SCARIEST Parts of the Mormon Temple Ceremony

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

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[@vinster9165]

Has uncle Adolph been zombie baptized in the sacred Mormon temple? If so how many times?

[@aaronibarra137]

@@georgemccartney5428 This is trash man! Find something productive to do. Something that has resources that supports your point of view.

[@ariannesmum]

I tried but the page got stuck ...???

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@ThatLDSGuy]

It is literally in my will the LDS Church is forbidden to baptize me for the dead. My attorneys will sue if they even mention my name.

[@garymarshstein8992]

It drives me bonkers the TSCC has the innate arrogance to think baptizing dead people isn't egregiously inappropriate. Zelph does a great job of highlighting the ignorance of boundaries within the religion and how it filters down to family and personal codependence.

[@ThatLDSGuy]

@@garymarshstein8992 totally agree. I was a member and resigned. Had my name removed from the membership records and I just know at some point they will try to baptize me when I'm dead. Whatever my spirituality is when I've died should be left alone and not altered.

[@mothermovementa]

Init

[@garymarshstein8992]

@@ThatLDSGuy Good for you, man. I have so much respect for anyone who has found their way out. I'm a nevermo with mormon family, but I watch this kind of stuff for my own personal inspiration.

[@apostatelizzy6836]

How would anyone know if they didn’t respect your wishes? I mean, they could conceivably just do it and keep the records to themselves. Don’t get me wrong, that would be totally deplorable and contemptible, but plausible 🤷‍♀️ Hopefully they would have respect for someone’s wishes, but this *is* the church we’re talking about...

[@pegrad5829]

I went through the temple the first time in 1978. All the weird stuff was still going on. I was totally freaked out but my wedding was in 6 days... I couldn’t get out of it!! My sister-in-law was sitting next to me smiling at me. I was 20 years old and no one had prepared me for this! I left the Church after escaping that marriage that was abusive in sooo many ways. I later returned...I have NO idea what I was thinking! Maybe I was missing that sense of community and belonging. I went through the temple again and I was shocked that things had changed so much! I thought maybe I had imagined it! Did I remember things wrong? I couldn’t ask anyone about it because they were so weird about answering any questions outside of temple walls! It became the thing that eventually led me to leave for good. Truth doesn’t change. I am so glad that I am free of the madness.

[@davidbroadhead6814]

I feel bad..

[@MrPonytron]

Good for you! The temple ordinance stuff weirded me out so much.

[@s.a3099]

The hardest part of leaving is for sure the loss of community and belonging. I’m still hanging around just not fully leaving, but not really active because I have no idea what I’ll do if I leave :/

[@82566]

Sexual harassment probably had a hand in those changes lol a little too much touchy Feely akward

[@protruth1]

God bless you, so happy to hear you got out

[@AenonEMoss]

First time in Temple, I heard the recording: "If anyone here today is not willing or able to abide by the covenants they will be taking out of the Temple today, you may leave now". I remembering thinkin: "What covenants????" Because, they don't tell you what the covenants are until 10 minutes before the final ceremony is OVER!!!

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@EatYertle]

When I did baptisms, they told us to wear white underwear and bras. However, they still made a point to tell us to not bend over, with our backs to the priesthood leaders, when we squeegee the excess water from our jumpsuits. It was weird how often I was told not to dress or move a certain way because grown adult men, even spiritual leaders and male relatives, might see my exposed body. Definitely added to the shame I felt about my body ***existing***

[@thepeadair]

That's an immature, self-centred attitude. It's all about being modest and chaste and nothing to do with your insecurities.

[@CJ-oc2ff]

@thepeadair I assume your comment is a joke but the point she was making is that the modesty rules helped fuel the insecurity.

[@DancingQueenie]

Sounds like a celestial wet t-shirt contest. 😏

[@badmiddens]

@@thepeadair have more kool-aid... yum yum.

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@Ennbra]

My ENTIRE family attended my endowment session and my grandma made me go up to the prayer circle and I sobbed the whole time with the veil over my face and basically sobbed silently through the whole session because I was not prepared at all (“sacred not secret”🙄) took me a long time to go back again, so traumatic

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

I'm so sorry. They do not give informed consent. They want to see how much you will take and they'll break your boundaries. It's another way for them to know how far they can go with you. Abusive partners so the same thing.

[@nsifonte]

Same thing happened to me. It took me 2 years to give it another try and still felt so out of place. And then, everybody is so thrilled and talking about how amazing and spiritual it is and I was like 😳. Never felt right.

[@82566]

Iam so very sorry you had to go through that 😢

[@susannebyrd4019]

This has nothing to do with this video, but I got my first tattoo today to commemorate leaving Mormonism😁😁

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Awesome! I love tattoos. Such a great way to express yourself.

[@autumn7809]

❤️

[@tedgarrison8842]

What was your tattoo? Mine is C3PO as the angel Moroni

[@MrTbk3]

Did you get a white salamander, perchance?

[@susannebyrd4019]

@@MrTbk3 no, but that's actually a duper cool idea! mine is a swan

[@emilyjohnston7862]

knowing that my extremely shy, anxious mormon mother said those insane oaths in the temple is so weird to me hahaha. she was the type of mormon mom who wouldn't let us wear "scary" Halloween costumes or watch violent movies, and yet she made an oath about her tongue getting ripped out by its roots lmao

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Really good point haha

[@jayanderson147]

holy shit you're right, my mom is like this too... we weren't allowed to watch the sixth and seventh harry potter movies cause they were too scary...

[@ColoradoBornRaised]

So, you don’t only have to pay 10% of your earnings to the Mormon church but you also have to buy your underwear from the church? They profit from your underwear purchase? Now that is creepy!!!!

