks my friend

[@lanwickum]

I have similar happen. Serviced A/C then it would not start. Bad harness is what it was. Took 4 hours to get it started for a 1hr a/c service.

[@ScannerDanner]

And there is no way a garage should have to eat that cost.

[@nunya2814]

Are peoples attention spans so short now they cant even finish a short to see this wasnt a fuel problem?

[@ScannerDanner]

😂 totally!

[@nunya2814]

@@ScannerDanner smh, sad state of affairs my friend.

[@JoshSmith-wo7zw]

Coil pack or crank sensor.

[@ebolawarrior451]

When it makes sounds like a truck in a industrial grinder it’s done son.

[@ScannerDanner]

That was just the cat rattling. Watch the full video

[@cullenmiller8170]

I guess dad pays for that one. 🤣🤣

[@karlsanders9639]

Mine was a cam sensor It would start when cold After it was warm Turn it off No start Let set get cold would start run all day But if u turned it off again no start Dodge 1500 with the engine an distubtor buried under the friggin dash

[@alim6727]

A/c piston is way to heavy for the engine to handle. You may want to consider re-servicing the a/c motor and check the condenser filter. Afterward, check for motor pressure. That’s as far as I know if the clutch is in good running condition

[@ScannerDanner]

😂

[@bryanstrietelmeier2573]

The Jeep 4.0 liter woes!

[@jamesshaw4954]

my 2015 2.0 ecoboost sounded the same when the head gasket finally blew

[@ryanlang1548]

Some fuel filter maybe🤷‍♂️ I know I've run into something like that before on heavy equipment🤔

[@nwadeswim]

I have been there...pulled a car in and brake lines burst. Parked a car, applied the parking break and cables snap. It is never easy to explain!

[@user-ge2fb9fh2q]

Bad day for everyone involved. Shop has to get it running and worry about cost, owner is pissed and will say you touched it it was fine when i left which is true to an extent. Shop didnt due it bc of an error so really aren't to blame but will probably end up eating it, owner didn't do it but will have to shell out for it if they are reasonable people,and then still bad mouth the shop. Happens all the time in remodeling, and some people listen to reason most don't sadly, literally tell them i can not see thrubwalls, i have expectations based on experience,but nothing is set in stone, stuff happens. I hope you got it running with something simple. Enjoy the videos and the technical knowledge deep dives 👍. nothing like Pittsburgh rust bucket hoopties

[@N33DS]

Please tell me the Crank/Cam signal(s) just sputtered and stalled out. 😂 I'll feel so much less offended by the things I've been put through by my jeep Sir.

[@jomomma9307]

Looks like a gm 4.3 lol probably the fpr on the back of the injection module.

[@derleo89]

Shops could consider to have cameras running for this reason... you can set to delete the video within 24h if it's not needed, but not having to eat the cost on sth like this would make it pay for itself.

[@ChPeRo]

Crank sensor heat soak?

[@afroman5531]

I gotta ask, what did it end up being?

[@ScannerDanner]

Watch the full video linked in this short! Thank you

[@anthonycurtiskeller]

Bad coil Saved you some time

[@noahmcabee2534]

​@@ScannerDanner you're a goofy douchebag , definitely not watching your video 😂😂😂😂😂

[@JohnSmith-xu7ev]

It worked when i brought it in

[@majestichogs]

Asd relay

[@kick-start-or-die]

I do not like to idle my engine's. This just confirmed my fears

[@carltonp420]

Thats why ev will flourish even with the haters. Gas engines are junk

[@ScannerDanner]

Current battery technology is the hold up. Once they figure out how to get 300 miles on a 5 minute charge, the ICE will be dead

[@Shumanjura]

Those Jeep 4.0s run great, until they dont. 😂

[@jbarnhill50]

Crank sensor it's a jeep 4.0

[@theadventuresofjavier8698]

I’ve had that surprised look on my face many times over the years. Good thing you had it on video…. “Sure it died on you for no reason “ Customer…… God bless you Paul

[@craigk965]

Wouldn't worry about the ac now....

[@rickybailey7123]

Crank sensor

[@Jack-jl2vf]

Easy just put on the indicator to signal left then turn right,, confuse the hell out of the missile,,,easy peezy..

