Schwarzlose 1901 Toggle-Delayed Prototype

[@wallaroo1295]

One thing I always enjoy about watching Ian's videos about these old guns, is how complex they are compared to modern weapons. Most of our modern pistols are far simpler, yet more effective in design.

[@pennsylvaniafellow4409]

"People didn't like my practical handgun design so I guess I'll have to make this thing." A very interesting design still.

[@Omnihil777]

"These Luger things seem to sell, maybe I'll try a toggle link this time...?" _No, Andreas, your 1898 was perfectly OK.

[@Intelwinsbigly]

@@Omnihil777 telling someone with passion that they have peaked and should stop striving to be better is one of the worst things you can do.

[@briansnyder8494]

That must have been where Weller got the design for their soldering gun. Patent must have run out.

[@psychwardsandSCENE]

@@Intelwinsbigly forcing tech on your gun you clearly don't care about because someone else did it isn't "striving to be better". you're a dolt. why is it always the biggest fools that love to run their mouths?

[@Intelwinsbigly]

@@psychwardsandSCENE sounds like you peaked in highschool.

[@TheNotrussian]

I just love these old pistols, they just look so much better then the new polymer pistols.

[@duck636]

@@GuyFierisShirt I wonder if polymer guns will still functiion after a 100 years?

[@samholdsworth3957]

They were the Tesla's of their day

[@samholdsworth3957]

@@duck636 no...

[@jerkfudgewater147]

The new pistols look like “they changed just enough not to lose their patent and to sell idiots something new... which they aren’t” Other than the Rhino revolvers... whats actually new in the last 25 years?????

[@nateharder2286]

Yeah modern pistols all look the same

[@carlistasycia]

As an anecdote, the town of Eibar where all the pistols where produced was defended during the Spanish Civil War with Schwarzlose machine guns operated by the Euzko Gudarostea.

[@balazstorok9265]

I always wanted a gun opens every direction like an umbrella

[@jimvandemoter6961]

The more I see these early automatic pistols and rifles, the more I appreciate the genius of John Browning. He understood how to make a simple yet effective design. That' why, over a hundred years later Browning designs are still in use.

[@brucemccreary38]

It is interesting; I noticed the white shade of color for the striker and the mainspring lifter parts. The steel alloy in these two parts look similiar to the C96 bolt color. I had a C96 bolt metalurgically analyzed many years ago and it was found to have a high nickel content. It looks like the steel for the two aforementioned parts may also have a high nickel content. Those early nickel alloy steels were hard and very white looking.

[@jesuizanmich]

Whenever I see Schwarzlose in the title, I know it's going to be something cool. The 1898 is one of my favourite designs from the early automatic pistols. I don't think Schwarzlose was able to figure out how to fix the potential safety issue, though. Even if he could stop the bolt from flying back at you--in the event of the lug at the back shearing--the firing pin and spring would still fly out of it since the bolt is essentially just a tube. I'm no gun engineer, but I imagine "fixing" the design might have required so many changes that Schwarzlose must have thought it's easier to just try other locking mechanisms. The pistol is not at all complex, and unless tubes are expensive to manufacture, I cannot imagine it would cost such an extraordinary sum that no military was willing to adopt it. It must have been a problem with marketing, and that safety issue.

[@russbilzing5348]

Any time that any military trials are held, one of the main concerns is whether the pistol in question can be stripped down and reassembled under urgent conditions without rendering it useless by the loss of one or more parts. This design, in takedown, makes a point of not meeting those needs.

[@jesuizanmich]

​@@russbilzing5348 I may be wrong, but I think we may be talking about different things. It's been some time, so I don't remember, but I believe my comment relates to Ian's comment near the end of this video, which is about the 1898, not this toggle-delayed 1901. I'm wondering, like Ian points out, why Andreas Schwarzlose would move from his 1898 rotating bolt design to this weird toggle-delayed design. The 1898 was much simpler. Disassembly is mainly pulling out one pin that holds the slide to the frame (much like many modern guns). About this design, yea, it's more complicated than things like the Luger (especially that loose link that connects the mainspring to the toggle), but arguably not by much. It's not the most complicated disassembly to be adopted, especially when iterative design can help like it did every other gun adopted early 1900s. But even then I wouldn't defend it.

