Scion FR-S VS Honda S2000 Track Battle & Roll Races

Our Scion FR-S and Honda S2000 go head to head in a track battle of epic proportions including roll races and time attack.
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[@mas921]

Perhaps your most exciting episode EVER!! Fricken awesome, please do more of this head to head between your builds !!

[@aiman2191]

*your

[@mas921]

@@aiman2191 thanks :p.....autocomplete strikes again lol

[@Dren2247]

Considering the S2K is NA and doesn't have gutted interior and keeping up with that FR-S...

[@neilblum8361]

Aldrin Sena cage negates the gutted interior but still agree

[@precariousbyte]

But the "back seats" and everything? That's a lot of cheddar. Did they divulge the car's weight at any point? I can't remember...

[@neilblum8361]

precariousbyte can’t be sure of actual weight loss but I know I’ve recently gutted the rear interior of my BRZ for a cage and the weight of the rear seats and plastics was very light, they lost a lot more weight going to bucket seats but gained it all back with the cage

[@r129r16pfl]

How heavy is fully gutted GRZ/GT86?

[@GibbysGarage15]

I've seen one at approx. 2450lbs, not sure if there's more left to "gut."

[@JackieDing86]

The BRZ is really good... but I know where my heart belongs.

[@Conquieftador]

It's a Prius lol jk

[@DequanHarris]

Jackie Ding it’s a frs homie

[@ChristopherMendoza1]

@@DequanHarris lol they're the same car

[@ChristopherMendoza1]

Amen!

[@DequanHarris]

Christopher Mendoza I know lol I’m salty because I have a frs and that’s a frs and I just want them to call it what it is

[@alwintheskateboarder]

Ahhh lightweight rwd japanese sports car Can't go wrong with both

[@Tanner731]

the correct answer is corvette lol

[@Jmoneyy365]

Tanner No

[@petrolhead8851]

Tanner I love corvettes but that's in a different league

[@michaelgomez4994]

C5 coervettes are cheeper then s2000s or frs...

[@petrolhead8851]

Michael Gomez depends on the shape and condition! You can get an s2000 with high mileage for 5-8k where a c5 with high mileage still goes for 9-15k I know this because I technically live on Craigslist,I'm on there everyday looking up to see what's on the market for a bargain

[@vzda123]

Got an frs' but I can't lie, the engine in the s2k blows the boxer engine out of the water.

[@FC-oh3ho]

Same here

[@Jokielk]

agree

[@ChristopherMendoza1]

Yep

[@undrgrnd734]

yep I have an FRS but I think the S2K is the better car. Can't argue the FRS has more practicality though

[@lilchunnky78]

yeah agree

[@endlesstwisties]

Impressive...For Honda. Cars made after 20years in the same class, weight and engine displacement need supercharger to keep up

[@richardrevie8359]

The s2000 is the car that brought me to this channel and the reason why I'm staying

[@ChristopherMendoza1]

Likewise! BADASS2000 for life!

[@rthomp03]

I like the use of a chase car, you really got some good shots rather than only relying on the in-car cameras.

[@doctorlobsteroctopus]

Love seeing this type of close matchup, so crazy at how good of a platform the S2K is 18 years after launch. Maybe you could do a comparison with the 350z vs. frs/S2K or something before it's all setup for drift. Feel like that would be a pretty fun and close match.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

Would rather 370z

[@Gladiator74]

Let's just say it, 20 years! That is crazy... FRS is not impressive at all.

[@heyhayhay247]

Moral of the story: buy a S2000 unless you have to have a back seat.

[@precariousbyte]

I wouldn't call the "back seat" in the FRS a back seat. My wife is 90 pounds soaking wet and she can't fit back there. It's fucking pointless.

[@IrenicusFTW]

precariousbyte i have hauled three women back there, only the middle one complained that it was too hard to sit on... obviously as there is just the solid leather covered handrest in the middle...

[@heyhayhay247]

Even if it's not the biggest back seat, it's still bigger than the no existent S2000 backseat. You can still get good use out of that area if it's your only car: kids, groceries, track gear, umbrella, ect. I put two girls in the back of my 350Z in college; I'm sure they would have preferred the BRZ seat.

