Heated Conversation Between The Queen and Margaret | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Gillian Anderson)

[@JoshyKel]

It's always a treat to see two incredibly talented actors/actresses who have mastered their craft volleying and playing off each other in a scene. It's a real treasure.

[@keithh2028]

Gillian Anderson straight up took that Emmy Award with this performance and showed why even if you're the Queen of England, don't count on a winning an argument with her!!!!

[@idraote]

Anderson was absolutely brilliant but Thatcher's arguments remained feeble even in her rendition. And the Queen was justly less than impressed.

[@susanwaugh9711]

Queen of England? That was never an official title. She was Queen of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms from 6 February 1952 until her death in 2022 Please have respect for all other countries that make up the UK and the commonwealth.

[@keithh2028]

@@susanwaugh9711 Actually her official title within the UK was "Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith." But who's counting 🙂

[@susanwaugh9711]

@@keithh2028 Yes, she had many. My point is Queen of England wasn’t one of them. I am not in any way insulting England. I live in England, I’m half English myself via my dads side and my children were born here, but I am explaining to the OP that there was no such title.

[@bayousbambino427]

The UK is part of the Commonwealth and Elizabeth held unique monarchical titles in every country of which she was queen. Please be respectful of countries that aren’t the UK.

[@thegenxgamerr]

The best part of this show for me as a gen xer was seeing the interactions between the queen and thatcher. I remember the 80's well, my father was a political junkie and he used to talk about it at the dinner table all the time. What a great performance here, I know Anderson killed it but Olivia Colman captures the kind of believable regal restraint. What a brilliant scene.

[@theflyingfool]

Gillian Anderson is a fantastic actress, as is Olivia Coleman.

[@kentexas]

Best actresses to portray their characters in the series. Later episodes paled by comparison.

[@misterwhipple2870]

And she looks really good naked, too!

[@PrincessofErised]

The irony of this scene is delicious. Olivia Coleman played Margaret Thatcher's daughter Carol in "The Iron Lady". Thatcher also talked to her daughter like this and favored her son Mark above all things.

[@Roz-y2d]

Not because she loved him more than her daughter, but because she preferred the company of men to women. Her entire cabinet was men! That was her choice.

[@Emma88178]

Very true, she was the ultimate pick me of her time. Internalized misogynist that she was.

[@fernandafortes3782]

Margaret didn't help women during his mandate. I believe she saw herself as a rule to the exception.

[@waleskaaddams]

​@@Roz-y2d 🙄🙄🙄

[@briLady7]

"--And South Africa". Those last 3 words from Thatcher let the Queen know she was being played from the start. That's why her facial expression changed and she tersely said, "Of course." The entire, real reason why Thatcher rejected that speech until the word "signals" was used....was so that their actions against South Africa wouldn't ruin her son's business venture. It was not the people in need. It was for her son. And the Queen fell for it.

[@SymphonyBrahms]

Not in reality. I'm sure that the queen knew all about the son's sordid little business in hateful racist apartheid South Africa.

[@blurdreamer]

her son doing business sure hired local, if his business hurt so does the local worker too. Thatcher just being realistic, she would do the same even if her son not doing business there.

[@davidlynch9049]

Thatcher didn't support sanctions on SA, and neither did President Reagan because both considered the ANC as a Communist organization and the surrounding countries were also Communist. They were afraid SA would become Communist. Yes, they were both wrong, but the time influenced their choices.

[@davidlynch9049]

​@@blurdreamerIt wasn't the reason. 🙄 Do some homework.

[@thesoultwins72]

@brilady7.......The evil bitch Thatcher had the sheer temerity to proudly claim to the Queen's face - 'look after number one first'. Thatcher was completely shameless in using her position and power for personal gain. This is why she led Britain into a totally unnecessary and costly war over the Falklands. Very few people know this, but much of the Falkland Islands was owned at that time by a British company called 'Coalite' - who as the name suggests, dealt in fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas. The Falkland Islands and surrounding areas are extremely rich in these minerals. Equally importantly, the Falkland's are strategically vital as a staging post to the Antarctic - again, a region that has vast deposits of untapped resources. [indeed, this is why Reagan and the US became involved in the 'conflict' between Britain and Argentina - and had actually decided to support the Argentines against the British with military and financial aid]. So much for the 'special relationship'! So, despite all of Thatcher's rhetoric and bullshit over sovereignty and the 'will of the Falklanders' the real reason she was so determined to reclaim the islands was because her husband [Dennis Thatcher] sat on the board of Coalite - and IF the Argentines took control of the Islands, not only would Coalite be kicked off the Falklands, but would potentially lose a trillion-dollar business.

