The Hard Problem of Matter: Deepak Chopra and Rupert Spira

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A Conversation with Deepak Chopra and Rupert Spira exploring the classic idealism vs materialism divide.
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[@FoolishlyAlive]

Rupert is quite possibly, for matters of being, the best teacher one could ever hope for.

[@sunnybenton]

He's terrible.

[@johnburman966]

He even winds up the trolls.

[@Alix777.]

A bit too intellectual for my taste

[@is-ness]

For your personality… right? Or are you the master voice of all?

[@juliangiulio3147]

dunno about that, but great name!

[@ecemwashere.]

‘’Time is what eternity looks like when viewed through thoughts; space is what infinity looks like when viewed through perception.’’ -Rupert loved this conversation 🙏

[@bennyskim]

I don't find "space" or "time" or an XYZ coordinate system to be sufficient to explain reality anymore. But I like the rest of this quote. We can imagine "timeless" and "spaceless" objects, for example "a red cube" that is not in any space or time context, it's just that red cube in your mind. Or you could imagine abstract objects like "the smell of coffee". The only constraint it seems, with perception or thoughts is that they are necessarily object-oriented. Any attempt to cognize a mere feature of an object casts it as a new object. That's why we find smaller and smaller particles, we can't see it any other way.

[@Ron-rk6iz]

Tell this to the folks in Ukraine and they become soooo happy.

[@lucveu]

Deepak is not fake, he is rather “me, asking my questions” . I myself can not ask them. So, thank you Deepak, for this interview.

[@kareliajose]

“ Consciousness is that in which all experience appears, with which all experience is known and out of which all experience is made.” BRILLIANT!!!🙏

[@nitishgautam5728]

How do you know that this statement is right?

[@kathrynphillips3710]

Rupert is a true master of peace 🙏 and a wonderful teacher of non- duality

[@christinedavison7604]

Been a follower of Rupert Spira for a while now. His talks helped me so much during the pandemic. I found it so easy to understand, and I remember a line from Rumi that says it all in a nutshell, What you are looking for is where you are looking from. I am that that I seek. Absolutely beautiful and mind blowing. 🙏💙🙏

[@christinedavison7604]

@@oscar3490 Namaste Oscar, Its self explanatory, use your heart not your head. Blessings to you. 🙏💙🙏

[@kathrynphillips3710]

Beautiful! Love that 💗 I agree i think Rupert is the best non- duality teacher in my book anyways 💗

[@mementomori8685]

Now you're no more? On what point you do not follow him any more? I don't know Rupert too much. Watched a couple of his video clips.

[@Uroki_ANGLIYSKOGO_s_Nulya_]

@@christinedavison7604 "You hide in me and I hide in you, we hide in each other" (RUMI)

[@anthonyw6488]

I love how Rupert deftly handled Deepak's wonderful separate self, so eager to insert itself.

[@richardeidemiller6739]

Deepak is humbly inserting things that many would who do not fully grasp this. If we are all one consciousness it doesn't negate separate personalities, nor levels of understanding. It is Deepaks stage and I feel his admiration for Rupert and enjoy his willingness to take the separate self position to get better clarity and explanation out of Rupert. As he said for people to understand this. Vicki

[@versoturner5777]

@@richardeidemiller6739hanks for sharing this, because I get frustrated with explaining this and forget this very valid point of view. I'll work to be more accommodating.

[@peterdoran1512]

@@versoturner5777 Why is Rupert so obsessed with consciousness as it is a common daily experience for people I feel he's making a big deal out of it. And I don't agree that one can not experience the past, take the experience of having sex if one recall the act it's can cause a physical arousal which is proof of the past influencing the present.

[@danfowles8290]

That is indeed a thought about 'the past' but it is a thought that is being experienced in the present moment, and in that sense there is no past that exists, only thoughts appearing in the present moment. It would be precisely the same for 'the future'

[@Patricia-vd9xh]

As Chopra pointed out at the beginning, he is doing his job as interviewer by offering opportunities for Rupert to explain the nuances of his ideas. It is not a competition.

