The Convergence of Science and Spirituality (Part One) | Donald Hoffman & Rupert Spira

[@HoscoFelix]

Great conversation, a meeting of two beautiful minds. Very well moderated too, an excellent balance of taking the guests' thoughts to the next logical step while being constructively provocative and keeping it grounded. Also, Mr Spira has such a poetic way of speaking that he's a pleasure to listen to no matter what he's saying!

[@mrnibelheim]

We are so privileged to be witnessing such an important moment in human history: physics, philosophy, neuroscience, cognitive psychology and spirituality are converging in a unique way for the first time, ever. This is a Copernican shift!

[@my3rs307]

​@SIMPLY HUMAN do you know what you are talking about?

[@my3rs307]

@SIMPLY HUMAN you're probably a materialist ?

[@my3rs307]

@SIMPLY HUMAN ok, and I'm an idealist

[@michalrusin6503]

@SIMPLY HUMAN some examples of those absurd ideas ?

[@michalrusin6503]

@SIMPLY HUMAN if you speak about consciousness then what is the problem in throwing things that appear in its field !?

[@anitastewart4359]

Two of my favorite great Minds coming together discussing one of my favorite topics with so many amazing insights, thanks to both and would love more of the conversation to continue.

[@david203]

About the fear of death, discussed right at the end: after many years of practicing Transcendental Meditation, six years ago the occurrence of Stage 4 colon cancer started a year of treatments that gave me constant feedback that I had lost all fear of death. From the moment of diagnosis through all the treatments I found myself enjoying the process as an interesting adventure, free of any anxiety, worries, or fears. There were times when the pain was almost unbearable, but I simply asked for pain medication, which worked nicely most of the time. Never did I wish for something different to happen; I accepted everything. I especially loved my devoted caregivers and my cancer support group. I agree with Hoffman that effective meditation really works to help us enjoy life. I have fortunately survived the cancer and have been free of it for over five years.

[@BeauSmithFtl]

What a beautiful awareness. Thank you for sharing your experience. Blessings to you.

[@pantherstealth1645]

I feel i am on the same path as you except they won’t give pain meds. No meds period. When i was 18 at my first non pediatric doctor, had me fill out the form and it asked if i have a history of drug use. I misunderstood and put YES because i had used magic mushrooms and weed a couple times. Since then, they have falsely marked me as an addict and will not medically assist me in any way. I am 40 now. Life is suffering and for every negative we experience here, we will exist in the exact opposite amount of the positive direction. We are creating the definitions and parameters of the truth of ultimate reality.❤

[@david203]

@@pantherstealth1645 I feel for you. It can be difficult to find a doctor who will listen and act as a proponent in getting your claim verified and your record changed. Keep looking. I am fairly certain that it is not acceptable in medical practice to deny pain medications to those in pain.

[@FromPlanetZX]

Really the same thing happens with Ramana Maharishi, He refused to take anesthesia for his cancer operation in Chennai and Doctors operated on him. Later he just said that he was witnessing his operation with the doctors.

[@1031jmurray]

I'm looking forward to death. I can't wait to see what's next

[@lindaross783]

Years ago I was listening to Dr. Hoffman speak about the codes behind the form, it was about a chair I believe. I suddenly had a shift and saw the simulation we are in to the extent I was able to get it.I was working on my thesis and my world flipped upside down. Guess I was ready to see it. Thank you Dr. Hoffman. Later I found Rupert Spira and there's more peace on the horizon. Two of my favorite teachers and in the same place!!!

[@santoshvallury]

Wonderful observation. 👍

[@Jiv509]

Where science is just beginning to wonder, the Hindu scriptures(Vedas) have it all and beyond. I am happy to see that science is confirming that the sages/Vedas are correct/valid and not based on belief. The filter Mr. Hoffman speaks of is Maya I think. Maya veils the reality and projects this world. Thank you all for this enriching conversation🙏

[@skyotter3317]

This is one of the most amazing conversations I’ve heard in my lifetime. I also salute the brilliant humility of these men

[@Dhorpatan]

Kiss their butts a little more. Kneel and kiss their shoes too.

[@Revalanga]

Nemini dubium est!

