Mormon Afterlife Explained (A Flowchart for your Soul)

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An afterlife so complex you have to rely on a flowchart to explain it? Polygamy in heaven? A veil of forgetfulness? Getting your own planet? I cover it all and more in this episode all about the Mormon afterlife.
My research for today’s episode has also inspired me to start a band called “Sons of Perdition.” Our first album will be titled “Outer Darkness” and the hit single off the album will be “Lucifer’s Groupies.” I am searching for a drummer, bassist, and clarinet player. DM with inquiries.
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*Mormon doctrine on becoming like God: (www.churchofje...)
*Mormon doctrine on the plan of salvation, also known as the plan of happiness:
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[@juliawirch2454]

They only help if you have over $10,000 in debt. I found this out after giving out all my info of course...😒. Yay more junk mail and solicitor calls!

[@Skyhawk98]

I heard a member say her parents told her that babies cry at birth because their pre mortal body is being crushed and compressed to fit into such a small earthly vessel. Mormon lore really is wild.

[@alyssadgrenfell]

Can confirm I have also heard stories like this haha

[@desertels5119]

That's really f*cked up

[@schmidtcs]

😮

[@itsROMPERS...]

Well, it doesn't make any less sense than the rest of it.

[@shermannorton8723]

At least that explanation invalidates the Mormon stance on abortion 😂

[@aloesecretinc]

This is where multi level marketing came from.

[@kratino]

EXACTLY what I was thinking!

[@Ganondorfdude11]

Why do you think so many Mormons are involved in Herbalife and Lularoe?

[@hellmind1304]

🔥

[@PrincessDiana1220]

Omg you’re right!

[@songbird1307]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@McBelles]

As my sisters and I (5 of us) sat around our parents kitchen table we shared stories about our mother who had just passed. It was dusk and the service had been earlier that day at my mom’s ward. All 10 of us kids had left the church. There was a lull in our conversation. As we sat in quiet contemplation of the reality of the first real death in our family. Suddenly, yet with a quiet but resolute voice my sister said, “I wonder how Mom took it when she realized the church isn’t true?” We all dissolved into peals of laughter when the reality of how her world and perspective would come to that monumental moment of realization. It was probably one of the most freeing moments in my life to associate death as a pivotal realization and proof that the Mormon church was meaningless, a sham and completely untrue. It helped to heal my deconstructed heart.

[@owllover6806]

If there is a God at all he will allow my dead mom to still believe her entire life wasn’t wasted. She was a kind, sweet, educated but obviously very gullible woman who missed out on so much because she was Mormon. It breaks my heart to think she found out she was wrong after a lifetime of meaningless servitude. If God exists, mom is in a place where she made all the right decisions and she will exist there forever.

[@McBelles]

@ you’re a kind and generous spirit. I hope that for your mother. Mine however, while a devout Mormon was cruel and abusive. We needed to acknowledge our mother faced the truth in order for us to move passed it all.

[@Valentin-oc5nh]

@@owllover6806 she will be able to cope with the truth - as we all need to

[@michaelgreen1515]

I'd love to know how the polyandy fitted into that boardgame. If true could a spiteful mom dump her dumbass husband for a purer option in The Shining?

[@timriehl1500]

Continuing in the After Life to serve a man who believes he is a god sounds like another type of hell, lol.

[@amberinthemist7912]

It would be the worst sex ever. The more arrogant and full of himself he is out of bed the worse he is in bed.

[@douglasyoung927]

​@@amberinthemist7912 😂😂 I can't stop thinking about it now. I'm just imagining this guy: He's a self proclaimed * capital 'A' * architect accountant that genuinely believes he can make animals and trees better than the last god did so that his vast progeny can be tested and 20 percent of them can return with their heads held high. "Come forth, my proud and beautiful sons and share in my eternal glory.. (no homo)"

[@marjoriegarner5369]

​@@amberinthemist7912I can testify to the truth of your comment. Selfish Mormon man, selfish sex.

[@mimimaitri1]

@@amberinthemist7912I mean just look at the Heavenly Mother(s). Untold amounts of God sex, then giving birth to billions of babies. All so the babies can worship the husband.

[@AntonioTheTurtle]

And just the husband

[@brooke_reiverrose2949]

I think it’s wild that in order to prove you’re a good person you need to refrain from sex and coffee rather than, you know, help people. Have compassion.

[@star7communicator]

Exactly how I realized I was an Athiest

[@debduby7011]

Not exactly, yes we were taught to avoid coffee and sex before marriage (and so many other things), but service to our fellow "man" and helping others was also a huge part of our requirements for being a good person. 🤔 Of course, I was an East Coast Mormon, so maybe that wasn't the same for the Utah Mormons. It was definitely more a culture of Utah, not just a religious practice like back on the East Coast. 🤷‍♀️

[@oreonighthawk]

This kind of feels like that game you play as a kid where you write the first two sentences of a story, fold the paper over the first sentence, and hand it to the next person and everyone keeps adding sentences and folding but no one sees the whole story until it’s all unfolded at the end and read out and it’s completely nonsensical. I feel like this must be how this whole afterlife story was developed, just keep adding steps and layers to make it more complex until no one can even understand it enough to question it.

[@elnino8522]

That's exactly how it happened haha. As each mormon prophet passed away, and his role was taken over, the next person in his place would add/change the rules and lore to further benefit himself, and the cycle would continue. The paper is then folded over and passed along for the next person to make up more bullshit. That's why modern mormonism is less strict about polygamy, and have also softened a lot of their racist ideologies over the years. These changes were made as the new leaders became more aware of the controversies associated with the religion. If they want to expand, they have to appeal to the younger generations, and as much as they despised it, they had to make subtle changes.

[@michaelgreen1515]

Now you too can design your own Fjords!

[@ritchiemx7391]

You know, I’m beginning to think this was all just made up.

[@trishgreydanus7004]

You made me laugh out loud

[@chaldus87]

No, seems legit, like all other religions.

[@apolloskyfacer5842]

You think ?

[@Twan420]

The ONLY way to the Father is through Jesus. False prophets will lead u astray. God bless

[@anthonymonge7815]

@@Twan420you believe that with all your might. Just like Mormons believe this wild stuff. Been there. Done that. Religion is a poison.

[@miiju86]

Always astounding how far some men can take their male-supremacist fantasies - but mormonism seriously is on another level all by itself!

[@ritashustitzky4324]

Sounds like Maga.

[@elfodelputoinfierno]

​@@davidp.7620 not really. Not all religions are that into chastity in general, and some don't have a male/female behavioral dichotomy Mine for instance, doesn't. At most who wears skirts during cerimonies but even that is kinda meh, since men will also wear them on occasion The issue is more abrahamic religions, I would think. Pagans generally don't really care

[@lolkthnxbai]

Basically the Gorean culture and book series lol

[@jomc20]

This certainly proves that religions are invented by men but doesn't reject well on men if their fantasy is to have multiple wives who have no say in being used as sex objects and baby - producing zombies for all eternity!

[@TramJizzle]

Try again Petunia this is lefty 101​@@ritashustitzky4324

[@dawnvickerstaff]

My brother converted many years ago. He told me he was certain he was righteous enough to get his own planet. I asked him what he'd do with his planet. His reply sounded just like Lucifer. Everyone would obey because they had no free will. They'd all be happy and nothing bad would ever happen... except they'd have him for a god controlling even their mood!

[@headphonesaxolotl]

(meanwhile, if for some reason I was given a planet, I'd probably just make it like some of the stories I wrote)

[@Guray47]

I would like my own planet. But it would be more "sinful", with parties and sex and orgies permited.

[@murrayterry834]

not the only ones who believe this. the talmudic jews are taught this

[@Shinkajo]

Wast Lucifer all about choice and free will in "real" Christianity? Didn't he rebell because he didn't want to be a slave to God?

[@headphonesaxolotl]

@@Shinkajo he wanted to be better than God so he used the free will sand choice stuff to manipulate people

[@miknrene]

"God decided that Jesus Christ was going to be his favorite child ... and so he told Satan to go pound sand. Satan was a little butt-hurt." OMFG, I'm choking LOL here.

[@miknrene]

Describing cremation as a "Humpty Dumpty situation" LOLOLOLOL

[@yvettejones5323]

Right? I was dying of laughter lol

[@paulpinecone2464]

Look, those are the words that God instructed the profit to write down. We don't question it.

[@Squibblezombie]

@@paulpinecone2464 "profit" Sorry dude, you described their goal, not their occupation. Try again next time.

[@professorhaystacks6606]

@@Squibblezombie I assume the 'typo' was intentional.

[@Hellooo134]

One time I was in a Starbucks explaining this whole thing to my friend bc she was curious and I’m an exmo, and a random Mormon lady gave me a smile and was like “don’t worry, she’ll get it” like I’m sorry maam im actually making fun of your religion not trying to get converts

[@JusNoBS420]

What was she doing in a Starbucks I wonder?? 🤔 drinking the devil juice?

