SCARY Truth About Japan's Runway Disaster!

Japan Airlines Flight 516 crashed into a Japanese Coast Guard DHC-8 during landing at Tokyo's Haneda airport, killing 5 crewmembers on the Dash 8. Miraculously, all 379 personnel onboard the Flight 516 managed to survive!
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[@pilot-debrief]

Edit: The stop bar lights were out of service, but that’s not a valid reason for not seeing the hold short line or knowing the difference between a taxiway and a runway. (Assuming the transcript is accurate and he was directed to hold short). Check out the Fed Ex and Southwest Close Call In Austin! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGjLiYSCjNSWeNk

[@auburnalum9019]

You can thank Obama and his infinite wisdom for DEI policies for Air Traffic controllers hiring policies and for all the danger in the US. Liberal policies are going to get innocent people killed.

[@larryscott3982]

You should include what happened at Hobby recently. A biz jet was landing and another biz jet departing on a crossing runway hit each other. One second difference between T-bone collision and the wingtip to rudder clip that did happen. That’s much more inline with Tokyo.

[@posahenrik]

Ahoy, If you check the NOTAMS you can see the "stop bar lights" were INOP at all "C" intersections at time of the accident. 6:19

[@albertvanlingen7590]

You missed something.... The one engine on the a350 was still running after it came to a standstill so that makes what the cabin crew did even better work. Second thing to consider it's a public holiday so could also be an inexperienced tower crew.

[@julesviolin]

What the hell is the green light doing in the middle of those red hold lights ??

[@mikeclarke952]

Yeah that cabin crew needs ALL the awards in airline safety and efficiency. Bravo, standing ovation.

[@DN-kz7xl]

They have learned from the past. Well done.

[@utha2665]

Let's not forget the passengers complying with the cabin crew's instructions, there were very few to none trying to get their hand luggage and exited in a very orderly way.

[@jonslg240]

​@@utha2665 it's easy to compare people from minor accidents to this one, but I guarantee you in most places in the world everyone would have fled after seeing that fireball and feeling that wreck. The only people who wouldn't are the people who live in such poverty that losing their carryon luggage would be life altering to them.

[@andrejspetersons8500]

@@jonslg240 People should pack and sort their carryon luggage by priority. The most valuable items should be in the bag right under your seat which would take practically no extra time to get in an accident such as this and would not slow down the evacuation at all.

[@DN-kz7xl]

@@utha2665 Probably mostly Japanese citizens who are used to follow rules and regulations unlike some countries' citizens who does not like to be told how to behave on a plane.🙂

[@TheAutisticTraveller]

My jaw just about dropped to the floor when I heard that everyone on the A350 survived. Incredible work by the crew!

[@kevinp8108]

@TheAustisticTraveller - Stop giving the crew all of the credit! This was a domestic flight full of Japanese passengers and one quality they possess is the concern for others. These people listen to the cabin crew unlike passengers from the West! If this happened in the US, they would all be dead from trying to retrieve their carryons!

[@ekspatriat]

Yep USA passengers would be trying to get their KFC out of the overhead.

[@after_midnight9592]

@@ekspatriatI wonder how the evac skid ramps can handle their obese passengers. If such people get injured or have a heart attack because of stress, they're not getting out.

[@Yuki-y]

Some of your own luggage ,any of your assets and your life. Which is the most important thing in that situation? Your passport,any other your stuff can be replaceable and assets can be replaceable as well , but how about your life? Is it replaceable? That’s why everyone trying to stay calm in the plane or even in middle of earthquake in Japan. Getting panicking and yelling or screaming your own expressions are contagious to the others at that moment. It makes things worse obviously and it would cause just chaos. That’s why we Japanese follow the professional’s instructions who trained enough and we would learn from the experience. From my point of view, I would have done the same action like those Japanese did which is following the CA, cuz I want to survive not only me but everyone together as much as we can. Selfish expression or behavior and freedom is not a same thing in that situation especially I guess. We have to stick together sometimes to keep living your life. Sorry, that I am bad to write English sentences tho. As a side note, I used the word “freedom “ is not about comparison to any other country but just about in Japan general.

[@jellybean8167]

Don`t forget to take your jaw with you when youleave.

[@whaledriver1030]

I flew as an expat 747 Pilot for JAL for nearly a decade. I flew high density 747-100 SR-SUD flights between Haneda and Chitose. I was always amazed how orderly and polite the Japanese people are. It’s like getting on the Yamanote Train in Tokyo during rush hour. They would line up in the Terminal in advance and board over 550 people in less than thirty minutes. Same with disembarking, very polite and efficient. Their culture certainly was a contributing factor to the success of this emergency evacuation.

[@pyme495]

For people that haven't actually experienced it (I have), they just can't understand or appreciate it.

[@TabletopWorms]

I agree. It's absolutely a night and day difference. My roommate said he'd grab his carry on (single bag) regardless and I told him that he was selfish. He got upset about that.

[@windowboy]

Otsukaresama!

[@morenothing4u]

​@@TabletopWorms You should already know what he thinks of you then. Get a new roommate when you can.

[@Richard-od7yd]

Including taking pictures of the accident from inside the plane😉🤔

[@jamescarroll6954]

The JAL crew and passengers pulled off an unbelievable 100% evacuation-especially considering that only three of its eight exits were usable and that the #2 engine didn’t shut down.

[@JohnnyGTR34]

Amazing what you can do when passengers also understand the assignment instead of greedily stumbling over each other trying to save their luggage like gluttonous zoo animals. No way in my mind would it have been a 100% evacuation if this were a domestic American flight…

[@after_midnight9592]

​@@JohnnyGTR34given the rising number or close calls in the last years, this was a dire warning to the FAA.

[@rebelfighter5249]

​​​@@JohnnyGTR34 stop bashing Western passengers when this is a JAPANESE affair, smh. Not everyone reacts the same way in an emergency and had the fire engulfed the interior upon the plane coming to a complete stop, that same discipline would've gotten most if not all the passengers and crew killed.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

The evacuation took 18 minutes from the time the aircraft came to a stop. There is no evidence that passengers evacuated without their carry on luggage, only assumptions.

[@wanyelandy8847]

​@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 IT only takes 8 minutes for the last passenger after collision. Crew stayed to make sure no passengers remain on-board until 18 mins

[@ak2nda695]

Hoover will have to do a passenger debrief if any luggage grabbers get between me and the exit door in an emergency.

[@mlpabq1]

There ought to be automatic overhead bin locks that activate at takeoff and landing and don't release until the crew does it intentionally.

[@dw13645]

@@mlpabq1people would still stand there tugging away at the locked bins I bet 😩

[@tonyhudson8698]

​@@mlpabq1Something else to go wrong. Adding in more weight, more cost, so you pay more for YOUR ticket.. Knee jerk reaction much..

[@overcomingobstaclescreates1695]

@@tonyhudson8698 Without a doubt, my 'favorite' thing about this incident is all the hand-wringing armchair problem-solvers out there. One person even suggested that once the natural light is gone for the day that NO planes cross ANY runways. I wonder how they expect the planes to get to & from the terminals?