[@ThisUnifiedField]

"Don't get lost in the experience, let the experience get lost in You."

[@dalemcnitt1190]

Deepak wrote a blurb on Rupert's most recent book "You are the Happiness You Seek" and said, " I've gained deeper understanding listening to Rupert Spira than I have from any other exponent of modern spirituality."

[@alone15151]

Rupert is amazingly eloquent and understandable. Not surprised.

[@is-ness]

That’s great. Why is he here acting like he knows ( listen closely.Sam Harris obliterated him and he has not learned $$$$) here I wonder whereas anyone that actually knows it, spent time close to someone that does sees Deepak is an actor of knowing truth. That’s the laughter in the room. Sit down Deepak. You’re distorting truth for millions and a karmic debt you don’t have much time to correct. True silence is a mystery to you and complication the norm.

[@serafimsousa5383]

@@is-ness "I" came to the same "understanding"...."He" is still in prison.

[@pattyronco4217]

😂😂

[@is-ness]

​@@serafimsousa5383absolutely but in the very tricky im awake trap.

[@doramaso]

The nature of consciousness is not to know Itself. It already knows. It wants to experience its knowing, hence the physical universe.

[@user-tz2fx8nk4l]

I love how Deepak manages the conversation with Rupert without friction.

[@juliangiulio3147]

I see/feel LOADS of tension! You like Rupert's Devotees laughing at him!?

[@artofunk]

Tension?? Naw, it’s delightful… it’s love 😊

[@juliangiulio3147]

@@artofunk haha, you can ignore zee elephant in zee room, you will perceive as u wish... I am not saying it is how they would be on their own, I imagine they are good if not great friends in natural life ... But I am afraid poor Deepak is eliciting a kind if gross ignorance (i.. laughing at a so-called 'stupid' person, which is amongst, perhaps, the highest ignorance any one of us could display!) ) from the audience, and not only that, it is SO MANY of them! (Which is the most disturbing thing) rupert -I can't tell how he really feels, plays a long with it!! explain yourself if you care, Artofunk! Really, not seeing something plain and obvious to most! I think you must see it. So how do you interpret the laughter!

[@artofunk]

@@juliangiulio3147 thanks for sharing. I’ll just say that the nature of our being is happiness.. adopting this from Rupert, I see these two displaying happiness in this exchange…

[@juliangiulio3147]

@@artofunk Ok... We (or those who are concerned) are really talking of the audience! There are many Rupert-sceptics in the human-spirituality world, but they rarely come to see him talking!

[@James-3000]

Love me some Rupert, something about his patient, slow & steady approach always cuts through the noise

[@waynemcdaniel7405]

This conversation towards the end brought tears to my eyes when Rupert talks about the source of happiness. So powerful to be a living experience of happiness at the core of our being.🙏🏾

[@DanielLeeMarch2001]

“Matter is the way consciousness appears to itself when viewed through the prism of a finite mind. The finite mind always knows experience in duality, that is, in subject-object relationship, so the object must appear in a way that is distinct from the subject subject.” - Rupert Spira

[@karashkarash5922]

I respect both beings in their represention of the Infinite/Absolute . It's shallow to compare, but you have to remember from the start of the video DEEPAK took the position of interviewing and Rupert as the interviewed. Rupert gets the LAST SAY say while Deepak comfortably sits back and listens. Both playing their roles perfectly.

[@is-ness]

No. Deepak is not enlightened. He believes he is and thus convincing but there is no illumination there at all. Rupert gently holding him accountable. Sometimes in shock at his delusional.

[@I-am-now]

If one can assimilate the information shared by Rupert in their own experience! One is free here and now ! Such clarity in the teachings. It’s a great privilege and a blessing to listen to these talks

[@lillili77]

I'm only halfway through and it's already one of my favourite talks about consciousness

[@ahmednasser9962]

Same. Powerful profound talk here

[@juliangiulio3147]

@SIMPLY HUMAN This is not what other contemporary sages say -nor is it what quantum mechanics is suggesting! Deepak is no materialist.. He is just asking questions for the common-person -which Rupert 'devotees' laugh at - which I find quite horrible (but if people find something is funny to one it is funny!)