[@NoThankUBeQuiet]

​@@JusNoBS420I mean they have food I don't like the taste of coffee and I do go sometimes

[@oneplate6489]

Also hot chocolate and herbal teas, which I think Mormons are allowed to drink? (idk I get all my information from KZbin I've never actually interacted with a Mormon lol)

[@Hellooo134]

@@oneplate6489 they are, you got right. Truly do not understand the herbal tea exemption but it does exist

[@RebsApollo-n3j]

🤣🤣🤣😭🤣

[@Conflagr8]

Brando Sando's obsession with turning his novels into a multiverse makes a whole lot more sense now

[@barislovescats]

I urgently need a board game for mormon afterlife. As an atheist, this is great entertainment 😭

[@kratino]

Similar to Chutes and Ladders. . .

[@Mess_of_a_Maniac]

So true bro

[@Seanyexwest]

Go to spirit prison card, do not pass go, do not collect magic underwear

[@sandyrice3559]

@@Seanyexwest😂

[@humboldthammer]

Consider this: There is no hell for the man-beast who never knows God. But if you choose the ascension journey, you should know, that way, there be hell. Hell was not made for men and women. Hell was made for those immortal beings -- either created immortal or who attain immortality -- who then turn against God -- and for whom the only known method of death, is the judgement of the Ancients of Days. And because Eternity has neither beginning nor end -- in the outworking of Eternity -- it will be as if one never was. Final judgement for the devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) is set for 10/10/26. Daniel 7: 9-14. As for the rest of us beasts, our lives shall be prolonged while the saints share Jesus' gospel of the brotherhood of all men and women with all the nations. And when two-thirds of the people UNDERSTAND with their hearts, THEN Jesus will return in GLORY -- as He promised -- and not to destroy. About 2160. But first, the devil intends to absolve himself by proving mankind unfit for God's kingdom with a worldwide war: God vs God vs Not God vs no god, in the Name of GAUD -- Grand Architect of Ur Destruction -- Abraham's Ur. It began in Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.

[@mimimaitri1]

I can’t imagine how much psychological pressure this puts on people. The stakes are so high and it sounds so competitive.

[@milesbrown2261]

It was insane. When my cousins left the church I weeped because I loved my cousin he was my best friend and I wanted to be able to see him in the afterlife and be gods together and shit. Now I know better and that it’s silly but there was a time where I genuinely hoped he and his family would come back and would beg god to let them join me in the “””celestial kingdom”””

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

No doubt, I can almost forgive some of the grief that they put me through in college. They sure worry about a lot of CRAP.

[@juliawestwood7025]

It’s honestly a hell within itself. Every decision you make, you’ll think about how it effects not only you, but your entire family too. It’s bonkers and I’m so glad to have that burden off of my shoulders

[@katholicmom]

It’s very crazy. Growing up I was told that even though I descended from the laminates (I’m Cherokee aka Native American) and my skin is olive that as I grew up the more righteous I was the whiter my skin would become. True story. I’m from a very white very Mormon family in Utah and I became Catholic. None of my family will “visit” me in heaven

[@bunnybgood411]

Utah is Prozac Nation. Depression runs deep; no one can live up to the pressure to be perfect. Pharmaceuticals use is big in the Beehive State.

[@MsChica3000]

As an ex-fundamentalist (like a Baptist), this really doesn't sound any more crazy than what we were taught. Our pastor had a huge flow chart for his eschatology sermons with stuff like the rapture, 2nd coming, 1000 year reign, 7 year tribulation, war in heaven, lake of fire. . . .sure, why not throw in some other planets while you're at it!

[@Snommelp]

Oh man, I've been there. I still cringe when I remember the time in my life where I claimed "Left Behind" as my favorite book.

[@EdWatch-yx7hy]

Except we can see exactly what the actual Christian Bible was talking about before our eyes. The Christian Bible is one of the few religious books with prophecies ...and again..prophecies thay we can see. ...like false prophets, and the antichrist...

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

There is a propensity for people from other denominations to point out how insane the "other" Christians beliefs are, when they all sound insane. It is very arrogant to believe that you have all the answers.

[@jd3jefferson556]

​@SleepyMatt-zzz I am a Catholic. I admit. Our beliefs are pretty crazy, but true.

[@bakedbread9443]

the interesting part (at least for me) is that mormonism and dispensationalist protestants both came out of the same cultural milieu, at about the same time. joseph smith was taking ideas popular among lay christians and used them to build his own personal sex cult, while people like john nelson darby took those ideas to places less self serving than smith but just as removed from historic church teaching as smith.

[@tmc4642]

I’m thankful my born-Mormon Grandma flipped this bonkers board game off our family’s proverbial table.

[@stephengnb]

I thoroughly enjoy the imagery you use. 🔥

[@LadyMcMasternap]

Mine too 🎉 my Gma said nope when she turned 18

[@jimgreen242]

Well done Grandma!

[@chrismiller5198]

And, growing up Protestant, I thought Catholicism was weird.

[@RTCIvory]

But don't you want to be a super creative sci-fi writer?🛸🔮

[@bjean97]

The lore is so good. I totally get why people stay in the church just to play the the game of “Who Wants to Have Their Own Planet” 😅

[@snowdroog1]

Old Joe Smith really knew how to work it. Being steeped in freemasonry helped.

[@monkut]

So you get to be with your family, but can have your own planet? What if your other family members have thier own planet, too? Do you get a spaceship to visit your family on other planets? Or maybe they get teleportation, that would be cool.

[@MossyMozart]

AND, _bonus points_ , you *also* get to be a God as you work your way up the heavenly ladder!! So, instead of a mere 72 virgins for Islamic martyrs, the LDS guy has "bill-yons and bill-yons" in a Carl Sagan voice.

[@arneedlund8512]

​@@monkutmake no seans. Only if you don't want to think. And who want to be the new Jesus and have to be torture to death? Not me 😊 Mormons gods are all evil then.

[@orisonorchards4251]

Unless you're a woman. Only men get to create planets and HAVE harems. Women just get to be the harem, eternally pregnant to populate the planets her husband (her God) is making. Many GC talks have TOLD women their husbands are their Gods.

[@DavidCranney-q8l]

Thank you for this very detailed explanation of mormonism. I'm in my late 70s and have previously learned a little of LDS beliefs but nothing as comprehensive as this. My cousin was converted to mormonism by his wife and I have presumably been "baptised" without my knowledge. Personally, I was born into the Jehovahs Witness cult and left along with my parents at the age of 17. Now I'm a member of a mainstream protestant church which preaches tolerance and acceptance with an emphasis on service to others. But the JW indoctrination as a child was something that took a long time to shake off, with forced attendance three times a week at congregation meetings.

[@sarahsunshine78]

You won’t have been baptized yet as they only do it once you’ve died. They can’t do it for people still living.

[@oldpossum57]

Boy howdy. You drew some wild cards from the deck. You appear to be fine. As a materialist since the age of 12, I don’t get the god thing at all. But whatever gets you through the night is all right.

[@afr11235]

So, basically, the Mormon church is an MLM. If you tithed enough to get to our super-platinum level, not only do you get to go to heaven, but you have a chance at a lucky drawing for your own planet! I mean, I thought scientology came up with some wackadoodle beliefs, but this stuff is really up there! The real question: will Xenu be sent to outer darkness or the telestial kingdom?

[@oliviawolcott8351]

it may be the original MLM. but it also explains why so many mormons are a part of MLMs.

[@tinygardentomato]

As a member of the church, this is a satirical video. Not even all the information is accurate. When I go to learn about Budishm or Islam, I don't look up videos making fun of them. I like to be respected, so I try to respect others. Simple as that.

[@DavidicServant]

Christian churches also believe in tithing...its not a mormon thing

[@justkiddin84]

⁠@@DavidicServant Not good churches. God does not need money. I have been to a number of churches, and most of them pass the plate and you give a bit to help upkeep the building and pay the minister, secretary, and organ player. If you have no money to give, you are still welcome, and will be fed. Tithing is different, and is very wrong. If you don’t pay, not only are you not welcome, you are destined for Hell, and shunned. Cults tithe. Churches do not. Christ tore down the money lenders at the temple because money is evil. The LDS has hundreds of billions of dollars invested in corporations. The tithes are not used for what the folks giving are told it will be used for. Huge Temples, political and corporate power are the aim. It is blasphemous.

[@justkiddin84]

@@tinygardentomatoYou should actually look into main stream Christianity. At bibles not printed by the LDS. At the actual history of the LDS-because you do not understand your own ‘church.’ This is not disrespect to you, but to leaders who lie to you and all the members about, oh, Joseph Smith being polygamous (he was), about what they do with your money, about why you need special underwear. Joseph Smith was a blasphemer of the worst kind. He twisted the Bible and the words of Christ to create a cult and have people worship him, rather than God. He took the wives of other men. He lied. A lot of the symbols and wording is from various sources, including Gnostic texts, Enochian magic, the Kabbalah, and other non-Christian sources. Really. It is a cult.

[@traciethomas3234]

Reminds me of the saying, ‘You can’t make this shit up!” Yes, you can!