[@bobbymcculloch2451]

Creepy. Religion.

[@LittleMissLion]

I just love how informed consent just doesn't exist in there.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Exactly!

[@FirstNameBunchANumbers]

But weirdly if you die and someone gets baptized for you, you have to consent in the afterlife, so that means I might get to close the door on a Mormon one more time post mortem 🙏

[@oboequeen22]

“Will you give up ghost caffeine” SENT ME

[@Noxlion28]

I liked Sam’s little rant about choice at the end of the video. One of the craziest ironies in the church is that it preaches agency, that men are free to choose, but the organization does everything in its power to take agency away from you.

[@emilyhenderson13]

Someone finally verbalized the jumpsuit anxiety!

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@mylesmarkson1686 what's your problem? That is ab insensitive comment to make.

[@hannahlabit4258]

@@mylesmarkson1686 it was a predatory and gross joke. You're the one with a problem.

[@hannahlabit4258]

@@mylesmarkson1686 I don't need it explained to me I understand it but it doesn't make it any less of predatory and disgusting joke. I don't think anyone should feel safe with you if that is where your mind goes when women are in vulnerable situations.

[@82566]

Ughhh their gross and feel scratchy like old polyester ...I can't even look at them anymore its so uncomfortable akward

[@mazdabazda2267]

I really didn’t like the “name” part, I feel like that’s kind of a cult tactic. They literally take away your name. I just felt really uncomfortable because my name is my name, I don’t want some random biblical name that they pulled out of a hat lol

[@1blueROSE8]

This is kinda silly, but I was actually excited for my "new name." I had this idea that it was like with Heavenly Father = Eloheim and Jesus = Jehovah, you know? My name, in heaven, must have been different from the name my parents gave me here. I was rather crushed/disillusioned when I found out that any other woman endowed that day received the same name I did. Big disappointment. Seems silly now, but at the time, it would have meant God saw me as an individual and loved me enough to let me know my secret heaven name here.

[@mazdabazda2267]

@@1blueROSE8 i know exactly what you mean 😂 Also a girl who use to bully me was named my “new name” like great lmaoooo

[@DancingQueenie]

Esther. I thought it was very special and inspired, but then during a session, a woman said she forgot her name and they called her up and whispered it to her. I thought oh wait. How would they know unless there’s an assignment system.

[@vannessawolfes3292]

@@DancingQueenie idk my new name lol but my name is Esther too :)

[@DancingQueenie]

@@vannessawolfes3292 How will they keep us all straight in the eternities? Yo, Esther! And millions of women turn around. 🤷‍♀️

[@somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704]

Anyone think that NewNameNoah has done a great deal of good in de-mystificating the Mormon Church and making it better for young people who can access the InterNet?

[@lfrancis8980]

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[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@john7133]

NewNameNoah is good dude and so is Nemo the Mormon

[@protruth1]

baptizing for the dead is what is one of many absolutely shockingly ridiculous anti-biblical unbiblical acts of Mormonism.

[@DancingQueenie]

The basic claim that it’s the restoration of Jesus’ original church? He didn’t establish a “church” and he certainly didn’t build multimillion dollar great a spacious buildings for baptizing dead people or making people swear to donate all their resources to the corporation.

[@protruth1]

@@DancingQueenie amen, the word church doesnt have anything even to do with buildings or denominations, the word church specifically refers to ALL that have are reconciled to God by the precious powerful blood of Jesus. It is sad that there are so many people that would trade a relationship with God for religion.

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@sad_doggo2504]

I could go for a B slasher where some Mormon teens take that "avenging the blood of the prophet" stuff seriously And then it's up to a ragtag bunch of misfits to stop them that sounds pretty metal

[@fpkwck]

I f you would stop trying to get laughs you would be understood that you have some truth to share and that is not joke.

[@astridquarry1248]

I would watch the hell outta that!

[@jaredcrane3845]

Lol I would watch and re-watch that

[@ashleyterhune9320]

My parents always made the endowments ceremony so beautiful and that they couldn't talk about what went on. I had no idea it was this messed up. I feel so bad for my mom because she is a very reserved woman when it comes to her body for various reasons, so it makes my blood boil that a creepy old man touched her like that.

[@luddlowvertakaclydecowley5905]

Have y'all heard the yarn about the movie projector in the temple not working, so a temple worker would announce "Whoever is unworthy to be in the temple here, please leave", and someone would leave and the projector starts working?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

a classic ✨

[@azukib2230]

Wtf that’s so messed up

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

🤦

[@georgemccartney5428]

Here you are two more stories for Halloween; the death of tha real paul McCartney in 1966, and the subliminal images hidden in Watchtower publications: themormonviewaboutpaulmccartneydeath.blogspot.com/

[@DancingQueenie]

Then the three nephites AV team showed up and rewired the room. We live in an age of miracles, being the last days and all. 🙄

[@annetteslife]

I feel for those girls who have to wear those white jumpsuit and Auntie Flow shows up with a monthly accident

[@ashleygibson2342]

Dude that happened to me the second time I ever did baptisms. I think I was like twelve or thirteen. After the dunk pool they have you rinse off in a little shower. Well I’m rinsing and I look down and immediately see blood on my leg. The lady working there actually yelled at me!

[@annetteslife]

@@ashleygibson2342 I am so sorry that happened to you. I feel for you and all of the others. That was awful for them to criticize you for something you have no control over.

[@ashleygibson2342]

@@annetteslife Thank you!

[@annetteslife]

@@ashleygibson2342 you are welcome. I have been through that in school and on the job and it is embarrassing and no fun

[@abbyjacobson7387]

dude i got my first ever period in the temple, i felt so bad for staining gods holy jumpsuit or something

[@Richard.Atkinson]

"You never know when you're going to get one of the more see-through jumpsuits" - and you also never know when the baptizer will be one of those old pervy men who weirdly always comment in Sunday School about polygamy coming back someday.