[@samin90]

S2000s are sky rocketing in price while FRS' are tanking. It's not worth the premium unless you plan on "investing in cars"

[@heyhayhay247]

For a track car, you can find a salvage S2000 for cheap very similar to the ASS2000 series on this channel. The chassis just seems to be a lot more capable to start with.

[@carlterranella8531]

Fairly stock S2000 nearly keeping up with a tuned FRS. Lol.

[@carlterranella8531]

@CLP yeah, IS300? Torque helps a lot in a drag race. But you put any NA 2.0 against the F20c we know how that ends up, the bottom line is the S2000 is an amazing piece of engineering for it's time.

[@johnnyjdmyo]

Carl Terranella until today my friend

[@precariousbyte]

A gutted and blown FRS with better brakes and aero. Hmmm.....

[@carlterranella8531]

@@johnnyjdmyo if your reference is to this video, that FRS is not even close in comparison, it's supercharged, so pretty significant mods. The stock FRS would be wasted.

[@carlterranella8531]

@@precariousbyte exactly my thoughts.

[@turbo18eg]

Please put a Kraft werks supercharger on the s2000

[@timmigrant]

And that'll make a whole lot more than 270 whp!

[@bige7186]

Nick Marlin I think that would be too fast for all these cars😂😂😂

[@THEREAL_GZUS]

Nick Marlin nah they need to stop the bullshit and put a TVs or one of those mustang charger on the s2000

[@Shadowboost]

HKS supercharger is a good option, too. 400+ whp

[@timmigrant]

@@bige7186 I can confirm that the S2000 is great with a supercharger making ~400 HP.

[@evilspoons]

I'd never own it set up like that because it's too loud, but that FR-S sounds insane. I love it.

[@petermiller9904]

Sounds insane but it’s just sound lol

[@johnss2k434]

This was a really fun battle to watch! Although they don't have much hp, it's hard to match the driving experience of the s2000 and the 86.

[@davemsh]

Love to see a supercharged S2000 vs Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, 911s, etc.

[@ChristopherMendoza1]

Seconded!

[@keithbowen3415]

Procharged s2000 vs others would be good

[@boostedpowerxd734]

As always people don't mention the 370z.

[@ulisesavila2879]

@@boostedpowerxd734 it is a shame, they are good cards, I just cannot stand that they are automatic only

[@TheSHOTTA61]

Please give the S2000 some power !!!! A Kraftwerk kit would be amazing for it.

[@atraxr603]

I don't know if you guys realize this (it seems that you don't, I apologize if I'm mistaken about that) but you can't compare threadwear between manufacturers. That kind of a comparison only works within one manufacturer as that rating is set from the difference between the bese test tire they use in testing and the tire that is actually being tested (one you'll buy in the store) and the formula they use for calculating it which is not the same for every manufacturer, the rating you see is the difference between the two. You can't compare 300 TW from Michelin and 300 TW from , lets say, Continental or Bridgestone (I love RE002 btw :D) cause they don't mean the same performance. But you can compare them within one manufacturer, so from one model to the next one and that's pretty much it. Any other comparison being worthy is wishful thinking. A bit more info on how they come up with the rating: The treadwear rating is based on actual testing done on a Course Monitoring Tire (CMT) and the manufacturer’s tire and run on a test track for a 400 mile test loop for a total of 7,200 miles. Each manufacturer is allowed to use their own extrapolation formula to come up with their treadwear rating, so it’s meaningless to compare treadwear ratings between manufacturers.

[@JCE10NYC]

Been waiting on this comparison for a while

[@PR1NCETD0T]

Lol both cars weigh around the same but the frs has more power here yet it barely walked away from a near stock s2k? Drivermod needed?

[@clapped_r3219]

Pit a stock N/A MR2 vs a stock 1st gen Miata 👌🏽

[@mentals555]

Would also love to see this.

[@chinoycompa1323]

miata will win 2s are tail happy

[@KingOfEden12]

Ay stock mr2 and a stock crx would be cool too !