[@Omnihil777]

What an interesting concept, thanks Ian for the presentation! I'm quite a Schwarzlose fan, got a cutaway from the 1898 model on my wall, right beside the cutaway of the Curta mechanical calculator. Love these mechanical marvels! Andreas Schwarzlose liked little levers, didn't he?

[@dougler500]

I love that cocking lever on the toggle, looks like it gives a nice grip as opposed to the kind of awkward luger style.

[@drpsionic]

I just have visions of Ian taking a gun apart and not getting it back together again.

[@haramanggapuja]

Thought the same thing. A ton of tiny parts to confuse, lose & get out alignment.

[@haroldbalzac6336]

It's a good thing he records the process.

[@Retr0Whiskey]

@@haramanggapuja And that my friend, is part of the reason why he records the disassembly process.

[@dj1NM3]

Considering that the barrel and bolt don't move together (like in the P08 Luger), I guess this is really a very complex way to make a blowback pistol. That coiled mainspring is what seems to be holding the bolt closed.

[@0ldFrittenfett]

Superb! Nearly nailed the pronounciation of Schwarzlose! Gun Jesus is the man!

[@JessHull]

OMG I love it's oddness.

[@ronaldcolman6211]

That thing is cool. Just a whole different way of thinking.

[@1NOTEGBEATZ]

NICE new camera Ian :) Keep doing you, you guys! Most people just aren't interested in the designs that led to our most well known and most efficient gun designs ever.

[@JoePani1]

Wow, this is special stuff. Thanks for sharing.

[@patrickdebellefeuille4196]

You are as interesting to watch as the guns are!

[@sirlucient6943]

You always know so much about the history and specs of these firearms. Do you sit down and get a overview from someone else, then go from memory? Or do you just have thousands of separate firearm schematics memorized? lol I've never seen you look at any notes or anything, unless you have cue-cards by the camera. Never-the-less, good video and an interesting old firearm. Keep up the excellent work, I greatly appreciate your dedication to historical firearms, and really enjoy learning about these unique pieces of history.

[@md_vandenberg]

I've watched probably 100 Gun Jesus videos and I've seen him look at a notebook _once._ Ian is just that good.

[@Insanabiliter_In_Linea]

5:02 "Are you cocked and ready to fire or are you just happy to see me?"

[@sashimanu]

Came here for this comment

[@emrgedlist7795]

I Love these videos im learning so mutch

[@illwayz313]

Thanks again Ian. You're a badass knowledgeable gun god. Keep up the good work!

[@Jesses001]

That is a neat design, though a bit complicated. Kind of like a backwards P08 Luger. Defiantly a different design you do not see very often.

[@johnboone9917]

Interesting design. The cocked indicator is rather lengthy, but I'm guessing that's just due to it being an experimental design. Had it gone into full production, Schwarzlose may have cut it down some. That's just conjecture of course, but it would seem logical. Another great video Ian!

[@Schmidt54]

"Schwarzlose" sounds like a word someone created for the sole purpose to twist the tongues of non-native speakers. :D

[@Schmidt54]

@Masemeno Nasaku That is easy. Try Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaft or something serious. :D

[@RokuroCarisu]

@@Schmidt54 Or the Bavarian classic: Oachkatzlschwoaf.

[@jd-nj8kn]

Love you Gun Jesus.

[@ThezUProduction]

Love your channel & inrangetv

[@emiliomurillo20]

i don't understand why they did not go to blow back like the modern hi point, they had the tech back then

[@evanbrace5111]

"It's a big gun" -For you

[@srspower]

I'm impressed with the quality of the grips, are they original?