[@ahmednasser9962]

@SIMPLY HUMAN ur trapped in language. I’ve been following Rupert for years. His teachings are vendanta. Non duality. It’s not absurd. I know people who had an awakening from his teachings. Stop being so critical and mental. If it doesn’t sit well with u then move on. U don’t need to call what they say absurd. Rupert is pointing to the non dual state which is “consciousness” but that’s just a word. The essence of reality is beyond words. Consciousness does not arise out of matter. Matter arises out of consciousness. And matter itself isn’t really matter. Matter is made of consciousness. The building blocks of matter is non material. I dislike when people knock on people when these people are trying to speak about the unspeakable and the unknowable. Meaning the unknowable can’t be known with the mind. One must move past mind to get a glimpse of what they are pointing to

[@lillili77]

@SIMPLY HUMAN I've been listening to the likes of Rupert Sheldrake, Chalmers and follow panpsychism and find them incredibly interesting. But Rupert spira takes it a step further than they do, or at least I haven't heard them take it this far. The way he describes consciousness is pretty spot on with vedic teachings. You say 'something is conscious. something is not consciousness' - how can that be? Non duality by it's very nature is all encompassing. It is both subject and object. It is everything.

[@lillili77]

@SIMPLY HUMAN did you watch the full conversation? They do address this point.

[@shlomo8448]

Very clear simple ontology by Rupert. Masterful.

[@nazeemummer1]

Deepak Chopra has brought this topic wide reach and acceptance

[@dianetemple5608]

Wonderful conversation. Love their mutual respect . And joined in with the cosmic laughter at our human struggle to express what is ineffable 🎈🎈 , what is ridiculously obscure until the moment of getting it! Bravo.

[@monicanguyen1315]

Love the dialogue between Deepak and Rupert. Thank you 🙏

[@jann9507]

Loved this talk; Appreciate Deepak’s questions build on the discussion to help conceptual clarity.

[@Jagombe1]

"How does this understanding alleviate human suffering?" Deepak asks. To me, that is the most important question!

[@juliangiulio3147]

@SIMPLY HUMAN why do you separate 'Understanding' and knowing your true nature. They are the same thing!

[@is-ness]

Experientially they are not if understanding you mean someone has described the taste of sugar but you have not tasted it. This means one can distort that over time in communicating that to others and inflate a spiritual ego. Eg Deepak etc etc etc etc etc etc Knowing is EXTREMELY rare and The understanders get trapped….deeply usually at mental understanding and why Ramana said it was for the end of the path. Few get the sacrifice and healing within that needs to occur to hold knowing ongoing. Hence Raman’s words his teaching followers have forgotten either by accident or design. Teaching the end to ignorance that’s too deep traps the node of consciousness or human being longer. If we now reply with the is no person and it’s not your radiant experience ongoing than my point is proven. Rupert does not mention the light experienced by that and “others” enough imo that allows large followings but is a trap for most as the claim WAY to early and that mitigate it to an imagined knowing.

[@is-ness]

He also explains THAT the unexplainable non state wonderfully!

[@juliangiulio3147]

@@is-ness That the 'me' (the 'separate thing me,' apart from God or the Whole) does not exist in any shape or from is what is crucial if really want to awaken and 'go for' what-is-known-from-here as 'Enlightenment'... which is just an awakening, or a 'recognition' (Spira's words) for it. It is simple and no big-deal on the one hand, but it is Huge and momentous on the other, affecting everything in our lives and -albeit in a subtle way perhaps, ever being we may encounter! If we KNOW this (you suggested it is very rare), then we will never get a spiritual ego - for that whole mistaken disease' has died. Gurdjieff says 'we can allow ourselves to fall asleep with others' -i.e. whom have no interest in the Depth, Truth and Power of being truly awake - but we should not get lost: once we have seen the so-called 'snake' as a rope, we are never fooled, really ever again! Re Mr. Chopra, I might be wrong, which is partly why I make comments elsewhere, but I believe you misunderstand what Deepak is doing. Recently he has had his own 'dark night of the soul' and I think he gets it more than just in his mind! Here, (this is where I might be wrong?) to me he is playing the role of the 'ignorant' seeker, for the sake of Rupert elucidation misunderstand But what he says is perfectly fine, from 99.9% of people in the world - to which the incredibly condescending and worse audience laugh at! How they must look down on the average person in life! Gurdjieff called them 'tramps'! Mr Spira kind of utilises it, he seems to slightly play the role of the serious one who agrees with their humour but is 'above' it. This is what my sensitivity and awareness gleans from some of this encounter. I think Rupert gets it, and is a Good guy, but all teacher share their human limitations, and Rupert certainly does.

