Schwalbe Pro One TLE - first look

[@addictcyclist]

Swapped out my GP5000 TL for these new Tle PRO One and like them better. A lot smoother, supple, noticeably lighter and feel just as fast because they spin up faster. My crit bike I just installed SWorks Rapid Air but have not had a chance to test yet.

[@toekicker01]

Have used Pro ones for about 3 years and switched to the corsa speed 2. The corsa May be fast, but went through 4 tires in one month and one of them the day before Challenge Prague. A local bike shop hade pro ones and did a quick change back to pro ones. The moment the new TLE’s were available, I purchase and road the for Ironman Louisville. My opinion is the new TLE is more comfortable and the puncture protection is very good. The corsa would not seal, even called the company to ask if I was doing something wrong with the sealant. They just recommended more sealant. I am sold that pro ones may be the best overall tubeless tire. But more importantly I have the confidence to take a turn and know that it grips and has the puncture protection needed on race day.

[@ronykuba]

Thanks for sharing!

[@MikeHatam]

Good review. Would love to see you review the new S-Works Turbo RapidAir tubeless road tires, and see how they compare with the Schwalbe and the Conti.

[@ronykuba]

Thanks! Hoping to try the Rapid Air as well

[@МихаилЗахаров-ъ2б]

I just mounted schwalbe one tle 700x25 on my 17c rim. And it grew up to 28mm.

[@stepforward1605]

Good point. This is what I have noticed also on previous versions of the GP (4000). The first 100km it rolls very well and you can throw them in corners like hell. But after that the rolling resistance seems to increase quite quickly

[@ronykuba]

The increase is not so dramatic, but still, it makes me wonder if there's a difference at all after around 1000km between the GP5000 and the Pro one

[@stepforward1605]

@@ronykuba looking forward to your impressions

[@peel0s]

Hi Ronald, a nice intro movie! But what about the long term test and any conclusions upon that? Thanks

[@simonmoses4023]

As you have, I have run the GP 500 TL all season and only had a puncture once, my last road ride before the weather turned too cold here in Poland. I like the idea of 40grams less......might be my 2020 season tire! As always a great review!

[@ronykuba]

Thanks

[@yannickokpara4861]

As an added point to the wear of the Conti GP500: from my experience it generates flat spots quite fast from what you might expect on such a 'resistant' tyre.

[@ronykuba]

Fair point

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

I've gone through a set of the new 2020 Pro Ones in no time because just weeks after installing them I ran over something on the road that felt like a pothole but caused a bump feeling through the bars and immediately front and rear tires went flat. It was a snake bite on both tires. These tires I think do flat easy. I complained to Schwalbe support and they sent me two more tires free of charge. I have those mounted and have only used them for a few weeks and not able to log a lot of miles because weather is bad now. I had the older Pro Ones before installing the 2020 TLE's and I noticed the size difference also. I got good use out of the old Pro One's but that could have been down to the tires having more volume and yes they were slower and heavier tires. The ride feel of the new 2020 version is not so good in my opinion. There is rumble on smooth new tarmac. I felt this with all four tire so far. Ride yours and let us know if you have a similar experience with the feel.

[@ronykuba]

Your tire pressure is probably incorrect if this happened

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

@@ronykuba Yeah, you are probably right. 85 lbs in the rear and 80 in the front just probably wasn't right for these tires. The Pro Ones I replaced I ran at 70 to 75 psi in the rear and about 60 to 65 psi in the front. These tires were a bit more narrow than the older 25C tires by a couple of mil which is why I pumped them up higher. It's been my experience with tubeless over the years the higher the pressure the easier they puncture and they won't seal.

[@yannickokpara4861]

@Ronald Kuba when are you making a review? I would really like to know how they compare to GP5000, because on the GP5000 while it has insane rolling resistance, I have no grip if I go within the recommended 80-109psi(rear wheel slides in corners)

[@jonathanzappala]

I wouldn't make assumptions on the pro one having a lower Crr after wearing in, that would have to be proven. I love the conti's, but I have a previous gen pro one on a front wheel and it still looks new after 800 miles, so it seems to definitely be a longer lasting tire than the gp 4000 was.

[@roadglide]

A phenomenal tire!

[@ians9298]

Nice review, thanks. Interested to see what you think when you ride it

[@ronykuba]

Thanks, looking forward to it

[@JibbaJabber]

Hi Ron, Why no mention of Hutchison 11storm TLR? They're been producing some excellent tyres recently. For training & winter riding, I've been using them on my Token hookless wide wheelset. With these, 28 & 30s are true to size, easy to install (with floor pump), safe, comfy and v.good value. Check them out if you can. Good review by the way and nice point about hookless rims👍

[@durtNdubs]

JibbaJabber I’ve been using these in a 25 and they’ve been far better than the old Pro One’s I was using. Very grippy, especially in the wet, and very resilient. Not at the top of the list when it comes to fast tires though. That would be my guess as to why Rony hasn’t really tried them.

[@mikicastan]

They are very light but also not too robust

[@vitorfelgueiras2053]

Hello Ronald, any new insights or comparisons between the GP5000 TL and the Pro One TLE?

[@bobstevens9040]

The best Schwalbe tyre was the Ultremo. Light , fast , cut resistant and long lasting. So they stopped making it.

[@ronykuba]

The data suggests otherwise

[@ianiscaratti4924]

ultremo zx had the worst grip

[@philbryant6413]

Excellent Review Ronald Kuba, However, is it possible that in the near future you could possible do an review on the Hutchinson Fusion HDF 5.3 All Season Tires?

[@ronykuba]

Thanks. I don't really use that kind of tires

[@wrxzboost]

i can't say i'm too excited about any tubeless tires.

