Schiit Modi Multibit vs Topping E30 SOUND DEMO

[@TheOttacat]

Very interesting, I can hear a slight difference which is amazing given it being recorded and played over KZbin. Cool experiment - thanks for making and sharing.

[@GP-qb9hi]

Which is?

[@ChicagoRob2]

I went through five delta-sigma DACs, before I settled on the Modi Multibit. It has the immersive, enveloping sound of a big tube amp, with the control and authority of solid state. To me, DS is flat, 2-dimensional, and dry. With the MM, you listen to the music, instead of listening to an electronic device.

[@Cesar-dt5tn]

I agree

[@parthabhatta1963]

This is the first audio AB comparison in which I could hear a difference. The Topping E30 sounds a little leaner but cleaner. Schitt sounds a bit bassier but boomy to me. A great and excellent presentation. Loved it. 👍👍👍

[@SangramVID]

In between which one strong and durable plz reply

[@automachinehead]

@@SangramVID well for starters, my e30 croaked after a little over a year of use the rca output has gone scratchy when you touch it. my 20 y.o yamaha cd player, one which has a made in japan print at the back, still works like brand new.

[@johnellison3173]

I like them both. The topping appears to be more neutral and detailed whereas the multibit is warm and smooth with more punchy bass.

[@DB-Lackaufbereitung]

This test / recording is not suitable for an a/b comparison. I have analyzed the audio file. The TPL (true peak level) of the Schiit is about 5db higher!

[@MrBenherrmann]

Yes, I'm late to the game - but listening to these two, it becomes readily apparent (as in the review) that the Multibit has more depth, more of a 3D effect. In addition, it's bass and midrange and brought forward a bit and are both vivid and punchy. I think I'm going to invest in the Multibit real soon.

[@mykeldg]

Finally a very clear recording of multibit vs DS. The MM is much better, more fleshed out, more like the real thing, Better depth/ spatial information, and timbre, more bite in the treble. I ended my affordable dac journey with the MM after trying out many dacs from topping(d30,d50s,e30), chord mojo, audioquest and modi3. Its really a nice piece of kit for the price. (E30 was really nice too though for half the price and for a DS DAC)

[@YannickKhong]

I swear if it wasn't for you audiofool and iwii, I'd also be buying a topping due to the very positive ASR numbers. There's clearly something they missed out on the measurements. This DAC breaks their test.

[@topkho]

Same here. I tried TDA1543 lite dac ah, Border patrol, rega, marantz, topping e30, Khadas tone board (second best, amazing DAC), Mojo... and my favorite is Modi Multibit. Very curious about Bitfrost and Gungnir

[@eddiefreak746]

I grew up on multibit cd players and dacs. DS players and dacs always sounded off to me. However, the Schiit mb sounds like a cheap mb player from the '80s. As much as I hate to say it the E30 sounds better. Pick up a cheap Philips(Magnavox) multibit cd player and see what I mean. You get loose muddy bass and recessed highs. Just like here.

[@mykeldg]

@@YannickKhong E30 is still great dac though, I doubt it can be beat in the 100$ and actually sounds quite nice. I actually kept the e30 to switch between the MM when I get fatigued (yes, the Modi Multibit is more fatiguing than DS Dacs, which I think is one of its downside)

[@YannickKhong]

@@topkho how does the e30 compare to the KTB?

[@Fizbin32111]

The problem with DACS that have 'thicker' sound is if you have an amp that's already warm sounding then you could have 'problems'. I use vintage gear, which tends to be warming, so I just ordered the E30 to try it.

[@stevemqn4053]

I absolutely agree! Understanding what type of sound ( warm vs bright) your amp and speakers are already putting out, can be key to what type of DAC you should be considering.

[@SangramVID]

Can you plz suggest which dac best for my Old yamaha RXN600 Av I connected bose dubble cube speaker with klipsch downfiring subwoofer on this receiver plz

[@BadMonkeyFinger_Audio]

The Modi Multibit is clearly more natural-sounding, here. It is much more dimensional, having a better sense of space, and it and has more 'meat on the bones'. Instruments sound more real to me than through the E30, even though the E30 is clearer. Funny enough, before watching this video, I just ordered a Topping E30 to try out. Now I'm on the hunt for a Modi Multibit (which seems to be on back order at the moment March 8/22). The E30 does seem more precise and the MM ever so slightly rolled-off, however, so I think the choice will boil down to system matching. Addendum: When listening through my Koss KPH30i with Grado G-cushions (warm headphones), the preferred DAC is the E30, as it 'clears them up' a bit. When using my Philips SHP9500s (much more open and 'clear' than the Koss), the Modi Multibit is the better of the two.