[@juliangiulio3147]

@SIMPLY HUMAN No sir, not for me. There is no death for the I that we are. That is the whole point! All the matters -always and everywhere, is how you are right now! That is our choice/non-choice; everything else is an escape from the directness and Here-ness and depth of Reality, of Life or aliveness right right here and now. I myself don't differentiate b/ween those first two words, not would word it like that in yr second sentence! I wonder what is the point if you are random conscious life temporarily inhabiting some form

[@skyotter3317]

The One Mind of Love is waking up to "Itself" through each of us together. How glorious!

[@Qworld00]

It was great listening to the two separate individuals talking about a fourth thing conceptually. I am the third separate individual trying desperately to feel the enlightenment experience. The fourth thing they were talking about was probably untalkable, unnameable, unknowable. But they tried their best and the discussion went beautifully from beginning to the end leaving no trace behind like the flight of the eagle in the sky.

[@raghupalsingh8895]

Amazing and unbelievable stuff. Rupert explains things with so much of simplicity, clarity and conviction that it straight way penetrates into you. With this my interest in the subject further deepened. In all, an enlightening expetience. 👍👌

[@kathrynphillips3710]

i hope everyone is blessed enough to find these priceless gems of wisdom, and be uplifted inspired and enlightened 💗🙏💗

[@deanrivers4330]

Rupert reminds me so much of Jiddu Krishnamurty, different styles but so much similarity...mannerism, grace, posture, conduct etc

[@rotgutthebloated4730]

Both are highly intellectual. But i feel JK is on a even higher level. Also JK talks about our direct experience of life, where Rupert talks about objective reality but we dont have much use of that since its not our direct experience of life.

[@kathrynphillips3710]

Laughter and humility are the great way- showers to our natural state of self

[@andrecosta9e]

Lovable Rupert thank You

[@Vanipoirier]

Nice Exchanges Deepak asked in a very clear and consise manner all the questions we all have about awareness, dreams, deep sleep, physical and emotional body, suffering, pain, old age, birth, death, the world appearing...... And Rupert as usual give very clear answers from Eternal Consciousness, Eternal Being... Sat Chit Ananda 😊😊😊😊😊

[@mindfulkayaker7737]

Maya is that “force” which makes the non dimensional nature of reality appears as a three dimensional world. Is the first time I get a glimpse of the real meaning of this such important concept in Non Duality. Thank you

[@ramvinayseddabattula9372]

LOL. Is everyone just enjoying complicated slang based on some basic principles taken from ancient scripts. Deepak chopra just using so unnecessary slang making him look good lol but no sense at all lol

[@vioricahafsi5808]

@SIMPLY HUMAN The rabbit IS an appearance in consciousness. Life is an illusion , a mental happening. Is like the night dream, happening in consciousnes.The "creation " is mental not phisical.The "creator " is the Consciousness not an entity . And the sourse of the consciousness is the Absolute. The only thing real is the Absolute and "inside " the Absolute consciusness arise and "say" " I am" , the first thought .The consciousness produce thoughts not the individual mind.When the cosciousness identify with that thought "I am" apear the ego the individual mind ( the idea that you are the body). "I" is only a thought. You are only a thought in conscuiousness and anything else , any "thing" "object, body animal , feeling ...appear in consciousness like a dream from night. Only the Absolute is real and you (us) are That. Enlightment is realise that you are not the body/mind but the Absolute. In fact you desapear like an "I" and realise that always were the Absolute, the source of everything that apear only aparently.