[@caseylyon6262]

All I saw was the z06 camera car saying gooo. Lol. Love both cars though.

[@reviewcrewforyou]

Haha totally was wondering if that was the chase car

[@operamatthew]

thinking the s2000 is the real winner here

[@boostedpowerxd734]

No, most are N/A bolt ons for s2000 and the toyobaru gets a supercharger when tuned. But these two still won't come close to a gutted 370z with or without turbo :)

[@kdavid123186able]

Boosted PowerXD I heard that gutted 370z can be very light. But s2k will always remain top of older Hondas with NSX

[@Richardjohnson6969]

@@boostedpowerxd734 I'm sorry, a boosted s2k can most definitely beat a 370z. Keep your head on your shoulders.

[@boostedpowerxd734]

@@Richardjohnson6969 A boosted 370z can be stroked to 4.5 or do 1000 whp on pump gas better than 2jz gte on pump, try that with your 2.0 vtec on 93 octane. A modded S2000 won't even beat a modded typical Corvette Z06 while a modded 370z can do it and more. Face it fanboy, Nissan is faster than Honda.

[@Richardjohnson6969]

@@boostedpowerxd734 right that's why there are multiple s2ks running 1000+ horsepower. And multiple running less than 8s on the track. Don't come at me with your nissan bullshit. Honda engines with forged internals are terrifyingly fast.

[@johnnyjdmyo]

Considering the s2000 has some issues even its NA and stock still keeping up with a supercharged track oriented frs

[@altimatic2183]

Please keep the s2000 videos! I'm glad the build is done but I love seeing a sister car

[@Focusrallylabs]

U guys have something most don't. A fucking track to yourself whenever u want. Makes ur channel so unique!!!

[@TalisNo1]

Both are good cars with their own pros and cons. Most haters of either have neither and lack the basis to criticise these cars.

[@crxvtec0069]

This battle just shows and proves what Mr Spoon has stated about Type Rs and S2000s compared to the FRS/BRZ. The BRZ is a “sporty” car but not a true sports car. It would take 3-4 times the amount of money/modifications to get it to perform at the same high level of performance as the s2000 or a type R. Now....gut the s2000, turbocharge it, and let’s see how close it is! This really shows how incredibly powerful and efficient the F series engine is. 120hp per liter. more than any other production car engine ever made in history.

[@GR71393]

Great comparison. I'm biased towards the FRS but the s2k is so perfectly engineered ! Way ahead of it's time. I'm not a fan of convertible cars but with a hard top the s2k is always a great car!

[@omarawilson2853]

Agreed. S2K is an amazing car but just isn’t as livable for me. But I suppose that’s part of its charm

[@BMW_Dropout]

Bro that vid was amazing. I’ve been looking for a good vid with an FRS vs S2k match up for so long, this is the first I’ve found that was really enjoyable to watch

[@JoseLikesCars-ln9qc]

sounds like the camera car at the 1:59 mark was the C6z06. Seems like it needed to short shift lol.

[@pilotboard2]

Why cant everyone film like you guys do? No jump cuts repeating the same shots 5x so we have no idea whats happenning, a follow cam, etc

[@The_True_]

Great track battle guys! Not too surprised at the winner, but contention was higher for the win than expected! A *BIG THANK YOU* to *CONTINENTAL TIRES* for sponsoring this event and providing the rubber, like the "cool parents" of the tire world! ✌😎

[@sumimasen4180]

I see s2000 video, I thumbs up. As an s2000 owner, it's great to see the s2k keeping up with a tuned/more modded fr-s.

[@JJ_ExMachina]

You know the S2K in this video has $35,000 worth of modifications done to it, right? AND the guys say with everything done to the motor, it is putting out 260 WHP... SO not really that much different then how modified the FRS is. The FRS stock makes about 170 or less WHP, so without some form of FI, the FRS would not even be competitive to the 260 WHP of the S2K. The way the cars sit now, their power to weight ratios are fairly close.

[@Coveted.]