[@streglof]

Schiit sounds fuller, more bass Topping sounds more neutral

[@jackbrugts330]

Its not neutral. Its soulless and digital. Very fatiguing

[@dasninjastix]

I thinks it comes down to preference. I prefer the seemingly heavier sound on the Multibit. The bass sounds fine on both, the highs seem to be peakier on the Topping, but I think the biggest difference is that mid bass and mid range. I like the weighter sound of the Multibit to the cleaner/clearer sound of the Topping given what I'm hearing in this demo.

[@eddiefreak746]

I think the highs sound that way only comparison. I would say that the highs of the topping sound right and the highs of the Schiit sound recessed.

[@benjaminlasserre2781]

The bass on the schiit appears louder on track 2 but hard to judge with a recorded track trhough a mic and speakers

[@DB-Lackaufbereitung]

This test / recording is not suitable for an a/b comparison. I have analyzed the audio file. The TPL (true peak level) of the Schiit is about 5db higher!

[@pawrsley]

Hard to decide. Topping E30 sounds cleaner but the Modi Multibit has a bit more depth; it sounds fuller. Damn.

[@ScrocchiarelloCLIPS]

i like my sound to be more open therefore i prefer the topping. Thanks for this video!

[@jackbrugts330]

Its not open. Its sharp and digital sounding. Its called digititis and its soulless and sterile

[@rxt744]

Both sound very similar to me... but the Modi Multibit sounds a tad bit fuller... more 3D in sound than the 2D sound of the Topping E30. I guess I would choose Modi Multibit, the Topping E30 and then the Modi 3+ - in that order if I had to chose. Thanks for the demo.

[@arturomty9969]

Schiit sound better, more fullness, better balance, it's very noticeable, great demo!

[@LanciaD50]

thank you very much. One video of yours is better than one thousand of words from other reviewers

[@DueM]

tbh the topping sounds more linear and precise whereas the schitt sounds warmer and richer especially in the bass, I'd say the topping wins in outright clarity but that treble could sound a little harsh and fatiguing on the wrong amp or speakers so the schitt would be the safer buy overall.

[@aabuahro]

Exactly my thoughts!

[@mmil]

I hear the same thing, yes I could say that the schitt sounds warmer because it is like somebody was playing with the EQ, so I wouldn't trust its representation of the music coming out of if it is tuned in a certain way. Personally I would rather have a true representation and then color it if I feel like it.

[@dimon-slayer]

You really have to know the ground truth (source track) well to say whether the topping is "linear and precise" or "lean and anaemic". That aside, to my ears, the Multibit had more depth and resolution, and in the last track - soundstage where the Topping was dead center.

[@dimon-slayer]

For what it's worth, you don't have to trust audio, you have to enjoy it first and foremost. And as I've said above, you can't know whether the Multibit adds warmth or whether the Topping lacks punch without knowing the source material extremely well.

[@DueM]

@@dimon-slayer audio is pretty subjective, what i may like you may not, we don't need to know the music to compare the tonality differences between units. you're never going to hear sound quality differences through youtube's lossy audio output, i would always tell people to try it on their own system but that's not a luxury everyone has.

[@totollambias]

Excellent comparison! I never heared it so clear in a youtube video.

[@kdomster9141]

Nice audio grade 5V 3A linear power supply with audio grade Telma shielded toroid transformer and audio grade Nichicob caps , LT 1085 low noise voltage regulation... be bought from Aliexpress for 50usd shipped and that paired with E30 will still cost lot less than Multibit , at the same time it will add bass extension and control , better imaging and soundstage depth and width along with less digital haze over the mid and high frequency adding better treble extension .... I would take toppingE30 with that kind of LPS and than run this comparison again...

[@thomasalexand]

The difference was obvious in the first track. The Multi had a beefier sound and deeper base - and a slightly wider sound. But try buying one. Here in the UK I've been waiting to buy a Modi3. Stock came in on Monday but there were none left for sale. So I bought the Topping E30 and am waiting delivery. Now given the choice and availability I would choose the Multi as my speakers are low in bass. Such is life.

[@spencexxx]

I know you're serious about audio by the way you spell bass

[@thomasalexand]

@@spencexxx Oh diddums. If you saw my set-up you'd be envious.