[@kaymantrotter]

the fact that they had Thatcher basically both start their "meeting" and say when it was done, all without saying those word speak volumes about the writing,staging, and acting of this series. Multiple conversation all happening at once.

[@katbullar]

I have watched this scene 50 times. What a masterpiece!

[@nathanbarnes3969]

The detail I really like is they never quite let each other finish their sentence, just cutting in before the other finishes the last word

[@JustanOzzie]

An absolute MASTERCLASS in acting from these two 🎉

[@tharqal2764]

"the explorer" was just savage. I had to laugh out loud when watching that episode

[@paulwild3676]

The Queen had caustic one-liners. She was a naturally gifted Comedienne. Thatcher didn’t get humour. Too busy destroying our country’s industrial base, with her ridiculous policies. For all her bragging, unemployment under her stewardship remained at its highest since the 1930s, and inflation never fell below 4 percent. Her track record is abysmal.

[@kittiepride7772]

@@paulwild3676 Sadly I have concerns that if a certain candidate wins the US presidency she will be another Margaret Thatcher and our country will probably suffer more then it already has, being the first woman president or the first woman of color should in no way be the reason people vote for her but the simple minded do as they are told.

[@rudyrobles8294]

@@kittiepride7772 people like you have the strange talent to make every single thing about trump.

[@raffiart5121]

@@kittiepride7772 The two women share neither values nor policies. Yet, you assume Harris will be another Thatcher for US just because she is woman?! Thatcher was a conservative. She believed in small state and free market. Harris is a democrat with liberal views. The two have almost nothing in common. Yet leave it to Trump cultists to make everything about their glorious leader Trump the great! The loser who inherited hundreds of millions from his wealthy dad and his only accomplishment is pretending to be successful on a reality show almost like Kim Kardashian!

[@samisfun868]

@@kittiepride7772 wtf?

[@meerkat7406]

Gillian Anderson nailed it. Super performance.

[@evelina2363]

“Nobody would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions.”

[@jambireyes8968]

One cannot eat platitudes, after all.

[@faithlesshound5621]

That was part of her "Sermon on the Mound" to the Church of Scotland, and she repeated it just before the IRA bombed the Tory Party's annual conference in Brighton. The backlash against her was muted due to the carnage.

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

Yes they would have they would have remembered his intent to help because without it he would never have tried in the first place and even if he had failed his compassion would have been remembered nobody would have remembered the Good Samaritan if he had simply walked away.

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

@@jambireyes8968 One wouldn't receive (by charity ) if people didn't have " platitudes" like compassion

[@misterwhipple2870]

@@DavisJ-ln6fw We don't need charity nor compassion any more. We have Taxation now . . .

[@justinallen3189]

It was widely known that this was the low point of their relationship. They were never overly friendly to each other, but there was respect. Of course this is a dramatization so how this conversation really went we don't really know, but no doubt it was candid.

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

You don't know if they respected each other, you English talk such bollox

[@justinallen3189]

@BruceLee-fd7uw I am not English and you are right we don't know how they truly felt but they were respectful of each other in public.

[@ajithsabu7425]

@@justinallen3189 What other option did they have? They weren’t supermodels maligning each other for Page Six fodder; they were senior stateswomen who had to be respectful towards one another for the stability of the country.

[@blindeye1258]

Thatcher was one of the few PM's who had the Queen attend her funeral, so there was clearly a substantial level of respect between them

[@davidsimpson9647]

​@@blindeye1258The Queen was pressured to go.

[@TorrentUK]

Two incredible women of history, being played by two incredible women of today.