When 2 full car lengths is “pulling away just by a little bit” these people clearly don’t drag that much😂😂

[@mrclown7469]

2:39 Z06 camera car at 1/4 throttle

[@omarmelendez7811]

I can't wait to finish building my s2k. Great video guys

[@tekniq511]

Oh man, so glad you both are doing this. This is way better than US version of Top Gear ever dreamed of. I love how true to the Touge Battle spirit of Nippon is this series!

[@tekniq511]

You both should invite viewers and supporters to submit their cars for battle and also create a platform for class restrictions (HP, drivetrain, NA/FI, etc)

[@tekniq511]

That would be a great way for local shops and tuners to showcase their work too (reason why Amuse, REaniyama, HKS). This would so be win/win!! You guys have built such a great platform, so you both could easily have the clout to solicit tuners to face off.

[@HeeroAOD]

Reading the comment section, you guys had some good points. But this was a run what you brought scenario, and seeing a 10+ year old car, pretty stock, with some minor upgrades, run a near similar lap time to a purpose built track new car, tells you what Honda brought to the game when they built this car. it was meant to drive, either on the street or the track. if this was a stock vs stock battle, its no contest the s2k would have blowing it away, but even losing this challenge, it was still a beast of a contender, and a damn blast to watch. Can't wait to see what the badass2000 brings to the table in the future! Great Job Guys!

[@scadieee]

You guys should just have a shootout where everyone drives their own cars. Dave’s celica, Pete’s s14, ken’s fd & moose’s m3

[@3ffynephrine615]

Jerry Seinfeld @ 7:02

[@VS666]

HE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE!

[@BeardedCarBuddy]

Still my favorite channel. Never stop.

[@charlesshamseldin9555]

Nice work. This balances out your how to/tech stuff nicely.

[@samdoesthefunstuff7122]

We need more vs touge battles. It definitely reminded me of hot version! Please have a lap time leader board that shows up on the screen so we can reference the speed in which cars are king of the hill!

[@talibal-faris4436]

the high revs of the s2k helped it keep up with the higher hp brz, as it doesn't shift ad often. Dude i love s2000's 😍

[@KeinoClarke-ei2ly]

Over 20 yr old car compared to modern, supercharged car. Unevenly matched, but the s2000 hung with it, despite the power advantage.

[@sunnylabana]

This is the most exciting camera work i've seen from you guys. Good stuff!!

[@javidgt8]

Yoo such a good video lol, had a huge smile the whole time. the follow laps were amazing, that S2k RIIPS considering the HP deficit. Seems to have a bit better handling too which helped a lot!

[@vongdong10]

Now if only the S2000 still had the ITB setup.

[@MichaelTV44]

Its grate to see the race car again. You guys need to do another street rally event.

[@AdonisGaming93]

you can tell that during vtec he doesn't pull away but as soon as the s2000 shift and is further down the revs zero oopf Surprised how close it was. Both cars look so awesome.

[@LessTalkMoreDelicious]

S2000 vs. the new 2019 ND2 Miata with its’ new found 181hp, 7500 redline and earlier peak torque. Stock vs. Stock baby! 🌟 Old vs New! (your S2k is almost stock I guess)

[@bryanlarocque15]

Less Talk, More Delicious al

[@Tiger-gs6xm]

No stock miata can beat a stock S2000 in any circumstances unless the S2000 driver doesn’t know how to drive a VTEC.

[@alexferris7260]

The fact that the s2k could keep up with the frs without a gutted interior and it being N/A is waaaay more impressive

[@donaldlarose6350]

Great driving, loved the comparison and Deff loved the tsuchia and orido shout out. That was dope

[@aca9616]

Frs handles better...notice how much more steering correction is done on the s2000

[@rizdraver]

Owning an FRS I finally got to drive an S2K and I was shocked how bad the steering was. All you hear are these S2K fanboys bragging about it, but I'm not certain what they're comparing it to. Night and day.

[@ralphruivivar6315]

Frs has more tech than the s2k stock vs stock when it comes to steering rack. Cmon bro.. But for real a track oriented FRS vs a merely stock s2000 keeping up thats fairly good. Not being a fan boy but to me s2k wins this one. Fast frs tho..