[@Jamesgarethmorgan]

Me three. This is life-changing for me.

[@entropy-happens]

@@Jamesgarethmorgan Me too; the synthesis of science and spirituality, particularly conveyed in such a simple, humble way is absolutely life-changing and hopefully world-changing ❤

[@darylsprake8617]

The end of thought leads quickly to physical death and then reawaking without continuous thought.what rupert is talking about is just a trick of the mind.he is a fool

[@ST-dr6qx]

The Most EGO-LESS duel!!! Knowledge up for grabs!!!!! Splendid, thanks for the bloodless duel!!!!

[@tl3684]

Without a doubt, this has been the most impactful conversations I've ever listened to....and thank goodness we didn't lose Mr. Hoffman last year.

[@scottbarrett1763]

What happened to him last year?

[@AuroCords]

​@@scottbarrett1763covid, he talks about it near the end of the conversation

[@jmerdsoy]

​@@scottbarrett1763my question as well

[@ivazic225]

@@scottbarrett1763 he got sick from COVID and almost died.

[@Jamesgarethmorgan]

@@ivazic225 Lucky break for all of us.

[@synesthesia251]

I truly truly admire Hoffmann. Especially his humbleness. Perfection of depth yet the shallow oblivion

[@Abdulralbader]

I had to pause the video half way through and give credit to Simon and his brilliant moderation. Thank you for the beautiful way your facilitated this conversation.

[@oliviapendergast1]

153K views is amazing. That many people interested...or maybe a few of us have watched it 100x? This conversation is amazing. I'm hanging on by my fingernails with Donald but experientially "understand" Rupert's words. Love hearing both sides.

[@chiefcheeser]

The interviewer is absolutely over the moon with how good this is!

[@stevenkingneff]

What a privilege to listen these two. I practice passage meditation and use the following passage attributed to Sankara from around 700CE. It seems to speak to this discussion. “ I am reality without beginning...I have no part in the illusion of ‘I’ and ‘you’, ‘this’ and ‘that’. I am ...one without a second, bliss without end, the unchanging, eternal truth. I dwell in all beings as the pure consciousness, the ground of all phenomena, internal and external. I am both the enjoyer and that which is enjoyed. In the days of my ignorance, I used to think of these as separate from myself. Now I know that I am all.”

[@pastryman7324]

What is the name of the book from which this passage is from?

[@stevenkingneff]

@@pastryman7324 It was not in a book. I first saw it mentioned in Robert Lanza's book "Biocentricity...". I was reading "Passage Meditation" by Eknath Easwaran and this passage really spoke to my thoughts about science and spirituality. Hope this helps.

[@derrymullins-fp8pl]

Brilliant

[@Heaven351]

You mean Adi guru shankaracharya? Yes he gave Advaita Vedanta , non dualism

[@BigJack512]

I‘be listened to hundreds of conversations with Don, Rupert, Bernardo and others. For me this is perhaps the most clear and impactful synthesis of idealism, non-duality, and current scientific inquiry yet. 🙏

[@warmrainofficial]

Could not believe my eyes when this came up in my feed!!!! The two people who have had the biggest influence on my development in the last year in convo together This was a beautiful way to spend 2h28m & 58s of my life

[@lindawilliams7302]

Have you also listened to Tom Campbell and his my Big Toe (theory of everything ) concept ?

[@84sahi]

I know right.

[@ACIM_]

@@84sahi watched this three times so far 🌀☀️🌀☀️🌀

[@rijumatiwallis7597]

Dear Rupert, Don and Simon, thank you for a profound, stimulating and astonishing conversation, I am very grateful! It's amazing that in western philosophy Kant realised that space, time and causality are projections of our representation of the world nearly 300 years ago and through the work of you and others, the world is just beginning to catch up with him! Of course the Buddha and many great spiritual teachers have been directing us towards these insights for much longer. It's wonderful that the best of scientific and spiritual traditions are able to come together in this way. May all three of you continue for a long time in this important work.

[@tajzikria5307]

Absolutely brilliant!