[@JenniferinIllinois]

With that striker assembly sticking out the back, there is no excuse for not knowing the gun is ready to fire! Hehehe... -Jen

[@deepfriedpotatoes9888]

Mom can we have Luger? No, we have Luger at home Luger at home:

[@brillenfux4687]

6:35 *pew* There goes the spring :P (Ian knew, though)

[@flyinbiker2001]

Gotcha.... when explaining the striker's catch to the sear you were holding it backwards

[@feudiable]

Do you know/guess why we don't see toggle mechanisms on modern guns? (at least I'm not aware of any)

[@ToastyMozart]

feudiable Mechanical complexity, mostly. We've gotten really good at making simple and effective breech-locked mechanisms, and toggle-locks don't offer much of an advantage to make them worth the extra cost.

[@lucianene7741]

I think delayed blowback as a principle is obsolete because:- It can work with only one precisely tuned load. If you vary the powder charge or the bullet weight even slightly it may not cycle at all or open the breech prematurely;- It implies high pressure extraction which has a number of disadvantages: it's unreliable, may require oiled ammunition or fluted chambers, blows hot gas into the receiver fouling it and drying up lubrication;- Being an unlocked breech system it's inherently unsafe;

[@theodoreroosevelt3143]

i need to ask, why there is(or it but i don't knowe..) no factory that is producing old ammo to olds guns? this is USA, there always will be place where someone need ammo to old gun

[@jackandersen1262]

Tomek Inn if you can’t easily make the ammo from existing cartridges, then it would be too expensive for too small of a market. Fiochi does make some obsolete cartridges (8mm French ordinance, 9mm Roth Steyr, etc.)

[@user-mk7ol5rv1u]

mom can we have luger? no we have luger at home luger at home:

[@JerryEricsson]

I have always loved the 30 Mauser cartridge, it was way ahead of it's time and is still a substantial round in it's Russian/Chinese guns of WWII and beyond, lots of power, flat shooting, overall a great idea. That gun looks like it would have been a fun shooter as well, to bad it never saw production, I wouldn't mind having one, kind of make me wish I had kept my old Tokarov, I had a Russian built bring home I picked up from the soldier who brought it home along with an SKS. He wanted it back after he learned I had some ammo for it, he had been trying to feed it .30 luger ammo with a lot of disappointment. So I traded it back for the old M1911 I had originally traded to him. Alas Agent Orange took him a few years back, wonder what his wife did with that pistol?

[@verrueckteriwan]

any chance you get your hands on a Steyr GB pistol?

[@Messerwerkstatt]

really cool , thanks

[@MrDoctorCrow]

"Its a big gun" FOR YOU

[@Equiluxe1]

The spike came out inside the bolt it then remained out after the bolt returned to battery, so the firing pin would not penetrate the shooter but the bolt sure would smack you.

[@TheKemist87]

No, the striker's tail remains exposed untill you pull the trigger

[@Equiluxe1]

That is what I said the bolt returns and the striker/spike remains but the striker does not come out before the bolt it come out inside the bolt.

[@mattsamoto4451]

Sometimes i wonder what fever dream they had to come up with some of these idea's.

[@madsdarre4229]

looks abit like a luger and a c96 had a baby

[@jasondoe2596]

...but it doesn't look like either?

[@madsdarre4229]

well i guess you're right, it looks like the child of a luger though, wouldnt you agree?

[@austoful]

Mads Darre looks more like luger's fat unkle.

[@reveredreverie]

looks more like a type 14 and a Luger had a baby, doesn't it?

[@krunchie101]

Mads Darre a product of incest

[@sabre0smile]

Mutter, kann ich haben ein Luger? Mom: Nein, wir haben Luger zu Hause! Luger zu Hause:

[@timo4463]

Close my friend but very funny The first sentence is: Kann ich eine luger haben The second: Nein wir haben eine luger zuhause And the kart is correct %)

[@tomspotley5733]

Thanks Ian. Beautiful hair as always.