[@mlpabq1]

That's what is said about all safety equipment including airbags and seat belts in cars. I'd rather be alive to have that knee jerk reaction than be a dead pile of ash on a runway. @@tonyhudson8698

[@virginiaviola5097]

I put it down to jangled nerves and possible pilot fatigue. Japan had been through a lot, and the Dash-8 was a Coast Guard flight taking supplies up to the Prefecture that had been levelled by the recent earthquake. I think it was just one of those Swiss Cheese moments, a perfect storm of stress and overload for everyone in Japan, and it’s under those conditions that mistakes can get made. That this tragedy wasn’t even worse, that everybody on the A-350 survived is nothing short of a miracle. To lose 5 members of the Coast Guard and the vital supplies and manpower to aid the people still trapped in their levelled communities is heart-breaking.

[@Sniperboy5551]

You’re right, context is everything

[@OptimusMatrix]

Most leveled take I've seen.

[@x808drifter]

​@@OptimusMatrixMinus the alarmist use of the word leveled perhaps.

[@davidkelly3779]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@acasualviewer5861]

No system should collapse because of a single point of failure. Pilots will make mistakes now and then that's inevitable. And they may be at fault as well. However, the system should have enough checks and balances to detect and remediate single failures. For example, the ATC should have a process that makes them detect if someone is in the wrong place and call a go around. The landing pilot should have a better way to determine if someone is already on the runway. The system isn't safe it it relies on all pilots doing the right thing all the time.

[@cwez11]

Lived in Japan for two years. Most efficient passengers I've ever seen. They follow the rules to the T. In fact, all airlines I've traveled on in JA only ever boarded 10 minutes prior to departure, because the Japanese head straight to their seats, don't mess around, sit down and hush. I love it. Big shock returning to the USA. :(

[@6z0]

It took them 18 minutes from the point the A350 came to a stop to when the last passenger finally made it out. That is absolutely terrible.

[@peterphan227]

Japanese passengers know how to follow instructions. Their culture of politeness, respect and orderly conduct saved all their lives.

[@catsandcrafts171]

I hate to agree, but I do think in other countries like the US, or here in the UK, our people are a lot more stubborn, selfish, and disorderly. We hate rules and we don't take instructions/orders well (apart from military trained people). Massive generalisation I know, I'm wired to do as I'm told so we're clearly not all like that, but those who are, will always be in the way of those trying to do the right thing, and I suspect a great many more would have died had this been a western airline and not Japanese.

[@pyme495]

What a graphic example of the difference in Japanese and Americans. Americans need to take notes.

[@stroguy]

The flight consisted of many international travelers. US, France, Sweden. There are plenty of other plane evacuations across the globe where the passengers successfully completed the evacuation safely.

[@Protofall]

@@stroguy I recently flew on JAL, the video at the beginning of the flight makes sure to emphasis leaving the baggage behind incase of emergency. And those few internationals would have just done what the majority did anyways. I'm super impressed, I know it would have been hard for me to leave my bag if my flight ended up like this (But ultimately I would leave it because the last thing I'd want is to get someone killed). They have a lot of discipline.

[@teijaflink2226]

Keep your most important things like passport, wallet, medication, phone on you.

[@alexandermarken7639]

The crew of the A 350 need to get awards for their conduct, pure and simple to get all out in these circumstances is incredible.

[@traveller_andrew]

From time of the incident to clearing the last passenger took 18 minutes

[@alexandermarken7639]

@@user-ne3zj3up1m Don't know how you intend justifying your comments and do not care. Before you accuse a country and all within it as racist look in the mirror.

[@bubba99009]

@@traveller_andrew That 18 minutes is from when the collision occurred - the plane was still rolling for some of that. Not bad for such a big plane with only 3 exits usable and no communication to the flight attendants at the back of the plane.

[@GonzoIsCool]

Wow, getting everyone off the A350 successfully like that surprised me. Collisions on Runways are extremely dangerous. That the other pilot lived is even more shocking. Way to go, JAL Crew!

[@KevBotM]

That and I suspect most JAL passengers are more likely to comply with basic safety rules (such as leave your shit behind when everything's on fire) than your typical Spirit customer.

[@GonzoIsCool]

@@KevBotM Definitely true. Japanese culture is very rule oriented and in a disaster that's a huge help.

[@Lt_Tragg]

@@KevBotMExactly!

[@OMG_No_Way]

Especially with only 3 of the 8 slides deployed.

[@Lt_Tragg]

@@OMG_No_Way indeed, I wasn’t surprised at all actually. If you’ve ever observed large numbers of Japanese aboard aircraft you’d notice they are attentive and disciplined. I say, were this a Spirit flight, a significantly less positive outcome.

[@lesleymorgan01]

Standing ovation for the entire crew and the passengers of the A350 - this evacuation will be discussed for decades. So sorry about the loss of lives on the Dash 8 - people who were on their way to help earthquake victims. A tragedy all around. Great analysis, Hoover, and the runway images were very helpful.

[@6z0]

An 18 minute evacuation will be discussed for decades? Yeah, discussed about how NOT to handle an evacuation.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

The JAL cabin and crew took 18 minutes to evacuate the plane using 3 of 8 slides. They waited 6 minutes before starting the process. According to the FAA, it should've been much faster: As part of the certification process, aircraft manufacturers are required to demonstrate that an aircraft, in maximum density configuration, can be completely evacuated within 90 seconds using only half of the total number of emergency exits.

[@oahuhawaii2141]

In fact, one passenger said people were verbal in expressing being upset as the crew took so long to start the process. The folks started to panic as toxic smoke filled the cabin. Only the 2 front slides were opened for evacuation, and folks in the back felt they'll die waiting to get out. After a while, someone opened a slide in the back, and folks rushed to that exit slide.

[@andrewtaylor940]

The damage to the A350's engines seen in the early photos is kind of shocking. If you look at them it becomes clear. The Dash 8 is a low to the ground high winged plane. From looking at the A350 you can see the pattern of damage. The A350 came up straight on the Dash-8 from behind. The Vertical Stabilizer of the Dash-8 Smashed in the A350's radar dome and nose. While the fuselage of the Dash-8 went under the A350 tearing off the A350's front landing gear. As the A350 came straight over the top of the Dash-8, the Dash-8's wings sliced perfectly into the A350's low slung engine nacelles. Leaving the pattern of 2 symmetrical slashes in the engines. This is probably the point where the Dash-8's wings ripped off and the first fireball occured. In the meantime the inner portions of the Dash-8 went up under the A350 and the spinning engines likely sliced open the center fuel tank. When the A350 slid to a stop, remarkably intact (how those engines didn't rip off is anybodies guess?). The Right ENgine refused to shut down but was spinning oddly belching sparks and flames, while a torrent of fuel was pouring out of the planes belly. Somehow the Cabin Crew got everyone evacuated before that fuel flow came in contact with the flaming sparking right engine. If you look at the early footage you do see something puzzling. As the passengers are evacuating you can see 2 Air Crash Fire Trucks sitting off to one side. For the life of me I cannot understand why they didn't come in closer and foam the leaking fuel?