[@kaneda7katsuragi]

cool vid - can actually hear a difference

[@DistroUser]

This demo is a starting point to hear differences, however, it's still a limited way of doing so. The most valid way is at home using your own system of decent quality. Try videos and listen to the acoustics in a church or other venues when comparing DAC's. With the Schiit Multi-bit is sounds alive or fleshed out in my experience. DU

[@mag4633]

(1080p playback) Hard to say for sure listening on my system through KZbin. At first I thought I liked the Modi Multibit better, bet then preferred the E30 sound quality better, seemed clean and accurate. The Modi Multibit almost sounds like a Hall EQ (empty room sound) setting or something and sounds like there's a bit of distortion. MM did sound like it was a little closer to Live music sound, but with a bit of distortion added. I liked the fatty Bass of the Multibit, I just wish it sounded less distorted as well. I felt like the Bass performance of the E30 was lacking, I wanted it's low distortion but fatter and louder. Maybe through some of the settings on the E30, the Bass could sound better? If these two DAC's had a baby, probably be perfect. Which DAC would that be : ?

[@genaishivatov1737]

E30 gives a leaner sound, on the Schiit you can feel the volume, the body of the sound - it reminded me of the old cd-players Philips with TDA 1540.

[@joecharpentier6636]

Reading the comments it's very easy to see who already owns the e30. Ahhhhh. Just got the Schiit Modi multibit 2 and it blows the original away. So let's just say the e30 is a 83 Buick century woodsidded wagon and the Multibit 2 is a Porche Carrera GT. C'mon now.

[@jonshams]

Thanks for the comparison. Where I live E30 costs $110 but Multibit cost $370. There is no way I will buy the Multibit even if I win a lottery. Simply not that better.

[@darrens7603]

I had topping e30 and just upgraded to MM. Love it. Vocals, guitars sound more natural. Smoother highs and holographic sound... Difference was apparent in 5 seconds of listening without even a need of AB test. I was skeptical, but I guess my speakers make it very obvious (kef r700)

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

I can't decide between the modi multibit and the new modius

[@darrens7603]

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 I haven't heard modius. but if it sounds like Topping E30 (Same dac chip), multibit should be nicer. Its more analog sounding. I read a review somewhere which claimed multibit to be better than modius update: another comparison: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWmUfK1vlsyBrKc

[@darrens7603]

I upgraded to bifrost 2. The best DAC ever!

[@milosCivejovidar]

I was preparing myself to order Topping E30, and then I found this video. Now I am saving money for Multibit.

[@boardertrashtv8638]

The modi definitely sounds a lot heavier in the bass but the sound signature sounds biased towards this. On first listen this sounds nicer but the more tracks I hear the Topping has a better overall more cohesive sound where there isn’t one thing that stands out. It’s near enough like someone got hold of a an old graphic equaliser and boosted the bass of the Modi 😂

[@JPWinters]

The guitar on track 2 sounds awful on the E30 compared to the Schiit MM. I'm a guitarist. And I own the E30. I just placed my order for a Schiit MM. Great video, thank you for it. The winner was very clear to me, no question, & the differences are obviously heard.

[@iiWiReviews]

Just give it several hours to stabilize first time you turn it on. Hope you'll enjoy it.

[@midoriwind276]

What do you found when testing in real life?

[@JPWinters]

@@midoriwind276 In real life, at first listen it didn't seem like night & day but it definitely became significant with more listening. The Modi MB bass is tighter and more controlled but there is slightly less overall output. This became very nice as it keeps up with fast complex music better. The best part about it is there is no digital glare on bright treble spots. That's the best way I can describe it without knowing exactly what "digital glare" is. On the bright strum of an acoustic guitar or a high note on an electric guitar solo, there is a bit of a whine or sheen to the note that impacts your ear in a slightly painful way. That sheen is less present on the MMB. There is also less sibilance, or no sibilance for that matter, versus the E30. Well worth the improvement, but the E30 is still a good DAC for the money.

[@RobertSmith-bh5cv]

@@JPWinters This is exactly how I hear it. The E30, while it can't be accused of not being detailed, is a bit too bright for my ears. For me, the Modi is just more "real". I'm not saying the E30 is bad. I have a friend that would prefer the E30. He loves that bright top end. Hey, we're all different so it's a good thing we have choices. I'm actually surprised how different the two are. There are a lot of people on Audio Science Review who say that all these cheaper DACs sound the same, that they are too close to call, the human hear can't detect differences so small, etc. but these two are different animals.

[@dpcoffey]

Sounds like there is a bit of compression on the SMM.