[@worldtraveler930]

I Think that it is Wicked Cool and would be Proud to have one (real or reproduction).

[@ohmyshou1der]

School must have been fun for Andreas.

[@StridingMan]

Some say he died a virgin.

[@ohmyshou1der]

His name is Schwarzlose. In german cockless means schwanzlos. Schwanzlose would be "cockless people".

[@sms4669]

now we know why he started to design guns

[@marshaul]

Repeating the lefty meme about gun guys and their dicks? That wasn't funny the first time, much less the 10 millionth (only gays think about other dudes' junk, FFS). Ban yourself from Forgotten Weapons and the other decent parts of youtube, thanks

[@StridingMan]

Do you speak German?

[@Beowulf_98]

hi Ian, great video just to say in interest can I have a obsolete caliber weapon delivered to the UK?

[@alimanski7941]

It seems the safety lever also partially blocks the extractor?

[@Shad0wBoxxer]

I would never want to own this gun just because of how hard it is to clean

[@JobiWanification]

Huh? Who clicks dislike on this video? Did someone get dislikes on the video on their kids birthday party and decide to go on a warpath?

[@TroopperFoFo]

Well there are dislike bots that just are programed to dislike random videos.

[@paulmanson253]

TroopperFoFo What would be the purpose of such ? Is the dislike function tied in to other stuff ?

[@TroopperFoFo]

Well likes and dislikes don't actually differ. There are a couple videos on here that show both liking and disliking makes it more likely to appear higher on the feed. So I don't really know the purpose of a dislike bot.

[@kenibnanak5554]

Where did you find the KZbin video on field stripping this? :)

[@TrikeRoadPoet]

How powerful was the Mauser round for this gun? Compared to say a 9mm or a Webley?

[@SlavicCelery]

TrikeRoadPoet slightly less than 7.62 tok.

[@phillipsullivan3400]

How do the ejected cases get clear of the toggle?

[@Taolan8472]

That striker pin, holy hell. Looking at the design it's almost like this wasn't intended to be a commercial or service weapon, more a proof-of-concept to try and redesign / clone / out-do the Luger, maybe?

[@tiortedrootsky]

Fixed barrel, toggle delayed mechanism. Just like the Schwarzlose 1907 heavy machine gun! Wow! Imagine implementing this to laugo alien! The toggle is upside down, helping with keeping the muzzle down. No gas system - less fouling. Probably the case starts to go back slower, than with the gas delayed blowback, maybe there is less possibility for case rupture. This could be glorious! i.ibb.co/sFmSqjb/1-2.png

[@Blondie-Actual]

God dammit ian, now I want one.

[@brianmiller9365]

At least the safety works "like a safety should". (down=fire up=safe) *BGM.41

[@rickautry2759]

Now that we have the pistol unassembled, we can use it in the way it's most suited for, we can run around screaming and bopping people about the face and head! (This, right after he dropped the pistol on it's exposed 'cocking indicator'.

[@surplussean3364]

"That one's kinda stiff"....That's what she said

[@rickautry2759]

I love all of Mr. S's other work, but I'm afraid running around with a pistol that's so 'excited' that it's ready to fire doesn't really seem all that polite to me.

[@OG_doomguy]

"mom can i have a carry weapon Mom: we have a carry weapon at home Carry weapon at home:

[@LaterMeansBrick]

This thing looks just amazing. Steampunk - The gun.

[@mulletjocks]

When Ian says "Thanks for watching guys..." and you know its time to flip your phone back from widescreen and hit "like"

[@aldi404]

I always like when the video starts :)

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

This one sure is an odd duck, but interesting nonetheless

[@apeGER]

is there a blow back and blow forward mechanism in one pistol out there?

[@Breakfast_and_Bullets]

5:42 - "ch ch-ch ch-ch-ch-chshhhhhh....." :D

[@FokkerAce1917]

I've seen the patent for this but I never knew there was actually a prototype made! US Patent 804506 A if anyone is interested.