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

Neither one one was incredible 😅

[@TorrentUK]

@@BruceLee-fd7uw more incredible than you will ever be 🤣

[@BruceLee-fd7uw]

@@TorrentUK Very doubtful

[@dennissilber287]

There was nothing incredible about Queen Elizabeth II. She accepted a role she never asked for and sacrificed the option of living a life pursuing any of numerous possibilities as most of us do. These people have constipated imaginations yet they believe they are serving their subjects by living a life constrained by artificial “duties” no one ever asked them to take on. It’s the 21st century for god sakes and these people are still carrying the torch for the Middle Ages. They are fabulously wealthy as a result though none of them has EVER done a hard days productive work.

[@squares4u]

@@TorrentUK a childish response to a valid argument

[@mrskenscott9643]

"Im sure a clarification will soon be forthcoming".. I know the show is 'based on real events'.. But the above quote ranks up there with the genuine.. "Recollections may vary." "There were 3 ppl in this marriage" "Annus Horribilis" "Come on Margret" "The woman I love" "Im damned if Im an alien.

[@warwolf6359]

This is has to be Gillian Anderson’s greatest role. Riveting.

[@brandonsarvis6459]

Well they need only read the Sunday times, it will give them no doubt as to your position.😌 Well said. 4:26

[@marklaborde3199]

She is at her most excellent in this role. Also on Scoop. She played the interviewer to Prince Andrew.

[@billythedog-309]

Actually it's quite a poor impression, all on one tone.

[@fayesouthall6604]

Loved Scoop very much

[@junkboxxxxxx]

I never knew how much we owed to Her Majesty to hold back Mrs T

[@pacnwguy9056]

Thatcher was a force to be reckoned with. The look on Elizabeth's face when she stood and Thatcher waited a few moments to follow suit...YIKES!

[@timhazeltine3256]

Thacher lacked a functioning conscious and was a truly awful human being.

[@StarrlaRo]

Thatcher was a horrible leader....cold as ice.

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

​@@StarrlaRo no doubt her period came out in ice cubes she was that cold

[@morbius109]

Thatcher was formidable, but the Queen was more than a match for her. Thatcher was her eighth PM and it isn’t like she hadn’t done such a dance of disagreement with other PMs several times before. The PM comes and goes, but The Crown endures.

[@syruscoy1244]

@@StarrlaRo She was the perfect leader. Only man-children and people for the streets want a lying cuddling harlot to lead them.

[@richardkrilljr.8711]

Two phenomenal actresses going at it - great scene. Probably my favorite season looking back….mostly because of these two women.

[@peterbassey9668]

She had Thatcher's voice nailed to a T. Couldn't have sounded anymore Thatcherlike.

[@zedzed3533]

You mean her fake voice?

[@cjmundo1178]

@@zedzed3533 Well of course it's fake. It's called acting, which is all about fakery,

[@alanbarnes4991]

I grew up in the UK when Thatcher was Prime Minister - Gillian Anderson nailed it. I get flashbacks watching this scene. The voice, the inflections, the mannerisms and the sheer force of personality... incredible.

[@golden-63]

@zedzed3533 Yes. We call that A-C-T-I-N-G.

[@williamboo9017]

Noone would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions….he had money also.

[@alicemi4155]

Noone would remember the Good Samaritan if Jesus hadn't told the story of his mercy and kindness. It's not all about money

[@williamboo9017]

@@alicemi4155i totally agree. Fascinating piece of The Word. I don’t know why I quoted it like that but this bit of dialogue was found at about three minutes and 45 seconds.

[@SymphonyBrahms]

That was Thatcher's golden idol. Money.

[@goodgod77]

@@alicemi4155 i think the main point about the Samaritan was the Samaritans and the Jews did not get along. i might be wrong

[@misterwhipple2870]

Take THAT, Beeeyatch! The Queen was a good woman, yes, but she had nooooooooooooo real experience of the real world.

[@BriteLake]

I haven't seen The Crown in its entirety, but I find these little excerpts so satisfying. Two great actresses with a well-written script.

[@bodyloverz30]

"and a businessman in South Africa!"

[@TJD63]

Agree with many. No way would thatcher speak to the queen in that manner. Honesty and straight forward yes, confrontational and condescending, no.

[@1javixD]

lol this is a television show BASED on englands monarchy.