[@GudieveNing]

Brilliant analysis and makes sense.

[@FretGrinder64]

Airport firefighter here. Cannot deploy foam immediately until rescue paths are established. Case in point the Asiana plane crash in San Francisco where a female passenger was covered by foam and subsequently killed by one of the responding fire trucks.

[@Michael_K_Woods]

⁠@@FretGrinder64do you believe that was a good policy change worthy of the tradeoffs? From a non expert pov I am always leery of policy changes because of one death in the fog of war.

[@harrythompson6977]

@@Michael_K_Woods would you wish any family or even your own to survive somthing like this then lose their life on the runway when its avoidable it could be a kid anyone..... rushing risks we dont even run in the firehouse pre call

[@Kaparzo]

I was watching Japanese live TV (they were talking about the earthquake) when this breaking news came in with live feed. One thing I noticed is how terrible (to a laymen like me) the aim of the firetrucks was. Foam sometimes missed the mark completely and mostly fell short of the actual fire (majority of it was ejected onto the runway instead of the fire). I found it interesting that they (seemed to) just stopped trying to put out the fire at some point, after failing to do any good. It might be a deliberate decision to let the Airbus burn out.

[@paddyohenry6428]

Coast Guard Dash 8 captain will most likely be wracked with survivor's guilt for the rest of his life.

[@tat2steven810]

He'll never fly again....its a Japanese thing

[@ronmoore5827]

Kudos to the flight attendants. Just remember, if the controllers make a mistake, the pilots make a mistake, or the aircraft lets you down, it’s the flight attendants job to save you!

[@stekon9112]

Kudos to the passangers also. They did what the crew told them. Calmly.

[@gigmaresh8772]

Very few passengers realize the only REQUIRED duty of a flight attendant is to SAVE YOUR LIFE

[@geekfreak618]

And they are almost as well trained as the pilots about those aircraft. People treat them like servers. They are trained personnel who can save your life. THAT is their only job. passenger safety.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

yep

[@bobanob1967]

They are trained to save my arse but paid to ice my drinks.

[@JAY1892]

I’ll never forget the runway incident with the Dutch pilot in Spain. It gives me chills to this day.

[@robst247]

Do you mean Tenerife North (then Los Rodeos), Canary Islands, 27 March 1977, when KLM Flight 4805 (747-206B) started its takeoff run in fog with Pan Am Flight 1736 (747-121) still on the runway? Deadliest accident in aviation history: 583 fatalities, only 61 survived - all passengers and crew in the front section of the Pan Am 747. The KLM 747 had NOT been cleared for take-off, but its captain believed otherwise and was impatient to depart. Non-standard radio language and radio interference led to the misunderstanding.

[@randyward2766]

Thank you for the breakdown. This is more information than I've heard from any major news source. I like forward to your analysis when more information comes out.

[@nk7155]

Excellent observations and deductions so early into the accident. Best information available on the net so far! Great work Hoover.

[@pilot-debrief]

Wow! Thanks!

[@Wheels-Wheels-Wheels]

I really appreciate the clear and concise commentary you add to your videos. No silly music or unnecessary banter added purely for effect. Keep up the good work and have a great 2024.

[@phamos73]

Hello Hoover. As a 25 year aviator in the Arctic, Antarctic, and Africa on Twin Otters, currently flying a corporate jet in Canada, I stumbled upon your channel not too long ago and love the content. You have great way of explaining the situations and would honestly like to see it used in CRM courses. Keep up the good work!

[@JoeRogansForehead]

How was flying in the arctic? Robert Byrd style

[@Jorgeola757]

Thanks for the info. Sad for the loss of life. Good job by the cabin crew to get the passengers off that aircraft.

[@alex-cg6hq]

This is a remarkable incident. It's amazing to see that clip and then realize that everyone in the airliner survived. An explosion of human heroics.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

And a good thing that it wasn’t a plane load of Americans. The morbidly obese and then all of the Karen’s not listening to directions and such.

[@ThePaulv12]

Oh the humanity!!

[@jonslg240]

​@@ThePaulv12 😂 Rine up & Rate!

[@Neilh-yh4oi]

Disagree, well trained staff with extremely cool heads! Consummate professionals

[@after_midnight9592]

This is up there with the Hudson miracle

[@Boyso5407]

Every time I see people grabbing their luggage during an evacuation it absolutely infuriates me. These people seriously believe that their luggage is more important than the other passengers. Sickening

[@Transilvanian90]

People like that should be banned from flying for a set period of time. You grab your luggage? No Fly list for 10 years.

[@sofamiller7133]

My train in Hokkaido was delayed because of snow, so we missed our connection. The next train was leaving within 5 minutes of our arrival. They had replacement tickets ready for us when we deboarded and staff were hurriedly directing us into that train. As an American who is used to flight delays, this was unreal. While I’m sure there were plenty of foreigners onboard, I’m also pretty sure such a flawless evacuation could only happen in Japan.

[@luke8329]

Exactly my thoughts. Most other cultures would have had considerable fatalities in the same situation.

[@6z0]

It took 18 minutes from the point that the A350 had fully stopped, to when the last passenger got off the plane. That is a terrible evacuation.

[@sofamiller7133]

@@6z0 every report is saying that is because the conditions weren’t ideal and everyone performed their duties flawlessly. With only two exits, that’s 5.7 seconds/person to get through all obstacles and out the door.

[@6z0]

@@sofamiller7133 3 exits were opened. It still should have taken less time. The A350 is certified for 90 second evacuations with only 4 out of 8 exits. They had 3. It shouldn’t have taken more than 5 minutes to get everyone off

[@sofamiller7133]

@@6z0 where are you getting this? Expert upon expert upon expert is saying they did an excellent job, and every article I find just adds more experts to that list. Oh, and no, initially, only 2 were thought to be useable. And all 3 slides were improperly deployed, because of the angle of the plane, so people were having to reverse crawl down 2 of them or essentially jump at the rear. Try reading what happened.

[@GlennNiesen]

It looks like the A350 landed in the landing zone and just plowed into the Dash. They stood no chance and probably didn’t even know what happened. It speaks well of the cabin crew that everyone got out.

[@gregr6829]

Evacuating the entire A350 with only 3 slides is totally incredible! I believe with 8 slides possible to be used on the A350, the standard is that 4 slides must be able to do a full evacuation in 90 seconds. Making this happen with 3 slides under such circumstances is beyond belief. 😲

[@Fastvoice]

To be fair: It lasted much longer than 90 seconds. The captain left the plane as the last person on board 18 minutes after the collision.

[@gregr6829]

@@Fastvoice I have rephrased the above - the standard for certification is 4 slides for a full evac in 90 seconds under optimum conditions.

[@scollyutube]

​@@Fastvoiceexactly. Based on that the fire can't have been that involved initially. So why wasn't it put out?

[@persistentone3448]

Excellent review, and I love the detail you provided about the runway layout and positions of each plane.

[@themacemperor88]

Thanks Hoover. I appreciate your debriefs.