[@robert3667]

That rattle sounded like broken catalytic probably blocking the exhaust?

[@ScannerDanner]

Cat does rattle, but on this model, only the outer shell comes loose, so there is no type of exhaust restriction. Been this way for 6 years+ now.

[@maidenlord6663]

Sounds like a vapor locked

[@ScannerDanner]

Check out the full video! It was really cool

[@joeholdahl8071]

Do enough work we've all been there outta 100 jobs some will go south with other items failing or repair itself usually bad parts 👎

[@NuclearGameVideos]

Aren't you glad you record your work

[@ScannerDanner]

Yes! 😀

[@dewaynemoody2024]

Customer got to pay I was taking off a tire to do a tie rod end and one of the wheel studs broke off. Not My fault so told dem and now they are getting a new wheel hub assembly..👊

[@2001BornAgain]

So was their bearing bad or could you have jist called Autozone and had them bring out a wheel stud? Hmm, how much is a wheel stud versus a hub assembly, $2 versus $200?

[@jakegenocide]

​@@2001BornAgain He doesn't have a press and doesn't know how to do studs or bearings. A hub is only the strut bolts, brake lines, and some carter pins and crown nuts. Don't trust backyard mechanics.

[@andrewmendez260]

you mean don't trust the backyard mechanic who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing@jakegenocide

[@Bravada1998]

Hey my friend we love your videos first thing I do is check for gas oil and coolant and the radio cuz I surely don't trust anybody then when I get in the car and try and drive it wonder whose fault it will be that something therefore, going to be more work for you now trying to get that gas all the way back in the carburetor if they run out of gass then if there's no oil and the air condition compressor then it just seized up and now they'll need a new one pf those how about summertime hot cold hot cold water in the gas lines water in the it's not going to start very well with water in the bottom of the gas tank and then when the girls can't get the car started wonder who they come to cuz we sre stuck, so I've been stuck before but I tend to remember how about some starting fluid,🎉❤

[@IDK_Mr.M]

Bad gas

[@McGregor007]

So what was it?

[@ScannerDanner]

Watch the full video linked in the short! It's right on the screen while you're watching the short (click able title)

[@McGregor007]

@@ScannerDanner somehow I missed that the first time around.. nice. Hahah. Gonna check that out now.

[@jimforsyth2.]

Not that!

[@bloajmj2680]

Water in fuel

[@mikeycurtis7861]

Ac pulley?

[@ScannerDanner]

No sir

[@2001BornAgain]

It’s additional time, and mechanics sell time. That’s the customer’s fault. They have to eat it. Not hard to fill up before going to get work done on your car.

[@nunya2814]

If you watched the whole short you would've seen this wasn't a fuel issue. smh

[@harrybainjr7118]

Time to tell us what was the issue.

[@ScannerDanner]

Watch the full video linked in the short!

[@anthonycurtiskeller]

Bad coil Saved you some time

[@simbad909]

Ut oh

[@AtomicReverend]

Control module

[@ScannerDanner]

Did you roll your diagnostic dice to come up with that? 🙂

[@AtomicReverend]

@@ScannerDanner yes it is and was a total guess but there is logic behind it. Well it is definitely an ignition issue but without being there with an ohm meter to actually check the coil, the magnetic pickup exc... I said control module because they are notorious to die abruptly when the engine is warm (as are coils) but without having any idea what kind of engine it is or how many cylinders it has I went with control module because if the car is a coil pack vehicle it could lose 1 or 2 cylinders but stay running but this engine abruptly died without even a "sneeze".

[@prestonmiller6528]

@@AtomicReverendthis engine shut off rather harshly. It didn’t just die like you say. You seem to lack basic knowledge of technology that’s considered even slightly modern.