[@docfmf8404]

on the first track i prefer the topping, on the rest of the tracks tho it sounded tiny in comparison

[@vagomaniac]

Modi is clearly superior at everything. Deeper base, less noise at highs and mor body in general. Detail is the same but with topping the sound is thin and not realistic enough. Topping’s bass is anemic not well extended. I would like to see how it goes with the topping when it’s used for a USB to coaxial converter so I can hook it up in my Burson audio dac. Any experience?

[@nntexperiences5364]

Topping E30 is clearly a winner. Darker background, way more control and separation. I can explain why a lots of people prefer the Schiit Modi Multibit. The SMM may help if your system is on the leaner side of neutral or neutral. Firstly, you will notice the weight from the sound of SMM which is quite impressive that makes you focus on. Especially, for slow and simple music or the intro of the song, the color of the SMM makes it sounds different from other budget DACs and interesting. However, if you give a very complex song to the SMM, the difference is night and day; the SMM sounds unorganized, muddy and less focus. If your system has lean sound and you only play slow and simple songs, the SMM may be a good choice. In my mind, I definitely choose the Topping for my system due to its neutrality and details. The color of mid bass or low bass or the smoothness can be easily added by the preamp or the power amp or the speakers. But once, you lose the details and the separation between notes, you can not gain it by any equipment down of the line.

[@saardpuksoon461]

+1

[@neonspecter2730]

The E30 gives the illusion of a 'cleaner' sound, but the Multibit is much more lively and natural. Though at more than double the price it's not a totally fair comparison.

[@MrAhuraMazda]

The multibit has MUCH more space and depth. Both sound great

[@snowmean1]

Was listening this on BTR5 + HD6XX (balanced) and I must say I like Schiit better, much more space and air, better high frequency separation. Topping sounded a bit more narrow and flat/neutral to my liking.

[@Ephel81]

I have a modi multibit, and in my opinion it lost to the Chinese diy-dac breeze audio on the sabre. Now I use Topping D50 and it sounds even better. MM is worse in stage construction, it sound like my old cheap AV-receiver denon AVR-1610. MM plays fatter at low frequencies and not very bright at high frequencies. I will not say anything bad about the multi-bit technology, but in this implementation modern delta-sigma DACs win. Plus they are cheaper.

[@a3marketing991]

Schiit seems to have a wider presentation. I prefer the Schiit.

[@kaunas888]

The Multi sounds meatier and more full bodied. The E30 sounds clearer maybe but also thinner and less fleshed out.

[@lowrider007007]

Very good comparison and one where I can actually hear quite a difference which is saying a lot when your comparing DAC's!, The Modi Multibit was definitely the winner here, fuller sounding, better tonality on the instruments, just listen to the difference on the voices on track 4, really quite surprising, the topping sounds thin and flat in comparison.

[@alexius984]

The topping e30 seams more neutral and detailed..Modi is more warm and bass are strong..I think it's better the e30..For that price

[@mounirehab]

Thanks for this experience

[@DG191145]

Wow. I im watching/listening on a cheap tablet and i can clearly hear a difference. Much fuller sound from the multibit. I have a few budget dacs that i have a hard time hearing differences between in my headphone systems. I have a multibit on backorder and was considering cancelling the order. Im definitely going to wait it out now.

[@eddiefreak746]

Track1 - E30, track2 Schitt, track 3&4 e30, track 5 Schiit. Topping sounds natural, schiit sounds bloated. I'm a big multibit fan, but this ain't it. Everything that people say is wrong with multibit is in the Schiit.

[@stanstaniboy7655]

Fucking hell, the Multibit is insane. Sounds full, open, dynamic, maybe a bit fat in the bass, but so articulated. The topping is just flat and compressed in comparison. Typical ESS/XMOS/Chifi/Cookie cutter design.

[@shawnpwatsons1]

Schitt didn't have Unity in the Modi Multibit when this review came out.

[@たけちゃんの部屋]

I like E30's sound

[@MrSilviut]

I’m a total amateur at this but why does the Schiit sound like it is a vinyl record?

[@jamesmonroe8859]

That’s what I think and why I went with Schiit MB. I can see that if a system is already sounding fat the E30 would be a better choice.

[@user-cm3wd5hk1p]

Best way I can describe what I hear is that the E30 sounds a bit thinner and some tracks sounded a bit like it was playing through a megaphone.

[@ninhbac04]

why does MM add to the sound? i thought dacs are supposed to convert the digital signal to analog that it.

[@angusflood6801]

Yet thousands of digital products since the mid 80s, have each produced unique takes on Red Book digital to analogue conversion step. From £1 to £100,000.