[@cattailer1077]

Oh, dear Rupert, you always manage to awaken and reawaken my awareness! Thank you🕊🤍

[@Meditation409]

This is a massive blow to physicalists and materialism. We literally are seeing a new door slowly open in science in other words a brand new foundation to science is forming. It's an awesome time to be here and witness this as it slowly unfolds!! ❤

[@84sahi]

Absolutely soon science can prove God the universal infinite consiousness infact exists and God is viewing the world through our localized minds of 8 billion. 😊

[@kyxxit3664]

Rupert Spira, Your perspective of the perennial philosophy when compared to Buddhism, etc. is brilliant. It's made an amazing difference in my life. Thank you

[@footballfactory8797]

This conversation needs sharing to everyone on the planet. ❤

[@andrewtyler4480]

I’m so relieved by the the findings of every major field of study and what we already knew deep down; we are eternal. Consciousness is a fundamental element of the universe. What a wonderful time to be alive! 💯

[@dazlemwithlovelight]

No words can match this sharing. THANK YOU ALL. Cheers from a retired soldier down under.💓💞💕

[@TommysPiano]

Glad your health is better Donald. Love you all.

[@waynzwhirled6181]

How do you not love these two gentleman, both figuratively and literally. This presentation is a wonderful gift to your listeners.

[@BThomasji]

Spirituality and science looking in the same direction means true progress and deep knowledge unfolding! ❤ Much love to both of these human gems

[@cynfowler1]

Yes , I discovered Don Hoffman just as COVID hit. And later found Rupert about 2 years later. Now we have 2science based thinkers talking with the key spiritual communicator of our time!. The 2 science based thinkers I refer : Don and Bernardo Kastrup , of course!

[@cynfowler1]

2Science based thinkers being Don and Bernardo teaming up with Rupert.s Direct Path! Perfection in it’s oneness!

[@owaisahmad7841]

Love the host - he lets the guests say what they want to say without interrupting them, unlike many other famous podcast hosts.

[@anngerrard6364]

I am so grateful for this dialogue and Rupert’s reaction to Dons description of his illness was very moving. Glad you made it Don. Thank you all very much.

[@Your-True-Self]

Wow, I started watching out of interest and couldn't stop until the end. Rupert I love your work and your gift of communication. Don I hadn't heard before but the combination was amazing, well done Simon for the choreography. Brilliantly and thoughtfully presented, Thank you

[@donlimuti8659]

Donald Hoffman has opened the boundaries of science and philosophy. He has also made KZbin a more worthwhile destination. I send him Spira and Simon all the agents I can muster.

[@LifeDeathandStuff]

This is amazing! I feel lucky and blessed beyond belief that I was born in an era where the internet exists and is accessible to almost every one and I get to watch a video like this! Brillant minds, sharing their knowledge with open hearts. Thank you. 💙👏

[@jr6200]

To have such easy access to brilliant conversations by such top men in their fields, as the internet is now providing, could never have been accomplished in the past. It's a kind of miracle, though it's now an everyday matter. Wonder how long colleges will last in their current form? I never heard anything like this conversation in all the years I spent with my degrees.

[@plumeria66]

Science is an antiquated monolith when you think about it. They can’t revise their textbooks easily without causing massive uproar. This is with governing as well.

[@fionamcmillan7147]

I am so happy and excited....when I listened last night to Donald talking to Lex Fridman I wrote a comment suggesting they check out the work of Rupert Spira....and low and behold when i awake the universe has been at work! A FB link showed me they had already met. This is super exciting. I am a comparative theologian writing my dissertation about NDEs, altered states of consciousness and Vajrayana philosophy. Research into Consciousness absolutely needs to be inter disciplinary.... scientists, religious studies, philosophy of religion scholars, process theologians and experts in dharma studies, need to have discussions together because we need many minds here, many perspectives to understand how consciousness operates. Blessings to everyone especially Rupert and Don. Thank you.

[@binathere2574]

I'm fairly positive an NDE is exactly the same as an OBE.

[@ferisons]

What an amazing discussion. loved it. These kind of 'science meets spirituality' talks are my favorite type of discussions. If you enjoyed this, you might also like the two talks with Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup, and the Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda.