[@humboldthammer]

I know that I can. Abraham was an El-ite -- not a Jew. He traced his ancestry to Seth, Adam's and Eve's son, who first taught men about god, EL. By faith, you are an El-ite, too. And WE (you too) have been tasked with the progressive perfection of Mankind -- God's composite of unique individuals with ascension promise -- even if it takes us all 6,488 years remaining in Abraham's 10,000-year Covenant, after Moses renegotiated face-to-face as friend, and 553 years were not counted against us. Man kind includes ALL OF US; from the first human pair, unto the last man or woman, and -- for those who pass the faith test -- onto the afterlife, we are ONE Creation, potentially, everlasting. For the individual, self-mastery is a worthy goal, especially, with an expanding sense of self as an everlasting child of God.

[@thelexicon7294]

@@humboldthammerOut of all the wild beliefs out there, the notion that we’ve been around for a few thousand years is by far the wildest to me. 😅

[@humboldthammer]

@@thelexicon7294 500,000 years ago they came to teach Neanderthal Man herding and husbandry. And all went well for about 300,000 years (cro magnon man) until Lucifer -- sovereign of over 600 evolutionary worlds -- declared Liberty from rule by a non-existent grand-father god, and ordered the Planetary Princes, like the one who remains on Earth, to do as they Willed.

[@Danielle-zq7kb]

But not everyone can end up with millions who believe it!

[@lijohnyoutube101]

Exactly, so sad and mind boggling

[@RossIsFine]

I'm a former Mormon. When starting, they gave me their books in plastic cover and it came with a King James Bible. When I went to open it, the lady that brought me into their church grabbed the Bible and moved it far away from the other books. I asked her about that and she said this, "That Bible is finished, it doesn't matter anymore. It's just a symbol. These books here are the NEW revelation of God to our prophet Joseph Smith."

[@GoingBrokeinTokyo]

I love how there’s people that say they believe THIS but say the Big Bang is false.

[@Tybold63]

Chance is that none of it is true but I understand your comment.

[@mis4nthr0p3]

It's a BS cult like Scientology

[@daniellerains5733]

And/or they believe that evolution couldn't possibly be real because it's too complicated that "randomness" could cause human beings 😂

[@dexterwestin3747]

This being unreasonable doesn't enhance the reasonableness of the big bang.

[@rachelfox8108]

​@@dexterwestin3747 Well, the big bang isn't so much a "truth" as a theory -- which, in scientific terms, means "every evidence we have and every calculation we did points to this being the most plausible origin of the universe, pending new evidence." Prior to the current theory, scientists such as Albert Einstein believed the universe was stable and unchanging, always had been and always will, but that was before our telescopes became strong enough to detect the expansion of the universe. If new evidence points to a different theory being more plausible than the big bang, scientists will welcome this readjustment to their understanding -- but they won't do that if the evidence is lacking.

[@ArielaStrombeck]

As someone who never wants kids, I'd rather be smooth down there than be expected to continually (and eternally) pump out children 🤣

[@alyssadgrenfell]

Yeah this is definitely an afterlife invented by a man who ended up secretly marrying 30+ women. What woman is going to come up with the concept of eternal pregnancy?

[@bewitched3912]

After seeing my poor mama make 13 babies, I support anyone who doesn't choose to procreate. I hated being asked "how many children are you going to have?" as a very young child.. it was icky then (50+ years ago) and now

[@kratino]

@@alyssadgrenfell They see this as a motivational BONUS? LOL Definitely pulled from a man's fevered brain. . . or fevered penis.

[@songbird1307]

​@@bewitched3912I am from TX but currently live in UT to be closer to my husband's family. For various reasons we didn't end up having any children & I am perfectly fine w/ that. I was never 100% confident that I even wanted kids. I am very content w/ our furbabies. Since being in UT every time I meet someone new where "small talk" is required the very 1st thing that I get asked is "So...how many children do you have?". They don't even ask IF I have children. I know they are just trying to be friendly but I hate the assumption. Having children is not the only thing that defines an adult woman. I have an education & an accomplished career but in UT a husband plus children is the #1 achievement I guess. 🤷‍♀️

[@bewitched3912]

@@songbird1307 You sound like an interesting person. I bet you have some talents and cool hobbies too!! After my exodus, I participated in every aspect of the arts; film production, fine arts, music, screenwriting, professional photography and 3 D mold making. I even published a book on art technique. If I tried any of this as a "mormon wife" it would never happen. I do have adult kids who supports my art and even creates art with me. I couldn't be happier!!

[@HelmutCrisis]

“Dregs of Heaven” ANOTHER great band name.

[@JoeBLOWFHB]

The Sons of Perdition's debut album "Outer Darkness" with their #1 hit "I Drink Coffee"... not coming to an LDS bookstore near you.

[@gabmalagonpersonal]

But sure as hell to an LSD one

[@aakmullins]

The hit single [tho] is called, “I don’t F*ing Soak,” and it uses Temple Baptism for the Dead references.

[@aakmullins]

Maybe use hot tubs or hot springs instead of baptismal fonts.

[@AngryMrFixit]

Gotta get tabs for “the devil went down to upstate New York” man that song is SIIIICK

[@Sara-ce1yf]

I literally cried when i was taught this in church . I felt like a slave as it was for 30 years in that religion. Im just glad that gloomy part of my life is over .

[@sarahcatherine2788]

Congratulations on leaving! I hope you are enjoying your life outside of this toxic ideology.

[@trissvlogs]

Great, I am not alone with that thought, I felt like a slave for that religion, serve mission, serving the church and work for their billion benefit, something that I regret to be part of this manipulative religion.

[@cjames9320]

Did you find Christ after rejecting the cult of Mormanism?

[@michaelvogler9540]

@@cjames9320 The sad thing is all the other religions are worse. Mormonism at least taught me all religions could be wrong, but only 1 could be right. This contributed to my eventual atheism. I am still Mormon adjacent....

[@cjames9320]

@@michaelvogler9540 unfortunately that's the way Mormonism works. It turns people away from God altogether and tears away their hope. I'm sorry that happened to you.

[@samplautz5586]

As a Christian it’s crazy how much more they add to the afterlife. For us it’s pretty simple. You go to A or B. Heaven or Hell. I feel like im learning a new language when i try to figure out where you go in the afterlife with Mormons

[@stefanopellegrini1734]

actually, at least in Catholic Church, there is also Purgatory (there also used to be Limbo I think, for unbaptized children but not only, but not anymore.)

[@brittoncain5090]

@@stefanopellegrini1734Purgatory and Limbo are actually different. Limbo isn't an official doctrine, but it's the idea that those who are good but not Christian go to an outer layer of Hell where they don't experience torment, but they also don't experience the supernatural joy of heaven. Purgatory is a place of cleansing that souls undergo before entering heaven, so if you die and end up in purgatory, you're still good.

[@stefanopellegrini1734]

@@brittoncain5090 Yes that's also what I was thought as a child. I read that Church is moving away from the Limbo idea (which is not an official doctrine as you say, but there is lot of stuff that is not official but it's very present in people's mind). Limbo was used also as a way to answer the question "where do unbaptized children go when they die?". I imagine it was a "kindness" in the beginning, since they don't go to hell (even if they still "have" the Original Sin), but sensibility changed and it seemed a harsh fate for innocent children

[@oldpossum57]

@@stefanopellegrini1734 Limbo-from Limbus, edge or hem. And, yes, while it may not have been decided doctrine by the magisterium, it was plenty real to 6 and 7 year old catechism students in the 1960s.

[@NethDugan]

It makes a certain sense to me. To quote 'The Good Place' - "there ought to be a middle place!"

[@aroundtheworldaly]

Compared to “mainstream” Christianity, Judaism & Islam, the very last part of your video is WILD! To imply that God is just one of many potential Gods who used to be a person on some other planet, approaches Scientology levels of crazy 😆

[@amaravazquez8591]

Joseph Smith would have for sure been a sci-fi/fantasy writer had he been born in the 20th century. Probably would have met up with L.Ron Hubbard lol.

[@patriciag6030]

And that Jesus was just appointed Saviour of Earth implying that there are other Saviours appointed to other planets. I am a lapsed Catholic and I haven’t practised in many years but even I gasped at the blasphemy of it.

[@sarahlongstaff5101]

I love it! No more “I am the one and only god.”

[@jerrimenard3092]

I grew up Mormon and I still believe in many Gods and worlds. I still believe we will become Gods and also that our intelligences or energy is made of Chaos Matter. No, I am not a Christian. I am a traditional Thiestic Satanists. I didn't really have to convert. I just reframed what I learned growing up. Mormonism is Left Hand Path with a thin veneer of Jesus.

[@EspiritoDeDafne]

Evillious kind of lore

[@markferguson3365]

The one thing that has stood out to me most about Mormons, is the need to know a secret hand shake. Sounds more like a fraternal lodge, not a religion.

[@477BravoJuliet]

Religions have well known practices that are freely shared or preached. Cults have secrets.