[@benaregai9416]

@SIMPLY HUMAN why do you assume the universe was created?

[@benaregai9416]

@SIMPLY HUMAN what is being created and destroyed ?

[@benaregai9416]

@SIMPLY HUMAN how is that not an appearence within conciousness

[@sheldic1]

Rupert is a force!

[@Isabelpeace]

What a wonderful discussion ❤

[@Wendy63Lorraine]

We are our essential nature, theres nothing to do, no place to be. We are home. Peace, love, compassion, trust, kindness, arises from letting go of our beliefs about who we think we really are. Loving awareness consciousness. The light, that shines on thoughts, and perceptions about our thoughts. We can take our thoughts lightly, they never stay anyway. Enjoying this experience we call life.

[@shantisamadhi7695]

Thank you, Rupert Spira 🙏✨️

[@janethouk8964]

Peace and Happiness is the essential nature of my Being. I share my Being with everyone and everything.

[@mojoomla]

Wait till you get your next toothache !

[@raphaelsdream3472]

"Conceiving is a tumor, conceiving is a dart, conceiving is a sickness...." - The Buddha These guys are intensely involved in 'tying knots in the air with rope of speculation'. Exhausting 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@aisthpaoitht]

Well put.

[@sleepydank8330]

Consciousness is the space in which all experience occurs, from which all experience is known, out of which all experience is made. Abide as infinite self aware being, where all perceptions, images, emotions, ideas and thoughts are perceived from the spacious expanse of pure awareness

[@developingmajesticdesigns8843]

Thankyou.

[@alfreddifeo9642]

Two of the best beings on our planet. peace and happiness to All being everywhere and (nowhere).

[@Pegasus4213]

6:17 "Does anyone have any experience of the world, except seeing hearing touching tasting and smelling?" I think that we have inner senses - intuition impulses emotions feelings a sense of truth, beliefs etc all this is included in the way we experience our existence and life. I say this as a believer that all reality emerges from spiritual consciousness.

[@rotgutthebloated4730]

All that inner stuff you mentioned is most definitively not the experience of world. Its your own conclusions and psychological drama.

[@rotgutthebloated4730]

If you see a rock, you can only see it, or touch it. If you think and say, he is mostly white so all rocks must be white, thats not an experience.

[@michaeldillon3113]

I haven't heard the lecture yet but I love the phrase ' hard problem of matter ' 🙂🕉️

[@jorgetorres6162]

It's really hard, I tell you, trying to find it through some much BS

[@david203]

@@jorgetorres6162 But it is obvious, and rather trivial: if consciousness (awareness) is the ultimate reality, then the study of matter can never reveal what it is, since matter itself doesn't have a real existence of its own. It seems like BS to you because you have grown up with a materialistic philosophy (as have I). Belief in the primacy of matter seems obvious or self-evident, but that is an illusion. There is no proof that matter is primary to reality, just as there can be no proof that we are not realistic simulations inside some gigantic computer system.

[@IAn0nI]

"Matter" does not exist as standalone entities, nor do you. Consciousness precedes matter. Name and form constructs what the mind perceives to be static and matter through identifying with such thought forms and the immediate senses we have been given. Reality is beyond thought and the mind. Everything comes from the same One/Absolute in this whole cosmos.

[@michaeldillon3113]

@@IAn0nI As a follower of Advaita Vedanta in genera ,l and Sri Ramana Maharshi in particular, I agree with your statement.

[@IAn0nI]

@@michaeldillon3113 🙏

[@ssasdaftt3]

It was Universe teaching Deepak

[@ramabangalore]

Absolute bliss 🙏

[@johnsiegfried]

Yes, I understand. Thank you!

[@is-ness]

Deepak is the classic repeater of others knowledge while never admitting he hasn’t awakened. It’s quite tricky. Pick who you listen to very carefully as it’s very nuanced.

[@sainathpendkar]

True

[@coursefacilitator2342]

Both are the repeaters! They are the leftovers of the person I dnt want to name!

