Scarecrows - Failed MtG Mechanics

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@Thalarion
@Thalarion 8 ай бұрын
"Reaper King Tribal" Lmao yeah ok, I thought we were gonna go changelings
@simic0racle157
@simic0racle157 8 ай бұрын
21:01
@asimovvomisa4040
@asimovvomisa4040 8 ай бұрын
Too bad most scarecrows are colorless or Morophon blink deck would be interesting.
@mdb45424
@mdb45424 8 ай бұрын
You had to,
@rodneysmith873
@rodneysmith873 8 ай бұрын
Changeling scarecrows is pretty good with reaper king especially the ones with champion
@mdb45424
@mdb45424 8 ай бұрын
@@rodneysmith873 especially the trible spells
@ultratog1028
@ultratog1028 8 ай бұрын
Scarecrows were never meant to be a commander or sealed deck. Commander didnt start to get popular until right after Shadowmoor with Shards of Alara.
@Havok91
@Havok91 8 ай бұрын
They're a fantastic and flavorful casual deck for Halloween
@ofox716
@ofox716 8 ай бұрын
"Failed" typically just means "no longer gets support" I don't like this guy because he forced MtG into the same mold he used for Yugioh. And did the same thing for each of his several channels.
@ItsMeBeeee
@ItsMeBeeee 8 ай бұрын
​@@ofox716it really is a content farm
@franslair2199
@franslair2199 8 ай бұрын
​@@ofox716it's a content farm. He doesn't know anything about Magic or cares about it at all (as evident by constant mispronounciations of names you would have heard said a trillion times if you were into magic), other people write scripts for magic videos for him and he reads them out loud.
@perfectblue2992
@perfectblue2992 8 ай бұрын
​@@franslair2199They dont exactly pretend to care, just seems weird to get mad about. To me, its just comfy background noise, and i get to know some magic. Feel free to recommend better channels if you want though.
@MegaJoka100
@MegaJoka100 8 ай бұрын
9:48 There is one other colored scarecrow in magic. The Portal Three Kingdoms "Straw Soldier" is blue and had gotten an errata to be a "Scarecrow Soldier" instead of just a Soldier. It is also the only non artifact scarecrow.
@ZobmieRules
@ZobmieRules 7 ай бұрын
Look at this guy with the DEEP TRIVIA
@lanibentz9976
@lanibentz9976 8 ай бұрын
Reaper king is the perfect encapsulation of a scarecrow. From a far he looks scary, like something that could kill you. But then you get close and realize it’s just a harmless scarecrow
@Clepto_and_Co
@Clepto_and_Co 8 ай бұрын
I feel like scarecrows not having reach by default like spiders is a crime
@PhoenicopterusR
@PhoenicopterusR 8 ай бұрын
Menace and reach but only against birds.
@Clepto_and_Co
@Clepto_and_Co 8 ай бұрын
@@PhoenicopterusR menace reach fear and protection from birds
@Ash2Flame116
@Ash2Flame116 8 ай бұрын
How about removing the benefits of flying. That way (if scarecrows weren’t trash) the opponent couldn’t just avoid them
@simonecosci565
@simonecosci565 8 ай бұрын
They should have protection from creature with flying
@Dunsparce206
@Dunsparce206 2 ай бұрын
Posting from six months in the future: Duskmourn: House of Horrors is having it's spoiler season and 4 new scarecrows have been revealed so far. All four are colored(Golgari, Gruul, Mono-Green, and Mono-Black in terms of order they were revealed), with more likely on the way. So now we can finally have scarecrows with color that are not Reaper King(or that weird Mono-Blue vanilla creature Straw Soldiers from Portal: Three Kingdoms). Might make the Shadowmoor scarecrows marginally more playable in a Scarecrow Tribal deck.
@natenathan2654
@natenathan2654 8 ай бұрын
Whats with the lorwyn hate. Its my favorite set! It introduced so many cool inventive things. Not all of them were good, but it was uniformly enjoyable
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
Yes there are lots of things Lorwyn did well: * Changelings * Hybrid Mana * Swans of Bryn Argoll (just one of my favorite cards) * The basic land art
@mantidream8179
@mantidream8179 8 ай бұрын
Lorwyn was great, haters gonna hate
@jshtng78
@jshtng78 8 ай бұрын
@@mantidream8179 Pointing out the mechanics that didn't work and stating that mechanical design was wonky in that Block is not hating. It's just being non-delusional.
@jonothanthrace1530
@jonothanthrace1530 8 ай бұрын
Lorwyn definitely is the most interesting setting I've ever seen.
@gemadragon9310
@gemadragon9310 8 ай бұрын
@@jshtng78 Scarecrows worked perfectly fine, theyre purposefully for Draft to fill out the deck
@nanya524
@nanya524 8 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Reaper King costs 10 mana, even though you can pay WUBRG to cast him, but if you have cards that reduce the cost of colored spells or artifact spells, you can only pay 3-4 for him. Also, if you have Vial Smasher out, you'll deal 10 damage to an opponent.