[@82566]

Lmao 100% 🤣

[@jeaninecookson167]

Polygamy never left lots of followers

[@ShyShy0]

Back in seminary again unfortunately. Reading the comments keeps me sane :) love you guys 🥺💕 I’m going through a lot right now with my parents forbidding me to do a social justice unit in English. My english teacher has been super supporting and loving towards me and been helping me get through it. There’s more to it, but it’s pretty long. Thank you guys for giving me just one more safe space for my ideas to form 💕

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Ahhh so sorry you’re dealing with that! 💜💜💜

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@stevenpictures1]

@@tracytomlinson2888 I don’t understand what you mean by BS unless you are willing to get into details.

[@crystalstubbs234]

Another funny thing is the Temple Prep Class. I thought we'd learn about the temple, but they just regurgitate the same shit. My first temple experience was horrifying to me.

[@taramama6658]

Exactly!! My first experience was my last! It made me wonder just what kind of church I belonged to.

[@Xiongmao12]

@@taramama6658 It was my last too. They literally had to stop the ceremony so that I could go throw up. Of course I was escorted into the bathroom as well.

[@camillekartchner]

It was so frustrating taking temple prep and just hearing over and over how wonderful the temple was and not learning a single thing about it. I learned more about the ceremony and covenants elsewhere but my first experience was still my last. No amount of preparing actually prepared me for how traumatic it was.

[@AaronNickolas7]

I freaking love this channel! I am a victim of ecclesiastical abuse and I only just recently within the last 7 months left the church. I am so grateful someone is bold enough to actually talk about the temple ceremonies and the discomfort that comes with doing baptisms and what not. Uninformed consent, the brainwashing that is growing up in the church. I just love watching these videos!!

[@davidbroadhead6814]

That is the truth.

[@AaronNickolas7]

Uninformed consent... something my mom and I were talking about just the other day.

[@madisonelder3312]

Part of me wishes they hadn’t watered down and gotten rid of so many of the insane temple rituals because my temple experience was so underwhelming. Afterwards I was like “... Is that it? How was that special?“ It was lame haha!

[@RikkiNokia]

It makes me laugh the church always puts ads on videos like these 😂

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

Clothing with strange markings, "bakers' hats," veils, approns, semi nudity, annointings, and people changing colour from black.... to white and delightsome. No, it's not mormonism, but the very weird video to the 80's pop classic, "Fade To Grey."

[@mazdabazda2267]

Speaking of scary cult rituals you two should do a video on the bohemian grove...I just found out about it a few days ago and I am just...

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

wildford woodruff was a guest of honor at the bohemian grove like a night or two before dying of mysterious causes...

[@mazdabazda2267]

@@ZelphOntheShelf that’s what I read! Curious...

[@prettylights482]

Noor Jasmine has a great video on this, hidden cam footage and all. I believe it's called "conspiracies that came true"

[@mazdabazda2267]

@@prettylights482 good to know I will check it out! Thank you :)

[@mizotter]

Please listen to Jon Ronson's account of the Bohemian Grove event, which he attended WITH Alex Jones, where he debunks Jones's hyperbolic ravings about the evening. Alex Jones is NOT a reliable source of info; Jon Ronson is a well-respected journalist, on the other hand. Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmabg6CIps6DnbM

[@angeldream1]

Religion is so toxic most of the time. Goddd. Yesterday I went by my parents (church of Christ) to borrow pliers so I could get the seats back in my car for the kayak and my mom told me one of my cousins became atheist, he’s the first to officially come forward as one. And she says “our only hope is that something tragic happens in his life to bring him back” what a warped thing to say! So I said what if my kids become atheists will you hope that too? And I said what about me? Just wow. I left the cofc almost 3 years ago. I’m in love with the fall outfits and spooky themes of the videos. Who could have thought Mormonism could be so perfect for this season! There should be a spooky Mormon temple haunted house where they do scary stuff inside! Omg wait they already did it’s already like that apparently. I had no idea it was that frightful. The poncho and lack of underwear and low calm voice. I’m so so sorry you two had to experience that stuff thank you so much for telling us about it!!!!!!!

[@raet9974]

I really struggled with the sexism in the temple. I had people tell me “well you agreed to this. You chose to make these covenants.” I had no idea what I was getting into! I was already inactive by the time the church supposedly got rid of all the sexism in 2019. I struggled for years with those covenants and I was dismissed and gaslighted. All of sudden, the church changes everything with no explanation and I was expected to celebrate and come back.

[@misscleo378]

They hired a better marketing firm.

[@ranicalerp7765]

Thank you for mentioning the see-through jumpsuit thing!!! That always made me so, incredibly uncomfortable.

[@noahhonstein1236]

You guys should make a podcast! I love hearing about your experiences, especially Tanner’s mission stories! I served in Brazil and it is hilarious to see the similarities. Keep up the awesome work guys!

[@pinkbunny6272]

How did you survive the heat? I live in the State he went of Mission and I'd hate to wear those clothes out of a corporate office in mid day... How did you feel about the irony of talking God on people in a precarious situation? How did the looser feel of life here felt for you? I'm curious...