[@TJD63]

@@1javixD and your point? I think we all know what it's based on but thanks for taking the time to remind us. This is a comment and opinion section, not Wikipedia.

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@1javixD Yu use that word based, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

[@SimonDeBelleme1]

In public, no. In private, I think she was capable of anything.

[@us-Bahn]

If this dramatization is even half accurate the Queen would have dissolved Parliament, appointed a replacement government and a new prime minister as well.

[@psg5124]

The performance is absolutely excellent but I can't imagine in real life that the prime Minister would stand over.. demean.. over talk and be downright rude as hell to her majesty .. I can tell you right away her Majesty would have told her to sit down shut up or remove herself from my sight immediately it just most simply would not have happened.

[@glen7318]

of course not, what rubbish. Mrs T was said ot have great respect for the monarchy

[@justinbowers2749]

That’s because the creators have a hate boner for Mrs T and want to portray her as in much a negative light as possible

[@markdunham9634]

Of course not. Royal protocol would never have allowed for it and her late Majesty was not known to be a pushover. This is a dramatization of an event that likely never happened. The late Baroness Thatcher was known to have enormous respect for the Crown so the thought likely never would have crossed her mind.

[@justinbowers2749]

The late Thatcher would be appalled by the behavior of this Thatcher land would give her a firm tongue lashing

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

@@justinbowers2749 That being said, this show was the only one ever to make me even feel the slightest sympathy for Thatcher, when the family take her up to Balmoral.

[@yvonneplant9434]

The queen telling Thatcher that she was a tribal leader who wore eccentric outfits sometimes was one of their best scenes. It demonstrated that the queen understood who she was to the people on those islands historically speaking. That she felt a connection to the indigenous Celts, and everyone else, who came afterward.

[@dennissilber287]

This is a movie. I presume this conversation was documented somewhere, perhaps in a memoir by Margaret Thatcher. It makes sense that the sovereign is expected to refrain from making statements supporting one political position or another. However if the observations concerning Thatcher made by the Queen about which Thatcher was upset are based on fact the Queen was correct. Thatcher was a cold blooded conservative whose only concern was that the UK functioned according to her vision and if the people were incidentally well served as a result then all the better. She was a consummate politician but her number eventually was up.

[@Teenibash1969]

Outstanding acting.

[@BenRobinson1974]

The QUeen didn't lie, she was spot on about Thatcher.

[@dennissilber287]

That’s why Thatcher was so pissed. The Queen honored her responsibility to not take a position on a political issue. She merely spoke the truth about Thatcher who was cold and without compassion. She was the consummate traditional British economic liberal (not to be confused with what liberal means in the U.S.) who favored private industry and let the chips fall where they may for the working class. Thats why she and Ronald Reagan had such an affinity for each other.

[@indiathylane2158]

I wouldn't have cared if HM lied. A vile ⋐uп₮ like Thatcher didn't deserve the respect truth delivered.

[@signatureroles]

Gillian Anderson is finally showing the world the range within characters. She’s on the greatest Actors as Artists, ever.

[@proflcr8779]

Gillian Anderson is a fantastic actress! She reminded me why I hated Thatcher so much.

[@jct35j]

LOL🤣😂🤣😂

[@kierank1982]

There's no way in a million years that Thatcher would have been that rude to the Queen. However, the sentiments she felt about the country are very accurate.

[@blairrobert3438]

Take your tongue out of her arse. She was looking after her corrupt son.

[@richardlionheart3965]

absolutely no way she would have ever spoken to the Queen in that manner, pure invention.

[@scottfarley3644]

The Hell she wouldn't! NO one was above Her. She reminded the Queen of that and the Queen understood.

[@Bariom_dome]

Well, those were private comversations so... they might as well have.

[@Twentythousandlps]

The creators of the series hate Thatcher for the usual reason and this is the made-up result. She would not have made an enemy of the Queen, though she might have made a reference to the article.

[@uberdjura4003]

@@scottfarley3644 She was by defintion and position, beneath her. Margaret Thatcher was Elizabeth II's Prime Minister, the UK is a constitutional monarchy, In theory, if Elizabeth had decided to use her special governmental powers, she could have even forced her to resign. Besides, she was corrupt as all fuck. the UK isn't in any better state after years of conservative leadership.