[@AtomicReverend]

That engine did not shut off "harshly" which purely subjective, it shut off relatively abrupt (which arguably is also subjective) but I digress. Now it's time you learn about automobiles because clearly you don't know what you're talking about and I do and you making a guess on my automotive background based on one paragraph I wrote in a comment section on a KZbin video is extremely naive at best but judging by how quickly you are to judge another man it tells me you probably really don't know what you are talking about but that too digress because again I don't know you from Adam or Eve and I don't want to make assumptions based on one stupid paragraph. Here is the facts: All engines that are fired with a sparkplug (in other words excluding diesel or external combustion like steam) have some sort of a control module even modern distributorless ignition vehicles still have a control module this might be a news flash for you but so did the distributor cars of cars in the 1990s and even the 1970s GM HEI, Chrysler lean spark, and the ford duraspark systems that are now almost a half of a century old have/had an electronic ignition control module if some sort. Arguably points ignition systems are still a control module they are just mechanical but they too determine when the engine is to fire the spark plug even if it isn't quiet as precise as a modern distributorless ignition vehicle. Now for our conversation We are going to stay on the electronic era of distributorless ignition systems because I don't understand them... The electronic Control module is the thing that tells the sparkplug to fire. On most (but not all) of the newer vehicles the engine control module is now used to monitor and control many components of the vehicle's Engine management system which means the EEC (electronic engine controls), ECU (electronic control unit) and sometimes it even incorporates the climate control and a few other odds and ends in a vehicle into the engine control module or the powertrain control module if you want to call it that. But generally the the powertrain control module now incorporates inside of it the ignition control module and even if it isn't serviceable by the average technician but it is still there in the circuitry and can still go bad. The only difference between the big giant ignition boxes of the 1970s and the new one is the size and it now it takes specialized tools which means a really pricey scan tool or a computer with the proper software and electrical connections that you can use to communicate with the cars ignition system instead of a good old-fashioned multimeter, and it also means increased parts cost because today when the ignition control module dies you got to replace the powertrain module which it is incorporated inside so now you're spending hundreds of dollars instead of dozens of dollars. But you're right I don't know anything I mean after having my ASE A1 through A8 along with my 3 part certs that I passed all a total of three times in a building in Rancho Cucamonga California must mean I am most certainly clueless on a automotive mechanic fundamentals... (And when I said three times, I mean three times, the first was the official test after then it was renewals 2 different times... as of about 2 years ago I let my ASE stuff lapse because I don't want to work on late model cars because they suck and I am no longer employed (because I quit) by a local stealership, I also do not ever want to sell car parts again because there was nothing worse than dealing with so-called customer experts that were parts replacers not diagnostic people. In case you did not know which apparently you don't but an engine is an engine which is still an engine which means no matter the era they all operate the same way new ones just use electronic circuitry to squeeze every last bit of power and efficiency (along with controlling emissions better) out of an engine but once you understand the basics of an internal combustion engine all the rest of it is just add on stuff and all you have to do is understand how to test the individual sensor which generally speaking is using a multimeter along with experience and proper part identification to be able to diagnose a problem in an engine. Myself I am going backwards when it comes to working on cars, at 45 years old if I'm going to cheese grade my knuckles it's going to be on an old car that I actually enjoy working on. I would much rather build a performance Model A Ford Banger engine that on a good day won't probably break 100 horsepower then work on the abysmal garbage that we call new vehicles. And With the crackdown on larger displacement vehicles you are going to see the internal combustion engine pushed to the ragged edge to squeeze power out of ever smaller and smaller packages, this means more technology and vehicles that become more and more difficult to work on but I digress with ever-increasing parts prices. I don't think it's a coincidence that a quality control module for a 1976 ford is maybe 30 bucks and today a 2019 ford powertrain control module is around 800 bucks. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I'm pretty sure this is deliberate and planned obsolescence to make vehicles too difficult to work on by the home mechanic or small shop. So if by somehow you turn a wrench good luck with that and have fun with that you can have my job, I'm enjoying this construction thing and I definitely know enough that I can keep any car on the road pretty much indefinitely so I don't have to worry about the new tech and I don't plan on buying any car where the HVAC system it's part of the infotainment center but that too i digress.

[@erickcarlson9245]

Thanks Joe Biden

[@MissilemanIII]

Sounds like it's vapor locked

[@ScannerDanner]

Watch the full video linked in this short. Thanks!

[@careyautorepairs]

Not good.

[@leethomas9198]

When it happened to me last week I was out of gas thanks to a defective sending unit. My fault cause I knew I had more miles than I should from previous fill. Ehhh not as eventful as it was when I was 18 and local policeman had dispatch call dad for me. 😂

[@JoshSmith-wo7zw]

Probably a bad fuel pump.