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@bellaninaslg1354]

Something my mom always told me growing up about the temple, is that it was weird, but it was so special that the weirdness wore off. And even my young womens leaders would tell me it was weird. But worth it. HOWEVER, I got out at 18, so I never witnessed it myself 😂

[@82566]

My mom wouldn't even Crack open that temple suitcase if kids were around and she sure the heck wouldn't tell me anything that happened there or we'd risk making Jesus sad ....uhhmmm ok Mom 😉🙄🤣God bless er little heart

[@josenavarro5320]

Don't worry, you don't miss anything special except the video about the creation of the earth. Michael, Jesus and God, it is all weird but the Celestial room is just quite nice. Other than that, is just quite awkward when putting clothes and doing weird rituals from the other side of the "veil"

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@stevielm]

I went through at 26, not getting married or mission. It was the last test for me to see if I believed it. I had decided to give it my all and do anything I could to get the confirmation I desperately wanted my whole life. By the time I was in the Celestial Room I knew I was done and it wasn't true. I think I knew all along but having gone to BYU, been a relief society president, been the good daughter, etc. it was so hard. But the moment I found out I covenanted to a husband I didn't even have I was done. I asked my mom in the Celestial Room why it was like that and she told me it didn't real mean that. But I said it, I covenanted those words, alleged words from God, so how didn't it mean that? I cried, she thought it was happiness. It wasn't. It was the devistation of realizing 26 years of obidence and so many prayers didn't change the answer I always got when I sought it- that it wasn't true. Nearly 10 years later and things are way better. It's been utter Hell, but I've met my husband, am amazing atheist who is so giving and kind without the threat of godly revenge. It was worth it to leave, but it was hard. Still is sometimes. Don't talk to my parents about it, not worth it. When I finally married my dad said to my husband that I was his responsibility then and he stopped harrasing me.

[@taramama6658]

My dad was the same way. He harassed me about church until I married my husband and then he stopped. Crazy how that works.

[@philw4025]

"What's in Illinois? Chicago?" I think I just heard all my friends from Illinois scream with outrage, before looking downcast immediately after and having to admit that yes, that's about it. Another great video!

[@christie8493]

Oh yeah! I forgot they used to tell us whatever vices we had in this life we’d still have in the spirit world. Like we’d still be addicted to substances, p0rn, etc. Lmao

[@AenonEMoss]

Joseph Smith said "Mormon" means "More Good" from the French "Mon" which means good (actually, in French, "bon" mean "good" and "mon" means "my" or "mine"), and in ancient Egyptian "Mor" dies NOT mean "More" like in English. I'm embarrassed to have believed Joe was a Prophet? How could I have been that stupid?

[@nsifonte]

When I was endowed, I was told to only wear panties when I had my period but to make sure the color was not red or black because those colors were tied to impure thoughts and behaviors. My thoughts right then “This is mental! I’m making sure all my underwear is either black or red.” Why didn’t I follow my intuition from the very beginning? Ugh. Then again, all the years I was a member, I was quite rebellious. Never became the submissive, sweet and darling person they expect all the women to be.

[@larryrouse6322]

You got through that whole video without saying Halloweeney once! Nice job! I was a Catholic, and I always thought that the Ash Wednesday ceremony where they drew crosses on our foreheads with the ashes of burned palm fronds was a little weird. During the Easter Vigil, there was a ceremony where the priest picked 12 parishioners and washed their feet, which was weirder still. That all pales compared to what you describe in this video. It makes me wonder how any religion can think their beliefs are any less ridiculous than the beliefs of any other religion.

[@ashleygibson2342]

I was told that we couldn’t wear a bra or underwear. I’m from Tucson and did baptisms in the Mesa temple. They always gave us two jumpsuits to double up so they didn’t show through.

[@evelune]

Yep, the jumpsuits are.....................scarring

[@vannessawolfes3292]

At the temple closest to me anyways the fabric is thicker, and you can just wear your regular under wear so long as its not like black lol. maybe its different in other places.

[@evelune]

@@vannessawolfes3292 At my local temple the jumpsuits + underwear are issued to you when you get in the door. A friend of mine tried to wear her own and they literally kicked her out of the temple. Glad it was better for you though!

[@vannessawolfes3292]

@@evelune FR dang now im wondering if im supposed to-

[@evelune]

@@vannessawolfes3292 lol its ok

[@lukev483]

The penalties were actually removed in April of 1990 not 2005. The naked touching was removed in 2005.

[@laporziuncula]

Penalties for what?

[@Britbec]

@@laporziuncula sharing the 'sacred' covenants made in the temple. You had to symbolically promise to cut your own throat. During Brigham Young's time, there were instances of members breaking covenants and actually having their throats slit.

[@cc-sb1is]

That's exactly what they said.

[@katiepearlgirl]

I wasn't told that you could use anything than what the temple provides.... so your description matches my experience too haha. And I couldn't get to the woman with the towel fast enough.

[@julianhermanubis6800]

Horde of zombie Mormons breaking down the front doors of the Temple in 3...2...1.

[@christie8493]

But only after their zombie husbands call their temple names so they can be risen as well lol

[@sophiamayaK9]

Living in Utah for a few years now I am confused about the Mormon fixation on Hallo’s Eve and spending time and money on witch costumes for the Witch Parade. Watching this video it makes sense now. They’re fixed on StarWars too 😂👍🏼

[@01inarow]

The years we lived there I couldn’t BELIEVE the Halloween obsession either!!

[@judeandjoey4433]

My brother was a nighttime security guard for a Mormon temple for a little over a year in the past. I should state we are not Mormons. But, he will still say to this day it is the most haunted place he has ever been in. Voices throughout the night, doors opening and closing on their own, footsteps running everywhere, etc. He said there were some nights that got so bad he couldn’t sit inside.

[@tdubs5128]

If you aren't mormons then what are you?

[@robyndeddens6658]

Oh I totally believe the Temples could be haunted. I mean think about baptism for the dead and calling up their sprints. I am sure they are harmless but still....