[@sainathpendkar]

@@coursefacilitator2342 please name... Or give a hint

[@bodhiheeren]

That's simply not true. Chopra has never claimed that he is enlightened. On the contrary he has made it clear he is not an awakened being.

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

@@sainathpendkar Don't mind the projections of someone's ego

[@cynthiaprice5284]

Wow this is deep !

[@paulabeing222]

If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you. ~Gospel of Thomas 🙏

[@larscincaid6348]

Deepak don't get it.

[@carolspencer6915]

Thankyou for your shared discussion and a wee laugh inbetween.💜

[@Andrew-yw6kt]

Has Rupert spoken anywhere on Osho? I love them both.

[@calirageh5988]

The explanation of entlightment with screens and electronics etc is something the ancient masters must have never thought that day would be experienced in conciousness hahahaha.

[@Janardhanpersonal]

Deepak pretending to be like doesn't know just to ask more questions on behalf of others but both of them are legends in spirituality and non dualism.

[@williamcallahan5218]

It's interesting to see the way Rupert sits up in his chair for most of the interview, back unsupported the way you would when sitting zazen. He seems to be always mindful of his position in the world.

[@TatTvaum]

He used to do seated chanting meditation for many years prior to discovering advaitic teaching. Perhaps he is well accustomed to sitting straight and unsupported.

[@buzzwordy9951]

Deep sleep is consciousness without sensations and perceptions. Consciousness never changes. Death is the end of the body mind but consciousness is ever present, eternal. Choiceless awareness is connecting with consciousness. Time is thought, Memory is thought. Without it there is no time.I am only mirroring what I have learned from you guys. Thank you so much.

[@dindialkissoon8668]

Highly scientific and philosophical. Everyone should seek the knowledge of the Vedas. The Vedas is universal

[@bodhiheeren]

Buzz Wordy if you are only mirroring and it's not your own authentic experience maybe you should be more careful about making these kinds of lofty statements about the mysteries of life ;-)

[@david203]

In all fairness, it should be admitted that the sleep experience of those not yet fully aware of their own awareness is not seen clearly, or is usually forgotten after waking up. When I teach, I am careful to acknowledge our everyday experiences before describing what "really" happens, or what happens after self-realization.

[@buzzwordy9951]

@@david203 Being aware of being aware.Thats it.

[@buzzwordy9951]

@@bodhiheeren Experience also my dear friend😀

[@pappy6561]

A Hindu and Buddhist agree! God is Love itSelf.

[@manojsingh9763]

Nice to listen sipara.. I m also on the path of self enquiry. Truth make us happy, nothing else. Listening or speaking.

[@donaldmacaskill5845]

Amazing , thank you Rupert.

[@karashkarash5922]

I like what Rupert is expressing , but to be awoke doesn't mean you are MR KNOW It all . Deepak has a lot of humility .

[@is-ness]

Rupert holding a fraud active awake accountable. Awake people need to do that or it all goes to hell.

[@helenormes404]

Wonderful.. thankyou Rupert and Deepak. so helpful

[@Tolepikin]

38:28 has anyone ever experienced a disappearance and appearance of awareness?!!! This is where Rupert displays once more his genius …

[@chanakyabharat756]

Nice conversation, Advait coming back with glory and let's not just listen but experience.

[@farya88]

I just to have to say wow "Rupert "

[@Rbrt0]

Beautiful minds!!!

[@johnm.4655]

Here's one that will throw you for a loop: "The physical world is in reality nothing more than inert matter. The inherent life and animation in all forms, from atoms to man, come from the subtle forces of the astral world. These, in turn, have evolved from the still finer forces of the causal or ideational creation, the creative vibratory thoughts emanating from the consciousness of God or Infinite Consciousness. Man, the microcosm, is in all respects, an epitome of the macrocosm. His physical body is gross matter. His life and his ability to perceive through the senses and cognize through the consciousness are dependent on the subtle powers and forces of his astral and causal bodies, all instruments of the indwelling soul or individualized consciousness of God." - Paramahansa Yogananda (God Talks with Arjuna, Vol. 1, p.59)

[@dexterseptember5787]