[@idrearamacirmtamta1293]

So great to listen to these two in conversation 😌

[@tiffanyjoleenbowserdimeco6294]

This conversation is a profound gift to humanity. Breathtaking. Thank you gentlemen.🌹

[@elisabethhgelid6969]

The reward is the happiness and love of unity with truth. Truth is consciousness which we are and never can be separated from. This is so beautiful 😂❤

[@versoturner5777]

I'm glad you pulled through Donald Hoffman

[@MacShrike]

What an absolute pleasure to be able to experience this meeting. Thank you all! I have used recreational drugs, medical drugs (anti depressants and heart medication) and then some, to "find"/sustain/experience myself. Then I thought that being myself was the goal. Now I'm learning that trying to be yourself is actually less than what you can be. So now I'm just being, not trying it. And every time I succeed it seems; failure is an illusion. On the fear part, and the not stepping in front of the train to prove a point: A silly but true quote from a movie: "fear is an illusion, a hysterical reaction to an unknown future. But danger; danger is very real". (Love = Love) is Love.

[@Sophie-zq3zj]

ME TOO

[@kkandthegirls6363]

I'm honored to be able to witness a discussion between such extraordinary and visionary people. I feel like I've been given a glimpse of tomorrow's potential, and I'm inspired. How lucky are we to live amongst and be able to learn from these people? Thank you.

[@levanmelikishvili4373]

No words. Absolutely mesmerizing! I felt privileged to have an opportunity to listen to such a wonderful conversation 🙏

[@antwillis01]

Beautiful trio working in harmony. Let us all raise to it's frequency in this grand piece of music. Let the crescendo be utterly amazing to behold when the world is all listening.

[@franks435]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any better ... along came this magic triangle of Simon, Rupert and Don. Thank you. 🙏🏿

[@Sonaurea]

Just awesome to see it unfold

[@nivedithakamath9388]

Thank you Rupert, Don and Simon. Feeling so grateful for this video 🙏🎊

[@ckunert1]

Such a gift you are Simon for bringing these voices to us. So many people nay-say technology, but this is one of the prime examples of being able to CHOOSE what we pay attention to. As Edward R. Morrow said in regard to radio, "This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and even it can inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise, it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.”

[@baberraza4231]

mind blowing conversation. what a treat to see converging Donald/Rupert thoughts on reality and consciousness

[@paulkeogh7077]

At 1:19:00 minutes Don asks “why does the one localise” into seemingly separate conscious agents. Rupert says we cannot know the answer but I wonder whether it’s the necessary condition for the One to be real: because the One is the many and only through each separate agent, does the One constitute reality. Another way of expressing this is to imagine that from the perspective of wholeness the many parts appear as one: like looking at the Earth from space, an astronaut sees one unified “object” although it has innumerable parts all contributing to and contextualised by the whole. For the One to be fundamental and the ultimate reality it must be simultaneously every “thing” and no “thing”. It must be unity and individuality, non-duality and duality. Rupert is spot on when he says, that fundamental consciousness is “that” within which everything manifests, from which all things take form and by which all forms come to know themselves their ultimate ground of being, reality or the One.

[@paulkenyon1830]

What a privilege to listen to these two wonderful human beings.

[@LB-W]

What a gift. To see these two beautiful thinkers create a moment of expansion past their limited words. I believe I have been witness to something very special. Thank you to all three of you. To conduct a conversation of such depth was spectacular.

[@bensmithy4279]

Dayum never have I ever rewinded and re-listened to a video so much in my life. So much to take in and so much to process. ❤

[@sidiehla]

Buddhism has said this for hundreds of years, and science is just catching up. It sounds scary to think that things don’t exist, but in fact it is liberating! It does not mean that there is no reality, but we see/hear/smell/taste/touch and think only appearances of the underlying reality, which is mind (consciousness).

[@sandramynard1046]

@@usr909 science and spirituality are opposites. science can’t explain it and indeed deny it.

[@haxstir]

" It sounds scary to think that things don’t exist, but in fact it is liberating!" Be careful as this can lead to thinking that doesn't take care of the context in which it exists and it does exist for a reason. At some point it becomes unnecessary, say for instance when we worry too much but even then worrying too much might be an indicator of something to examine that needs examining.