[@lucied7291]

Joseph was a high-ranking mason with a wild imagination, hence the mormon religion

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@477BravoJuliet This is not the only definition of a cult.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

They also purposely mispronounce certain words so that they can recognize each other on the sly.

[@jerrimenard3092]

It's sort of both a lodge and a church. The big difference is Freemasons don't worship. Mormons do and so that makes the handshake part of the rituals. The OTO has something similar. Crowley was a huge fanboy of Joseph Smith.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

How old are you in this afterlife? How old are your children? Are you all the same age? And since you are someone else's child, you're with them, and so on, so you are surrounded by people you don't know from different time periods and everyone is the same age?

[@diamondsmasher]

Shhhhhhh….. stop asking questions……. Just drink the Kool-Aid…..

[@r.d.8172]

These were my questions when my aunt tried to teach me about her beliefs as a Jehovah's witness (it's not the same but somewhat the same). These were also the questions my husband had when I told him I'm addicted to ex-mo videos 😂 The answer is basically the one someone left here before: just shut up, questions aren't welcome. But it's just crazy, like are you with your parents or with your children? Are your parents with your grandparents? Which ones? Doesn't make sense, unless everyone is in their own parallel universe... I say we should better enjoy this life right here and now!

[@moogie01956]

So many questions?

[@chairthrower]

Feel like we should also mention Glen A. Larson, who created the original "Battlestar Galactica", which borrowed heavily from Mormon theology for its world building.

[@acatnamedm4529]

And the Twilight author

[@chairthrower]

@@acatnamedm4529 She mentioned her in the graphic

[@STho205]

He also borrowed from Scientology which was a big Hollywood fad in the late 70s. Scientology share a some of these concepts as well...as does Islam. Most of these are Arian heresies that split off from Orthodox Trinity Christianity after the 3rd century. Mormonism is a reworked Jehovas Witness theology, mixed with Masonry Mythology (which masons don't really believe or worship by...it is a retro ceremony like military colors), with the 1830s pondering of how did complex pyramid mounds get in America, and the revelation is very similar to what Mohammed said he had.

[@oriolesfan61]

I don't think so 🤔

[@STho205]

@@oriolesfan61 well you'd be wrong, but that's OK

[@paularodriguez726]

A flowchart for my soul??? I'm in

[@alyssadgrenfell]

Nerds everywhere are celebrating the Mormon afterlife 🤓

[@fosterseth]

it's like those choose your own adventure books. Turn to page 666 to enter the Outer Darkness

[@STho205]

You could also be a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Mohammedist then as they also have a complex flowchart. The first two are a Do Loop with an eventual escape limit value.

[@marlenezarah6501]

I really don't want to be ungayified or look like Barbie! I'll also probably get cremated and I doubt that Jesus will remember what I look like. I don't even want to imagine what he would make me look like 😂 All of the kingdoms sound like Hell to me. Can I just refuse being resurrected and stop existing when my time on earth is over, or float around as a spirit without a body somewhere in nothingness? Honestly outer darkness sounds so much cooler than the three kingdoms.

[@STho205]

@@marlenezarah6501 a trinitarian Christian has faith in the eternal nature of the Triune God and the Father/Creator aspect created all of the Heavens and the Earth. They believe through faith and acceptance in The Way the Truth and the Light that they will unite with that after they die and are reborn as purified spirit. You likely believe nothing created the universe...it was just spontaneous and random and there is no providential order to it, just observable mathematical patterns. When you die your reason or consciousness will become nothing. So you both get exactly what you want. So next time you pass a Christian top your hat in a gesture of Free Will and choice. TomAto TOmato

[@katierose15]

KZbin finally isn’t giving me Mormon church ads on your vids anymore, it was actually a help line add for those abused by the Mormon church

[@josephmoya5098]

It blows me that the Mormons believe in a second coming of Christ. He already came twice. He ascended, and then came back to Jackson County Missouri to proclaim the Gospel to all those white Native Americans. So we are now awaiting his third coming. Maybe he'll visit Australia next.

[@Sidra_Asghar]

Jesus, please come to Indiana! 😂

[@snowflakesue3986]

Nooooo! We don't want that liar down our way, nor his lazy father! Please, let America keep them!

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

It cracks me up when they talk about their relationship with Jesus and tell me that I need to get one, too. They don't think it's funny when I tell them, "If he wants a relationship, he knows where to find me."

[@janmeyer3129]

Australia is not fertile ground

[@sarahlongstaff5101]

Swedenborgians--my family's religion--also believe that the second coming already happened.... But only Emmanuel Swedenborg was told about it. You gotta read his impenetrable books to find the "truth."

[@shelby2117]

I like that the cartoon specified it was "Mormon Jesus"😂

[@Shinkajo]

There is a great musical remix of that cartoon.

[@reynadelikat6410]

Mormons would not like cannon Jesus, as he is in fact a brown Jewish man

[@cmaden78]

And yes " outer darkness"? Would be a killer band name😂❤

[@kamaha0010]

Yes, because the Mormon Jesus is almost entirely unrecognizable to actual Christians, who follow actual Jesus.

[@animagu5of653]

@@kamaha0010😂😂😂 “actual Jesus”.

[@justmeisuppose2767]

I'd just like to thank you for the content that you put out. I live in Utah, more specificall Utah County...Im sure you know how it is there. Im a non mormon, and one of two non mormons in my family, but I'm the only one within my household that is. My Father grew up LDS but never really fully accepted it, and so when he finally came of age and had his say, he rejected it. Technically he is still a member as he never got his name striken from church records, though, he is the FARTHEST thing from an active member. Because of my father's strong beliefs against the church for being forced into it, he belived that I should have my choice. Now my parents are sepparated and my mother remarried a nice "good" mormon guy. I find now that I am the only non member in my house, and one of two in my neigborhood. Because of this I have often felt very very left out, and have often been judged harshly for not sharing their beliefs. Im 17 now and it has been very hard to make friends. Luckily I made a pretty strong core group of frinds a few years back, and you'll never guess, they're not LDS. I guess all I'm saying is that your content really strikes a chord with me, in a very good way. It hits really deep for me. Keep up the good work!!! ps; whenever the end of the world comes you know Far Cry 5 will come in handy out here😂

[@TheGallicWitch]

hey! I worked as a sound engineer, that buzzing sound around the 26-min mark is usually caused by nearby electronics turning on and/or receiving a network transmission. So for ex, when I would be on set for documentaries in people's homes, the first thing we would do when coming in is turn off the wi-fi, unplug the television, radio, electronic clock, whatever, and either turn off every single phone in the room or at least put them on airplane mode. If anyone gets a text, if the wi-fi has a fluctuation, if the tv is on stand-by, pretty much any electronic that's in the same room as your mic, has the very real potential of causing this very specific kind of buzzing. So if you don't want it to happen in the future, make sure you turn off everything before starting to film!

[@MossyMozart]

@TheGallicWitch - thank you for the lesson. I appreciate it.

[@benthomas9776]

That's a lot less fun of an explanation than demonic interference 😂

[@yikes4501]

the more you know ⭐️🌈

[@ukemike1]

It's kind of like a Word of Wisdom for youtubers.

[@kenburwood]

On the surface the Mormon plan seems to give a reason for life. Claims to answer the age old questions: Why are we here? Why does life exist? Is there a purpose? "As we are, god once was, and as god is, we can become." But it doesn't offer any actual reason for that cycle or how any of it started, etc. It's simply the life cycle shifted to a cosmic spiritual scale, repeated ad infinitum, for the "answer." All the "why's" that it claims to answer actually remain unaswered, just deflected out level after level.

[@AJX-2]

Mormonism seems to take pride in its lack of metaphysical rigor. Just look at the lyrics of the hymn "If You Could Hie To Kolob". The whole cascade of gods and matter has no beginning or end. It's turtles all the way down.

[@jerrimenard3092]

What the church leaves out can very easily be filled in with outside sources. I recommend reading or watching videos on the Left Hand Path. Exaltation/Godhood is the goal and you get a lot more of the backstory. For more reading on the Left Hand Path I recommend S. Connelly "The Complete Book of Demonolatry" and " Mastering Witchcraft" by Paul Huson.

[@mimimaitri1]

It’s an impossible question to answer, yet all religions try.

[@Scarlett.loves.Loki2]

I had this same question, where did the very first God come from?

[@humboldthammer]

500,000 years ago, they came to Earth to teach Neanderthal Man herding and husbandry. And all went well for about 300,000 years (cro magnon man) until Lucifer -- sovereign of over 600 evolutionary worlds -- declared liberty from Rule by a non-existent grandfather god, and ordered the Planetary Princes, under his authority, to Do as They WILLED. Fast forward: Lucifer and Satan were detained in 30 AD, just after Pentecost, and were judged by the Ancients of Days, far from Earth in 1985. The devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) remain on Earth. Their judgement is set for 10/10/26. They intend to absolve themselves by proving mankind unfit for God's kingdom with a worldwide war: God vs God vs Not God vs no god, in the Name of GAUD. Grand Architect of Ur Destruction -- Abraham's Ur. It began in Israel on 10/7/23. "After all," the devil argues, "Jesus, Himself, tried to teach these beasts to love one another, 1,994 years ago -- almost two full days in Heaven. Surely, the Ancient of Days will judge Man at fault. Or Jesus. Not Me." 2 Peter 3: 8 Matthew 5: 44-48. The devil is delusional -- Daniel 7: 9-14 -- but over 93% of men and women are nearly deaf and blind spiritually. They "see" and "hear" nothing. As in the days of Noah.