[@tdubs5128]

@@robyndeddens6658 Lds temples are of the devil. Stay away

[@lindachampion4171]

I took out my endowment in October of 1980, when all the death threats were still a part of it. "I covenant that I will never reveal the (1st, 2nd,3rd, etc) token of the Aaronic/Melchizedek Priesthood, together with its sign, name, and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer [make the pantomime of the means is violent death] my life to be taken." That was creepy enough, but by that point the good Mormon woman was skilled at the mental gymnastics required to make it seem like the right thing to do. But what totally made me want to run out of the whole damned thing was the "True Order of,Prayer" with its chanting and gesturing together in a circle. Holy shit, talk about cult!!! Later, as I lost my testimony and did a marathon week of endowments to try to regain it, I almost started giggling out loud at the images the chant of "pay, lay, ail" was bringing to my mind: Prostitution and STDs. "If you PAY for a LAY, you might AIL from a STD." Wow, how very uplifting and enriching the temple ceremony is!

[@cutthroatpixie]

I did baptism for the dead once right after I turned 12 and it creeped me out so much i never stepped foot in a temple again. having my bits totally visible through the white jumpers certainly did not help at all with the creeped out factor

[@vannessawolfes3292]

really? the jump suit things where I usually go are thicker so you cant see, and you wear white stuff under. Thats just me tho, i see why your creeped out tho.

[@cutthroatpixie]

@@vannessawolfes3292 this was like 18 years ago to be fair. there was white underwear for underneath but that was also extremely see through and didn't help anything

[@vannessawolfes3292]

@@cutthroatpixie oh, gotcha.

[@katrinatipple5992]

What really are you sure I am a convert to the religion I am 38 years old

[@cutthroatpixie]

@@katrinatipple5992 i am sure about what i personally experienced yes lol. i'm sure the exact clothing worn differs from temple to temple and such so if you never experienced that lucky you :)

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

In Catholic baptism the water is poured on the person's head.

[@maggiepowell7696]

I will haunt anyone who tries to re baptise me when I die.

[@kenolson3064]

You guys aren't old enough to remember penalties. I promise never to reveal... rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken". How will your life be taken you might ask? By cutting your throat, your heart, or disembowelment. Yeah, it was really weird. I'm really glad God changed his mind on that one... 😵

[@1blueROSE8]

Tanner talked about not grasping the gravity of the decision to go on a mission; I totally feel you there. For me, it was the choice to have children. I love my kids to death, but my husband and I both have depression, he's ASD and I'm ADHD. This makes it just so much harder for us to be good parents to our kids. But I believed I had an innate gift as a woman for nurturing children, and that being a mother would be very hard, but so fulfilling. Spoiler alert: it wasn't. For me, I just don't enjoy taking care of young children. I don't think I ever will. Just so no one worries, I take my role as a parent seriously, as does my husband. My anger is and will always be at the church, never at my children. They could be the ultimate victims in this story, but my husband and I are doing all we can to keep that from happening. My kids will never have worthiness interviews, my daughter will never be taught her body is a temple/temptation, they won't be baptized unless they choose that as adults. And good luck on that ever happening, because I'm going to educate them about Mormonism when they are teenagers. If they ever join, they will actually be doing so with informed consent, something my husband, myself, our siblings, and our parents never had. I know it breaks my mother's heart, them not being baptized. To her, that is a terrible, sad thing. But I know it's actually a huge protection and I could do no less in good conscience. Thank you both for your channel! You were part of my journey out of Mormonism and then out of Christianity. I am so much happier and healthier and alive now! Thank you for your content and your bravery.

[@georgemccartney5428]

Here you are two more stories for Halloween; the death of tha real paul McCartney in 1966, and the subliminal images hidden in Watchtower publications: themormonviewaboutpaulmccartneydeath.blogspot.com/

[@bessmcneill971]

Love your channel! Im an exjw and relate to a lot of LDS’s cult characteristics. I met a few missionaries here in Rome once and couldn’t help but gush about how much happier I am being away from a high control group. I told him I was a big fan of the exmo Reddit. He was super sweet and nice!

[@mikes-bmedic5484]

I was a convert. Baptised my own young daughters and I had received the calling to be the second counsellor to the Elders Quorum. I was happy as a pig in mud until we were having a referendum (vote) in making it legal for same sex couples to marry. Our Bishop who I admired sent out an email to all the members dictating to us how to vote in this referendum. That was an immediate deal breaker as I see voting as a constitutional right and obligation. It’s a very personal matter that no body has the right to tell another how to vote. Unlike the US in my jurisdiction voting is compulsory. My vote my way and my how!!!

[@miguelthealpaca8971]

Yeah, I had a friend at church show me some kind of letter about same sex marriage becoming legal and he said that we should vote against it as we would be forced to perform gay weddings in the temple.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

That was my breaking point too. That and the damn mall.

[@miguelthealpaca8971]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet That damn mall! *shakes fist furiously*

[@mikes-bmedic5484]

@@miguelthealpaca8971 that was one of the lies made by the anti-gay marriage lobbyist. I was amazed at the amount of money (Australia) spent on trying to stop the gay marriage legislation getting passed. It could have helped feed the hungry and house some of the homeless.