[@windwalker5765]

Sounds like an awful mistake by the Dash-8. On the other hand, the only people to die in this incident died on impact. I believe this crash will serve as a textbook example of proper post-crash procedure, by the aircraft crew and the ground crew.

[@fcbrants]

Agreed. Hopefully it's also the incentive to install runway incursion alert systems. This could have been a ~ 700 to 800 fatality accident had it been two A350 class jets.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

We don't know if they died on impact or not, especially since the pilot escaped. The others may have burned alive, we don't know if they were conscious and trapped or injured. The airbus fire apparently took 6 hrs to put out.

[@AriKolbeinsson]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH the captain survived at the front of the plane which probably ripped away from the rest of the fuselage and was thrown to the side of the runway (guessing), but as the A350 nose gear and belly rammed the top of the dash 8 at something around 140kts it is likely that the impact and fireball made it pretty instant for the crew in the cabin of the dash 8. Hopefully... If the cockpit broke away in the manner due to the fuselage bending and breaking that will have reduced the initial impulse/impact on the cockpit

[@johndoyle4723]

Amazing result getting all the passengers off safely, the passengers were very disciplined to obey the rules about leaving personal items, and the cabin crew and pilots were obviously well trained for an accident that you would never expect to experience. Seeing the video of the fireball and the plane engulfed in flames you would have expected multiple fatalities. Very sad for the crew on the Dash who were helping with earthquake problems.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

There isn’t any evidence that passengers didn’t take their hand luggage with them, it’s only assumed because it’s Japan. The evacuation took 18 minutes to complete from the time the aircraft came to a stop.

[@recgar]

Thank you for providing a clear analysis and radio transcripts.

[@speedbag67]

As soon as I heard about this I just knew you were going to cover it! I had so many questions, and the News programs had no answers. Your vast knowledge of all things Aviation is really remarkable... even better is the way you break it all down for us.. The commentary.. the graphics.. the statistical analysis.. historical comparisons are enormously informative and educational... But the WAY you present it all is very entertaining as well!! Keep up the good work!! I never click out of one of your vids... AWESOME channel you have!

[@davidcole333]

When I first saw images of the collision, my initial thought was how many hundred just died? There's no way anyone survived that. I was overjoyed and in disbelief that everyone got off of the A350. Tears of joy. But still saddened that the 5 coast guard crew perished. They were working hard to take care of their community and paid the ultimate price. I hope that something can be learned to prevent this from happening again at Haneda and all airports.

[@b1lyb]

When I was flying the Airbus 320 I would select circular display on the NAV screen on the runway so my TCAS could watch how close the landing plane was behind me. While waiting for takeoff , once the landing plane showed +8 (800 feet above ) I knew it was time to takeoff or get off the runway. Arriving jets have a rate of descent of about 700 feet per mnute, so the +8 plane behind me was about one minute before touchdown.

[@jcheck6]

Good idea. I quit flying the Airbus in 2007 before ADS-B. I don't recall being able to see alts on other a/c like I can now on my RV-8. Could you do this before ADS-B?

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@jcheck6we still can’t have that displayed with ads-b. He is talking about TCAS, not ADS-B.

[@johnpipping3848]

I always used the TCAS to judge height/distance/time to touchdown of landing aircraft whenever I was at the holding point. (I was a Captain on Boeing and Airbus). I was also very conscious of being aware of what was on the approach, especially if there was any kind of delay on the runway. There are other clues too, in good weather you can see landing lights many miles away. If ATC goes silent, or start a long conversation elsewhere, maybe they are doing “other things” or have forgotten about you. As flight crew, you HAVE to be awake at these critical times.

[@stroguy]

My understanding is TCAS RA is inhibited at 1000’ or less and in the airport environment. But is the TCAS still displaying aircraft positions and altitudes? I think a simple assist at airports equipped with ASDE or other ground target systems would be to feed the same display or intel that ATC has to the cockpit.

[@jcheck6]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I understand he is talking about TCAS, I just don't remember seeing alts of other a/c down low using TCAS....might be age. Let me ask you this, can you see light a/c's alts on TCAS? I operate under Class B airspace in my light a/c and I can see all airliners (airspeed, alt, callsign) around me with ADS-B.

[@donwilson6617]

Thank you for your good work on this terrible event ...You always provide clear and concise information...

[@keithlarson9304]

Hello Mr pilot debrief. I have become quickly a fan of your channel. You pack more information into less than 10 minutes then anyone else by a long shot. Keep up the great work. Before you know it you'll be one of the very few Aviation KZbin superstars. You have an innate sense of how to do this.

[@kmg501]

It is a very sad and scary accident. My condolences to everyone effected by this event. I hope that lasting changes come that make this sort of event much less likely.

[@K1OIK]

It is all about you, as no one in the family will ever see your," condolences." You want to look like you care.

[@rmadridista369]

Apparently in the Haneda NOTAM it stated the Stop Bar lights from C1 to C14 (aka the entire intersection of RWY16L/34R) were out of service for 3 months. And the dash8 captain afterwards stated he insisted he heard he was cleared for take off, like bruh hmmm....... And also, if this was is the US, half of the people will def die, as people won't give a 💩 what flight attendants say. The Japanese were calm as and just making things easy for everyone to get off fast and safely. Only in Japan fr

[@pilot-debrief]

I should’ve read the NOTAMs…says every pilot after the one that applied to them becomes a factor.

[@HarryElliott]

You beat me to this. Here is the NOTAM for anyone interested. NOTAM J2253/23: Tokyo Haneda International Airport (RJTT) J2253/23 NOTAMN Q) RJJJ/QLRAS/IV/NBO/A/000/999/3533N13947E005 A) RJTT B) 2312271500 C) 2402211500 E) REF AIP SUP 225/23 ITEM TWY:2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12,13,33,38,44,54 TWY-CL-LGT FOR M1,R1,W11(BTN W AND R1)-U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR E10(BEHIND SPOT 53)-PARTLY U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR D5-U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR A(BTN W AND A2),A(INT OF W1),A1,A2(INT OF A),W1 -PARTLY U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR A16-U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR K(BTN SPOT 304 AND C),R(INT OF K)-U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR R(BTN K AND Y),R(INT OF Y)-PARTLY U/S STOP-BAR-LGT FOR C1 THRU C14-U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR T12,T14,Q,Q1,Q2-U/S TAXIING-GUIDANCE-SIGN FOR T12,T14,Q,Q1,Q2-U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR C(INT OF C3),C(INT OF C5)-PARTLY U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR T(BTN T2 AND SPOT 909),T(INT OF T4),T(INT OF T6) -PARTLY U/S TWY-CL-LGT FOR C3(INT OF RWY 16L/34R)-PARTLY U/S RAPID EXIT TWY INDICATOR LGT FOR D5-U/S

[@traveller_andrew]

Probably should've read the NOTAMs before posting a KZbin video talking about red stop lights. STOP-BAR-LGT FOR C1 THRU C14-U/S

[@bubba99009]

The lights are a non-factor since apparently he believed he was cleared to enter the runway anyway. Despite their acknowledgement to tower that they were to hold short at C5. He was lined up on the runway so knowing where the C5 threshold was wasn't the issue. Will be interesting to hear what is on the CVR when/if they recover it.