[@sweetchinmusic3]

Hinduism has said it hundreds of years before Buddhism. For some reason Westerners tend to intentionally or unintentionally completely ignore Hinduism which is the oldest religion in the world.. Buddha himself was a Hindu when he founded Buddhism..

[@athena3865]

Oh my gosh Don, how horrific for you; I can relate very well, different circumstances. I am reading your book now. So glad you are still with us. Retired professional cardiac nurse, here. Namaste'.

[@Imnogoad]

This is PRICELESS !! , I'm grateful to be in this space and time to watch this

[@robaddonizio520]

Wow. This was one of the most fascinating discussions I’ve heard in the realm of the science and non duality that I have heard yet. As I continue to walk my own path of spiritual enlightenment I am amazed to find great thoughts being wonderfully articulated!

[@johnnastrom9400]

Wow! Two of my favorites. The world could sure benefit from hearing more conversations from people like these two.

[@monicamackrizz5641]

What a privilege ! A wonderful conversation! I have learned so much! Thank you so much for such an important talk ! So important for Humanity! 🙏🏼

[@shubharao9741]

Wonderful interaction of spirituality and science

[@ultramother]

I'm so in awe! Thank you Rupert and thank you Don for this life changing conversation

[@Titan2024-Xtc]

Inspiring discussion. Back in the day when I was a young economist, I searched for a way to combine spirituality and economic development. I was told it was impossible, but I knew in my heart they were wrong. 40 years later, I discovered Wattle and my answer. Dr. Hoffman calls it a “conscious agent”…brilliant. 🙏 Thank you for the podcast..enlightening and encouraging for human kind.

[@sanjivkumar8588]

Donalds ideas are great. He is truly utilising Vedic knowledge for present

[@a1librarian]

i’m so thrilled. i’ve been wanting to hear these two in conversation ❤❤❤

[@jpmollic6973]

Un vrai joyau! Quelle libération! Un gros merci à vous trois! Jean-Pierre

[@nihalozturk8052]

Simon's facial expressions perfectly reflected my own inner state while listening to this mind-blowing conversation 😊

[@claudesilverio677]

I really like this Interview. I meditate more than 20 years. Hoffmanns Theories are great. This is the first scientific concept I can agree, which confirms my meditation and psychodelic experience. 🎉❤

[@Christoth2012]

Absolutely fantastic. Is the rift that Thomas Aquinas created between science and spirituality finally beginning to heal?

[@hairystyles2]

Man!!! What an interview!! I'm surprised it didn't break the internet...

[@monicaarcher7107]

the days of the debate about the hard problem of consciousness are numbered. Lovely Rupert.

[@versoturner5777]

This video is so important. I hope many really consider what was said.

[@mauriceodonnell7671]

Rupert has a wonderful gift for articulating a difficult and abstract subject.

[@NATIVE_GRAMMAR_GURU]

Donald & Rupert, Thank you!. Your views are profound and I'm glad I've found them. I also appreciate the way that you explain them in a visual sense. I have a question for you Donald. If we only see a fraction of the truth, is it possible that Bluetooth Airpods and the EM frequency that they operate on, may be understudied, underestimated & possibly too strong our brains?

[@tsaungo]

I feel like "my" concioussness has less "glass tinted windows" recently, per say, a fortnight ago I would've thought these guys were loons but now it's like everything they say resonates. I have never gone through circa 150mins with as much focus and intent to learn as I have for this video. This is amazing and i cant wait to learn more. THANK YOU TO "US" :). ONENESS ❤❤❤❤

[@StyleNectar]

This was simply spectacular. What a treat. Deep gratitude to all three of you gentlemen🙏♥

[@safia9536]

I can appreciate Donald Hoffman's desire to utilize the tool that is mind to play via scientific study. However Rupert Spira, I appreciate the simplicity of the truth that just IS w/o question. The conundrum is that science (both technical & social science) is relentless questioning yet useful on the stage of life. Perhaps to go back and forth btwn sleep and wakefulness is the grand play on this small scale.

[@mutloppi]

This was wonderful, thank you!