[@CraciunAlexandruGh]

This is an awesome comparison. I think some differences are really clear even on youtube. Would you say the differences are 20% or maybe 50% bigger in real life compared to this recording ?

[@iiWiReviews]

More like 50% in my opinion.

[@CraciunAlexandruGh]

@@iiWiReviews Then they are absolutely audible.

[@Panslapper]

Fuller sound with the Schiit.

[@jamesmonroe8859]

On this sound test alone I diverted from E30 to the Modi Multibit. I was struggling to find an affordable DAC to use in a medium room 2.1 system I am building. I really respect that E30 with its AKM chip. Clean, neutral, authentic and not rolled off with good separation. That said, I believe I am getting all that and a livelier, juicier, fuller sound with the Multibit, thus, I just completed my order of the Schiit Modi Multibit. I will say this… I almost like the E30 better with those KEF (I think) LS50s because they sound fabulous as in like being live and up close in a small venue kind of way. I will be pairing with a Yamaha AS501 integrated amp, wall bracketed Sony CS5 speakers and an RSL Speedwoofer sub and I want the Multibit for its juiciness in hopes that my not too terribly expensive system will be great for as much secondary listening as reference listening.

[@ChicagoRob2]

I have the Modi Multibit, with the same A-S501 integrated, and B&W Matrix 805 speakers. The sound is amazing, just like a live performance. The MM actually sounds very similar to the Bifrost 2, at less than 1/2 the price.

[@jamesmonroe8859]

@@ChicagoRob2 I finally received mine and I love it. It’s in my new finished garage. My speakers are RSL CG23s wall mounted using Sanus TV mounts. Sub is shipping soon. Sometimes I wonder if there is a little bleed over between lower mids and upper base. I in no way have that sorted out yet. But I love the live warm tube like sound and excellent low level listening of the MM. I think my amp and dac are a real bargain. RSL Speedwoofer 10S and CG23s are a steal at 800.00 for the 2.1. They look fantastic for the money. BTW my home theater L & R are B & W 702s. I can’t brag enough about them. Happy listening. I like all kinds of music. If you run across stuff that you think the MM sorts out beautifully feel free to keep this conversation going.

[@ChicagoRob2]

@@jamesmonroe8859 Yes, one of the MM’s attributes is its full-bodied sound. A word of advice: Let your MM warm up for at least one to two hours, before doing any serious listening. It takes quite a while for the internal components to reach their optimum operating temps. When it does, it really opens up. I don’t know how else to describe it, but to say it acquires a sense of ease and naturalness in the way it delivers the music.

[@osirismarbles5177]

I listened to this review on a 22inch kitchen LCD with small speakers. I could hear the difference when watching. Then I tried turning my head away and listening for sound signature. I got it right every time. MM sounds richer and (generally) preferable.

[@tnbspotter5360]

Like listening to an instrument vs listening to an instrument on the radio.

[@cablebrain9691]

I enjoyed hearing the comparison. It is mostly relevant if you have tried one or the other, which I have..... I'm using the Topping E30 now. Your video shows only the contrast between the two, but one can't judge which is correct, or even the best for one's self, due to all of the variables in the signal chain. One DAC may compliment your system better than it does mine, and vice a versa. There is no way to determine which is more true to the recording here either, but the comparison gives at least a HINT of what one might expect to hear in their own system. At least I know that the MM DAC has a fuller sound (though not necessarily more accurate), and that's something to at least consider. All of the comments from owners of these and other DACs, in conjunction with your video, do help. 🙂 Keep in mind that not only are you matching one of these DACs to an existing amp/speaker system, but you will be replacing the current DAC (internal or external), which you've used to determine the replacement's sound quality. That original DAC will no longer be there. The process of changing your DAC is not only additive, but also subtractive.

[@user-ty1yl2ox4p]

It depends on the taste! I alone noticed that the mobi has a microphone effect (echo), is the sound mumbling? E30 is sweeter, slightly cottony and less natural, my choice is E30. Plus it's decently cheaper! The mobi probably has lpf AD, I can hear them, and in the e30 OPA, they are darker and drier. Sorry for my English, or rather the lack of language

[@Enforcer0623]

I find the Topping to sound a bit warmer, less fatiguing. Also has better spacing. It's kinda like when you compare Tidal to Qobuz, where Tidal just has a more open sound. Both sound great, just a matter of preference. I think the Topping E30 just sounds a bit more pleasing to my ears based on your demo. Would probably complement Tidal quite nicely. But a younger person might prefer the higher energy and more direct and brighter sound of the Schiit Multibit.