[@anyaw340]

@@Twentythousandlps Maybe it's because I'm not British, but how did the creators make Thatcher look bad here? If anything, it makes her look more admirable. The Queen is well-loved, but most people do not respect unquestioned deference to an individual who is just a lowly human being like the rest of us, particularly when that individual was merely born into their position, and never had to earn her way to it. I abhor Thatcher's political ideology and believe it only leads populations and countries to ruin, but this scene made her look great. It makes her look like a strong, intelligent woman who won't be intimidated by or made a fool of by a title - where she posses true superiority of intellect and ability, and does not need a title to protect or defend her.

[@apngeram]

I catch myself watching this every so often. Amazing amazing acting!!!

[@naylorbroughton1159]

These two played their roles superbly!

[@Phoenix67614]

I don't believe for a minute any PM would speak to the late Queen in this manner. This is simple dramatisation !

[@blurdreamer]

The Queen is advisor to the PM, ofcoz its gonna be disagreement like that sometime. Why so hard to believe?

[@Phoenix67614]

@@blurdreamer The Queen is the Head of the state. There are limits on how they are addressed.

[@mountainblanc3200]

These are just possible events that might have taken place, in reality no PM in their right mind would reprimand the Queen like that.

[@andrewnorth6472]

@@mountainblanc3200 Why not? In the 2006 "The Queen" the then UK prime minister, Tony Blair, finally loses patience with the royal family's obduracy and cold-hearted attitude to the death of Diana and informs the Queen that a large number of people wish to see the monarchy abolished outright; that shakes her to the core and makes her change her attitude. Even heads of state have to yield sometimes.

[@arseface2k934]

yes it is dramatisation. you're watching a tv show

[@BatPierrot]

Elizabeth straight up threw her publicist under the bus by not taking responsibility for her statement against Thatcher

[@patriciaa4451]

1:49 the Royal eye roll is sending me 😂😂😂

[@carmendibella8427]

This show from what I’ve watched, is so real and well written and the actors play their parts beautifully. The actress who plays Diana I think is so spot on. Very talented cast and beautiful show

[@RigsbyPiggyBoy]

Olivia and Gillian are both great actors!

[@GeroldAtkins]

WOW! Did not know this was Anderson

[@vsings1091]

"This IS the business--the only business" is where you knew she was about to give this woman an education.

[@daniels7907]

Thatcher was a hypocrite who preached self-reliance but had a web of relationships, including within her family, which she used her elected office to benefit even as she looked down on those who did not also have such high political connections to help advance themselves. She showed no sympathy for all the people she left unemployed, but was enraged when *she* lost *her* job. It did not please her to discover that she too could become unemployed by the will of anyone other than herself. But there is a saying: Every political career ends in failure.

[@SceneArtisan]

The (proverbial, obviously) BALLS on Thatcher in this scene,. holy jingles!

[@dennissilber287]

Don’t confuse self centered arrogance with balls.

[@indiathylane2158]

Pathological entitlement & desperate, do-anything self-interest. Stooping to claiming she only wanted to keep her job for the good of the country! I can't think of the proper words to describe her hubris, self-absorption & lack of principles.

[@SceneArtisan]

@@indiathylane2158 And Blair was,.... ?

[@Steve-wf3vv]

Actually, we can’t know for sure. It’s possible the queen would have actually appreciated an honest discussion from someone not intimidated by her. Finally, the queen could have had her forcibly removed, but the huge stir it would have caused in the media would have been a headache that the queen would not have wanted. So it’s possible the queen may have tolerated what could be interpreted as disrespect, simply because too vulgar of a display of power would put the monarchy in a bad light.

[@declanjones556]

No she couldn’t if the chief embezzler attempted a coup she would be prevented from future embezzlement Edit: I thought you meant the office. But then again who’s going to physically remove the person who signs their checks

[@kefinkamed]

That assessment of Thatcher was spot on.

[@idraote]

"uncaring, confrontational and socially divisive... that I lack compassion, ... my government has done irretrievable damage to the country's social fabric". Yep, sounds accurate if incomplete.