Love you both so much. Thankyou for you all your speeches and writings. They will live on beyond all our bodies❤

[@is-ness]

One will be timeless and one will be imagining timeless through words. Work out which. 🤣

[@dexterseptember5787]

@@is-ness Stopppp😹

[@dexterseptember5787]

@@is-ness don’t be so harsh on him. He dedicated his life to sharing the …. He just needs to lower that vocabulary for me to keep up. Lets just love bro.😅

[@michaelfrumson4318]

Thank you❤️❤️🙂

[@jackelinebadu9580]

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti 🙏

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

Love this

[@JamesBS]

Yes this was a tough lecture to understand for many people, as evidenced by the laughter

[@aisthpaoitht]

YES someone agrees with my take! This talk didn't do it for me. It was lacking a flow or... something.

[@skt1731]

With all due respect to the fame of Dr Deepak Chopra, much of his 'flowery mumbo jumbo' is painfully incomprehensible.

[@aisthpaoitht]

You sure you didn't mean Rupert?

[@is-ness]

​@@aisthpaoithtwhat did Rupert say that was off in your opinion?

[@petermartin5030]

On waking from deep sleep or anaesthetic we are aware we lack memory of our recent past, which we would usually have.

[@djdollase]

Poor Deepak: he has to sit there and get schooled by his younger friend in front of everyone. He embodies the Vedantic, “progressive” approach as Rupert calls it, while R embodies the (English)Tantric tradition of experience as guide. Very interesting to see these two together. Many thanks for this post!

[@lisawilliams4651]

I agree, they're both my fav teachers, along with Lisa Cairns, but I felt this was a hard watch. I felt sorry for Deepak, he was being beaten with the stick of pedanticness in front of all, when all he was trying to do was make it accessible to all, just like Oprah would do. Very Tony Parsons esc. Which isn't like Rupert's normal style.

[@david203]

Deepak is actually very humble, and, like many of us, wants to learn. He has also admitted that he has "the gift of gab", which, along with his early association with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, accounts for his fame and his many books and events. Often Deepak is the lecturer, but here he humbly takes his turn as student. They don't have much of a difference in background, as their common tradition can be traced to the Shankaracharya sampradaya in India. But when it comes to the basics of nonduality, there is no equal to the skill and experience of Rupert. It is a source of wonder, not at all a source of shame.

[@pentosmelmac8679]

The only way to know truth or reality is through personal experience. These kinds of discussions may inspire you to search within yourself but will not give you enlightenment. Moreover, trying to explain the truth through words only further confuses and enmires the practitioner in delusion. Good luck one and all on your search for truth.

[@michaeldiesner1078]

Isn't this also said in Christianity if you look at the creed in german - there is the phrase: "Denn durch ihn und mit ihm und in ihm, ist dir Gott allmächtiger Vater, in der Einheit des heiligen Geistes, alle Herrlichkeit und Ehre, jetzt und in Ewigkeit, Amen." This sounds so abstract and somehow artificial.. but with the words of Rupert it instantly makes perfect sense. 👌

[@sunshinecompany1]

Jesus taught non-duallity...NOT a christian religion!!!

[@susanwoodward7485]

Perception is the transduction of matter into consciousness and visa versa.

[@panosrg]

Well done!

[@VenusLover17]

Thanks

[@jinsideout2]

Beautiful conversation. For me a deepening Insight into the innate nature of consciousness. Thank you.

[@psammaudi]

Well it's nice that all of our knowledge about consciousness is merely an experience of a temporal knowing of abstract concepts irrelevant to the true nature of consciousness.

[@mytoobusr]

The multi faceted Eternal Diamond

[@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496]

I bet, although I had no choice but to post this, what I say here matters. Equally, there is absolutely nothing I could possibly add that would add to this perfect talk.