[@stevenewtons7873]

I received this e30 yesterday. In Dac mode, the sound is excellent and comparable to my Cambridge 840c CD player. But the unit went dead after two hours of use. Therefore, I do not recommend to buy it.

[@ciprian107]

Schiit Modi Multibit is the best from what I can tell

[@snuffpappy]

I like the idea of sound comparisons but microphones (and speakers and rooms) have such pervasive sound characteristics themselves that from the get-go they alter what we are hearing. Not the ideal "reference" technique. Is it not possible to run outputs from the DACs directly to a camera and A/B that way? Remove the colorations of mics, rooms etc? Thanks.

[@HowDareYouu]

dose the multibit artificially boosts the basse & mid base? or is it as it's suppose to be & the E30 is weak in that area?

[@eddiefreak746]

The Schiit boosts the bass.

[@iiWiReviews]

Schiit has more midbass and lower midrange and that gives this impression, its lower bassline is actually better controlled than on E30. To my ears, mb is more realistic sounding... But someone else might feel differently.

[@akhtarizod5802]

Modi all the way !

[@johnsweda2999]

Overall the schiit is nicer sounding unit the topping is a bit harsh the schiit with appreciate a better power supply something like ifi power supply greater amps or Spower. A purifier on both units would be good reclocker ifi Ipurify 3 will reduce the noise by 100 times

[@jomadsincebu]

The measurement nut jobs on ASR say it's a waste of money to use a better power supply. Those guys are really something. I care how it sounds not how it measures. And screw that efin pinoy that gave me shit on that site. GFY

[@dentboxhero1717]

If only SMM and E30 could have a baby it would be perfect. Now I wonder what would a Topping D10s + SMM be sounding like...

[@drubin119]

Thanks for putting this together! I’m wondering if it would be better to record directly from the rca jacks into the microphone jack on your computer or into a dedicated adc. That would eliminate the amp,speakers and room from the equation....

[@eddiefreak746]

Question. Did you record the sound of your speakers, or was the output of the DACs direct to the recorder? I hope it was direct to the recorder otherwise your speakers will have a huge influence on the final sound.

[@iiWiReviews]

Just normally playing on the speakers... I'll try and test how it turns out when I record just line out into the recorder - never tried that.

[@eddiefreak746]

Yeah, that would be great. Don't forget to match the levels. You can do that by playing a test tone such as a 400 Hz or 1k Hz thru each Dac and setting the level on the recorder. By the way, you did an excellent job on this. Congratulations!

[@jomadsincebu]

Well through KZbin and the Sabbat earbuds I'm using to listen to, the Topping is brighter. I wish you could do this test with CD's from Audioquest/Sheffield or Reference Recordings. The E30 is available in my neck of bumbfck Egypt and the Schiit isn't. Easy choice then

[@JetEarlewood]

Me too JM. Only Topping and SMSL are available in this location.

[@rikhouben1019]

A comparison between the Modi Multibit and the Modius would be interesting.

[@zzezzobike]

Well,well...great sound demo in favour of Modi🙂

[@zzezzobike]

I couldn't but noticed that switching from Modi to E30, I was missing something,sound was more informative than involving,no matter of details which I know are priority of most listeners.Details don't make music integrally organic,natural,it's so obvious with great sound of Modi, which I also had in my system. Don't be fouled by Chi-fi, they have technology but no ears for music.

[@YannickKhong]

So many sound demos (different recording + dac-amp-speakers setups) on the multibit all show similar results regardless of setup (more sstage, more body, more weight, more dynamic swings etc....). There's definitely correlation at some point?

[@topkho]

Agree modi multibit in my setup is weighted and more realistic sounding than Mojo, TOPPING E-30, Soncoz, Khadas, etc

[@kokhua2630]

Hi, thanks for your video review, Can aks how do you think SMSL M200 Balanced DAC?

[@allan.n.7227]

The Schiit Modi Multibit wins on first impression imo.. I overall like the to me warmer sounding Multibit .. (Listening on Khadas Tone Board / Sennheiser HD800S (and secondarely on a Khadas Tone Board / dual iPod HiFi setup))..

[@SangramVID]

Between which one more durable and strong build quality plz help me

[@user-jw2eu2kl4p]

More videos like this❤

[@dbronx347]

So I received the Topping E30 a few days ago and really really wants to love it. It sounds so good, but the sounds was cutting off a lot when I use the coax input. All other input is fine. Too bad coz I had to return it.