[@dirtyscalper5584]

FRS/BRZ supercharged: 280-300whp (with high possibility of blowing up at anytime) S2000 supercharged: 400whp with all-day reliability (p.s. I actually own an 86, but the S2000 is just FAR SUPERIOR in every which way possible. However, don't want to bother with the S2000 market as the prices are now getting silly for what are mostly high-mileage, used-up beaten cars)

[@III504III]

s2k has forged internal stock. Note that s2k costs a fair bit more without even factoring in inflation I dont agree with the blowing up comment. Higher CR, and a more technical engine in terms of tuning (AVCS, etc etc) makes it more reliant on a flawless tune for reliability. 380whp stock internals Borgie EFR6258, running strong for 2 years on E85

[@JJ_ExMachina]

The S2k original MSRP was about $34k - $37K in 1999. If you account for inflation, that would put the S2k at about $52k - $56k today. What is impressive is a $26k (or $17.5K in 1999) "sports" car could even compete with the S2k... even if we are talking stock vs stock or modified vs modified.

[@AngelFloyd27]

Wow, what a great battle. Great video guys!

[@dyi01]

I'd like to see a track battle and roll race of the Badass2000 and the k20 Civic project.

[@Jessicorn81]

Haha put the same supercharger on the s2k and it's gone. But man the frs is sick

[@biggboysouth]

Hit that like button before the video even loaded!

[@jTamayo34]

That fact that a Stock S2000 is keeping up with gutted, supercharged FRS/BRZ goes to show that the S2K is definitely the car to go with. If the S2000 was supercharged the FRS/BRZ would be blown away and be no match.

[@JJ_ExMachina]

The S2K has $35,000 worth of modifications done to it, and the guys say with everything done to the motor, it puts out about 260 WHP. SO that is not "stock".

[@jTamayo34]

Its a stock F22 that puts out 240HP to the crank, not to the wheels. With a tune you might get 260HP, but again its not being put down on the wheels. Its all going to the crank. Unless the Engine itself has been modded with at least some cams, springs, rods, pistons, stroked crank, fuel, plus a tune then yes 260+WHP is achievable, but simply adding a CAI and Exhaust isn’t going to bump you up from stock 190-210whp to 260whp.

[@JJ_ExMachina]

I am not the one stating that the S2K has 260 WHP, I am going off of the information that the presenters are saying, and all of the modification, build, and power information they are putting out. The guys that built it are saying that with all of the work they have done to the engine, it was putting out 260 WHP... SO please direct your rebuttable to them if you think they are wrong. BUT as I stated in my last comment the presenters have said they have $35,000 in modifications/upgrades to the S2k... SO NOTHING about the S2K can be considered "stock".

[@jTamayo34]

Nothing about the s2k is stock other than the Engine. I apologize for the misinformation as to when i say “stock" im only speaking in regards to the engine itself. Its possible to have obtained 260WHP with the original motor they had with the ITB’s, but after swaping it with the F22C with no internal mods other than tune it just wont put out 260WHP and i believe you're right, the presenters could give us more in depth information about both vehicles. I also believe that spending $35,000 in mods/upgrades can also be refered to engine swap, alignment, aero, tires, etc. If $35k were spent on the motor itself im sure it would be making 260whp easy, possibly even 400whp if kept N/A of course, but thats just not the case.

[@chilicoke]

Perhaps it made 260whp at some point with the previous engine, if you follow the last few videos on it, it is currently running a stock AP2 motor, which they stated at even in this video is making sub 210whp.

[@Ghostca]

Glad to see you guys still have that car!

[@bonjouravecuns]

The frs sound so good!!

[@emmanuelmorales4121]

I think it's funny that the camera car was able to start walking in on you guys while you were racing

[@aomaggots-]

SICK VIDEO DUDES! Let's get more of these!

[@tedm9865]

Just seeing this. You guys do awesome battles. Super cool!

[@stevepham8443]

The 86 won but barely with way more performance oriented mods. The clear winner is s2000 considering its basically street trim and barely slower.