[@rmadridista369]

@@bubba99009 Yes the stop bar lights not working is a huge factor. ATC cleared them to hold short so the lights would illuminate red. Even if they thought they are cleared for take off, they would question why is the lights still red, then they should question ATC about it to confirm. A good pilot would've had good situational awareness.

[@pondponder]

Excellent info Hoover. The new background is so much better. Totally dig the F-18 and F-15 models.

[@Cre0leD1va]

Your explanation Anna description of this incident is excellent! These types of incidents always make me so apprehensive about flying, but somehow your explanation has allayed my fears... I pray for the families involved in this tragedy, as well as those affected by the earthquake and tsunamis just previously.

[@davemckansas4654]

For all the bad, the Flight Attendants got all of their passengers off. That's outstanding. Great crew.

[@Liynkx]

I can guarantee you if the passengers were mostly Americans they would all be trying to get their luggage and record everything on their phones

[@mtaylor3692]

This is by far the best "Debrief" on You Tube regarding this disaster ..Thanks Hover

[@billhart8729]

Hoover and Blancolirio are the best. Sometimes they pick up on different facts, so complement each other.

[@Thatkid1988]

Wow! I was waiting for this from you. Thanks 🙏🏾

[@hogey74]

The US in particular but also my country of Australia needs to massively upgrade our passenger briefings. It is a federal offense in almost every country to disregard the instructions of cabin crew. Yet a dangerous culture has been allowed to develop in which people ignore things like remaining seated, taking off high heels and grabbing overhead luggage during an emergency exit. Ignoring instructions has become common. As with the low covid death rate, the Japanese have demonstrated a superior ability to adhere to basic safety instructions.

[@GudieveNing]

Agreed re flying, but low COVID death rate has nothing to do with the behaviour of the Japanese, but a lot more to do with their vastly superior health and lifestyle. Hence so many live to over 100 too.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@GudieveNingno, it’s exactly why the Covid death rate was low there. Nothing to do with lifestyle. First of all, they always wear masks when they have a cold, so it was no big deal to get them all to wear it. Also, the most centurions live in Okinawa. My wife and her whole family are from Okinawa. Nobody there has a particular healthy lifestyle, just good genes.

[@BSenta]

The safety briefing is made 'fun' and not serious so nobody pays attention to it

[@michaelwalston9934]

@@GudieveNingJapan took Covid very seriously whereas the US did not. People regularly wear masks even before Covid so it wasn’t a big ask.

[@Vpmatt]

It’s my habit now to count rows to the nearest exit so I’m prepared which way to go, just in that one in several million chance I need to get out in a hurry.

[@Marcho978]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how well built that A350 was? It’s amazing how the main fuselage of the plane stayed intact despite ramming the Dash 8 at such high speeds and then being subject to a fiery inferno over 1000 degrees Celsius, which is roughly the temperature of a cremator. The sheer quality of that fuselage alone was probably a key reason why everyone on JAL516 survived; if there had been a major break in the cabin integrity during crash, those flames would have raced straight in, consumed most of the oxygen inside and left majority of passengers dead or with 3rd degree burns. It’s also pretty amazing how the rear landing gear didn’t collapse from the heat and stress of the crash; if that had happened, the plane would have likely tumbled out of control, broke into several pieces resulting in much more deaths. Also don’t forget that the emergency lights and slides worked when they were needed, which was probably another huge factor that saved everyone. If there’s anything positive to take away from all this, I’d expect a lot more firm orders for the A350 family after this incident.

[@GudieveNing]

Agreed. Same structural integrity as the Dreamliner.

[@ImionsaeXwb77]

are you an idiot, why do people keep saying how well built the 350 is, all planes are built well, if they didn't then they would Squoosh when they reach 30k Ft. Can we take a moment to appreciate how well built that Ford Yugo was....

[@Fastvoice]

Just to add that to the story: The captain left the plane as the last person on board - 18 minutes after the collision! AFAIK he was unharmed.

[@DrzewieckiDesign]

777 would handle that too. But 737 would break into 5 pieces 🙈

[@PRH123]

The fuel of the dash-8 igniting was scary, but the fuselage of the dash-8 passed under and was partially crushed by the fuselage of the 350, which stands pretty tall on its gear. So the impact forces were thankfully somewhat limited there. Of course the 2 fuselages being aligned led to the 350's nose gear collapsing. The dash-8 wings appear to have impacted the engine nacelles of the 350, which along with the fuel caused those to start burning. The fire actually propagated in the 350 very slowly, the dramatic tv images of it burning led to tv news impressions that it had immediately burst into flames, but it actually took like 10-20 minutes before that happened... So yes indeed the airframe came through the collision very well. Not sure if an aluminum widebody would have fared worse, but probably no better...

[@garyhannie6528]

I SO appreciate your experienced and expertly articulated commentary.

[@TingBie]

Thanks for your debrief! Very professional.

[@JohnR-NZ]

If someone getting their luggage or anything else between me and an exit door I could possibly be charged with assault when I do get off the plane 😱😱

[@prachuryyabaruah6551]

From what I've been hearing, the Dash 8 was handed off a different frequency 124.350 compared to the A350 on 118.725- which explains one of the reasons why none of the crews knew about the position of either aircraft. From a human factors point of view, it just highlights the swiss cheese model with the inoperative hold short lights at C5. Even with so many systems and procedures in place, it's near impossible to prevent all incidents.

[@neiltinley4858]

Interesting... I was listening to the Live ATC recording and thought I remembered hearing a "line up and wait" instruction within that timeframe for another aircraft on 34L, which is a different frequency and not part of the transcript provided. I'll have to go back and listen again...

[@jellybean8167]

What you have been hearing is quite correct capitain, keep listening and you might hear the the call, when it comes!

[@PRH123]

​@@neiltinley4858JAL179 about 21 seconds later was instructed to taxi to holding point C1 on 34R. But that's also a hold, not a takeoff clearance, so it's not likely the dash-8 confused it with instructions to them to taxi onto the runway.

[@neiltinley4858]

@@PRH123 Yep, I remember that radio call, but I was referring to an instruction related to 34L on a different frequency.

[@AriKolbeinsson]

Good point, interesting. That does suggest systemic issues with the handling of departures/arrivals. I assume that the Dash 8 was sent to a departure freq while the A350 was on either the main airport freq or some sort of arrival? Anyway, this highlights the need for radio frequency use that supports a shared situational awareness. But, of course, on a busy day that can backfire due to too much information. Design procedures to avoid lining up the holes in the cheese. It will be interesting to see any recommendations made after the report is finalised.

[@gonetoearth2588]

great analysis. best aviation analysis channel on the internet!

[@scottjuhnke6825]

Great information! Thank you!

[@youpattube1]

In case of emergencies, why don't airliners have an auto lock on overhead bins to prevent people wasting time getting their luggage ?