@michaelmarsh1723
@michaelmarsh1723 8 ай бұрын
Hold on, I uh... now have to go find a way to abuse this, lmao
@doodlealchemist1257
@doodlealchemist1257 8 ай бұрын
@@michaelmarsh1723 Visions of Ruin is a 4 mana card that forces your opponents to sacrifice artifacts while giving you 3 treasures and has flashback 2. Majestic Genesis is an 8 mana put the top ten cards onto the battlefield. Padeem, Consul of Innovaton lets you draw a card every upkeep since you'll most likely have the highest costing artifact. Traverse Eternity, One with the Machine, and Rush of Knowledge allows you to draw 10 for 4-5 mana.
@nanya524
@nanya524 8 ай бұрын
@@michaelmarsh1723 Helm of the Host and Blade of Selves are great for Reaper King as it gives you free shotgun effect every turn.
@Mysterium-zy6ri
@Mysterium-zy6ri 8 ай бұрын
Duplicate the card foundry inspector a bunch of times and cast reaper king and 99% of scarecrows for free
@thedude3796
@thedude3796 8 ай бұрын
I RAN reaper king as a commander for a year and just now learned he pumps scarecrows. Thats how irrelevant the ability is next to his god tier secondary ability. Reaper king ruined scarecrows for all of time because he’s so good that the tribe cant be good or reaper king would be unstoppable
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 8 ай бұрын
I blame Painter's Servant personally.
@Ryluth
@Ryluth 8 ай бұрын
Sliver's exist, free the Reaper King.
@austinkeller5105
@austinkeller5105 8 ай бұрын
There's no way you played for a year and didn't notice it dude
@Jerhevon
@Jerhevon 3 ай бұрын
@@austinkeller5105 Reaper King decks don't really kill by damage. And most scarecrows even with the buff are still irrelevant in combat. But they will grind everything you love to dust. And then eventually move your life total to 0.
@austinkeller5105
@austinkeller5105 2 ай бұрын
@@Jerhevon I never asked lol
@pidgeotroll
@pidgeotroll 8 ай бұрын
Scarecrows were a limited tribe meant to interact with the various mechanics of their sets: -1/-1 counters and color matters using hybrid mana costs to get extra colors in play for free.
@InterloperBob
@InterloperBob 8 ай бұрын
The one with persist as long as you have a black creature is great, especially since a few black creatures also have persist, so you can get multiple respawning creatures with it. And so few cards have persist, so it's worth it at 3 for 2/2.
@harperna3938
@harperna3938 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, they were very clearly meant to be played alongside another larger Shadowmoor/Eventide tribe from Lorwyn block in the same way that the giants were in Lorwyn/Morningtide.
@yuuumtheepic4118
@yuuumtheepic4118 8 ай бұрын
@@harperna3938 Then, to qoute the video, why did wizard decide to randomly print a bunch of high rarity scarecrow tribal support? If scarecrows had stayed low-quality draft fodder, then they wouldn't have been a failed mechanic. But the moment Wizards printed 'tribal support' it becomes an archetype. Imagine being a new, casual player in Lorwyn, pulling a Scarecrow lord card and thinking "Damn, this looks cool! I wanna build around this rare I just pulled", only to find out every single support card is absolute fucking trash. That's why it's a failure
@EarthToMaverick
@EarthToMaverick 8 ай бұрын
PRAYING for a new Reaper King commander for Lorwyn next year, Im so tired of my favorite tribe not being able to be play because of the only commander's power
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 8 ай бұрын
More scarecrows wou be fun. Maybe some tribal spells and a themed All is Dust. Hope I named the right spell.
@astuteanansi4935
@astuteanansi4935 8 ай бұрын
Why would you ever build scarecrows for any other reason than to abuse Reaper King? It's hard to even call them a tribe when don't really have any kind of theming to them, other than sucking. Even with the one commander that can actually abuse them, people mostly run changelings instead, which is saying something given that changelings are *also* a bunch of mostly inefficient creatures, yet somehow still better than scarecrows
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 8 ай бұрын
@@astuteanansi4935 What people want is new and more scarecrows. New cards to use, abuse, and have fun with. New creatures, instants, enchantments, maybe even some tribal lands. Actually some Tribal Lands could be fun. Have a tribal plains be Wheat Field or something like that. Pay 1, tap; the next Scarecrow you play this turn cost 3 less. Possibly lean into the horror angle Reaper King has. Possibly a retrain of Reaper King. We have what, 5 Niv-Mizzets? Scarecrows need support. I hope they get it.
@theweirdlyfriendlymushroom7920
@theweirdlyfriendlymushroom7920 8 ай бұрын
As a person who design cube and who has studied a lot the lorwyn blocks, it's not a mistake for an archetype to be just slightly present in the pool in limited. In Lorwyn and Shadwomoore they wanted you to create decks with mixes strategies, they had cards with either multiple colors or types, and the idea was to mix multiple themes and trybes in one. Scarecrows were colorless creatures that could fit in multiple strategies, the presence of a tribal element was just because a creative player who drafted those card could try and do something. It didn't need to be strong but expressive.