[@excedrinmigrainesouffle]

It's insane how I narrowly dodged the Mormon bullet. When I was a kid, my father befriended two Mormon girls that would come and visit us, and they convinced my father (my abuser) to join the Mormon church. Istg I remember being in some little class with some other kids in the local temple learning about it? Being shown pictures of something? It's a blur. Wearing long skirts... Ugh. I think they rejected our family because my parents were divorced and living in the same house or something, so it never went further. I even remember for a while after that, dad would fantasize about owning a planet when he died, and I didn't know wtf he was talking about until watching this video right now. Wow. It proved how power-hungry my father was over us, man. He's long gone now, but it's just so wild it nearly got that far.

[@TheCripeCrew]

I had my own experience with the sci-fi/fantasy and Mormon connection. I was an adult convert and when the missionaries learned I also played D&D they were quite excited. They said being Mormon was like playing D&D with my life. Instead of leveling up my gaming character I could level up my soul. 😂 I really fell for the whole “families are forever” thing. After I was baptized there was immense pressure put on me to get my husband and children to convert. I was told that they would go to the Terrestrial Kingdom and that I would be assigned a new husband and new children in the Celestial Kingdom. How is that families are forever?

[@MossyMozart]

When I was in the church, missionaries were taught that it was perfectly acceptable to _"lie for the lord"_ , that if a -mark- ......uh... _potential new member_ asked a question you did not want to answer (like about these more bizarre beliefs), redirect and answer a question you wished they asked. Telling me that it was okay to lie infuriated me! Manipulative hypocrites.

[@nilus2k]

Honestly that was way more enlightened about D&D than my Catholic upbringing. But that was also the late 80s and the Satanic Panic was still a big deal. My parents were fine with D&D but I got in trouble if I brought D&D books to CCD

[@klowen7778]

Yeah, always wondered why there's apparently so many Mormon Sci-Fi & Fantasy writers... and BTW, wasn't Glen Larson, the creator of Battlestar Galactica (with its lost home planet of Kobol, aka, Kolob), also a Mormon?

[@shapeshifter1825]

​@@MossyMozart excuse me, WHAT? It is okay to lie and manipulate? Isn't that the devil's way of obtaining what he wants from you??

[@tinygardentomato]

I'm a member of the church, and I also served a mission. I, personally, have never been taught that's it's ok to "lie for the Lord." I'm sorry that that is what you ran into, however. Also, while this video is correct on some things, on others, it isn't. Also, it is a very comical video. When I want to learn about Islam, Buddhism, or any other belief, I don't look to comical videos making fun of their beliefs. Sure, you can make fun of us, but please, actually read up on the religion before you decide you know what it's about. Also, I sure as hell am not going to worship my husband. Pardon ny language. 😂

[@worldadventuretravel]

My mom was a convert when I was in high school and dragged me to church, stake events, seminary, and sent me to girls camp FOR FOUR YEARS. I was never baptized... *however* I did baptisms for the dead twice because nobody in our ward remembered I wasn't baptized and I wanted to know what went on at the temple. 😈I asked multiple priests to explain this whole polygamy-in-the-afterlife thing as well as my seminary teacher and the grift was that there are more righteous women souls than men souls so polygamy is a favor to all the women souls so they can go to the celestial kingdom. It all sounded like B.S. to me. My mom keeps sticking me on the prayer rolls so no matter where I move I still get contacted by the local wards and relief society all the time. I am always kind to them, but I never invite them over. No real God throws anyone away.

[@maryannbettner937]

Thank you Great explanation Interesting! No wonder you left.

[@ChickenSandwitch-rs2fj]

I pray you Find The True God Of The Bible Sister✝️🙏

[@Fete_Fatale]

@@ChickenSandwitch-rs2fj I hope you get the mental health care you need.

[@marktaylor7162]

I've already got my own planet. It's very nice.

[@carolhoughton9159]

My 1st marriage was that way. He started with polygamy while we were still married. Free from all of that now. I’ve been living with my boyfriend for 15 years. We choose each other every day, free from religion and free from having to register our situation with the state government.

[@Trustbutverify2651]

There are downsides, though - esp if one of you gets very ill and is in the ICU. Then only married spouses can visit and many who are not married have not been able to be with their loved ones in their last moments. There are many other benefits to marriage. I hope you've thought of all the angles and protected yourselves if you choose not to be married.

[@MossyMozart]

@@Trustbutverify2651 - Inheritance is another sphere where marriage helps. Alan Rickman married his long time love shortly before his death for this reason, I believe.

[@chrisc3571]

​@@Trustbutverify2651when my sister nearly died, the hospital let all sorts of people visit - childhood acquaintances she hadn't seen in decades, old neighbors, people from church, relatives, my ex-husband. Anybody who wanted to see her. When my time comes, my sons and my friends will ensure that my boyfriend never has to leave my side. Granted, since he is a veteran and might be in a military hospital, they might exclude me for not being married to him - some locations are like that. But on the whole, I think this is no longer a valid concern for most couples.

[@sherisellars5129]

I converted very briefly as a very young adult. I can honestly say I didn't meet one single Mormon married man who wasn't caught having affairs, quite a few with underaged girls. What did the church do about it? Not much.

[@unfurlinglotusflower6939]

I have ancestors who converted to Mormonism in Nauvoo. They traveled to Utah with Brigham Young. For some reason, they left the church several years later, converted back to their original denomination, and moved just over the Colorado border, becoming the first white settlers in that area. We have no idea why they left but your channel has given me some fairly good ideas why they did. We have no record of polygamy either.

[@barb0za0]

cool to know this family history! i wish i had records like this but my family is from places without crazy record keeping standards

[@florallyclover]

that’s so interesting! would be so cool to get to have a conversation with them and figure it all out!😂

[@unfurlinglotusflower6939]

@@barb0za0 a family member wrote a book about the history of the town they founded that I own. It helped my FIL when he did the genealogy of my family.

[@unfurlinglotusflower6939]

@@florallyclover it’s only one of my family’s mysteries. DNA testing and genealogy bring up answers for sure but it also brings more questions. I’d love to have answers to a lot more.

[@juliahaney9001]

Your channel is interesting!

[@daviddurango9562]

"Son's of Perdition." That is an AWESOME name for a band. You made my day with that one.😊

[@velvetrooster5569]

I’ve seen a lot of Mormons say this that animated movie is completely false but all my research over the last 10 years tells me that it’s all 100% accurate to the teachings of the church. As a former Mormon that was converted when I was 10 years old and decided to leave the church after many years of being inactive at 27 years old I find it wild how many things taught by the church are denied when it makes the church look bad. I was arguing with a guy on instagram when a clip from that animated movie came across and it was about god punishing people with black skin. This guy in the comments said the church does not and has never taught that. He tried to back up his claims by saying that the church has had black members sense the mid 1800s and went on to say that the church started in the mid 1800s so that means a lot. That’s not true at all. I know for a fact that the Mormon church was exclusively white only for many years into the late 1900s. As someone who has done much more research and has much more knowledge about the church, what are your thoughts on the history of people of color in the church and the history of people of color being punished by god with dark skin?

[@Vincent-qr7tt]

Are people from central Africa equal now in the church of LDS? I mean they might be on paper but are they in real life?

[@velvetrooster5569]

@@Vincent-qr7tt the short answer is yes, because the church has denounced the part of the doctrine that says black skin was God’s punishment.

[@mooglily]

As someone with ADHD, this process sounds way too damn long. First I gotta die, then I have to wait in pre-hell to be baptized. Then once in paradise I still have to wait for God to come back *someday* & after that he’ll reign on earth for *1000 years* before I can finally get the heaven??? If this is what the afterlife is like, I don’t want it. I feel like they also must have a housing crisis because all the beings that have ever lived on planet earth for all of time are hanging out in the limbo planet right now.

[@Jules_Dufresne]

I was thinking THE SAME THING !!! How are people excited about something that will take 1000 years + to happen, I'm bored!!!!!!

[@TheSapphireSprit]

Now to e fair you can baptized and skip some of the line.

[@B.Y.B.Y.]

You don't have to wait for housing crisis, we already have it now here in the US 😂

[@comradeRat8545]

Yeah, like what do we do in pre-hell? Can I at least read a book or something?

[@TheSapphireSprit]

@@comradeRat8545 you can have a book but it’s going to have misspellings, bad punctuation and a really bad plot. Every other word will be “like”. Like really bad, right?