[@artofunk]

😊

[@earthenwhere2535]

Night and day difference between an ultra spiritual guru versus a true teacher like Rupert

[@qigonglove1240]

They're just debating. But I love seeing them debate

[@jerrysikora2024]

Many scientist bolive in dualism , for example Chalmers

[@goranmancevski5550]

One guy goes to Pharmacy and asks, do you have something for flies? I have a lot of them in the place I leave. Sure sir, we have. With this green spray you will push the fly in the corner, with this blue spray you will weaken it. And finally with the red one you will terminate it permanently. Wow, but, can I just do sljass with my hand? Yes, you can. That's the other way.

[@fransvanwamel76]

With joy I listen from the perspective that: Consciousness arises from two conflicting sensory inputs.

[@aisthpaoitht]

There is still the "hard" problem though - how do the two forces interact? The two forces being will/spirit/consciousness and the spacetime physical world.

[@eonoe11]

Yes Rupert consciousness doesn't go through the three states. Consciousness is static. It is its static nature that allows the detection of those three states that intrinsically contain change. If consciousness wasn't static, how could change be detected? There would be no "platform" that would allow detection. The inversion where consciousness loses itself in experience is rectified when consciousness knows this: without that which experiences, no experience exists.

[@DanielLeeMarch2001]

‘For that called Body is a portion of Soul discerned by the five Senses’ - William Blake

[@Iamsergiopagani]

There is another worldview. Life is BOTH dual and non dual. There is a spectrum from dual to non dual as consciousness becomes progressively more subtle.

[@johnmichael9713]

My awareness of causal/ temporal discontinuities suggests that I had been unaware for a time. I could not experience unawareness as it was happening, but I could experience it like a memory, or like deductive reasoning. I could know it by inference.

[@artofunk]

These two are my favs!! It’s so heart warming, delightful & just plain funny watching these guys add humor to this conversation.. I found myself lol!! That’s sweet… it’s special…& transformative… Thank U both…❤️♥️❤️🙏🏽🕉✌🏽👍🏽😊😃

[@itsmenikhil]

He explains it so well that it makes me laugh!

[@Welcometotheparadigmshift]

Rupert very frequently interrupts Chopra only to repeat his position again in the same worlds. At one point he flat out refused it when Chopra tried to discuss the body saying something like why do you need to think about the body? Chopra explained that was the topic of interest--matter, not just mind.

[@is-ness]

Chopra was being called out

[@isabelmorais9430]

Excelente! I love you both!

[@kirstenschreiber4189]

Me too

[@jayaram5127]

Im not sure about others here, but it is going to take me atleast 15-20 hours to carefully go through each and every statement made here, understand it as stated, take in the essence of that understanding and begin to introspect on what is understood. This is not some light hearted discourse, if you are a serious seeker, this is going to take some time.

[@LuciaLazzaro]

The conversation between them was awesome, Rupert's explanation about consciousness, finite self and the addiction to desire was very objective. I still having doubts about our necessity to sleep and, as per Rupert's answer, for consciousness there is no differentiation in the states (sleep - dream - deep dream), is that so? Another doubt that I have, if there aren't different dimensions, what about more evolved civilisation? If there are, are they also God's dream?

[@dantechersi6056]

From where yours doubt camm from? Invastigacion if you missing somthing and ask who is this one have doubt and what this doubt teling you and be aware of nature of arising doubt ,,dimension someone search cannot be outside concisness to bring awernes now your mind cal douwn then real peace arise and doubt disapeears

[@rotgutthebloated4730]

Ofc there are more evolved civilisations. The universe is too big and exist for too long for not having more civilisations then us. They are also consciouss if they evolved enough

[@david203]

Deepak Chopra refers to "the Mercury Galaxy" at about 6:04. There is no such astronomical object. There are billions of galaxies and there is the planet Mercury.

[@aisthpaoitht]

He said "Milky Way." Come on now.

[@Igor-gb1bg]

As far as I know Swami Vivekananda also said that maya is like a prism through whcih pure consciousness appear as time, space and cousation.

[@johnnyzee383]

So,to me this is another take on Biocentrism..the idea that matter,things,reality itself only exists because of consciousness. Robert Lanza explains this in his 2 books on Biocentrism. If the tree falls in the forest ,if we are not there to hear it does it make a sound?..indeed,if we are not there the tree nor the forest exists.