@livedandletdie
@livedandletdie 8 ай бұрын
Remember that things like Assemble the Legion, Avatar of Zendikar, Awakening Zone, work so well with Arcane Adaptation and Reaper King, that it's actually one of the easiest Commanders to build around.
@TheMinskyTerrorist
@TheMinskyTerrorist 8 ай бұрын
It doesn't make sense to fault cards for being designed for Limited and Draft and not Commander decks that wouldn't have existed until a decade later.
@PhoenicopterusR
@PhoenicopterusR 8 ай бұрын
Yeah this seems less like failed mechanics and more like something not being supported because there wasn't consideration for it.
@livedandletdie
@livedandletdie 8 ай бұрын
Scarecrows as a tribe is a failure, no matter how you look at it, which is hilarious because Reaper King if it had any other tribe than scarecrow would've been one of the most broken cards in MTG History. People have a passioned hatred of Iona, but if Reaper King said Soldier, or Zombies or anything else which is easy to get billions of on board, it would've been insta banned.
@UMAtronic
@UMAtronic 8 ай бұрын
​@@livedandletdie if it was humans or hell even just "creatures with no abilities" thatd be nuts.
@yuuumtheepic4118
@yuuumtheepic4118 8 ай бұрын
If scarecrows had stayed low-quality draft fodder, then they wouldn't have been a failed mechanic. But the moment Wizards printed 'tribal support' it becomes an archetype. Imagine being a new, casual player in Lorwyn, pulling a Scarecrow lord card and thinking "Damn, this looks cool! I wanna build around this rare I just pulled", only to find out every single support card is absolute fucking trash. That's why it's a failure
@TheMinskyTerrorist
@TheMinskyTerrorist 8 ай бұрын
@@yuuumtheepic4118 Not really. It's exactly one card that you probably could build around in draft due to the amount of changelings. I'm talking about comments like "this is really bad in commander." Who cares about commander?
@MelodyBarrens
@MelodyBarrens 8 ай бұрын
I've never seen Scarecrows before this video, but I love how creepy they are. It's sad to hear they've been abandoned. Goth girl needs her goth deck!
@KreuzDrache
@KreuzDrache 8 ай бұрын
Considering we are having a set based on Lorwyn sometime in 2025 (As well as them being prime commander fodder with being artifact creatures), it is very likely.
@uglyaniimals
@uglyaniimals 8 ай бұрын
agreed haha
@Jerhevon
@Jerhevon 3 ай бұрын
Abandoned really is inappropriate a term here. They're just one of the little creatures to round out drafts. Most typically for Innistrad.
@kevinmcknight5000
@kevinmcknight5000 8 ай бұрын
Don't worry, now we have leyline of the guildpact to make all scarecrows all 5 colors.
@Goldy01
@Goldy01 8 ай бұрын
And of course, the best scarecrow, Roaming Throne! 👍
@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant
@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant 8 ай бұрын
I have a fun Reaper King deck on moxfield; "The Printer's Broken"... every changeling is a scarecrow you know!
@jj-sc1kq
@jj-sc1kq 8 ай бұрын
Painter's servant was one that i always wanted to include. Pila pala also. I didn't know about Scaretiller. That sounds super useful for a landfall deck.
@asterism343
@asterism343 8 ай бұрын
5:23 wouldn't it be 25 triggers, not 24?
@zsewqaspider
@zsewqaspider 8 ай бұрын
it would actually be 30, 6 reaper kings see 5 scarecrows etb
@benikujaku4567
@benikujaku4567 8 ай бұрын
No‚ it's 24. The original reaper king sees 5 copies enter the battlefield‚ while each of the 5 copies sees 4 other copies enter.
@haeilsey
@haeilsey 8 ай бұрын
@@benikujaku45675*4+5 is very much 25
@benikujaku4567
@benikujaku4567 8 ай бұрын
@@haeilsey You. Are absolutely right. Sorry for that.
@techwizsmith7963
@techwizsmith7963 8 ай бұрын
​@@benikujaku4567They don't see themselves, that explains it for me
@iamrepairmanman
@iamrepairmanman 8 ай бұрын
The untap symbol make scarecrows great for infinites
@jettblade
@jettblade 8 ай бұрын
That Secret Lair was themed around 5 color legendary creatures. There hasn't been that many 5 legends that people played in Commander, something that was getting very popular when they started dropping the Secret Lairs. Honestly Scarecrows were never supported or even focused, having a single pay off doesn't really count as having support. Also Reaper King has gotten better with Changelings who've had a good support as well as new great blink effects, which people sleep on.
@gpwaltz
@gpwaltz 8 ай бұрын
Small thing, but I think the term is "2-brid" (as in "two hybrid"), not "2-bid"
@pitmaster226
@pitmaster226 8 ай бұрын
Idk why it’s not called Bi-Brid but that’s just me from the Chan-draw party
@DAsrada
@DAsrada 8 ай бұрын
Though considering there's going to be a new more modern horror plane visited in an upcoming set, I bet Scarecrows will be a supported type there.