[@ross-rz5uh]

I grew up in a very large Mormon family. My dad was the second youngest of nine and my grandparents had 53 first grandchildren. I did a ton of these studies on my own after my dad died and my mom promptly left the church after the temple ceremony she was required to do with my uncle. She said it was normal for the family to pick a son to "marry/seal themselves" to the widow? I'm grateful my mom left the church when she did. I experienced much of what you talk about after I got baptized within the church but am so thankful I never chose to join it and listened to my mom. Thank you for these binge watching sessions. I always thought it was crazy even when I was a kid and you just solidify it lol.

[@EmanuelKalemaj-or9zy]

hi. i currently I'm learning from 2 sisters dhe book of Mormon in order to be baptize. honestly i asked for more time because i don't feel that I'm in the right place ( church ) they ask me to pray to God to give me answer if dhe book of Mormon is the right way to God. can you please help me to view the thru ?

[@sambonnett6451]

i never knew just how far removed mormonism truly is from christianity 😭😭 love the vids alyssa, although i’ve never been mormon i grew up southern baptist and your videos very much help me feel less alone in my deconstruction!

[@johnl2727]

I agree!!!

[@Squibblezombie]

I understood that Mormons participated in the church of latter day saints and worshipped Jesus Christ, so I kinda assumed they were Christians that were stuck up. Now I realize that they are similar to Muslims, where Muslims worship Jesus but they are still another religion entirely. I did get the stuck up part right tho.

[@mojo.s4669]

@@Squibblezombieumm except….Muslim do not worship Jesus, please actually do research on Islam or watch an imam(Muslim scholar) video. Muslim famously don’t believe that Jesus is the son of god, they simply believe he was a prophet. They follow god solely and singularly. There is no trinity either in Islam. It is completely monotheistic.

[@Squibblezombie]

​@@mojo.s4669 1) I did not say there was a trinity. 2) I know it is monotheistic. 3) I did not do research on Islam because I assumed that asking my Muslim friend about it would be enough. 4) My Muslim friend said that Jesus is acknowledged and accepted in Islam but they don't believe he was the literal son of god and they think Christianity became false over time as it drifted away from what was true. Suffice to say, I took that to mean they still worshipped Jesus but didn't give him holy status. Anyways, are there any other sentences you want to write a paragraph response to?

[@mojo.s4669]

@@Squibblezombie I understand the misunderstanding but, you assuming what he meant, while it’s entirely different is what I’m correcting you on. Muslims do not WORSHIP Christ, they don’t worship any other figure besides god itself. So the language you use is important when having these discussions because it can maybe imply the wrong theology. The difference in Islam and Christianity fundamentally is that Muslims fundamentally don’t hold any being or seek out any beings besides Allah(god). This is in worship and pray as well. Cheers brothers🍻

[@SamSeth]

I'm impressed that you're able to do these videos in a serious and respectful way, given the silliness of a lot of what you discuss. A lot of Joseph Smith's doctrine reads like something you'd dream up after one too many bong hits

[@headphonesaxolotl]

Joe S. was a little wacky.

[@joeymotz]

"I've done some less good things in my life by creating this channel" lol. Creating this channel is a great thing. Thank you.

[@bunnybgood411]

Alyssa, you are so entertaining! As an ex-mo myself, I just can't get enough of your channel. I was a Mormon from age 8 (in 1963) until I lost my faith at around 12-13 and stopped going to church at 14. Luckily, I wasn't forced to attend Mutual and I never went to Seminary. Once again, I am SO GLAD that I missed out on most of these crazy teachings. Good lord, as an artist/writer/ creative, a supercomputer could not have designed a religion more antithetical to my very being. Mormon heaven, with all the levels and mundane stuff, sounds like it was invented by bean counters. I can understand why mainstream Christians view Mormonism as blasphemous. So God is just some nice boy, maybe an accountant, from the planet Pflorg who made good and is only in charge of of our own universe. And we can become gods ourselves! Or rather, the men can. Note: that suited up, rapturous guy in the AI illustration looks like an in-the-closet young man straight out of the musical The Book Of Mormon. Keep up the good work, Alyssa!

[@MadMadMandy]

Joking to your mormon devout wife that you refuse to ressurrect her because of laundry sounds vile to me tbh 😬 Maybe I'm sensitive as f*ck, but if my partner told me they would bury me - a witch - in a catholic graveyard, I'd be deeply hurt.

[@Cor6196]

I think that being buried in a Catholic graveyard guarantees you a slot in Catholic heaven. Now whether you consider this a plus or a minus is up to you. 😂

[@cathuff5802]

Fellow witch watching this channel!!

[@cescamarie]

Make that 3 of us! Hello fellow witches! 💜✨

[@kaylynnirvinesthetics]

Right? I have questioned mormonism forever and was FORCED to attend until I was 18. One of the main things that I started questioning was all the sexism. It is disgusting and infuriates me. I would also be upset if I am buried in a mormon graveyard, as a witch myself, as well.

[@mimimaitri1]

The amount of sexism and obsession with sex and birth in the afterlife are so extreme.

[@mayhu3282]

Wow, I'm so glad the algorithm showed me this. As an exchange student from Europe, I lived with a Mormon family for a while in Virginia when I was 16. I even went (well, was left waiting somewhere outside while it happened) to their celestial marriage ceremony in the Washington temple. They tried to explain to me some of these weird things, but my poor English back then made it very difficult, and I was left only with a very vague idea of it all, although, being back then already very much into astronomy, I do remember something about planets that caught my attention. I wonder what became of the 3 little children I was helping with in that family and whether they still believe this fairy tale.

[@marialauraverso]

ok im so fucking intrigued?? WHAT IF YOU JUST WANTED TO REST IN PEACE????? what happened to resting in peace. imagine dying and still having to do so much work what seems never ending? cause like if you get a planet does this happen all over again?? IM SO SO CONFUSED????? after life pyramid scheme. I'm sorry heavenly father i think i just want to chill.

[@mimimaitri1]

Seems such a let down to have the afterlife be so much like real life.

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

They used to call it one eternal round.

[@edwardboe7290]

You ask too many questions. You're going to hell. Wait, that doesn't matter, you're going to be proxy baptized.

[@chickadeeacres3864]

The sheer feeling of bliss and no more of that negative chatter going on in your former brain , it will be very peaceful. Go check out a bunch of near death experiences and you’ll understand. Most NDE’s are quite upset and being sent back as it wasn’t their time, or this was a wake up call.

[@paulpinecone2464]

Well then, you shouldn't have been so pious! Now lie back and think of Utah!

[@amberinthemist7912]

The idea that I would be forced into polygamy against my will after I was dead made me not mormon. I said I would find a good mormon man who didn't want polygamy and be a good wife to him. I was told the nature of ALL men is that they would enjoy going from woman to woman and back again even if it crushes their wives hearts because those are just silly women feelings. I was also told that any good mormon man would be given more wives after death by god and I guess I'd be libotomized or something and not care about sharing ny husband, which honestly is an idea that makes me want to puke. Anyway I was 12 it was 1989. After months of arguing these points I said I'd rather live in hell as the devil's wife and left the church. I never thought it wasn't true or didn't plan to live mormon before I left. I enjoyed the time demands because I'm very social. I didn't mind the rules. But the idea of sharing a husband physically has always been like a knife in my heart but I was told those feelings were silly and there was no other choices in the after life. It was either be a good woman do everything right and then spend all of eternity getting cheated on or be non mormon. It so incredibly strange how much the mormon god and satan seem to share the same exact views on women's feelings and consent to sex.

[@intignia]

Not everything this lady says is accurate. Heavenly Father said one man and one woman. Adam only had one wife.

[@amberinthemist7912]

@@intignia you are calling me a liar? About my own experiences?

[@intignia]

@@amberinthemist7912 No! I was saying that not everything Alyssa is telling us is accurate. I too would be devastated and heart-broken if when I got to the other side I found out that after all I sacrificed to live the Gospel truths and take care of my sweet hubby he was to have another wife besides me. I was trying to offer comfort because in the scriptures it clearly says one man one wife. Adam and Eve were the first to be married on Earth and they set the example of what a marriage is.

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

​@@intigniabut according to some theologies Adam had a wife BEFORE Eve. Her name was Lilith and she demanded equal rights (she wouldn't submit to Adam, the example being she wanted to be on top during sex) so God damned Lilith and cast her out and then created Eve for Adam

[@amiesparkle00]

@@intigniaif it’s not true why do Alyssa and this commenter say the same thing?

[@tunana1]

Really bananas. Wow. Thanks for explaining this and adding the charts.

[@kaylynnirvinesthetics]

I cannot tell you how many times my mom has cried, since I left the church, about how I can't come visit her in the Celestial Kingdom, for eternity, and how we can't be together because I am a sinner.

[@mimimaitri1]

I’m so sorry.

[@dandelion1239]

She won’t be there either since it’s a made-up place. You can be with Jesus for eternity if you’ll put your trust in Him ALONE for your salvation. He’s not Lucifer’s brother! We all need Him. We don’t need a religion! We need truth. Not a cult!!

[@GlennWilson-n4t]

All of us, according Saint Paul are born sinners. That is my experiencefor 74 years.