[@jackbrugts330]

Topping is Just chinese garbage. Its no good

[@dbronx347]

@@jackbrugts330 yeah you're right. Also given how they've been behaving politically, I'm trying not to buy anything Chinese anymore.

[@antonioayala79]

Really nice vid, but a more fair comparison would be Topping E30 vs Modi 3, as they are more similar in price and technology. To be honest, I want to buy one of these two, but I can't find out which is better.

[@iiWiReviews]

E30 is better to my ears, better layering and soundstage.

[@antonioayala79]

@@iiWiReviews thank you for sharing your view on this. I'm looking for a Dac not much expensive than 100-150€, probably will go for the E30.

[@wemustgo]

I think that Multibit is the clear winner. A comparison between Schiit Modi Multibit and Schiit Modius would be very interesting

[@ShareHobby]

Schiit blows the Topping out of the water. Way more texture and richness.

[@PopPop017]

Topping needs to phone up Schiit for technical advice

[@TonyMusicArts]

Why 44.1 default on the Topping What is the Shiit resolution ! If one DAC is set higher resolution than the other / of course it would sound different ...

[@iiWiReviews]

Both played exactly the same files and resolution, it happened to be standard CD quality of 16/44 that's all.

[@wemustgo]

Schiit Multibit seems to produce richer sound. E30 sounds dry and thinner

[@pedecia]

LOL we are guessing here.....

[@wemustgo]

@@pedecia You need a good headphone

[@pedecia]

Pham Cong Dinh I have it. For now a Sennheiser HD280 Pro with a creative Titanium HD as DAC and Emotiva A100 as headphone amplifier. Might be my ears?? 😂

[@diyhifi2632]

that is what i heard too. SM sounds thicker richer sound, e30 detailed but on a thinner sound.

[@diyhifi2632]

but still on listeners' preference. botth are good. if your speaker has high sensitivity like in this demo SM is good.

[@RyanRos_33]

If I may ask, in your own listening, which one is better? And is it marginally or substantially better?

[@iiWiReviews]

To my ears Multibit sounds noticeably better... But it's really tough to catch it with a mic and hear over a YT.

[@constantinandreca5369]

@@iiWiReviews I concur, both are good but Multibit is better. The wider stage is obvious to me. Good idea to compare them, thank you!

[@kgtaillon27]

Could you let us know which filter was enabled on the E30? Nice job! I prefer the Multibit

[@iiWiReviews]

Thanks! Factory default, which is number 3 if I remember correctly.

[@tallpaull9367]

@@iiWiReviews also, was this made before or after fixing the polarity issue on E30?

[@Tealc2323]

What serial number and firmware version does the Topping E30 has in these recordings? The first models had a polarity issue that has been fixed with a firmware update.

[@iiWiReviews]

It's the very first series with polarity issue, but recording was made with new firmware that fixed it on USB input (which I used).

[@Tealc2323]

@@iiWiReviews Thanks for your answer. That's strange because only in your comparison the E30 sounds like crap.

[@topkho]

When can you do gungnir multibit A1 or Bitfrost 2 vs MM?

[@iiWiReviews]

Probably when channel grows a bit and starts returning a little bit in the budget that's very stretched as it is. :)

[@topkho]

iiWi Reviews what’s your favorite dac so far? Also a tip for you: you should try Allo Digi One signature for transport with 26800 Anker battery for the Pi and lithium for the Hat. It is superb with the MM!

[@iiWiReviews]

MB and Chord Qute HD so far (haven't had them at the same time so can't decide but I do belive that MB is a bit better to my ears). I'm currently using Allo DigiOne with my own DIY made linear power supply - good stuff, I should probably make a video about it too.

[@topkho]

iiWi Reviews haha!!! We’re on the same page, I think the digi one signature might be even better, also there’s a very long thread on SBAF on Pi2AES which seems better than Digi One signature and cheaper, you should check it out. It seems to be the best Pi streamer (and one of the best anywhere) on the market and only $150!

[@iiWiReviews]

Yeah, Signature should definitely be better. Thanks for mentioning Pi2AES, I'll research it a bit more.

[@johnnorris7289]

Something else is going on here. I can clearly hear a difference between the two DACs in this video, with the Schiit sounding much fuller than the Topping. However, I own both DACs and in doing extended listening and blind ABX tests, in two systems, I can barely tell the two apart.

[@razzman2987]

Factory setting 3 he used for the e30 its a short roll off with delay setting 5 is the warmest setting and for my set up the best

[@kenjazz59]

Curious. The e30 has 6 filters. Which one(s) was used in this comparison?