@WIBYTIEDH
@WIBYTIEDH 8 ай бұрын
Okay but now I kinda want to make a Scarecrow tribal commander just to spite Wizards
@franslair2199
@franslair2199 8 ай бұрын
There's a scarecrow tribal deck on moxfield that's pretty neat, you can find it by filtering by casual and by most likes
@WIBYTIEDH
@WIBYTIEDH 8 ай бұрын
@@franslair2199 Oh yeah there's a few. The release of Leyline of the Guildpact is actually brilliant for that type of strategy as it makes all of your permanents all colours so the Skulkins and old Scarecrows count for themselves now
@stigmurder99
@stigmurder99 8 ай бұрын
I built it a few years ago, you need to run protection for Reaper King because the gets killed constantly. Still have it but doesn't work very often
@pug8714
@pug8714 8 ай бұрын
It works pretty well
@cameronbarnes1434
@cameronbarnes1434 8 ай бұрын
I have a scarecrow commander. it's funny but slow because of the land base I had at the time
@ekszentrik
@ekszentrik 8 ай бұрын
I can't believe the flavor text of Reaper King reads "it's reapin' time"
@thomasallen3570
@thomasallen3570 8 ай бұрын
Hmm, Helm of the Host and Reaper King. Might have to consider that toxic bit of fun when I want to be public enemy number one!
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 8 ай бұрын
Add Blade of Selves. Free tokens on attack.
@ryanbolson23
@ryanbolson23 8 ай бұрын
*Laughs in Rukarumel, Biologist naming Scarecrow
@Jerhevon
@Jerhevon 3 ай бұрын
My own Rukarumel is Jurassic Park themed. But did have a game where an opponent put out a Mana Flare and didn't win. Henry Wu exploited my last dinosaur for treasure. This let me cast Rukarumel who asked "Are we not gods?" Then I cracked the World Tree to put most of my creatures and most of my dinosaurs onto the battlefield all at once. XD
@THEFRISKIESTDINGO
@THEFRISKIESTDINGO 8 ай бұрын
“You can target the same permanent multiple times” _Yeah fuck that mountain-specifically._
@Kei-ye8if
@Kei-ye8if 8 ай бұрын
pumpkinswift and the other scriptwriters for every other Logs channels deserve so much praise. Engaging scripts with hiruma's narrating style, it's a shame the channels are only mildly successful, albeit with a few viral bangers These kinds of videos do so much to get new players interested in a TCG
@spoton6010
@spoton6010 8 ай бұрын
His videos are exactly what got me into MtG. I didn't understand any of what he was talking about before getting it, but he does a good enough job that it still kept my attention
@GhostCryProductions
@GhostCryProductions 8 ай бұрын
Now look at you’ve done: I’m going to build a Reaper King deck. Edit: I have built the Reaper King deck. Fear me.
@XayedOnline
@XayedOnline 7 ай бұрын
share with me your ways! im currently building the deck
@zyxaqc
@zyxaqc 4 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the post-industrial horror vibe that a lot of these cards give off in their artwork.
@jovenc4508
@jovenc4508 8 ай бұрын
I have a Reaper King commander and haven't had any problems with making it work. I've even decided to add Preston the Vanisher, Mirror of Life Trapping and other blink spells to maximize the chaos.
@chriscutler7588
@chriscutler7588 8 ай бұрын
Could you cover the atogs?
@Vinegarhusband
@Vinegarhusband 8 ай бұрын
Please cover the atogs
@WurmZ420
@WurmZ420 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely, talking about bad tribes fml
@TheCCPlayer
@TheCCPlayer 8 ай бұрын
The Reaper King said "It's harvesting time", then proceeded to harvest all over them.
@keegansantoroski9042
@keegansantoroski9042 8 ай бұрын
I've got a 60-card casual scarecrow deck and I'm able to fairly consistently get Reaper King out quickly by running a low number of lands, a lot of land search, card draw, and Fabricate. I also use Tribal Flames for more damage. It's by no means competitive and would lose in any tournament. But, it's a fun deck to play with friends.
@thatonescarecrow4692
@thatonescarecrow4692 8 ай бұрын
Well, there's a good scarecrow, but it's Arena only, Wickerwing Effigy, which allows you to cast creatures from the top of the deck, making them into 1/1 black bird in addition to its types. Its variant in paper might've been able to help the tribal edh decks a little bit, but alas, only scarecrow help players get is defenders with mana filtering.
@movezig5
@movezig5 8 ай бұрын
Can we talk about how amazing the art on Scaretiller is though? It's a real shame such a great picture got wasted on such a bad card.
@chrismanuel9768
@chrismanuel9768 8 ай бұрын
Bad card? Fair costed artifact creature that grants land advantage on attack. By itself it's already a good card, it's not legendary so you can easily abuse it, and you can use it for fetch lands
@Gashnaw
@Gashnaw 8 ай бұрын
Reaper King, Scarecrone, mana Echoes, Rattleblaze, Rhythm of the Wild Reaper King, Changeling Berserker, Changeling Hero, Changeling titan. Two infinite combos.
