Scenic railway derail Margate Dreamland UK

Scenic railway derailed, causing some damage to the track and walk boards. In this video, I'll go over my thoughts about what possibly happened and what they will need to do to keep the ride running.
Thanks to Coasters'n Cocktails for letting me do the reaction to this video.
/ @coastersncocktails
• Dreamland Margate - Sc...

[@bakerfx4968]

Its quite interesting to see how slow and calmly the train stopped when there was that much damage done underneath

[@bisem433]

I watched the POV. What a delightful ride! At least it is being taken care of and appreciated unlike what is happening to Leap the Dips right now. 😪

[@hazza5999]

It's had a chequered past. We're lucky to still have it.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

I watched a behind the scenes video on this. It’s amazing. Even with a brake man it has magnetic brakes on the trucks! Crazy!

[@crooked-halo]

If Lakemont could afford it the park would be operating. They're in a poor location with too much competition, ineffective business practices, and not enough growth & expansion to remain open. Leap The Dips had a specialized, dedicated crew of craftsmen working on and maintaining it, who completely rebuilt the ride and had the special skills required to keep it running. A couple of parks have their eyes on Leap The Dips as a possible relocation project should Lakemont close forever.

[@bisem433]

@@crooked-halo I hope it is purchased soon. I spoke with the manager of Lakemont last year. She spoke of the expense of keeping up the rides as though she would rather they were gone forever.

[@porcelainthunder2213]

Lakemont is like a public park now with a couple coasters. They should have kept the rides. It would have a hard time, as there are two other parks relatively close, including one just up the highway with much newer rides and a big water park. Maybe the State needs to buy it like NYC owns the Cyclone.

[@wrj5187]

Send out the maintenance crew from Mt. Olympus with their two giant poles. They'll get it back on track...

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@wrj5187 ha!

[@crooked-halo]

Wow! Yet another blow to Dreamland, Margate and the world's third oldest roller coaster! Another fantastic video by Ryan! A too-long comment by me, but as a wood coaster hobbyist this one is special! I was privileged to ride Scenic Railway in 1985 on my 1st Europe coaster trip. It's a fun ride in spite of it's mild appearance! Margate's Scenic Railway has had challenges! Fires in 1949 and 2008 nearly destroyed this ride. Both times it was rebuilt. Dreamland Park itself closed in 2006, presumably forever, but was rescued, rebuilt & revitalized by concerned citizens, government grants, and the wise use of tax funds. After many recent successes and failures, the revitalization of Dreamland, Margate and it's Scenic Railway is proving to be a magnet for tourism and a destination point for hipsters and families alike. I hope this accident is only a minor interruption to Scenic Railway's deliverance of thrills & happiness to many more generations of parkgoers!

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@crooked-halo thanks for the comment! I think the damage was mostly cosmetic meaning minimal downtime!

[@f1-mag]

It has a shared 4th place with 2 other coasters

[@crooked-halo]

@@f1-mag That could very well be true. I didn’t compare opening dates with other coasters from various sources as I should’ve if I was pursuing accuracy. I just repeated what I read somewhere, that it is the “4th oldest.” Might’ve been Roller Coaster Database.” Construction and opening dates of coasters this old is sometimes a subject of inaccuracy and controversy, too.

[@amoonrabbit]

Nah, it's historic value died in the fire that completely destroyed it. This is only 9 years old now.

[@MrEngineer20051]

Hey Ryan! For future reference, when watching a KZbin video, you can use the comma and period keys (, and.) to advance a video frame-by-frame while a video is paused. You can also press and hold the spacebar to speed up the video 2x. You can also speed up a video 2x in the KZbin mobile app by pressing and holding anywhere on the video. Now, if you're wanting to zoom in on a KZbin video, you can only do that in the KZbin mobile app by pinching and zooming with 2 fingers. Happy to help!

[@robster-vision475]

It is not old in the slightest... it was completely rebuilt from scratch in 2015... so it's only 9 years old

[@TheCoasterLisa]

The coaster has had some problems since it underwent a major refurb back in 2011/12. I believe part of it was destroyed by a bad storm in the latter part of this project. So they had to make some major structural repairs. It remains non-operational from the recent incident as it’s being investigated. I looked at rcdb and it was SBNO from 2007 to 2015 which was during a fire and the big reno project. This old gal doesn’t seem to get a break from experiencing misfortune. I’m glad they are taking their time in the investigation and in making repairs.

[@ThatRollerCoasterNerd]

Two videos in one day! We are lucky this week!!