[@iiWiReviews]

Factory default, number 3

[@adrianmorrish8494]

thanks for video comparison I have the e30 at the moment and am thinking either d30 pro from topping or Modius probably from Schitt, Modius is not mutibit but have you used one, I have heard some say it's sound is a slight departure from usual Schitt house sound

[@adrianmorrish8494]

by probably From Schitt I mean I may look at a couple of the similar options from Schitt as well 😁

[@80-80.]

I think the Multibit is meant to sound muddy, for people who like muddy (warm) sound.

[@maclock101]

Yes, the topping sounds very clear. However, don't close your eyes analyze, just imagine the musicians in front of you. Then for me the Schitt is closer to life.

[@mcaddc]

Schiit sounds better to me, richer fuller, more dynamic. E30 sounds like it has holes in the dynamic range, so I'm wondering whether its inverted phase may be hurting the audio?

[@iiWiReviews]

It's updated firmware and USB input is used so polarity is correct now... MB is just fuller sounding. It's even bigger difference in real life.

[@Jim33142]

The MultiBit is better. It is obvious to my ears. The Topping leans too heavily on the treble, it’s shrill and thinner. The multiBit is natural, deeper and more pleasant, with more detailed bass notes. MultiBit is the winner here by far.

[@studog7851]

I have had both of these. The Schiit is by fair the better DAC. The E30 is a soulless and lifeless compared to the Schiit. It's hard to hear the difference on KZbin but the the Schiit sounds more natural and more faithful to the recording. The E30 sounds like a tin can when compared. The E30 is NOT clearer it just lacks mid-range and texture like every other cheap DAC.

[@jackbrugts330]

I think its very easily audible that the topping is chinese garbage. The schiit sounds way more musical and realistic

[@darrens7603]

Upgraded from Topping e30 to modi multibit and now BF2. BF2 is like the best thing I've ever owned. Broke my wallet but I can't go back to Mimby ever

[@studog7851]

@Bryan White Schiit Bifrost 2 DAC 699USD

[@retro_boy_advance]

@Tarandeep Singh Was the upgrade from e30 to mimby worth it, you reckon? (Would love to just go straight to BF2 but wallet disagrees at the moment)

[@herberttarlek5102]

Schiit sounds fuller but this begs two questions: 1) Which of the two is colored? DAC should offer transparent sound imo. 2) Were the SPL levels carefully matched?

[@iiWiReviews]

As for SPL levels, they were matched with test tone and SPL meter. As for which one is colored, I believe they both are, just in a different way. I still haven't encountered truly transparent peace of gear, don't think such exists yet.

[@herberttarlek5102]

@@iiWiReviews Thank you for confirming spl matching, as it makes a huge difference when not matched. Real hard to tell which is truer to source lol. Looking at the video date, I assume this was done after the fw update, right? I wonder if any of the other 5 filters make it sound more similar like the MM one. Thank you for the great video btw :)

[@iiWiReviews]

Yes, it's after the update. When it comes to filters, I honestly forgot the exact one I used but I believe it was the factory default one (no. 3 if my memory serves). I'm quite sure that such a small difference that comes from filter change wouldn't even be noticeable on this kind of recording.

[@herberttarlek5102]

@@iiWiReviews Thanks. I never owned a DAC, and decided to get this one to see what the big deal is. I'm mainly looking to use it with my CDs which I now play with a Panny BD player. Curious to see if it contributes anything. This was well reviewed fairly cheap so worth the experiment. Was either this one of the Modi 3 and I was able to find this one cheaper (eBay auctions). Any tips on whether coax or optical would be better for this?

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

..... Another E30 vs MM.... Jesus Christ, there are already so many videos about these two. Somebody do a review of the dang Modius!

[@trunghoang9429]

This is way better than listening to those stupid reviewers talk, talk, and talk and no sound samples. And the stupid reviewers stupidly think that we just will blindly believe in whatever sh*t they tell us.

[@aleofast8172]

Schiit have more deep and heavy sounded. E30 more airy and neutral sounded.

[@SpitFire34rus]

I must say right away that of course you need to listen live. I watched the video 3 times. 1 time at night at a low volume on the speakers - it seemed to me that MM was ideal, the topping was lost, but still I was tormented by doubts and I put on headphones. 2 times in headphones at full volume - a complete disappointment in MM, everything is cracking, cracking, overly colorful sound, with topping everything is perfect as it should be. 3 times the next day on the speakers at full volume - MM is again a disappointment, although in two tracks it showed itself worthy and better, but you quickly get tired of this sound, the topping is better.