[@englandw]

All things in perspective, I believe we can qualify this conversation as in the realm of historic, given the timing of these two illumined minds, bridging science and consciousness in pioneering ways.

[@lindal.7242]

We need a further evolution of mind in order to adopt what Mr. Spira is saying about how we're all one. Newer more aware generations will have to arrive before the knowledge and truth of this is adopted and implemented for a more altruistic world.

[@knottyinks1]

Love this, I’ve been waiting to listen to Don and Rupert share there ideas for a long time

[@_Louise__]

Oh wow! Delighted beyond delight to see this pop up in my feed! So grateful to be able to listen in on this incredible conversation. Thank you

[@AwareOfBeingAware]

Pure joy. Thank you so much

[@pablokagioglu2546]

Brilliant talk. Donald and Rupert are amazing. I so agree with Rupert, paraphrasing, “if you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail”. I’ve always wondered if we have the “language” or the “mind” to figure out what’s on the “other side” beyond the world we see. Can anyone figure out the “5 dimension” (or higher) with our 4-dimensional brain? Is it all down to math? Exciting time for Physics.

[@Nowhereman888]

Seeing many compliments here, and I add my own. I have not read anything by Rupert Spira, but I have read Donald Hoffman’s A Case Against Reality. Utterly fascinating.

[@grzegkania]

The whole conversation is absolutely amazing, but if I were to choose one topic only, perhaps it would be their remarks on the perennial philosophy, which is like the very essence of mankind's spiritual wisdom, but again - as both Rupert and Donald emphasize - it is only a hand pointing at the Moon and not the Moon itself.

[@kathrynphillips3710]

so love and appreciate Rupert he has such a unique and wonderful explanation of consciousness and non- duality, Thankyou ❤

[@torushyperbolid7968]

Beautiful dialog! Thank you all so much for these insides!!!

[@sanjayseroha4219]

It is great feeling to know that science is finally catching up to what Yogis and Rishis that lived in Himalayas thousands of years ago have written in ancient Hindu spiritual text called Upanishads ❤

[@piyadushanka]

Absolutely wonderful and awe inspiring conversation 🙏🙏🙏

[@OfCourseICan]

Thank You all so much. The timing of this brilliant discussion is phenomenal. The knowledge shared will ensure I become a happy, loving soul.

[@gentlemanx7987]

Immensely fascinating. My mind sucks that up as if it was sweet, sweet juice. 😁Thank you. 🍀

[@dinoveiga9406]

Awesomely presented… brilliantly delivered arguments… and all these are done in humble way. Congrats

[@eshwarao]

Rupert Spira - I can hear the sages and saints of India (like Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi) speaking through you - Shubham Bhuyat. The Vedas and Upanishads are maps/travelogues that others have left behind of their journeys within for future generations to chart their own course to experiencing reality. I will suggest reading of "Yoga Vasishta" for interested folks. Thank you for this wonderful discussion. Donald Hoffman I've seen your other videos. Thank you sir.

[@MrBjornHarvold]

Reminds me of those epic conversations between David Bohm and Krishnamurti. Thank you for this.

[@justinjackson2588]

What a great experience to listen to these fellas talk.

[@tanya2700]

Incredible conversation. Thank you

[@shadiaomar8685]

I'm really so thankful 🙏 💎 Listening to both of them going into converging spirituality into science and vice versa is paradoxically mystical.. Ultimately all paths through good will and intention lead to the recognition in awareness of the Truth beyond all existentual and non existential forms. Consciousness reflects into the mirrors of life in conscious awareness to its finite activity .. Thank you 💜💜💜

[@natarajma]

The discovery of the amplitudehedron reminds me of the vedic concept of Hiranyagarbha. And i believe it's possible to 'cognize' Hiranyagarbha when in states very close to pure consciousness. I'd love to hear Rupert and Donald talk about this more. It's absolutely fascinating.

[@aynua.amazonas]

Thank you so much for this exchange. There is a love energy that is felt throughout. A genuine sense of connection and learning and growing.

[@shiningstar4791]

I watched the full conversation straight without a break ..♥️♥️♥️loved it...Thank You

[@velerina2017]

Two of my current fixations... I'd love more of them together ❤