[@kyleholmes7459]

Love it guys, but cut the roll races and change it up to a standing start. True Touge Battle style. Maybe if this becomes a style of video we see on this channel often you can start cutting the field of cars into classes, for example the s2000 might be a 250hp or less car and the FRS might be a 350hp or less car. Just some suggestions, I’m excited to see how this shapes up in the future and I hope this becomes a regular series for this channel.

[@power_of_r6033]

Thats a great idea and i agree with you but your average car guy doesnt care about that, 90% of these folks are here for the drag race

[@ToeCreature]

that's the real fun of playing with cars! love them both

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

Everyone was saying s2k was doing really good but the frs pulled hard. That's a big difference honestly

[@animatedcreation5360]

this was a very good episode. do this more.

[@Busydadgarage717]

Just love watching these guys drive!

[@dannym7759]

What's with the low rev limiter on the S2k? Isn't the 2 liter supposed to rev out to 9k?

[@mickeyhartsell6096]

The S2000 looks better.. love the look of the Honda. And it's a legend.

[@DavidCheung]

Loving the extra BADASS2000 content guys, keep it up! 👍

[@vikingexpress2632]

God you gotta love the sound of a VTECH.....and I work at a Ford dealership with a performance team. I love how Mustangs have a significant sound the same as VTECH great shit man!!!

[@gregoryrobertson]

Really cool video. Would be neat if y'all could give more specs on weight, HP, etc. I wonder how it would change with forced induction on the S2000 as well. Anyway, great video!

[@fredd164]

Seriously good episode - those driving battles are great!

[@BlueRice]

I own s2k. I drove the frs. The frs is way better for daily. It has the torque for low and high. The seat is more comfortable, the inside is more roomier and the interior is a lot better. But I choose s2k when it comes down to driving aggressive. The vtec on ap2 is so satisfying.

[@s3ns3ble]

This is some real stuff. Thanks and more please.

[@snipermx06]

An itb s2000 vs supercharger frs wouldve been a good match to watch. Suck that the itb didnt work out too well.

[@knryland1]

Just came across your channel! Absolutely Brilliant! Subscribed and liked! Love that S2K in Suzuka Blue! 💙

[@speedacademy]

Welcome!

[@JP-ri1wf]

I would love to see a properly set up Fiesta ST and Focus ST go against that FR-S.

[@jqwill1987]

Do a head to head video of a 987 cayman s vs a 370z, both with 6mt Or Rx8 vs ND Miata with 181hp Both would be good content that no one has already covered on KZbin

[@andoniades]

This is a fun video to watch!

[@pisterot16]

You got a new suscriber!, and, what a battle!!!, do more with another tyres, and let see, what times do!!! a big hug, from Argentina!

[@speedacademy]

Thank you! Hope you enjoy the content.

[@pisterot16]

@@speedacademy I do that!!! Thanks again!!!

[@Fobwall]

Speed Academy FRS vs an SR20DET 240sx!

[@rubenhernandezdorta6205]

ABSOLUTE LEGENDS

[@TokyoCyclist]

Missing these kind of contents. Hope to see more of this soon.

[@benw1620]

Liked the chase vehicle shots!

[@RidgelineJames]

Loved this video! Big Honda fan but man I can’t deny the FRS it is a good foundation to build on.

[@sengalang]

Even though the FRS won, I'm not impressed. This is more "FRS with lots of modifications (including forced induction), gutted interior, & age difference was barely faster than a stock motor full interior s2000" i'd actually be kinda embarrassed to say they were very neck and neck.

[@JJ_ExMachina]

Poop Poop ... The S2k original MSRP was about $34k - $37K in 1999. If you account for the inflation that would put the S2k at about $52k - $56k today. Making the Honda S2k more aligned with a whole different class of cars. What is impressive is a $26k (or $17.5K in 1999) "sports" car could even compete with the S2k... even if we are talking stock vs stock or modified vs modified. After all the S2k in this video is modified, intake, exhaust, suspension, aero, brakes (even though they are more street compound), wheels tires, and much more NOT stock. The engine in the S2K makes about 240 wheel, and comes with a much more aggressively geared transmission. The FRS is FI makes about 270 wheel, aftermarket aero, brakes, suspension, intake, exhaust, tires, wheels. The roll cage adds a substantial amount of weight, but improves the rigidity of the chassis and makes it safer in a roll over, then the S2K. Both have similar power to weight ratio, through the rev range, with the FRS being slightly better in the top end.