@stephenbyers6173
@stephenbyers6173 6 ай бұрын
I love that channels like this exist so even though I haven't played/bought cards for Mtg since 2020 I can learn about all the new stuff.
@thebigdork8030
@thebigdork8030 8 ай бұрын
I think a better idea for this tribe would have been something like the Stitched from poxnora, all scarecrows leave behind scarecrow remains, those remains can be used as a resource for destruction effects or to rebuild more scarecrows. And finally giving offense focused scarecrows the ability to deconstruct defeated enemies into more scarecrow remains.
@ethanterry6363
@ethanterry6363 7 ай бұрын
By far one of my favorite videos you have made that I rewatch. Ever since I saw this I have been constructing the best Reaper King strategy I can think of
@jaynajuly2140
@jaynajuly2140 8 ай бұрын
At least their artworks go hard
@erikasimmons4667
@erikasimmons4667 8 ай бұрын
Scarecrone has a my updated Necron deck just as another reanimation option. Still not super efficient, but probably better than in a lot of other decks
@Jerhevon
@Jerhevon 3 ай бұрын
Scarecrone's great for reusing other Artifact creatures. eg Duplicant. And worst comes to worst, you pay 1 to sac her to herself for a card in the face of removal. :)
@lurkon
@lurkon 8 ай бұрын
Reaper King can be played for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 mana, depending on your mana base at time of casting. You get to choose the mode for each mana symbol, not all at once.
@chrismcculloch4586
@chrismcculloch4586 8 ай бұрын
The Scarecrows were Shadowmoor's equivalent to the Lorwyn Treefolk. Remember, everything shifted when Lorwyn became Shadowmoor. The Flamekin shifted from vibrant elementals to the Cinders, which were their dark reflections. The Kithkin shifted from gregarious hobbits to xenophobic tribal units. The Merfolk became more like Pathfinder's Skum. And so on...
@coreyroberson4550
@coreyroberson4550 8 ай бұрын
With Reaper King in play, you can set up a rolling exile/enters loop of Changeling Berserker, Changeling Hero, and Changeling Titan to machine gun every permanent controlled by your opponents. Changeling C enters, exiling Changeling B, which had already exiled Changeling A; this causes A to re-enter, triggering Reaper King and exiling C, which brings back B, then A, etc. It doesn't happen often at all, but it's a sight to see when it does.
@TheGahta
@TheGahta 8 ай бұрын
Since scarecrows arent meant to flock together i think thematically its peak flavor that they make a bad tribal decktype 😂
@silence_dais
@silence_dais 8 ай бұрын
My ideas for "Fixing" Scarecrows: -Do the Hybrid Mana again so that Scarecrows can go into any deck but work best in their color identity. -Give Scarecrows access to Intimidate, which used to be Fear but is for every color. They can still be 2/2s or 3/3s for 4 or 5 mana (With the Hybrid), so they aren't broken but they aren't terrible either and it makes the Scarecrow tribal deck more fun. - Make them Myr counterparts for more lore accurate planes. This gives them way more design space.
@XaviusNight
@XaviusNight 8 ай бұрын
Reaper King is the champion of Changeling decks
@vladspellbinder
@vladspellbinder 8 ай бұрын
As someone whose first self built E.D.H. deck, back when it was still called Elder Dragon Highlander, was a Reaper King deck I'm always happy to see a new Scarecrow printed because the deck wasn't even half Scarecrow when I first built it. Somewhat heartwarming story time: I was at a Shadowmoor tournament and got a free Japanese print copy of Scarecrone from someone there because I was running a Scarecrow deck in the tourny and mentioned how I needed a fifth copy of the crone for my E.D.H. deck and my opponent just happened to have one and gave it to me for free because they really liked the idea of a Reaper King E.D.H. deck. The other half of the deck is a Group Hug deck because the harvest will be bountiful this year and not just for me. The Scarecrows are there to protect the fields and let everyone benefit from things. I rarely ever actually cast Reaper King himself in that deck and typically try and play for second place, being the, funnily enough, kingmaker at the table. Thanks for the video.
@DreadPirateRobertz
@DreadPirateRobertz Ай бұрын
Duskmourn just dropped a few crows, we're back baby.
@Timorio
@Timorio 8 ай бұрын
0:52 Reaper Kink?!
@livedandletdie
@livedandletdie 8 ай бұрын
Reaper King is easily one of the cards that is best used without the tribe. And do you guys know how to best use it... Arcane Adaptation, and cheap token generators, and if you don't use Reaper King as your commander in EDH, you can simply cast him when no one's prepared for it, and everyone wonders why you chose Scarecrow with Arcane Adaption until the realization hits them like a sledgehammer.