[@suemount6042]

Pretty much sums it up doesn't it idraote. Thatcher wasn’t ever going to be one of us wherever she came from or how supposedly humble that was. As for her government ........

[@lisahuber9329]

@@suemount6042 The absolute hypocrisy of her to say that her father didn't give her titles, only grit - meanwhile she is using her power as the highest ranking politician to boost her son's businesses. But no one else in the country deserves a helping hand according to her.

[@AzguardMike]

@@lisahuber9329 did her father make her PM? Did her father bestow the title PM? where as the Queen was GIVEN the title. Her children and grandchildren were GIVEN titles.

[@aeraxxis]

​@@QUINTBLINTFake news

[@MsJubjubbird]

When you are given something, you can be made to appreciate how less fortunate others are. When you succeed to obtain something, you can think "well I worked hard, why can't you?" Forgetting that opportunity and the ability to recognise opportunity are cruci

[@Xfranman]

Any sensible appreciation of these two strong, self-assured women would lead, I think, a reasonable person to conclude this is fantasy based on deduction from rumor. Thatcher would have been much more respectful and Elizabeth much more forthcoming. Neither were reticent about their opinions but understood their roles well. They'd have learned to accommodate.

[@Thierry_Nawar]

"They need only read the Sunday Times. It will give them no doubt as to your position." BURN !

[@FERDINANDVSLVCIVS]

I don't know what's scariest: -The fact that a prime minister who refused to denounce an openly racist regime only to protect her son's precious business venture, only very thinly desguising her greed with a veneer of "realism" and "practicality", has gone on to become probably the most influential political figure of the past 50 years worldwide; -The fact that there are people who watch a show that makes this monster of a woman's intentions abundantly clear still feel confident to comment in SUPPORT of her, even in regard to this matter... OR -The fact that there are people who find it reasonable to defend a political system in which a sovereign is forced to bow down to this decision in the name of... "political neutrality"...

[@misterwhipple2870]

I don't know what's scariest: The South Africa of the 1980s or the South Africa of today. Be careful what you wish for, Hippie.

[@FERDINANDVSLVCIVS]

@@misterwhipple2870 That's it! Just found what's really scariest: people comfortable with missing 4p4rth31d...

[@FERDINANDVSLVCIVS]

@@misterwhipple2870 Now I know what's scariest: someone who thinks keeping a racist regime is worthwhile to avoid the risk of change!

[@FERDINANDVSLVCIVS]

@@misterwhipple2870 Yeah, now I know what's scariest: someone who find it reasonable to doubt that overthrowing 4p4rth31d was a good idea...

[@martino2794]

They're great actresses and it's funny entertainment but i doubt Madge ever spoke to HM in this manner

[@keithlillis7962]

Even thought this conversation is fictitious, it has reminded me just how much I loathed Thatcher.

[@KathleenMcNe]

The United Kingdom was fortunate to have Thatcher.

[@keithlillis7962]

@@KathleenMcNe Bollocks

[@SymphonyBrahms]

Thatcher was a hateful old hag.

[@AndyFurze]

R​@@KathleenMcNerubbish

[@whitewalker57]

She was the “Iron Lady” for a reason! And Gillian just absolutely nailed it. 👏 Bravo.

[@Gurkha73able]

Maggie honestly thought she was in the same league as Her Majesty

[@MeSamAlex]

No one would dare talk to the Queen this way.. Even if the constitution says bla bla bla. She was in the game longer than anyone, and it is a given that she has people in every branch of the government. And we all saw how PMs are so fragile, scandalous and easily disposable

[@seanbumstead1250]

The paper is completely right about her

[@loneprimate]

This is spectacular. So well acted that I cringe each time they land an gloved hit on one another.

[@alanconway94]

Well, those comments were, indeed, fair in regard to Thatcher. You could even argue they were mild.

[@KNByam]

I had no idea that was Gillian Anderson until I read the title halfway through.

[@RuralPennsylvania22]

I'd say her description of Thatcher as unfeeling, cokd and more as extremely accurate.

[@andrewburroughs1660]

This interaction demonstrates that political power in the U.K. lies squarely with the P.M. and not with the monarchy.

[@edgyguy7084]

True. U wanna know the worst part? U cant do shit when they runn "your country" into the ground...