[@sarahbowman7566]

Hadn't heard about this happening until now. Always nice to get the not overly dramatic take on what has happened. Also nice to see some TPW footage coming in handy for the comparison.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

Yea. I just hope not to piss anyone off when I do little clips like that. I try not to just play others video without asking.

[@bakerfx4968]

@@ryantheridemechanicyou’re more than fine on the “fair use” aspect since you talk about it more than just reacting to it. Plus you gave the proper credit and told people to subscribe. You’re doing it all right my dude keep up the good work

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@bakerfx4968 thanks!

[@loridelaney4443]

Ryan. I'm so loving your channel. So informative. Thanks

[@smokkin1]

Ryan's videos always make me want to lean on the air gates.

[@Porcf81]

I hadn’t heard about this incident! Teach me, oh wise mechanic. I know that some scenic railways use a spike that hits the side of the catwalk as an anti rollback. It just stabs into the wood and all the material it’s catches has to be replaced. It looks like the left side engaged and the right side didn’t, causing it to just rip out the left catwalk.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

Looks like the coach was pushed to the left causing all the damage.

[@EricMBlog]

In the KZbin player press shift+? to see a list of keyboard commands. At the very least you can do , and . to move around frame by frame, and you can change playback speed. Doesn't help with zoom, but should still help with some of these videos when you are looking at other videos.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

Thanks. I tried some but they didn’t work for some reason. I’ll look into it.

[@stonedfinn3649]

Thought it simply valleyed as I was at Dreamland a few weeks ago since I also couldn't find any information online. Couldn't see any of the damage since it was covered.

[@jackschissler255]

Hey Ryan. I know you guys did not have one and this is going to be the second one built (first one for the states) but Cedar Point just announced a new Tilt Coaster from Vekoma. Since you guys have worked with Vekoma in the past, What holds that train on that tilt track? I’m sure there has to be many safety protocols that has to be in place to make sure that train stays when that track opens up and tilts. I really don’t think a set of brakes is strong enough to hold that train.

[@kkrispy2009P]

Love the old scenic railway 🚂 coaster 🎢

[@christiwright3604]

Weird incident! Looks like the first spot on left you were talking about. I could see it being hit and ending up there with its trajectory. That’s a lot of cosmetic work!

[@mousch87]

This was rebuilt as the original was devastated by an arson attack as developers wanted to build housing on the dreamland site,used to go to this park every summer in the 80’s,it was never proved who did it but locals had a good idea!

[@lornetyndale7974]

At least no complimentary Dippin' Dots were involved.

[@Deurklink]

So are these riders eligible for free Dippin' Dots now?

[@LTCoasters]

@Deurklink Nope, those are maybe only for people evaced from an inversion, and even then, you will probably only get a fast lane, hahaha 🤣

[@martinporter4980]

​Sadly, as far as I know the UK doesn't sell such ice cream. (I have seen them in Hungary though when I visited their old Scenic in 2009). ​@@LTCoasters

[@djandyt2009]

I think one of the back carriages derailed and it pulled the forward cars back down. I've spent alot of time around this coaster over the years. It's the oldest in Britain. Since it got refurbished a few years ago. It's been out of service more than in service. I wonder if they walked the track that morning. As I assume that would have been seen had they walked it. It happened quite early in the day. I hope they don't mess about repairing it. Like they always do. This coaster is 80% new as it was burnt down in the early 2000s.

[@crooked-halo]

Less than half of the ride was lost to the 2008 fire, including it's trains. Another fire nearly destroyed it after WWII. I would be surprised if _any_ of the wood on this wonderful ride is original. I'm glad Kent and many others dedicated to the preservation of vital history have decided they will not lose Margate nor the Scenic Railway. This damage will hopefully be only a minor inconvenience & repaired quickly.

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

@@crooked-halo I really doubt any of the wood would be original anyways. Phoenix at Knoebels (a park that really cares about preserving history) was built in its current location in 1985 and I read that the last "original" (from 1985) board was replaced years ago (they numbered them during the relocation due to lack of blueprints so they could tell what was original and what wasn't). Scenic Railway is more than 50 years older. Wooden coasters basically get replaced piece by piece as part of normal maintenance. Also, yes, I'm a huge Phoenix fan. Sorry about making it relevant to every conversation on this channel...

[@danielvanced5526]

This incident happened over a month ago now, the ride is currently still not back in operation. The Wicker Man took weeks to be repaired after a tiny fire caused by a disposable vape.

[@paulbaines8983]

Great video Ryan - good way to learn how a side friction coaster works by seeing how it goes wrong - haven’t ridden this scenic yet but have rode the one at Great Yarmouth which is a bit younger

[@danielvanced5526]

I think the car tried to force the gauge wider during the incident, which is what blew out the wood on the left side. Surprised at how much damage from such a small bit of debris

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@danielvanced5526 ah. I was thinking pushing the side wood but your thinking it tried moving the track itself? Very possible.