@abderianagelast7868
@abderianagelast7868 8 ай бұрын
It's worth mentioning that Magic doesn't have decks in the same way that Yu-Gi-Oh does. Elves, for example, aren't restricted to a narrow selection of play paths like Eldlich or Skull Servant. Elf Typal can consist of playing a bunch of lords to buff your stats, a bunch of tokens to build a wide board, a combination of both, or even using topends that aren't Elves. Elves can also be used as ramp packages for other decks, even in other Typal decks entirely. So to the point of the video, there isn't a "scarecrow deck" that WotC prints support cards for like Konami does, that's just not how Magic works. There are way more cards that stand on their own instead of having effects that work with a very few highly specific cards. Edited to correct a typo
@FranciscoJG
@FranciscoJG 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, YGO being turned completely into an archetype-centered game was one of the reasons that killed it to me.
@thatoneboi9245
@thatoneboi9245 8 ай бұрын
@@FranciscoJG So since before the GX sets?
@firedrake110
@firedrake110 3 ай бұрын
It was fun to make use of some scarecrow tech in other decks at the time, but the best stuff I saw were the scarecrow/dragon hybrid lists that just used payoffs like reaper king and crucible of fire with changelings to have a bunch of must-answer permanents at the top of an already aggressive curve. Game-trail changeling being a 10/10 with trample because there are two crucibles in play was always a hoot
@Beezanami
@Beezanami 8 ай бұрын
Shapeshifters also works with reaper king.
@camb06
@camb06 8 ай бұрын
Scuttlemutt is a clutch support for my three-color Liege deck. I love getting little boosts of power by making a double-strike creature all colors and snagging the boosts from all my liege creatures. But like the video says, I was left mostly confused with how to use *any* of the scarecrows that I pulled back in Lorwyn, and they just sit in archives doing nothing.
@Atogatog-j9v
@Atogatog-j9v 6 ай бұрын
Scarecrows are my absolute favorite tribe. Their lore is so strange, especially how they were made by the Kithkin from the wood of dead treefolk.
@unything2696
@unything2696 8 ай бұрын
Not every creature type hast to be a strong tribal deck. Back in the days, that was something that only a real big tribe could do, as the name intends. There we're a few good ones (Goblins, Elfs, ...), some pretty bad ones (clerics, wizards (as a tribe), ...) . Most creature types were just flavour. Scarecrows are cool and have sick art. You guys and girls are valuable for just being human. That is enough.
@CannonCROW95
@CannonCROW95 8 ай бұрын
Man I love Scarecrows. The first deck I owned was Scarecrows, it's what got me into Magic. I really hope they get some love in the future.
@catoticneutral
@catoticneutral 8 ай бұрын
Being a bunch of colorless creatures that interact with creatures that have colors, scarecrows were obviously meant to be played in combination with non-scarecrow creatures.
@michaelmarsh1723
@michaelmarsh1723 8 ай бұрын
I was pretty sure it was 25 triggers, and sure enough it is. original king is 5, and then you have five copies from Rite of Replication, each triggering 4. 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 and the original five triggers, 25 total. Minor oopsie, but this IS a game that was designed to teach math, lol. Richard Garfield would be sad
@unknowncompany4479
@unknowncompany4479 8 ай бұрын
I just wanna say there are other creatures types, such as changelings, that can help support this deck. I had a friend who played a 5 color deck scarecrow king fakeout deck. The commander was a random 5 color creature, but the deck was pretty much just 5 color good stuff with heavy changeling and scarecrow tribal synergies. It was cool to see.
@chickenladysam4098
@chickenladysam4098 8 ай бұрын
As someone who has built a Repear King deck that can fully shut down a game in five turns, this is absolutely spot on. Either reaper king is killed on sight and i don't play, or i play solataire while cloning reaper king with helm and win. There is no in-between.
@EddieSmyth-oh7fu
@EddieSmyth-oh7fu 3 ай бұрын
I run scarecrows as support in my toxrill,all the negative counters is truly a sight to behold. They definitely don’t deserve any sort of a spotlight imo…but some of them are very neat and along side a very toxic slug they become even more deadly 💪
@captplanet8688
@captplanet8688 8 ай бұрын
See this video is a perfect encapsulation of why my tribal Scarecrow EDH deck has exactly 4 scarecrows and 31 Planeswalkers. Because the only way to make tribal Scarecrow work is to have a wall of superfriends in front of it.
@kapmasta
@kapmasta 8 ай бұрын
pretty thematic how bad they are together, after all scarecrows sit in the field alone
@kewldawg100
@kewldawg100 8 ай бұрын
I love playing my Reaper King Commander deck occasionally, but I think it would be a good idea to errata its effect to nonland permanents. Destroying Lands in commander is always seen as a "no fun allowed" move so I think making that an errata or house rule would be pretty alright. Also, Leyline of the Guildgates and Scion of Draco lead to some crazy shenanigans as well. XD
@TheDirtyPineapple
@TheDirtyPineapple 3 ай бұрын
My reaper king deck is my favorite. Legendary tribal with creature type changers. Yes, scarecrows are an underrepresented tribe, but I think treefolk get screwed more often. Farming isn't shown much in sets. However, there are so many elementals that are clearly treefolk.