[@miguelthealpaca8971]

@@mikes-bmedic5484 the law around here specifically states that religious leaders are not required to marry gay couples. I didn't see why they would be anyway because it's not like they're offering marriages to the public. No gay couple is gonna go into a temple and demand that they marry them! Lol

[@tammydisco]

It became “earth shall atone for the blood of that man” If I recall correctly! Thank you for this spooky video! Happy to only get dunked in the font a couple times growing up instead of every month like other people in my ward I remember feeling so guilty for peeing in the font bahaha 🤣

[@michaeltaylors2456]

U r awesome, and yes, u do recall correctly. Even in my TBM days that verse was a little discordant

[@jayanderson147]

you were inspired to pee in the font

[@charleswolfe6849]

I hate to see the temple

[@FreckledGemini]

You didn’t. 😂

[@toddmiller5656]

🎵I hate to see the temple,🎵 🎵I've been in there before!🎵 🎵I found the whole Endowment 🎵 🎵To be a silly bore!🎵 🎵No, the temple's not the house of God!🎵 🎵Where you can know the Father!🎵 🎵It's a bunch of made up rituals🎵 🎵so whyyyyyy even bother?🎵

[@mbrownie22]

Think it’s scary now, I went through in 1980 and it was friggen bizarre

[@mazdabazda2267]

Oh my, I would love to hear your experience. I went through in 2017 and it was bizarre but a lot of the “extra culty” aspects had been removed by that point.

[@vinster9165]

Tell us what happened in detail?

[@tedgarrison8842]

What happened is we use to take an oath to kill ourselves if we revealed what happened in the temple. We would then pretend to slit our throat and disembowel ourselves with a sword....

[@charlimartin8709]

So a thought I had: The initiation, as it currently exists, is the ONLY ordinance/blessing I know of where * women* get to officiate/offer that blessing. I never went through the temple (thank goodness) but it kinda makes me sad that the one time women get to offer a blessing is in this creepy context

[@deadinside3028]

I really enjoy your videos as an atheist who grew up surrouded by the church with people trying to convert me my whole life in Utah. Woo 😂

[@saalvosegg8171]

Baptism for the dead sounds like an episode from The X-Files. Tell me does that not sound like an episode of The X-Files?

[@enmajw]

I went to the temple in 2003 and they were already removed they were removed back in 1990 after the church submitted a survey cause members were not attending to the temple.

[@susanmillhorn4677]

I went through the temple classes and I went to my bishop. I missed 1 question is tiding .I don't have a job and my husband on ssi.can stills get a recommend?

[@jessasmith2349]

This video is so healing for me. I have been binging your entire channel. I love it so much. You guys are showing me that it is possible to experience true joy, to maintain spirituality, and to embrace myself for who I am - all outside of the church. I love you guys. ... also the prayer circle... that was a huge culty red flag for me.

[@stevenlavery9581]

I was raised in a fundamentalist mormon group and they have their own temple that they supposedly do all the things talked about in this video. I am so glad that I left before going through.

[@yagnnachacon]

I remember the first time I felt so special about the name this lady with terrible breath gave me, I was 20 and I was gonna get married and sealed of course, I didn’t understand a thing. So I went every Wednesday from 7am to 12 pm and did the same thing over and over trying to understand any logic of the things I was doing. I never understood and I felt not only stupid but not worthy. Anyway, I’m saying all this because later I realized they give the same name if you go the same day. So the name of the day is this one and all woman are gonna keep it secret and repeat it in their minds when it’s asked. I think I “physically” left 4-5 years but mentally or “spiritually” left longer ago. My parents are active and I don’t judge them of course; I love them, but I remember once my dad asked me: was it that terrible what they did to you? Wondering why I left... I didn’t answer because I felt guilty. I wish I could have the same conversation now but I guess they just don’t ask me about it because they respect my decision.

[@acronen]

The under the pancho touching part (annointing) creeped me out so bad, I didn't even remember the rest of the entire ceremony after (except for vaguely the Adam and Eve movie.) During later visits, the prayer circle made me feel like I was a witch in the woods casting a spell with a coven... just dressed more ridiculous, like was about to bake some pastries.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

Yeah, I'd like to know how many of the annointers enjoyed their job a little too much.

[@acronen]

@@mylesmarkson1686 To be fair to the old dude that was doing mine, I don't think he enjoyed it or even acknowledged my existence really. He was pretty much just going through the motions.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

You just reminded me to get some black candles for Halloween. It's a full moon on Halloween this year on a Saturday! Perfect for hexing 😆😆👌

[@acronen]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Sounds like a lot more fun than standing in a circle with people dressed like bakers and veiled handmaids, chanting a monotone plea to their polygamist father deity to perform some vague tasks.

[@mariawollin6300]

Yeah, this really highlights the difference between Mormonism and real Christianity. And between cults and legit religions more broadly. When I wanted to get baptized, I talked to my pastor and he made very sure I knew what it meant and what I was committing to. We talked about the whole thing ahead of time, what I would say, what he would say, what my options were for what to wear (I wore a swimsuit with some regular clothes over it). Just as importantly, it ain't no secret. I have a video and I can show whoever I want. Full disclosure, true voluntary choice.

[@Aelffwynn]

@Rodger Moffett I agree Christianity isn't great, but do you really think being mean to Christians online is going to convince anyone or promote any truths? I'm an atheist and I'd rather have a world full of kind people who call themselves Christian than a world full of unkind people who don't bear that label. (Of course, many Christians don't act with kindness or selflessness, and the bible itself doesn't often promote kindness or understanding. But people mostly cherrypick the bible anyway, and if they cherrypick the nice parts, frankly I'm fine with that.)

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@Aelffwynn how was this person "mean"?

[@marialegare3954]

@Rodger Moffett Hahaha ok galaxy brain, I bow to your superior intellect. All I was saying is that you can tell that a religious group is unhealthy if they do things like hide their real beliefs and practices from the public, pressure or coerce people into commitments and acts of faith, or force people into situations they can't get out of once in. Me saying "real Christianity" doesn't even assert that what I believe is true (though obviously I do), just that my beliefs fall in line with an established system of theology and practice, that they are based on an honest interpretation of scripture, etc, as opposed to being a wacky corrupted version like Mormonism.

[@LizzieWoolley]

Initiatories aren't done in a shield and garments anymore. Now, they are done in white normal temple clothes.