[@alalalala57]

​@@dandelion1239 Sounds like a made up guy lol.

[@jboreal7982]

@@dandelion1239 Precisely.

[@bewitched3912]

Alyssa, invite your readers to request their local library to obtain a copy to check out, there's many many libraries that need your literature!! Just a fun idea!!

[@bewitched3912]

It costs nothing and you are helping those who are struggling with religion and helping Alyssa, financially!! 😊

[@PCAKnight]

Good advice!!!!

[@Ladybird41]

Oh! I will do that!

[@bewitched3912]

@@Ladybird41 thank you!! 😊

[@MikeA15206]

Just don’t read it during Drag Queen Story time, they will indoctrinate your kids. Lol.

[@angel27639]

my grandma is the reason I was a member as a child. i checked out mentally as soon as they told me I wouldnt be sealed to my grandmother. my family sent me to private christian school also so it was very hard for me to completely understand mormonism and my baptist school. I really enjoy your channel that really breaks down what this religion is about. its a shame most of my extended family is balls deep in it!

[@Quklasa]

“God and Mrs God” was actually really funny 😂

[@curiouskitten85]

All I could think was "yikes that would be a lot of responsibility" and then remembered how bad I was at sims... can you be at the upper level and just have like a really nice uninhabited rock?

[@jedoilar2937]

Why do you think shit sucks so bad here? God‘s just a really awful Sims player lol

[@igamarurbytes]

'Can't I just oversee primordial ooze on my planet?'

[@curiouskitten85]

@igamarurbytes , Mormons don't believe in evolution, so I'm not sure if that would be an option...

[@adumb._.human1909]

5:37 my mom would always explain the heavenly mother thing to me by telling me that the reason we don’t pray to her, or even acknowledge her often is because she “didn’t want all the attention.” She didn’t want the glory nor the backlash that Heavenly Father gets. This was a good enough excuse for me when I was 5 to 10-ish

[@bagofholding]

Ah the veil of forgetfulness. I assume that works similar to books I was assigned to read in high school that I hated reading. As soon as that cover closed and I walked back into that classroom for the quiz *poof* gone.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

No doubt. Good ole high school, being forced to read crap that does you zero amount of good in life.

[@patriciastikeleather5689]

I read "No Man Knows My History, the life of Joseph Smith" So I started watching you as a follow up. I am really enjoying your explanations and the extra touch of humor.

[@ThePbird1]

I was eleven years old when a woman named Joy, née Flourette Cretaz gave me a book entitled Unveiled Mysteries. This is the founding document of a religion called The I Am. Now, as a Jew, I had been exposed to the Old Testament (translated) and also the Authorized New, but neither had challenged my credulity as did the book of the I Am. The author describes a climb of Mount Shasta where after stopping for refreshments at the ski lodge he continues towards the summit, but as he comes around a boulder he encounters a Black Panther. Now this happened in the 1920s, so this was a puma cat, which anon spoketh unto our hero, saying “follow me” whereupon it entered a fissure in the mountain, our hero close behind. At this point in the narrative I began to have my pre-teen doubts about the non fiction status of the tale. But I digress. Upon entering the crevice the author describes the entire interior of the mountain as a huge crystal lined cave with an eerie glow illuminating everything. The cat then morphs into Saint Germaine who proffers a chalice (notice that a cup, a tankard, a mug would never suffice in that circumstance.), then commands our hero to “partake.” He does and all the wisdom and knowledge of creation became his to know...along with God’s will….. I tell you this, gentle reader, because just a few years ago I encountered another book similar to this one. I was traveling South to see my children who live more than a thousand miles from me, so after a long day’s drive I stopped at a nondescript motel. The TV was broken and I did not want to take the trouble of complaining so I reached for the old trusty Gideon lurking in every motel nightstand. Much to my surprise, there, in all its splendor was The Book of Mormon. I began to read and almost instantly recognized echoes of Unveiled Mysteries. I put the book back, went to sleep and had fitful dreams all night. Driving, the next morning, I said out loud, “ What a boatload of BS that was.” If a guy is not born rich, and does not want to work for a living...Start a religion! “ There are always suckers who will fund you and women who will sleep with you in the name of a higher power. If I did not believe in Kharma I might try that scam myself! (Is Kharma another BS thing too?) So Endeth my tale. Postscript: on reflection what is so different about the original script we hold in such reverence?

[@Cor6196]

The whole scenario reminds me of L Ron Hubbard’s cosmology, like a long fable written in spurts of inspiration by the town drunk..

[@calicoquilter4472]

I kept expecting Xenu to pop up somewhere.

[@bewitched3912]

😂

[@OkieJammer2736]

LOL.. but not really. You're onto something here.

[@jerrimenard3092]

The reason for the resemblance is that L Ron Hubbard use to be part of Crowley's OTO. Crowley was into Joseph Smith's teachings and even made him an OTO saint! Joseph got a lot of his material from older sources. If you can get ahold of D Michael Quinn 's book "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View" it will give more context to the similarities.

[@kikiciesielski5824]

@@calicoquilter4472 makes a lot of sense because if I recall correctly, all of Xenu people got in spaceships and came here and got into a volcano or something like that so really we are all Mormon Xenu children or something like that

[@carolyearsley]

You are one of the best ExMo pod casters. All of you younger ones have really energized the movement. Thanks for all of your hard work putting the information together.

[@Lndwdr]

Thanks! From a happy ex mo!

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Good for you!

[@gillianperry8965]

Totally unrelated but ALYSSA DUDE you’re just so cool. Like genuinely one of the only internet influencers that I have respect for. I saw your reel about your David Bowie Halloween costumes and I’m just so impressed at your ability to reject all the insane brainwashing and do whatever anachronistic thing you weren’t allowed to do while your very personality was being controlled. Slay!

[@aubreyw659]

Im quite literally not even joking, just yesterday a friend and i were discussing mormon heaven and i shared one of your videos. And then you go and post this! Haha the coincidence is very good. Keep up spreading awareness of what mormons actually believe

[@alyssadgrenfell]

The spirit prompted me to make this because God knew you needed this video 😌 It's so amazing to see how the Lord moves in our lives. 🙏

[@theboathaaa7654]

​@@alyssadgrenfellheavenly Father outchea making money moves through you, his vessel on earth 🌍 lol

[@aubreyw659]

@@alyssadgrenfell hahahaha yeah. Not a Mormon, more of a regular Christian but I love all your work

[@theshortstack]

Glad I found the channel. I'm an ex mormon and I get asked questions about the teachings "are the magical underwear a real thing?"; that kind of stuff. I can just link them here because this is a wonderful sum of knowledge that easily explains the craziness. Thanks for the effort and hard work.

[@SarahAnnJohnson]

I’m Southern Baptist and this blows my mind! I can’t imagine trying to keep up with all of this.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

honestly it's the one bit of mormonism I thought was actually pleasant... there is no hell, just the question of do you want the good afterlife, the better afterlife, or the best afterlife

[@forest_green]

Imagine hearing about Christianity the first time lol

[@merrygrammarian1591]

I live in a place where people hear about Christ for the first time quite frequently. One man said, "we don't want to live the way our ancestors lived, killing our wives and daughters for (presumed) witchcraft." As Christianity spreads, tribal wars have stopped, life expectancy is up, maternal mortality is down, women's literacy rates are up (that one holds a positive correlation with protestant missions on a global and historical level as far back as the early church), and tribal cannibalism is unheard of anymore. People hearing about Jesus for the first time do not respond how you think they would. They're typically overjoyed that they don't have to suffer for their gods to earn favor.

[@Squibblezombie]

@@merrygrammarian1591 Mormonism increased over the last century and all those things went down as well. I guess that means that Mormonism is good for everybody right? All jokes aside, doing a correlation between the slow spread of Christianity and time could be done for ANY religion and it means nothing.

[@Iwishihaddonethisbefore]

@Squibblezombie I think the point was being made that some religions have a larger pacifist bent and have leaner conditions in getting to a positive afterlife. So such religions like certain denomination of Christianity are looked upon more favourably because of that, compared to others. If the difference say between two religions afterlife is that one I just have to be a good person or I have to commit a certain hard act. Certainly Christianity looks a bit more appealing. If of course you believe in a form of religion.

[@revgurley]

As an independent non-denominational theologian, this is all so fascinating to me. Not that I believe it, but Mormonism wasn't taught at all in my seminary. Judaism and Islam, yes. But not other Christian denominations. What I've learned has been from my own study and experiences. So thank you for showing us this theology. Learn something new every day, right?

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Mormonism isn't a Christian denomination : you R ignorant if you think it is : r u even passing your classes???

[@k9leadstheway531]

Morminism isn't a christian denomination? They completely reject the triune nature of the Godhead according to christians.

[@jeffcarnegie6967]

you're doing good work. I grew up around Mormons and picked up a lot of strange stuff but you're helping tie it all together.