[@Harshsharma-qj4bu]

Queen victoria would have done that as the times were different then

[@SymphonyBrahms]

Queen Victoria would have said, "We like Mr. Disraeli. But we despise Mrs. Thatcher!"

[@richardcleveland8549]

@@SymphonyBrahms Victoria was reported to have said of William Gladstone, "He addresses me as though I were a public meeting!" I believe this could have been repurposed to the QEII-Attila the Hen relationship. Certainly, the Tories had sunk to new depths since Disraeli's time.

[@izzat_izzudin7287]

Olivia Colman and Claire Foy are my favorites actresses to play Queen Elizabeth

[@Andy-mz1vo]

Queen Mary of Teck, grandma of Queen Elizabeth II, once told her granddaughter that "that's the Crown must always win....."; but not so with the Iron Lady in this episode.

[@jeciel85]

Olivia's eyes shows her anger towards Margaret. Great actresses.

[@patricktracey7424]

it must have been difficult for an unelected Queen to have been reminded of her actual position in the constitution and her actuel authority.

[@edgyguy7084]

I think what would be even harder is to realize that, no matter how hard u try and how greatly the politicians run your country into the ground, u , due to the constitution, are utterly helpless and have no choice but to see it through...

[@guydouglas6094]

That was savage! Great dialogue and acting by both ladies. It begs the question - was Margret Thatcher in real life anything like that?

[@blahdeblaaah9445]

Hearing an actor pretend to have a voice they don’t have and it being so glaringly obvious is not pleasing.

[@dennissilber287]

Go listen to a video of Margaret Thatcher. I thought Gillian Anderson’s Thatcher was right on the money. Granted it was Thatcher’s tone was being restrained by the decorum required when addressing the Queen but her words were not.

[@blahdeblaaah9445]

@@dennissilber287 I really should. I don’t remember what she sounds like .im sure the actor is doing a good mimic. I guess I just don’t enjoy hearing actors do that. Maybe it’s just me.

[@dennissilber287]

@@blahdeblaaah9445 That didn’t seem to be the case here. Che k out Meryl Streep in the same role and see if you feel the same way about her performance.

[@allenlegreid5412]

I loved this whole Crown series, this was especially very good part.😅

[@freezegopher7054]

That didn't sound like any heated conversation I've ever had..🤔

[@DiederikAms]

This conversation would never have happened this way. Wishful thinking of the makers.

[@frankhoffman3566]

I am across the pond with admittedly modest curiosity about British governance. Even so, I found both of these performances compelling and realistic.

[@dennissilber287]

What you mean is you know squat about how the government of one of the worlds major nations actually works. This means you don’t really get what is going on here.

[@frankhoffman3566]

@@dennissilber287 Let me see..... I know about the Magna Carta, the rise of Parliament, about Cromwell and about the English Civil War. I know about the advisory roles of the Crown and of the House of Lords.. I know about the British colonial past and about the Commonwealth of Nations. Finally, I know how UK rights are not based upon a written constitution but instead upon long-standing democratic customs. I leave it to others to decide if I have adeguate knowledge of the subject, sufficient to comment upon a performance of actors playing some parts.

[@iainmaley3319]

@@frankhoffman3566 Good level of knowledge, each one of those topics you noted are extensive in their own right. I'd recommend the comedy 'Yes Minister' to show how the politics really gets achieved in the modern era

[@CascadiaCalvert]

Anyone who annoys Maggie Thatcher should be considered royalty.

[@jennielastrada9421]

Ugh, Gillian Anderson was perfect!

[@msarzo]

It seems rather far-fetched for a sovereign to allow a prime minister to talk over her the way this version of Elizabeth allowed this version of Margaret Thatcher to.

[@gwilliam2731]

The sheer balls of that woman.

[@DB-po8rs]

Thats the iron lady the US fell in love with. Excellent scene.

[@edgyguy7084]

Seeing how the US treats their low income households, they may be her biggest fans... xD

[@JDSTUDY]

No way. This didn't happen. No way. Insulting the Queen??? Nah, allow it man. Man alive!!