[@JJ_ExMachina]

OH and I completely forgot... The Honda S2K has $35,000 worth of modifications done to it, so NO where near stock in the least... The guys that built the S2K says it has about 260 WHP with everything done to the engine.

[@chilicoke]

MasterMech77 He literary said in the video at 3:26 the S2k dynos 200-210whp, which is stock engine power level for AP2 motor.

[@sengalang]

MasterMech77 I dont know about you, but when i'm car shopping, I don't compare car prices from 10-15 years ago (Nor will I ever buy a brand new car). What people are willing to pay today is what the real market value is. Today, you can buy them for roughly the same price so I will judge them fairly. Also, I highly doubt this car has $35,000 in mods. It may be how much they spent since they got it, but there is in no way 35,000 of parts on the car. You have to remember that this car has had a new transmission and a new engine as well. That to me doesn't count as a mod, but just another OEM replacement. Also, no ITB's on the car. Talking about all this just reminds me of the classic $100,000 s2k quote from The Fast And the Furious. I agree w/ chilicoke in saying that this is now just an AP2 w/ some Aero parts, suspension, tires, & reliability mods. Besides, if you've ever worked on modifying an FRS/BRZ (Forced Induction). They are a total pain in the ass of headaches, there are constantly issues during/after the installation. Not to mention, the engine probably wont last very long because it isn't designed to be modified that way. It's only fun while it lasts. (I'm talking from experience working on friends cars). Anyways, the point im trying to make is that you can pick up a stock S2000 and have a fast, reliable, & cheap car. Those 3 words usually dont all fit in one sentence. You just cant do the same with the FRS/BRZ without a ton of money, hence why people sacrifice reliability to turbo the engine or just engine swap. I'm saying all of this from a neutral point of view, not trying to be a Honda fan boy or offend you in any way. The FRS/BRZ are GREAT cars with tons of potential!!!. Thats why they are used professionally. Forced Inducted, they are amazingly quick and nimble once they are up and running. The problem is, unless you have the cash.. it'll always be inferior to the s2000 in the real world. From what i've seen. the person w/ a stock s2000 always has more seat time / less wrenching than a Turbo'd FRS/BRZ. Unless you are into wrenching/problem solving, then I guess I don't see that too bad. In the end, these are my just my opinions. I respect yours and will keep all that you said in mind, but I will continue to stick to mine until proven otherwise.

[@XArtisan]

Well I paid 16k for my mint 86 gts. And put about another 2k into tuning and header back exhaust. And the cheapest s2k, more unreliable too and convertible...are 20k. A good AP2 is 36k+, and decent AP1 is about 25k. Easily get a base model 86 for 15k. supercharge it for 7k. And it would be faster, cheaper, more reliable, modern (keyless entry), and not convertible. Uhm stop hating the 86, lol, here my 86 was 37k new, and s2k’s almost 20 years ago were 70k. No inflation adjusted. Those are straight up figures. Half the price. Lol. Compare the s2k to the 335i or 2jz Supra. Haha. That how much it was back in the day.

[@aaronbryan5095]

All these people in comment section seem to hate the FRS. I seriously hope the 2nd gen FRS/86/BRZ have a much better engine than the current generation right out of the box, also have a dedicated sports car chassis and suspension that isn't based on run of the mill Subarus.

[@TheMrBizmo]

These are great! Its like watching Hot Versions but I can understand what is being said.

[@UseGodsWisdom]

My eyes are Fine! I saw the S2K as the winner!

[@SubaruVideosUK]

That was awesome. How'd I miss this one before?!

[@hugoferreira6694]

I think the Yokohama advan fleva v701 would be a better tire. Can take track abuse. Grip like hell and super comfortable on the street. Should try those guys👍

[@zakuraayame5091]

FRS vs FD RX-7 just for eye candy alone would be nice imo

[@marcosaruca5283]

love these videos guys

[@supertien832]

Make more track battle videos with random cars. Love it.