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Because it’s a bad idea

[@757MrMark]

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 $$$$$$ thats why.

[@On-Our-Radar-24News]

I want to know what was going on in the cockpit of the Dash 8 Coast Guard plane that kept the pilots distracted to the point of entering a active runway when they didnt have the clearance, then sitting on that runway for almost 2 minutes and hearing the Japan Airlines A350 clearded to land on the same runway they are lined up on?? This takes significant distractions as they would have been on the same frequency, the tower frequency, and hearing the same radio traffic as the A350. Unbelievable and is just the thing that the FAA and NTSB warned congress about less then 3 months ago. We have had near miss after near miss and it was all leading towards a major incident like this. It could have been much worse if instead of a Dash 8 sitting there, it was a 737 or a Airbus 320. At night there would have been no way for the Japan Airlines flight crew to see the Dash 8 on the runway until the very last minute and there was nothing they could have done to avoid hitting the Dash 8. At that point it's pure physics.

[@jdbrooks2226]

I heard that they also called that runway "C". Runway "C" had a different frequency. I don't know how that could be? But I heard that.

[@mikeclarke952]

Yes agree 100%, but he(they) were on an emergency relief mission due to the Earthquake just 24 hrs before, so must have been just too juiced up. No excuse I know, and it could have been so so much worse.

[@JesseCampbell0]

they may not have switched from ground to tower frequency in time to hear the landing clearance

[@On-Our-Radar-24News]

@@JesseCampbell0 They would have been on tower frequency to receive the hold short instructions. You dont get line up and wait, hold short or take off orders from the ground frequency.

[@PRH123]

The landing clearance for the 350 was given about 10 seconds before the coast guard plane was given taxi instructions. The comms for both were with Tokyo Tower, as noted in the transcript released today.

[@paramotorpilot1749]

Thank you, Hoover, for the video. You explain things brilliantly. R.I.P thoes who lost their lives.

[@justinsullivan5063]

First time watching your channel. I really like your style of putting it quick and to the point. Excellent description and good imagery to support it. Thank you.

[@mythicstreamz3497]

I live in Japan and I just landed in Okinawa from Narita when this happened. And yes top notch procedure handling is very important here. I feel safe flying any airlines in Japan knowing even in a mishap I can exit the plane safely and without delay.

[@foxxster3565]

We do know the status of the stop line lights. They were inoperative. There was a safety notice about this that the pilots should have been aware of. Several of the stop line lights on taxi ways to that runway were inoperative. Apparently the safety notice is still available on the airports website.

[@stevel4997]

NOTAM

[@traveller_andrew]

More specifically it was a NOTAMN for 34R: STOP-BAR-LGT FOR C1 THRU C14-U/S

[@bubba99009]

They would have been aware since they have to check the NOTAMs. Also not really an issue of knowing exactly where the C5 threshold was when they lined up right on the center line of the runway instead of holding short.

[@vincentgraffeo9030]

Best explanation video I have seen regarding this tragedy.

[@GaryAttaway]

Great job on this video. Best explanation about this accident that I've seen so far. I learned a lot. Thank you.

[@rcsutter]

I watched the video through the initial crash, to when JAL 516 came to a stop, and eventually burned up. Although the cabin materials are certainly flammable, the initial burn rate was slow enough to allow the passengers time to get off the plane. I'm sure that's by design. It even allowed time for passengers to rummage through the overheads one-handed whilst recording the whole event on their phone. Kudos to the engineers who designed those composites. Also to the fire crews on the scene, they sprayed foam like crazy to hold off the flames. 5 minutes later, not a soul would have survived the inferno.

[@PRH123]

Not sure the firefighters should be getting kudos, a long time went by before any truck with foam showed up, long after the plane had been evacuated. They are getting some criticism online from experienced airport rescue people.

[@x808drifter]

​@@sncy5303And what the BS with the passengers having enough time to rummage through the overhead bins. You're told before the plane even takes off to leave your shit there. The passengers were negligent and IMO this should be grounds to be blacklisted from flying ever again.

[@AriKolbeinsson]

@@sncy5303 "I do think though that overheads should be locked when an emergency occurs..." Yep, that would be a great safety feature!

[@dougbailey392]

@@PRH123agree, they lost the aircraft due to an internal fire, Im surprised with the amount of foam available and applied it should have been extinguished before nothing was left. I believe they went 100% defensive attack.

[@bc-guy852]

Brillian job on this review! Quick and from the look of it, totally makes sense. The practices put into action by the CREW were clearly responsible for saving HUNDREDS of lives. That is what they train for and I think the word 'miracle; is misused. But absolutely incredible effort and results.

[@paulmaxwell8851]

Um....no. Read the news. The crew was calm but painfully sluggish in reacting to the emergency. They were just lucky. This time.

[@SinergiaAlUnisono]

Perfectly explained !, thanks buddy.

[@kjh789az]

Thanks for your clear analysis and use of visual evidence. The best I have viewed or read.

[@scottmaz4063]

What a horrible accident. My condolences to their family and friends

[@K1OIK]

It is all about you, as no one in the family will ever see your," condolences." You want to look like you care.

[@Lily-A.O.]

I thought I read no life was lost. 😮

[@scottmaz4063]

@@Lily-A.O. 5 killed in coast guard plane. Pilot in serious condition

[@nigelreilly5029]

As a retired airline captain I am surprised that the JAL flight crew did not see the strobe lights of the Dash 8 parked on the runway. However, the cabin crew did a very astonishing and amazing job getting everyone off safely. I am full of admiration for this very professional cabin crew.

[@kukuc96]

I have seen a pilot in a different video say that hundreds of runway lights of various varieties make it very hard to notice that there are aircraft lights mixed in there.

[@thud9797]

The US Air crew at LAX in 1991 didn't see the Metroliner either.

[@topgun1457]

@@thud9797 the metro liner had most of there lights off since it was common practice to leave most of the lights off before that incident

[@Dismay992]

Air Canada Flight 759 almost landed on a taxiway at SFO, despite there being two 787s, a 737, and an A340 lined up right in the middle.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

As a retired airline captain you should surely be aware that it gets dark at night?

[@JD-xh3ex]

Great video as always Hoover.

[@ogbobbye]

really enjoy your channel and how you break down these crashs you and blancolirio both have a skill to give the the facts in a way that allows a laymen to understand the what why and how of a accident

[@larrykent196]

Sadly people lost their life in this, a heart felt accident, every life is precious. You did an outstanding job explaining this, thank you very much.

[@TheGlobalTravelr]

Excellent overview. What’s not known is the conversation in the Dash 8. Asian culture is always concerned about saving face. Meaning…the First Officer is not allowed to question the Captains’ decisions. RIP to the Coast Guard crew.

[@randyward2766]

Maybe. I know there have been accidents where this has been an issue and there has been a big effort to emphasis crew resource management principles to correct this.

[@snowgorilla9789]

​@@randyward2766like many changes in society, they may take generations. I would humbly suggest questioning a Senior Captain (Coast Guard) would be done by only the bravest

[@sludge8506]

@@snowgorilla9789 The change in the states was pretty immediate. What Randy wrote is absolutely true. Sure, there were probably a few pilots who didn’t like it. But, if your boss and the authorities are insisting on something, and your actions are being recorded, that’s a pretty good motivation.