@byronsmothers8064
@byronsmothers8064 8 ай бұрын
Using the world tree with maskwood nexus in play, so I can grab all "gods" out of my library, and putting all those "scarecrows" right into play!
@franzgriffle6063
@franzgriffle6063 Ай бұрын
And more scarecrows have been released, look forward to the update if we get one.
@griff_mtg6311
@griff_mtg6311 8 ай бұрын
I remember building Reaper King. EDH was just starting to pick up in our LGS, in late 2011. Even I knew the Scarecrow archetype was just horrible. I played a bunch of control to manage/win games. Natural Affinity, Dovescape, with elesh norn grand cenobite. My favorite was Rite of Replication kicked targeting, Reaper King. I might build it again since so many great cards have come out.
@jessejro7408
@jessejro7408 8 ай бұрын
As a big fan of the untap scarecrows (pili-pala and farmstead gleaner) I'm a little disappointed that farmstead gleaner didn't make an appearance. Really enjoyed the video. I'm hoping with Agatha's soul cauldron, pili-pala infinite mana will be more viable in constructed.
@Mungnum
@Mungnum 8 ай бұрын
I will say, grim poppet has been in my hapatra deck forever, it’s very good in that. Sure, 7 is a lot of mana, but it lets each -1/-1 instance trigger twice, two snakes for each. If you have blowfly infestation? Put a -1/-1 on a snake, make a snake, it dies, move it to poppet, make a snake, infinite 1/1 death touch snakes. Necroskitter out and something without a -1/-1 is going to die? Instant speed steal the creature. My boy grim poppet is a legend
@Jerhevon
@Jerhevon 3 ай бұрын
Grim poppet's among the best scarecrows to have in the vicinity of Scarecrone. Though in Reaper King I'll often search out Scarecrone and Wingrattle Scarecrow first.
@randomrants148
@randomrants148 8 ай бұрын
I think magic the gathering should return scarecrow and power creep them while sticking to their flavor.
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 8 ай бұрын
Their flavor: Broose Loops.
@forresttt2
@forresttt2 6 ай бұрын
When I was brand new to magic, The Reaper King was one of the first cards I saw. Knowing nothing about the game and power levels, reading the card it seemed insane. There goes my illusion, though it would still be fun in a casual/janky deck table.
@timbarth7850
@timbarth7850 8 ай бұрын
As logical reaction they made like a million overpowered sliver cards. Pushing op tribes seems obviously better somehow then make weak ones playable.
@erikschwartz1214
@erikschwartz1214 4 ай бұрын
My only problem has been playing mana fast enough. There are enough changelings/shapeshifters to substitute the really weak scarecrows. There is also enough artifacts to boost low power scarecrows with +1/+1's. Then add in Maskwood Nexus to create shapeshifters and you are good to go.
@Jerhevon
@Jerhevon 3 ай бұрын
I think my Reaper King deck has like 30 cards that can find or ramp mana. It does consider itself somewhat of a ramp deck. That way it can cast the Reaper King and a scarecrow on the same turn.
@jonothanthrace1530
@jonothanthrace1530 8 ай бұрын
I remember making up a land that created scarecrows in the mid-90s, possibly inspired by Ice Age's Brushland.
@nickstoneham5629
@nickstoneham5629 8 ай бұрын
I had the thought that maybe WotC could just print other legendary scarecrows for people to play as commanders, only to realize that since Reaper King is all five colours, any other potential commanders would just be relegated to the 99 of Reaper King decks. The only thing Wizards could do is make a legendary scarecrow that actively works against Reaper King, while also working with the other scarecrows, but it would still be unplayable without releasing more support for scarecrows, which would just empower Reaper King.
@vidiottheowl2825
@vidiottheowl2825 3 ай бұрын
would love to see scarecrows return and really delve into the tap/untap theme, but in a way that isn't infinite
@dylanstone7045
@dylanstone7045 3 ай бұрын
reaper king seems jank and i like jank. you’re succeeding in giving me ideas brother.
@senthesanguinesinner9
@senthesanguinesinner9 3 ай бұрын
I guess someone at WOTC really liked the Wizard of Oz character but, unfortunately, they themselves also lacked a brain…
@corpsecrow1590
@corpsecrow1590 8 ай бұрын
Rite of Replication targeting Reaper King and kicked? Destroy 25 targets you say? Looks like I found another addition to my ever strong Scarecrow EDH!!
@lachlank.8270
@lachlank.8270 8 ай бұрын
+See Double +Doppleganging +Fable of the Mirror Breaker
@BoisegangGaming
@BoisegangGaming 8 ай бұрын
I wonder how a scarecrow "colors matter" deck would work if the scarecrows had prototype. They'd still be colorless but the alternative casting condition would let them become a color.