[@clarkb5137]

the ending of midsommer captures the feeling of an endowment session pretty wel, just the way they take you from one thing to the next and you have no idea whats happening

[@kourt2469]

I literally was stressing big time that I was going to have to get naked for the washing and annointing and i'm a male, I can't imagine what a female would have been thinking.

[@Nepthu]

I nearly joined until I learned about the temple. The church claims to be the original form of Christianity, but the early Christians did not build temples. My friends keep telling me the "milk before meat" philosophy to address my concerns. They think it's bunk that I wouldn't join after learning about the temple.

[@braidedgoatee]

Growing up I was in denial about the lack of sense because I didn't want to believe everyone I knew could be so wrong. How was I to know better when even my country acted like a cult with pledge of allegiance indoctrination. I personally would love religion to be treated like drinking or smoking where there is at least a recommended age before you try.

[@CarlJokl-JoklTechnologies]

It feels like they cover their asses legally by providing the opportunity to withdraw knowing most people will go along with it because they are too scared to withdraw even if they feel concerned about the covenants. Especially because you are not warned in advance to know what the commitments were going to be. So suddenly you are totally on the spot forced to decide. It must take a strong person to just walk out.

[@DahliaLegacy]

I remember the wake-up that I had as I was being confirmed Catholic... in the middle of the ceremony. I remember so vividly the wax from the candle and how it burned me, then my brain was all... WTF am I doing? None of any of this makes sense to me... But like my family was there, it was this big thing so I just bowed my head and went through it. I think to me that was my awakening to figuring things out for myself and realizing that my path isn't Christian. I can't imagine what Mormons go through, we really should stop indoctrinating our kids. I get having them educated on religion, but it should be all religions. That way people can make informed choices on what is right for them.

[@bethr8756]

Well the thing is neither Catholicism or Mormonism is Christian They are both man made religious systems.

[@sarinlois]

I definitely feel so gross about the number of baptisms for the dead that i did.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Same. And to my own family. 🤦

[@jayburris6252]

I was naked during my initiation. I was so uncomfortable but told myself I was being stupid.

[@elsavalerie2856]

If Mormons believe they all become gods, why do they only believe in one god?

[@AenonEMoss]

My favorite is the one with two sister missionaries taking a shower together because they're in Bolivia and there is only a few minutes of hot water every day!

[@mistakesmisfits]

Thank you guys, you're helping me cope with my own religious childhood. I wasn't in a cult like you, but Roman Catholics have their own crazy shit. Before I left, I joined the catholic youth organization, and they made us had reunions on the temple's most strage and secret places, like the one that had some old priests corpses like a funerary vault or something. It was like having reunions for talking about God in a cementery.

[@samuelpacker5466]

Here you are two more stories for Halloween; the death of tha real paul McCartney in 1966, and the subliminal images hidden in Watchtower publications: themormonviewaboutpaulmccartneydeath.blogspot.com/

[@dustymiller8284]

Let's take this one step further. Setting aside the wacko hand signals, new names, and recitations needed "to enter into the presence of the 'Lord' ", the temple is suppose to be deep, where many truths are revealed and learned. I would constantly hear "you always learn something new in the temple." Well, I attended for over 50 years. I am a highly educated professional with multiple degrees, and I'm here to tell you that's bull shit. I took the ceremony apart bit by bit in an effort to discover the new truths taught there and finally recognized that the people who got the most out of the ceremoney were those who fell asleep. How could I have been such a gullible fool?

[@5avan10]

"Earth will atone for the blood of that man" is what the song said last I sang it roughly 15 years ago.

[@kkheflin3]

Really good for Halloween. I always thought the temple was creepy no matter how many times I went. What do you make of these teenagers who claim they see the ghost of some Native American woman or their grandmother or second cousin who "appear" to them when doing baptisms for the dead? I can't figure that one out.

[@worldwideroach]

Is there any documentation available about pre-1978 black satan in the temple endowment?

[@afwalker1921]

The first hand gesture demonstrated at 12:29 is very, very old amongst magical adepts and can be found in the "Semma" ritual of the Whirling Dervishes of Rumi's Sufi school in Konya, Turkey. Each of those who "turn semma" begins by turning the right hand to the ground and the left hand to the sky for the exact energetic reasons described. The participant is dressed in a particular costume in which the tall hat represents a tombstone and the long white skirt the dancer's burial shroud. The most interesting part is that as the dancers do their turning, the image presented from above is one of our solar system, with the planets progessing in their orbits around the sun. I suspect this ritual dates from antiquity, having been mentioned as a practice of the metaphysical school of Pythagoras, who was a bit of a new-age Hippie. If this is true, then the Pythagoreans knew how many planets we actually have and that they orbit the Sun, not the Earth a non-local revelation possibly available through the ecstatic, egoless states available in trance. You guys are initiates of a magical tradition, but it got a little worn and moth-eaten by the time JS got to it. I also believe that the "Prophet" did not get close enough to Freemasonry to get the real sense of it, so the Mormons are just jerking off. Keep this stuff coming! You two can never know who is watching, what sinister associations they might have or what they might possibly teach you. Alaf sal fena!

[@Hbush1987]

They SAY you can refuse but if you do they’ll shun, shame , and bully you into acceptance. Even today. And even Into childhood you’re brainwashed by these primary songs that are so cringe now thinking about it!