[@PauwerFurry]

Hey Ryan! Quick pro tip, you can advance KZbin videos forwards and backwards frame-by-frame if you pause the video and use the , and . keys on your keyboard. Makes it much easier to find a precise spot in the video than just pausing and unpausing repeatedly.

[@markmegafobialewis1214]

This ride was rebuilt in 2015, after it was destroyed by fire it stood for a long time with only half for the ride there until they got completely rebuilt

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@markmegafobialewis1214 I heard it damaged a lot of the ride.

[@markmegafobialewis1214]

@@ryantheridemechanic all the trains was destroyed all the maintenance shed and half of the ride I think the only part of the ride is original is the motors for the lift Hills all the rest was completely rebuilt, including the trains

[@DougYeager-i8b]

I’m starting to have second thoughts before I get on any thrill ride. The good thing is that no one was injured

[@kristierasmussen9000]

Nice with the Crescent wrench mic stand! Where can I get one?

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@kristierasmussen9000 I made from scratch. Well I made it from crescent wrenches haha! And it’s built to only hold that one mic.

[@LTCoasters]

Whoever does the carpentry must have loved hearing about that, enjoyed replacing all that board feet even less.

[@crooked-halo]

This scenic railway was rebuilt after a fire nearly destroyed the ride after WWII and again in 08. I think this will be quite the minor repair for Margate & the city of Kent, who have thankfully shown that they treasure their historic roller coaster, the third oldest in the world. It's a really fun ride, too, which I got to ride in 1985 on my first Europe coaster trip.

[@AyTrane]

The header is commonly called a Ledger. Most walkboards are 2x material, so 1-1/2", this ride has something noticeably thinner. On older rides like this, the walkboards between the rails were more cosmetic than anything.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@AyTrane yea woodies have lots of wide used terms. I’d say header before ledger. I’d also say stringer before diagonal batter boards. My opinion. Lots of fun terms. And a long time sense I used them haha

[@AyTrane]

@@ryantheridemechanic The terms Batter and Bent both date back to the old railroad days in the 1800's when trestles had batters or sway bracing. Bent derives from what happens the frame when you try to stand it from horizontal (it bends). Stringers are traditionally DOT longitudinal members, like ribbons or diagonal longitudinal bracing (running from a ledger down to the foundation through several bents along the way). I am guessing that you come from a carpentry background, or have done carpentry along the way. Your terminology is very common in the framing industry for sure.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@AyTrane just Woden coasters. But the terms are kind of all over the place. Not super consistent. So I’ll make a video on woodies and you can see we probably kind of agree on some of the terms. But it’s just what I know. I don’t ah e huge wooden background. Just the basics.

[@danielmkubacki]

Oh wow!

[@shakycameratheater]

The thumbnail looks like a roller coater track. Why make a scenic train climb a hill?

[@djandyt2009]

They are wooden rails with flat steel track on top.

[@Just_Another_Piece_Of_Toast]

Jesus I just thought that was a click bait thumbnail XD

[@Amerigo3356]

Could the brakeman have caused the track damage with the brake leaver?. I assume he pulled it and it dug into the track

[@ryantheridemechanic]

I don’t think so. The brakes just affect the wheels in the truck assembly.

[@Amerigo3356]

@@ryantheridemechanic. Makes sense. Crazy how much damage that piece caused.

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@Amerigo3356 right! Way more than I would expect.

[@Amerigo3356]

@@ryantheridemechanic I was expecting maybe one or two broken boards but damn! I’m surprised you couldn’t hear it.

[@trainlover16]

How long ago did this happen?

[@ryantheridemechanic]

@@trainlover16 just under 2 weeks ago

[@trainlover16]

@@ryantheridemechanic Damn. Has the coaster reopened yet?

[@martinporter4980]

It occurred on 10 August 2024. I had only ridden it a week prior! (I was a member of the Save Dreamland Campaign to retain and rebuild this historic seaside park from around 2004-2015). A couple of weeks before this incident their juvenile teacups ride had a cup detach completely whilst in motion. Luckily no casualties but not a great season sadly for the park this year.

[@trainlover16]

@@martinporter4980 Oh dear.

[@nonononononononononononononope]

Is gaster here?

[@leesullivan1916]

Am I the only one thinking original footage is fake ? And this never happened.🤔

[@bjoe385]

News papers reported the incident with pictures showing damaged track, and it's listed as closed on the park website.

[@vidmaster]

It does look like a video game , like the wood isn’t rendered haha