[@johnstuartsmith]

From the JAL cockpit, it would be hard to see the Dash 8 amongst all the runway lighting and markings, but the Dash 8's First Officer should have checked the dark night sky to his right for oncoming bright landing lights before his plane turned onto the runway.

[@TheGlobalTravelr]

@@johnstuartsmith From the cockpit perspective, it would literally be impossible to see the profile of the Dash 8 against the touchdown zone lights until they are in the flair. Also my understanding that a notam had been issued on 12/27/23 that the “stop bar” was OTS or not functioning.

[@jamesadams893]

Wow pilot debrief I'm glad you did this video because nowhere else on the entire has there been any videos or information about this incident

[@andymcvean9631]

Hoover, this is the most concise and well augmented view if this incident . Thank you.

[@jguo]

Thanks for sharing your insights. This incident reminds me of the Linate Airport one in 2001 , which was far more disastrous. There are some aererial footages showing the wreckage of the Dash 8, which seems to be missing the wing and tail sections. Is it possible the Dash 8 had lined up for take off when the collission occured and the A350's engines clipped Dash 8's wings after the radome hit the T tail? It is a tragedy and a miracle at the same time.

[@gap9992]

I thought he said the Dash 8 was stationary for 45 seconds before the collision so must have been on the runway for that time

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Yes...that's exactly what happened.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

A very nice, quick, and I believe correct, assessment of the accident. It’s hard to believe this happened, but I think we have all been there when we have to reconfirm instructions, because you were just in the middle of running a checklist or changing an fms. By the way, one thing I disagree with, but it’s a small thing: in the USA, when getting taxi instructions to a runway, they don’t tell us to hold short. Only if you have to cross a runway. We would get “taxi to 25R via Delta, bravo, bravo 1”. They don’t tell us to hold short of the runway. I’ve also flown a lot in Asia and in this example, they would say to taxi to Holding point Bravo 1 and they mean the hold short line. If they don’t say “holding point” they want you to stay on the main taxiway and not make the turn unto Bravo 1 (or this case C5). They want you to stop before that.

[@scetchport]

Great work, so quick off the mark Hoover. You know your stuff. Happy new year from Australia.

[@timthomas8153]

This comment is not just for this debrief, but but all your debriefs. I,m a Canadian Private pilot, and I appreciate hearing educated debriefs. You take the drama out, and just give us the facts. Without a lot of unnecessary words. Thanks.

[@rickr530]

Didn't we develop the "Hold short runway xx" phrase precisely to clarify and emphasize the "hold short" part and avoid runway incursions? I think it would be better if all countries used the same, clear phraseology and force the pilot to read back "hold short".

[@mostevil1082]

He did read back holding point. The terminology is different but equally clear.

[@TheSjuris]

@@mostevil1082 there might have been safety lights that were malfunctioning on the end of the taxiway. There’s a chance that the Dash 8 didn’t totally realize he was partially on an active runway.

[@aszmankasmani3964]

It strikes me as incredible that for an industry extensively using sensors transponders, radars, computers, automation etc for flight safety use very little of it to manage airport runway operations. Sensor and transponder-based systems can easily automate tracking and monitoring of on-ground planes' positioning and even control access to critical points onto or off from runways etc. Instead we rely on voice communications between human controllers on towers and on planes, who trust that the other will do things right all the time. Such a naive belief

[@TheSjuris]

@@aszmankasmani3964 they have tech at US airports. Doesn’t stop these things from coming close to happening. The pilots still have to pay attention to what’s going on. The Japanese coast guard didn’t.

[@andrewplumb6544]

​@@TheSjurisThat really is wishful thinking. Yes the red stoplights were NOTAM inoperative, but they were not the only indicator of the holding point. The Dash 8 was using a taxying light too.

[@nicknick7052]

As I commented in another thread I have been based in Japan for some years just before the Covid and I am very familiar with the local ATC habits. It's hard to speculate but I have my personal opinion. I can just say that the Japanese people take the work very seriously and they are really professional at all levels of the organization: the astonishing JAL evacuation proved it. From the COMMs, I just want point out that the Dash-8 never heard any traffic on final for 34R since they were transferred from Ground to Tower. They heard about the JAL166 as number 2 instructed to reduce speed due to departure AND the tower cleared the Dash-8 few seconds before as "number 1" (to taxi) to C5. Other traffic was instructed as number 3 to C1; we don't know about number 2 to taxi. I do believe what in psychology is called "high expectancy" had a tragic influence in the safety of the airport. My condolences to the Japanese Coast Guard guys and their families.

[@henryerrol1]

Great analysis, 🙏🏾

[@eric55406]

Great video explaining this disaster. I'm learning a bit from your videos but it's also interesting to see how a couple of mistakes can line up to make a major disaster. Maybe I will get trained and fly someday but probably not looking to go into these big busy airports!

[@mikoto7693]

I think that it would be prudent for all airline passengers to fly keeping a few essentials on their body-in pockets or a pouch that hangs around your neck or a pouch around the waist. Wallet, passport, papers, phone and whatnot. Keep those essential things that you can’t live without on your person so if you have to evacuate in an emergency you can just jump up and go! Oh, and wear your seatbelt even you’re in your seat at all times. It’s funny, when I first flew as a teenager my teenage mind went. “If I have to wear a seatbelt in the car, I should wear it on a plane.” Being aware that planes can go up and down as well as forwards and left/right. So I loosened it a little so it was comfortable and forgot all about it. I found it strange that only me and my younger brother wore ours. But there you go.

[@alexandermarken7639]

My Aunty who was a frequent international traveler used to talk about the importance of a Bum bag or under the clothing wallet that carried travellers checks and possport etc that meant all important documents would be on your person all the time. Now this was before the digital era and I still see her advice as pertinent. imagine you have a mobile phone in your pocket that fulfills all your needs re banking, then you have a passport and medical data. If those are the only two things you take in an emergency you can contact people, get consular assistance and id yourself. In my case I would have a list of medications and how often I take them in the countries language and a spare prescription again valid. then again I am always overorganised.

[@gerardacronin334]

Last winter I got caught in a series of storms and cancelled flights and had to take a 6 hour bus ride home on icy mountain highways. I was one of the few passengers who wore seat belts. 24 hours later a bus going in the opposite direction rolled and overturned on the same mountain highways and four people were killed. They were not wearing their seat belts. Everyone who was wearing seat belts was OK.

[@gerardacronin334]

Keeping one’s passport/ID/phone on one’s person is great advice and I am going to take it in future.

[@matzmn]

A very good advice. Even though we are told to leave our belongings behind, certain things like wallet, passport, phone etc are essential especially if we are in a foreign country. Keep them with us at all times.

[@Inkling777]

You're right about the importance of not having to reach overhead or underneath to get any must have. For that, travel vests with lots of pockets can be handy. There are even a few that'll hold a full-sized iPad.