[@raymondstover7071]

Coleman was Brilliant in The Crown and Anderson was Brilliant in the Crown. Love watching Coleman on Graham Norton she's hysterical 😅

[@zombiedude101z]

Thatcher's government did irreversible damage to the country's social and economic fabric which is still felt today. The midlands and north (which in many respects are culturally similar) have suffered especially for this. Selling off public services and utilities has led to stagnation where we have water + public transit where key components haven't undergone significant improvement in over 30+ years. Now every party that gets into power tries to emulate her politics in some form because so many see her as a figure to be respected rather than reviled despite the poor and working class (one and the same most of the time) and local business being worse off more than ever.

[@taylorburton5489]

Shut up 🤐

[@edgyguy7084]

Yeah. Now imagine the royal family seeing those same politicians run "their" country into the ground and knowing that, due to the constitution, they can do anything about that... Man, that must hurt..

[@colleens1107]

Gillian Anderson bravo. You made me hate someone you played. That’s not something I thought would happen way back in the X files day. GOD I LOVE HER

[@thesoultwins72]

It constantly astonishes me that Thatcher sycophants still admire her dogged resoluteness to 'always be right' and never backing down in an argument. Even though it was utterly ill-mannered, disgustingly disrespectful and just downright rude. Thatcher shamelessly invented the practice of 'always being right - even when you know you are not' that still prevails to this day.

[@michaelroberts7770]

Blah blah blah... All I know is the Dynamic Three, Reagan, Thatcher, And John Paul II changed the word... And that's all I need to know....

[@eudianamartinsofc]

Hey, good morning! 🌤️🥰

[@rickredmond2393]

Brilliant acting!!!!!!!

[@NightsMuse]

The good Samaritan is an example of a person of privilage bending to help a lower, a fact that is not lost to us listening to the now money owners telling us what to do.

[@jeciel85]

Such great actors.

[@sabarinath4524]

The jabs 😂😂

[@paulwild3676]

Colman is not convincing as the Queen. Anderson is astonishing as Thatcher, even the walk. This scene is ridiculous, there is no way any British prime minister would interrupt the Queen, or wave their finger at her, not even Thatcher. Nobody ever disrespected the Queen, ever. The comments about the Queen being given a title by her Father, are also not true. Thatcher was obsessed by the Queen. She put her on a pedestal. It is true that Labour Prime Ministers got on with the Queen better than Tory ones because they were more down to earth as the Queen was.

[@ropa2142]

Brilliant!

[@heartofoak45]

I just do not believe for one moment Thatcher would have spoken to The Queen in those terms. She would have been put into place in double quick time.

[@heartofoak45]

@@AmericasChoice Thatcher was a monarchist through and through and had total respect for the Monarchy and The Queen as a person. When Thatcher died at 87 The Queen wanted to give her a State Funeral which would have been the first one since Sir Winston Churchill, However, Thatcher expressed a wish to be cremated and therefore she was given a Ceremonial Funeral. Either way, it showed the respect the two women had for one another.

[@heartofoak45]

@@AmericasChoice No, I am an Englishman living in Yorkshire but born in Lancashire. Either way a great county.

[@dennissilber287]

@@AmericasChoice Boy, that’s really interesting.

[@amesavis]

compare thatcher, a smart, educated, tough woman, with who may be our first female president and it brings one to tears

[@GreatWhiteShark75]

"Oh look, our time is up." Nuke cloud forms

[@pvchandramouli7549]

its like they have to choose between position power and love. if they choose love, they have to live like commoner and if they choose power position they have to live life without love on earth.

[@mikepxg6406]

Hated Thatcher best day ever won she died. The queen will always have my respect and admiration.

[@ljront3126]

I agree with the queen, not to read the gossip of the newspaper, because it might bring chaos. But then for me personally, I can hardly speak with other people. I am trying to reach them and they feel distanced. Because everyone is locked in his own bubble and then I feel disconnected. I had no idea, what people are interested in, if I am talking about things, they are not interested in and they reveal themselves out of business. It makes all paradoxical. The queen is wise and aware, but cannot be with me in marriage. Although it seems perfectly logical.

[@sgtalstrafficticketblog2452]

Two different kind of queens on a cat fight. MEOW!!!!

[@bokesnmokes]

The Queen was 100% correct.