[@BlindGuy-vs5rc]

The scariest thing about the endowment temple ceremony is the part where they don the aprons. Lucifer tells him that the apron is a symbol of his power and priesthood and then everybody puts on the apron! 10:23 10:36

[@pepperplz783]

Commenting here to help with audience engagement. I know the algorithm sucks. Plus, I got to watch a very long ad about how I need to act quickly! A mystical man in China is taking orders now to make a psychic drawing of my future soulmate. Can’t wait. 😂

[@tomweisser6203]

Having gone through my endowment ceremony in 1984, it was particularly cringey.... and in fact was my last act as a member of the church. I resigned 4 days afterward and 3 days before I was set to travel to the MTC..... I've never looked back. I can't even go into baptism for the dead, I'm of Jewish heritage and I only discovered the holocaust victim and Nazi baptisms sometime later. My endowment was at the Manti Temple and was all live participants. I wish I'd had the wherewithal to to walk out mid ceremony, of course my parents, bishop and several members from my ward were there and I just couldn't get up and leave.. I was sure nobody would take me back home to Grand Junction CO afterward.... I spilled everything after resigning, I did not, and do not believe that any action of the Church has any effect at all, now or at any point in any fictitious afterlife. The oaths and covenants, especially those involving death penalties are a fear tactic to ensure obedience and Church dominance over people. AS for nobody forcing you to participate... horseshit... the peer pressure and pressure from the top makes noncompliance all but impossible.

[@avisharkdog5345]

Where can you find the past temple ceremony scripts?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

www.ldsendowment.org

[@Third_Verse]

So leaving during the temple ceremony: I had an experience when a young STB missionary got up and left. It was pretty heartbreaking. There was like a looooong pause and the dad got up and went after him and they re-started the recording and the mom sat in the front row crying.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Whoah!

[@CarlJokl-JoklTechnologies]

The underwear never felt magical. After leaving the Church, Emporio Armani underwear really felt a lot more magical.

[@tomweisser6203]

Truth... nasty polyester, saggy, drawers.... hated them

[@CarlJokl-JoklTechnologies]

It has been a big pleasure that others perhaps don't appreciate, being able to buy really good underwear. This after having very little choice over it for many years. I will say though that a sexy person, no matter how frumpy their underwear, the sexiness will shine through it.

[@heroandflor]

When I was around 22, my bishop sat me down and is like "so you don't have a bf, you don't have a job, why don't you go on a mission?". So they burned into our brains that the temple is sooo important and sacred and you want me to go just because? that was such a red flag for me. I didn't like the idea of a mission at all and even less the idea of going to the temple, it was too serious and I was doubting so many things about the church to begin with. I'm glad I never went, except for the whole baptisms for the dead thing. You mentioned the no underwear thing, they did make us wear a onesie kind of thing that reached the knee and was the same fabric and lace as the "garments". My parents went to the temple in 1997, I was a kid and I remember finding it really weird that they couldn't tell me what they did. Later my mom talked about the initiation ceremony, how they were naked under the poncho.

[@georgemccartney5428]

Here you are two more stories for Halloween; the death of tha real paul McCartney in 1966, and the subliminal images hidden in Watchtower publications: themormonviewaboutpaulmccartneydeath.blogspot.com/

[@jerushawoodward7687]

There was a time when I was going through the temple for endowments (not my own but by proxy) and I was having some doubts of the church and when they made the little announcement of “if you are not ready to make these covenants you may now leave” and for some reason that time I panicked and since I was sitting in the back figured I could just slip out. When I stood up to leave the older gentleman in the front gestured to one of the older women who were working in the temple and she trotted over to me as I went out the back door and gently grabbed my arm and she told me that it was okay that I didn’t feel like I was ready to make those covenants but I needed to just do it anyway for the dead person I was attending for and that if I wasn’t worthy God would pardon me that time simply because the dead person needed my body for the ritual even if my spirit wasn’t worthy to be there.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Damn

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

More mental gymnastics

[@lieseljones2216]

But you totally have agency....

[@stevenpictures1]

In this video, I compare the temple endowment ceremony to the SciFi movie Arrival: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6vQZqCumrR-nbs

[@amandalunt4325]

So creepy

[@superfreakmusic7681]

Do you have a video that goes into more details about the garments? Im intrigued! (And disturbed!)

[@kristalcampbell3650]

Why my grandparents became lds in the 60s I'll NEVER know. Edit:actually it was probably the financial assistance that hooked them in only to turn around and give the church more than the initial financial help they got.

[@emilyhigley2183]

I love you guys. Thank you for this video! I started to get up when they said that line in the temple that people could leave if they want. But then I remembered that my whole family and soon to be in laws and close friends were in there and expected me to this, so I sat. I would say I wish I would've left but it's good that I saw that crazy crap was going on so now (almost ten years later and having recently left the church) I can be SURE that I'm out!

[@georgemccartney5428]

Here you are two more stories for Halloween; the death of tha real paul McCartney in 1966, and the subliminal images hidden in Watchtower publications: themormonviewaboutpaulmccartneydeath.blogspot.com/

[@mothersgauri4137]

A lot of this really does sound like it's right out of the secret masonic handbook. The oaths, secret signs, rituals.,etc. This really makes it clear where this comes from. These things come later, after one has been brainwashed enough to go through with it. So in that sense it's not really a matter of conscious choice. It's all pretty insidious when you think about it.

[@JaylukKhan]

Why even bother being Mormon if you can just be baptized after death? I'm just going to put it in my will just in case the church is right.

[@exmodeadpool]

There's a porn channel that has their own versions of Mormon life experiences, including missionary work and temple ceremonies. I honestly can't describe my reaction to what I saw. I was still active when I made that discovery. I guess it was a mix of disgust and curiosity. 😆

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Well, that's crazy! With as much as I can't stand the church, I agree with their anti-porn stance. The sex industry is directly linked with human trafficking.

[@jacobopstad5483]

With friends and family around you and your standing and upcoming mission or marriage riding on the ceremony, it's a highly coercive environment. Saying that people are free to choose to walk out of an endowment session is not true.