[@RobertoRMOLA]

I know Japan as a pilot (Osaka - RJBB) and noticed a long time ago that English spoken by japanese can be a problem... in Japan! Specially among japanese! It seems to me that local terminology associated with bad comprehension of English could be contributor factors (my two cents).

[@robertwatson818]

I have always suspected this could be or was a problem. English as the universal control tower language brings instant problems because of the heavy accents and voice inflections found among the world's languages.

[@sludge8506]

Yeah, there’s a lot of things that could have contributed to this. Thanks.

[@PRH123]

As a pilot, what would you think of a system that would transmit clearances and instructions in a text based transmission...?

[@RobertoRMOLA]

@@PRH123 You kidding, right? That's called ACARS - (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) and, certainly, Japan Airlines has it (but JCG don't, I think).

[@PRH123]

@@RobertoRMOLA ah, no not kidding…. just not aware…. do ATC now give clearances and instructions over ACARS…? When I was a ramp manager it was being used only for internal company messaging…. but that was awhile ago :)

[@dave1ahc]

Finally somebody that has gotten all of the terminology down and all of the information out to us that we have so far a lot of the news agencies were actually calling it runway C5 of all things or runway C I guess they don’t have any kind of expertise advising them about terminology whatsoever. Thanks for your good work that was a really good one the best youtube on the subject so far.

[@ttrguy9952]

Awesome channel! Thank you.

[@vbertrand]

I’m puzzled that TCAS wasn’t able to prevent this. I’m a Dash-8 pilot myself, and turning on the transponder (which triggers TCAS) is part of the line-up sequence. If they indeed taxied onto the runway thinking they were cleared to hold onto the runway, a traffic from behind should be in the back of your mind constantly, which is a more than good enough reason to have you TCAS active so it can « see behind » what you can’t with your eyes. Very sad.

[@Fastvoice]

TCAS doesn't work under 1000 feet.

[@skayt35]

Maybe the Coast Guard doesn't use TCAS because it's military? But anyhow, the Dash-8 pilots might very well have been fatigued as the earthquake occurred almost 30 hours before this terrible accident.

[@Fastvoice]

@@skayt35 Coast Guard in Japan is not part of the military. The Dash-8 was not equipped with an ADS-B transponder.

[@vbertrand]

TCAS will not provide resolution below 1000 feet, but the advisory still works. For instance, when I line up and turn transponder/TCAS on, I can see traffic while still on ground and maintain situational awareness. Also, the A350 should've been able to get the same advisory from their TCAS (no resolution) and elected to go around. Considering that the Dash-8 stood on the runway for 45 seconds (supposedly), that could've given enough time to resolve the situation.

[@PRH123]

​@@FastvoiceADS-B isn't TCAS though. Just saying :)

[@noelinsley8057]

I saw another report that said that the Dash-8 didn't have its ADS-B system on which would make it blind to the A350 and ATC and other aircraft. I don't know how true this is, but if it is, then the Dash-8 crew made a major stuff up, along with everything else.

[@FougaFrancois]

Keep up the D-brief ! Very helpful.

[@finderskeepers7293]

Very well explained. Thank you.

[@Old_Foxy_Grandpa]

KevBot M is exactly correct. The Japanese people are very rule-oriented and will do as instructed without thinking too much. That's exactly why everyone on the JAL airliner survived.

[@yamakawa511]

I'm sure they were thinking...but they retained their self control, didn't selfishly rush for the exits, didn't open the overhead lockers and correctly followed the instructions of the cabin crew. Great work by all the crew and the passengers to ensure that no lives were lost on the A350. Y

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

How do you know that they didn’t open the lockers or get up from their seats?

[@yamakawa511]

They obviously got up from their seats to exit the aircraft but they did so at the direction of the cabin crew. There are numerous eyewitness reports and some video. Y@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

[@TheSecondWitness]

Airports are notorious for having multiple intersecting runways, taxiways, and ramps. Signage must be followed extremely carefully, along with instructions from ground control and tower. There are just too many opportunities for a breakdown of communication, missing a turn, reading a sign wrong, the list goes on. The aviation community needs to step back for a second and look at the incredible complexity built into an airport. Any logical analysis would conclude with the admission that these complex and dangerous messes, known as airports, need to be cleaned up, and simplified, and properly lighted and signed to allow safe and easy traffic flow, as we move forward into the next century of flight. It is ridiculous, it is out of control, whoever devised this plan is an absolute idiot, and now the work must begin to clean up the mess.

[@randyward2766]

Everything is lighted an signage is appropriate. I think this is more likely pilot error than runway design.

[@TheEventRecorder]

BEST Briefing I've seen on this!

[@personalcollection4751]

Been waiting for this one

[@petebehm5463]

The ONLY reason everyone got out of the aircraft in time is because the passengers were probably all Japanese. if this happened in the U.S. it would be like the 3 stooges trying to get out thru the same door and 150 people would have perished.

[@kitburns1665]

With their luggage. . . .

[@CameronFraserACHF]

The orderly evacuation of the US Airways flight that landed in the Hudson would suggest otherwise.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

@@CameronFraserACHF That's probably a better point of comparison than the Spirit evacuation debacle, given the impact that perceived urgency has on people's behavior. If those same passengers actually feared for their lives, they may have been more inclined to obey the flight attendants and evacuate without delay -- that they were more concerned about saving their luggage than getting off the plane indicates that they didn't feel like their lives were in immediate danger. (That's not to say that the Spirit passengers' assessment was correct... just that if they saw flames outside the windows rather than in an engine, they'd be a lot more motivated to leave!)

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

It took 18 minutes to evacuate this aircraft

[@dennisnguyen8105]

I warms my heart to see my fellow Americans on that Spirit Airlines plane exercising their rights and caring for their precious carry on luggage. When you contrast this with the Japanese passengers abandoning their personal belongings and running away from their luggage like cowards, you have an appreciation of how great Americans are compared to the Japanese. We worked hard and earn enough money to buy these worldly possessions and we will not give them up so easily. As a proud American, I know that if I was in a similar situation and I have to decide whether my 22 inch Tumi spinner goes with me down the emergency chute or a child, you can bet that you'll see me at the bottom of that chute rolling away with my Tumi as I text my lawyer to begin suing the airline.

[@paulrun111]

Lmao

[@jayfrank1913]

I like it. I hope others will detect the sarcasm. These days people miss even the most obvious examples!

[@DerekJohnson-us7vy]

@@jayfrank1913 Deplorables don't get sarcasm or satire. Sad.

[@learjet3871]

Excellent debriefing!

[@pibbles-a-plenty1105]

Thank you, Hoover. An excellent, detailed analysis. Yes, it was a major tragedy when five crew members of a life saving service are killed by a simple mistake. These mistakes with loss of lives will continue until major technology and design improvements are made at airports, big and small.

[@aptroed]

Man, your review is tops!

[@relic69]

That you for the best description of events. Very complicated

[@Mr_Spliffy]

Very interesting thankyou sir

[@siuyu1936]

The best analysis of this tragic accident 👍