[@eli6405]

Your sense of humour is amazing, that certificate is hilarious

[@cypriennezed5640]

Awww yeah, it's planet time ❤❤❤ ETA: LOVE THE CERTIFICATE SO MUCH

[@alyssadgrenfell]

Get ready to be ETERNALLY PREGNANT! 🎉 Those spirit babies aren't going to make themselves!

[@averybell4273]

The threat of not being connected to loved ones really feeds to our fear of not having human connections

[@robyn00xx]

Religion has been my special interest for the last 5 years, love your channel and being able to learn more about mormonism (mom grew up hardcore catholic but left the church around 18 and my dad wasn’t raised religious)

[@sparklingslimeASMR]

This was SO helpful to have all of this information presented this way. I was a convert so I still struggle to understand what all I agreed to when I was baptized. This channel is helping me to deconstruct for good! I would love to see a video on the hierarchy of authorities in the church and some insight into how they’re chosen. That part is still very confusing to me and I’d love an expert analysis! Thank you Alyssa for sharing your knowledge🙂

[@TheAlastairBrown]

You could probably have guessed, but the TLDR is that it's a bunch of rich, old, white men, choosing which rich, old white man is the leader for everyone else.

[@LauralovesJesus1]

Please do not confuse true Christianity with LDS, Mormon theology. Pray and ask God to reveal to you truth, then read only the Bible, ESV version to easily understand it. I was Catholic and I had a friend trying to share with me the truth of the Gospel, not religion. I argued with her a lot, until I seriously went to God in prayer and asked Him to show me the truth, and He did. I began to really understand the Bible for myself. He opened the eyes of my heart, and I believe He will do the same for you

[@isabellp.5730]

@@LauralovesJesus1 In spaces where people are in the process of healing from the harms of organized religions, proselytizing is not a good look. I know you are coming from a genuine place, but consider whether your comments might be actively harmful to many people who need time before they feel safe enough to consider whether or not to engage with any kind of religion again.

[@ozlemslakurul6240]

I love your sense of humor. That certificate cracked me up tbh hahah

[@grahamthom8597]

Alyssa, your an incredibly intelligent person. I can't fathom how difficult it was for you living with Mormonism and finally breaking free.. Good on you. 👍

[@artemisia4718]

“The Sons of Perdition in Outer Darkness” is a rad progressive rock band name

[@atroposV]

Ghost of Perdition is an Opeth song so you got that right

[@KidVolcano]

"Coming up next we have _Mortal Atonement of Blood_ by the Sons of Perdition; that's from their upcoming record, 'The Dregs of Heaven...'"

[@JK-ox2kp]

Alyssa. As someone who grew up in Africa and immigrated to Australia, I am unfamiliar with Mormonism. It makes me really sad to think I had always just assumed Mormonism was a slightly radical form of Christian Church. But this is not biblical. It touches on some parts of the bible and then makes up it’s own story completely. I am so shocked to hear what you are saying. And thank you for opening this up for the world to see. I hope this helps people think and have the courage to act

[@northfrost4018]

My father's side of the family was a part of the Mormon church from the wagon trains to my grandmother's youth, I'm glad the family got out before I was in the picture.

[@sofiaarmendariz7539]

I don´t know if you have watched The Good Place yet but it is an amazing show and I think you would really like it, I won´t spoil much for you but there´s a sort of prank being done in one of the later seasons where they tell someone in the good place (heaven like place) that there´s a secret, even better place for people who were extra awesome called the best place. The tiers within tiers of the mormon afterlife reminded me so much of that. Loved the video as per usual!

[@ProfMcGonaGil]

This is WILD. What I thought I knew about Mormonism was already on another level. What in fresh Outer Darkness…

[@ProfMcGonaGil]

You are a MAGNIFICENT storyteller, by the way. You have a skill for relaying really complex (and grim) information in an entertaining way. I’m really enjoying your channel!

[@Iwanttoobelieve]

My grandchildren are being raised LDS. They don't talk about any specifics. Thank you very much for this very interesting information.

[@gwengold8154]

Your grandchildren are very blessed.

[@carolynholody9281]

Wow! I had no idea that the Mormon beliefs were so nutty! Thanks for sharing this video with us.

[@tarajh]

It's B O N K E R S !!

[@rafangirl1]

It has been a joy for me to see my dear ExMo friend living her life for herself, embracing experiences, and deciding for herself what's right and wrong, instead of following all the Mormon rules to make it into an afterlife that doesn't exist.

[@weird-history-and-odd-news]

I love your channel, Alyssa..... it's just mind-boggling how crushingly convoluted Mormonism is... thank you for your brilliant series, shining a bright light onto this nonsensical belief system.

[@nancybeck1428]

was this story conceived by one person at the beginning of Mormonism, or over decades by the elite Mormon men who wanted a "Legacy"

[@stevemorris270]

Mormon baptism after I die is the only hope I have.

[@kerenhaiweha6257]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@gwengold8154]

The only hope I have is the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@hyacinth4368]

No, it isn't.

[@samsampier7147]

Oof. I saw Mormon Heaven on South Park: baking, putting on plays, and doing arts and crafts. I grew up in Utah. I had enough of that stuff in public school. Hell looks more fun.

[@dman7668]

You must be baptized to enter heaven. Unless a man be born again of water and spirit he cannot enter it.

[@budlaumer]

A good high school friend was mormon and it was hard on him because his mom was an alcoholic and it was obvious to everyone. This explains what the deal was--daddy alone for eternity. I stopped listening when I was told that some guy lost gold tablets--nobody misplaces gold. Then I traveled through Cedar City to AZ on the back roads. Just a lovely place until someone told me about the Mountain Meadow Massacre--OMG. Thanks

[@madeleinebright2590]

This stuff is wild. A part of me yearns for an answer to the question, "What happens after we die?" But then i learn about this insanity and it puts me off religion so much.

[@McQuizzical]

Unfortunately mankind takes God's message and twists it into their own shape, it's the whole idolitary problem, which misses the point that we're called to walk in a relationship with Him and learn to respect others. The greatest commandment 34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ 37 Jesus replied: ‘“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.”[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: “Love your neighbour as yourself.”[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’ Matthew 22:34-40 NIV

[@theboathaaa7654]

Yearning for an answer is natural, but you should always be skeptical when someone claims to have one. This is even more true when they claim you should give 10% of your income to my organization, or else be eternally damned in their version of the afterlife. Seems most likely to me that death will be exactly like it was before I was born, and that's fine with me

[@GuyRegular]

What happens after we die?, you want to live in reality. Our brain dies. We don't exist anymore in our body begins to decompose. We're either buried in the ground and turn into a dried out pile of bones and skin or cremated and what's left of our Bodies are turned into ashes in a blender-like device and put into an urn and hand it to our relatives and that's all there is folks.

[@allenmatlick9041]

The Space Odyssey movies: 2001 & 2010, certainly have Mormon elements. Dave, the sole surviving astronaut of 2001 ends up living in some sort of holding area until he dies of old age. He is then is transformed into some sort of super being. In 2010 he becomes the god-equivalent of Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter. Jupiter changes into a sort of mini-star to illuminate Europa. Everything is wonderful.

[@danielkaszas2982]

Sons of Perdition is a rock band from Glasgow, UK and Outer Darkness is from Brooklyn, New York City. They really do exist.

[@michaelgreen1515]

OK good I am not going bonkers I was sure "Sons of Perdition" had actually been a band. I can't actually remember if I have seen/heard them but it would probably defeat the point if I could....

[@crisdekker8223]

The first thing you see after you pass is an interactive screen with a cursor that blinks "You are Here".

[@nottiredofwinning3736]

From a Christian perspective these beliefs are not only pretty wild, but they're sinful and blasphemous. It's kind of crazy most Mormons and some non-Mormons think this is a form of Christianity, it's not, it's a perversion of it.

[@HistoryGeek4U]

Those beliefs are blasphemous; getting saved in Mormonism doesn't involve God's grace.

[@SandyV-cg4xd]

I basically do not belong to any church or temple but I read many religious books inclooding Old and New Testament, good chunk of Quran , Book of Tanya (Hasidic) , etc., and the FIRST thing that popped in my mind when I started reading Mormon book were those words : “Beware of the false prophets " and was wondering how on earth this is "christian" book !?

[@sansoucie1969]

@nottiredofwinning3736 From an Athiest perspective, I wouldn't characterize christianity as a perversion of reality; maybe just a bastardization. But you're right about the mormons. You guys are weird, but those people are bizarre.

[@nottiredofwinning3736]

@@sansoucie1969 Have fun with your Godlessness, you're actually the "weird" minority. today, and especially all through history.

[@justkiddin84]

Very much so. The Blood Atonement was the thing that stopped me from being polite and calling it a church. Joe Smith literally said that murder was just fine with Jesus. Nope. And the more I learn, the worse it gets.

[@dewolajzserem3971]

I'm barely 2 minutes in and I already had a world shattering experience. What do you mean Brandon Mull is Mormon?! I loved his books since I was like 12 and own almost all of his series. Now you gave me a very unique way of looking at his stories. Now I finally have a good reason to do a reread of his books.