@syrelian
@syrelian 8 ай бұрын
2-bid mana conceptually is cool, but if they wanted to do it again, could probably make it easier to parse via something like "This card is XYZ colors, this card costs 1 less mana for each [color] mana used to pay its cost" eg Reaper King would be "This card is all colors, this card costs 1 less mana for each different color mana used to pay its cost", this keeps the 10 CMC, and the 5 minimum, but reads much more cleanly
@xezerex4494
@xezerex4494 8 ай бұрын
This video seems to have been made in an alternate universe where Lorwyn/shadowmoor wasn’t full of shapeshifters with the Changeling ability…
@soulofseraph
@soulofseraph 8 ай бұрын
^~^ we're returning to lorwyn in 2025 least thats what the schedule says scarecrow tribe should be fun
@thetragicdecline5777
@thetragicdecline5777 8 ай бұрын
literally just play maskwood nexus(makes all your creatures every creature type) and other cards like that, a bunch of one mana drop creatures, make tokens, and a lot of protection for commander and it becomes one of the most cancer decks. there's actually no reason to play any actual scarecrow aside from the commander
@zachi2fox246
@zachi2fox246 8 ай бұрын
I loved running the OG nissa with all the champ changlings and vidicating the board
@aeichhor777
@aeichhor777 8 ай бұрын
I have a reaper king deck, it’s quirky and a lot of fun to play. It’s also a deck that wins out of nowhere and never looks threatening.
@kojiroh30
@kojiroh30 8 ай бұрын
When I brought in a Reaper King commander deck to my lgs back when the card wasn't that popular and RoR combo wasn't well known, others thought I was just using him to have access to 5 colors. I cast a kicked RoR and you guys know the rest.
@simic0racle157
@simic0racle157 8 ай бұрын
So if the issue is that every scarcrow is ballanced aginst triggering reaper kings ability, why are slivers so stacked, when we have: Sliver Overlord, Sliver Queen, The first Sliver, Sliver Legion, Sliver hivelord, Sliver Gravemother, and Slivdrazi Monstrosity...
@Insanity5163
@Insanity5163 8 ай бұрын
Slivers actually have tribal synergy, scarecrows do not. Slivers buff every other sliver, scarecrows... self-sac if you're missing your colors and kind of interact with -1/-1 counters? It's not so much that each scarecrow is balanced around Reaper King, it's that Reaper King is an incredible tribal payoff for a tribe that doesn't work well together.
@simic0racle157
@simic0racle157 8 ай бұрын
@@Insanity5163 well yeah they have "synergy" almost every tribe member is a lord of some kind.
@intentionaldisaster5604
@intentionaldisaster5604 8 ай бұрын
I hear what you're saying about confusing mana cost but IT SAYS IT ON THE CARD
@chillpeach1070
@chillpeach1070 3 ай бұрын
Un tribal llenos de drops 2 que pueden bajarse por 0 con poco esfuerzo, no es que el formato no tenga soporte para artefactos, si el tribal espantapájaros tuviera más soporte Reaper King sería un Nadu 2 porque estarían todos llorando como pelotudos de que es una mecánica muy rota y no se jugaría nunca. Es difícil balancear un tribal que tiene como mecánica principal agrandar bichos y destruir permanentes sin romper la mecánica en si. Tengo mi mazo, juego con el, me divierto jugando el jueguito... No es muy dificil. El problema es que ustedes quieren que todo sea meta. Habiendo dicho esto procedo a mirar el video, con el cual seguro estoy en desacuerdo.
@WurmZ420
@WurmZ420 8 ай бұрын
Im gonna say it. Reaper king *companion* Umori. Its all artifacts, deck puts out crazy boreds AND often has good interactions alot of the "bad" scarecrows actually find tons of love in the deck especially if there 2 mana or less. Filter scarecrows fix your mana and help you cast your commander. Its not about scarecrows inherently being bad its about your ability to play and weave ideas together.
@ChrisMortJr.
@ChrisMortJr. 8 ай бұрын
Might some of those -1/-1s scarecrows in my massacre girl known killer deck, might be neat
@CaptBackwards
@CaptBackwards 8 ай бұрын
Reaper King + Shakashima of thousand faces + rites of replication being kicked
@Meanlucario
@Meanlucario 8 ай бұрын
I feel like the smaller ones having a ability like "Spend one mana of any color except colorless: This creature becomes that color until the start of your next turn" to at least make the non-kingly ones work decently.
@TheKillerman3333
@TheKillerman3333 3 ай бұрын
How to fix scarecrows. Release Reaper Queen. Then you can go a chess theme with the scarecrows. Scarecrow knight (white). Scarecrow rook(green), scarecrow pawn (red). scarecrow bishop (blue). Each one can let you choose a color, beside its base color to be. This would be like the thriving lands. Knight would have a lot of stats for a low cost. It would only be able to attack if you have another artifact creature. It would have vigilance. Scarecrow pawn would have haste and low stats. Scarecrow bishop would let you draw cards up to the number of other scarecrows you control. Scarecrow rook can buff your scarecrows power and toughness. Scarecrow queen can either mill or nake your opponent discard a card by sacrifing a scarecrow
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