[@thurin84]

8:26 thats what she said!

[@pietzeekoe]

How does the disconnector work?

[@germanwarrabbit]

what is it with germans and toggle locks

[@Gojiro7]

why in my head do I picture Flash Gordon pointing that thing at people?

[@RichCommander]

Ian you should make a video explaining in detail how you get access to all of these rare firearms. Not just, "it's from a private collection," but the whole process.

[@Chaosrain112]

It looks kinda like a tiny Borschardt.

[@michaelking8483]

where's the mg link

[@swln1964]

PARABELLUM !!!

[@surplussean3364]

No way you'll get a light primer strike

[@srastronautazinho7989]

Their is other model

[@clarkmirkbell880]

Someone know a Toggle Delay Or Toggle Lock Style Modern Gun ( Cold War - Today )

[@bobbylee2853]

Walther outright copied that grip.

[@RokuroCarisu]

With its compact design, this gun looks like it could work as the base for a... maybe not effective, but at least plausible gunblade. And by that I mean putting a blade on top and building a crossguard around the barrel (and striker tail).

[@PieterBreda]

Theretoo many parts you can lose.

[@fotoschopro1230]

You need a German to pronounce these names. Take me!

[@rickautry2759]

Gods, what a mess! Spending too much time on that 7% solution.

[@williamowens4821]

What will happen when Ian has run out of forgotten, strange, one off or just unique firearms to show us ?

[@LawkzBro]

that would be the end of the world (or at least the end of old firearm collectionism), as time passes more weapons will become old, unique and forgotten the videos would just have bigger intervals between them

[@williamowens4821]

Pedro Vanderlei At this rate of quality videos...we may run out sooner than you think. Firearms have only been with us for a short period when you consider the history of man. For awhile they were simple machines. Not the complex, beautiful or... terribly engineered failures that Ian shows to us. Someone once said "If you create a monster, you have to feed it". This channel is now a monster. The task of feeding it will get harder over time.

[@LawkzBro]

what i mean is: guns like the AKs and m16/ar15 will be considered old and be qualified to be in this channel, even if guns are a recent creation in human history, as long as we make more of them, more of them will also become forgotten weapons (name drop)

[@williamowens4821]

Pedro Vanderlei true. But the demand of a video every day or so will be A LOT of content. The AR-15 or AK Platform guns won't be considered old or obsolete or forgotten for many generations. I don't think they will ever be featured when talking about "Forgotten weapons" they're too common.

[@funshootin1]

Zach Owens firearms have had a couple hundred years of bad ideas , weird failed design , or just impractical weapons so it'll be a good while till they run out.. he could do a year of vids on the Cody museums pieces alone.. the old Aberdeen proving grounds museum was moved a few years back but it's got just about anything you can imagine. . some pieces I remember seeing there he's done episodes on but theres so many just in that collection. .. the Davey Crockett nuclear recoiless rifle comes to mind. . can't wait for the episode on that

[@mirorih2TheTrueFinnmarkWierdo]

Werrnow

[@nmurray126]

I have seen several of these videos of late 19th and early 20th century semi-auto pistols. What real advantage do these have over revolvers of the same time period? The semi-autos were less realible, cost much more and usually less powerfull. Maybe, one or two more rounds over a revolver, would be the only positive. I can imagine all the problems you may have with all the numerous finicky working parts, in a dirty enviroment. I wonder what drove inventers to want to make these pistols at the time and not just make the perfect revolver.

[@mattorama]

They saw the potential. A primitive autoloader might indeed be inferior to a refined revolver, but the autoloader has the potential to be far better if they could get it to work smoothly.

[@amperzand9162]

They saw what could be.

[@ajhayden3307]

first

[@warmonger1362]

More cussing please.

[@munkSWE88]

Bullpup pistol.

[@gabber88ful]

munkSWE88 boberg has one if i typed correctly

[@wesleyruff4997]

that is by far the ugliest gun ive ever seen