[@ronykuba]

Too bad

[@peterlethbridge7859]

Hi Ronald, Nice review. I'm currently running the old Pro One's (28mm) on Enve 3.4AR rims. These are currently measuring up at just over 31mm. Do you think the 28mm TLE version will come up close to 28mm on these rims?

[@ronykuba]

Thanks, I believe they should

[@suney20]

Have you got a followup review on these tyres Ronald? How have they compared to the gp5000?

[@JW-wn9mj]

How much air pressure can you expect to lose each day? I installed the same TLE tires (28s ) on my Enve SES 5.6 wheel set and lose 5-10 psi overnight. My LBS used ENVE valves, rim tape with Stans sealant for set up. Tire pressure is usually set to 75 psi before every ride. Should I expect this much psi loss each day ?

[@onemetre]

Schwalbe preferred Orange Seal when I spoke to them a few years ago. I don't have that much pressure loss using Orange Seal.

[@EditioCastigata]

Loss is not linear. On a new tyre and tape you'll lose more in the first weeks, and decreasingly so at lower pressures (like, 10psi first day, 7 the next, 5, 4, …). If you cleaned a carbon rim with the wrong alcohol you might've contributed to the tape not adhering correctly (due to lose carbon), which will result in creeping pressure loss for weeks.

[@dennisbailey1163]

Hi Ronald- please can you provide an update on these tyres? Do you prefer them to the 5000 TL?

[@dennisbailey1163]

To update everyone searching for reviews- I have done about 250km on them in all weathers on mavic open pro ust rims. Easiest install ever. Much more comfort than 5000TL, faster than corsa 2.0 TLR- addix compound super grippy too. I really like them so far: Only time will tell how they hold up 🤞🏿

[@marcin4321100]

They are true 25mm on 19mm internal?...other people report that more like 26-27mm

[@ronykuba]

25.xx close enough

[@andriyhlushchenko378]

25.25 on my zipp 303 nsw

[@marcwinther4704]

My wheels limit me from running tubeless and the spending isn't there to justify upgrading. Thus, whats your thinking on that topic, to run with Tubeless ready tire versus a traditional clincher tire? This would be TT/Tri specific.

[@ronykuba]

That wouldn't make much sense, unless it's the Corsa speed with latex tubes

[@marcwinther4704]

@@ronykuba In this case its Vittoria Corsa Speed 2.0 25mm with Vittoria Competition Latex.

[@ronykuba]

@@marcwinther4704 in this case it's still the fastest tire with a latex tube

[@adrianducroshansson8122]

What do you think about Specialized Rapid AIR tubeless in comparison?

[@ronykuba]

I haven't tried it yet

[@mikicastan]

Dont like 25 mm tyres. 28 mm much more convenient for unperfect roads Not to mention cornering

[@andrewy1983]

28 mm schwalbe are rubbish

[@mikicastan]

Andy FPV It doesn’t has anything with sizing,width etc. Old were rubish,new one are much better compound

[@roadglide]

Jura Stanić Love rubbish!

[@ianiscaratti4924]

can you racomand me a better combo for a non TLE crit bike. gp5000 with michelin latex tubes is my choice atm

[@ronykuba]

Vittoria and Challenge latex tubes are faster

[@noahfontaine7832]

What about the pro one TT?

[@ronykuba]

Coming soon

[@fatihyasinsonduren]

sorry can i ask question please

[@Bliksem225]

Why not test the Vittoria Corsa G2 TLR?

[@ronykuba]

They're quite slow

[@Bliksem225]

@@ronykuba how do you know? I've not found a test of the Corsa tlr, only of the Corsa G2 tube type.

[@ronykuba]

@@Bliksem225 it has the same compound and construction, so it won't be much different

[@bodoprobst]

Is it compatible to be used tubeless with Mavic UST Rims ?

[@ronykuba]

Yes

[@njm3211]

@@ronykuba Ronald are 100% sure? Just would like plenty of assurance that they will fit UST standard. Thanks

[@ronykuba]

@@njm3211 I think it's not so hard to believe that a tubeless tire would work with a tubeless rim.

[@njm3211]

@@ronykuba I read a comment on KZbin that Schwalbe tubeless for instance won't seat on UST rims.

[@ftekkie]

I have got these to seat on Mavic Cosmic Elite USTs with a track pump on first try. Impossibe on deep section carbon rims though, did not seat at all.

[@EditioCastigata]

You're comparing the data for a used Conti 5000 TL with a new Schwalbe, which is invalid. You'd need the data for both used instead of speculating. Further, bicyclerollingresistance's methodology is questionable, with motorizing the drum instead of using the spinning wheel to revolve the high inertia thingy; the deformations will be different.

[@ronykuba]

Since there's no such data, I have no other option do I? As for a motorized wheel, it's exactly the same as a rear wheel on the bike. If the testing would be flawed, it probably wouldn't align with data from other sources.

[@EditioCastigata]

@@ronykuba Absence of other options doesn't justify use of invalid comparisons. It's a classical fallacy. And BRR's data doesn't align with all other sources. And no, not exactly the same: Pushing a box with a car is not the same as pushing a car with a box. Just reminding you to not give into parroting or cargo cult. But if you like the new tyre more than the old, that's a valid experience. No need for studies or facts to support that.

[@DavidWard14]

6:03 see here for Jarno's GP5000 endurance test.ing --> www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/grand-prix-5000-endurance-test

[@BarePotato]

I mistakenly bought their tube type tire... Wanted to get tubeless.

[@wrxzboost]

no you don't

[@vadlme]

Conti > Schwalbe

[@ronykuba]

We'll see

[@cyclingfan7303]

Ronald Kuba I see what you did there Sagan.