The oxyphenbutazone bit is literally a pattern recognition
@alfonzog63273 ай бұрын
It's the Scrabble equivalent of Loss
@alexpotts65203 ай бұрын
I like the humour of UNEXTRAORDINARY. As Mack notes, probably the least self-descriptive Scrabble move ever.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
I know right! Awesome coincidence (or intentional genius wordplay?)
@freya287333 ай бұрын
very proud to have spotten individualizing before it was played
@Slaydrik3 ай бұрын
same
@tsukiiiiiii3 ай бұрын
Same here
@iwersonsch51313 ай бұрын
very proud to have spotted individualizing before the rack was drawn
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Nice!
@revere19913 ай бұрын
Very proud to have spotted Individualizing, Whipjack and Cetuximab before they were played. Also noticed the Extraordinary hook but didn't know it took the prefixe "un"
@jnegijnewirgjnbi3 ай бұрын
Scrabbles rule number one, never open a triple-triple-triple lane with a big lead.
@Rafikichu3 ай бұрын
"ordinar" and "dividual" are definitely dead giveaways. Very fun games, though.
@dustinbrown33173 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw HEN I knew what was going down 😂 great video
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Dang no love for PARTHENOCARPIES huh? 😂
@extremepayne3 ай бұрын
After the first, I was expecting more 15s, so I quickly saw the opportunity for IN(DIVIDUAL)ISTIC to come down. Crazy that there’s multiple extension bingoes possible there
@benjaminschmutter3 ай бұрын
IN(DIVIDUAL)ITIES is also a possibility here
@triskai3 ай бұрын
@@benjaminschmutter yeah I saw individualities ahead of time but not the other two haha
@disasterarea93413 ай бұрын
ooh nice amaranth is one of my friends from the pokemon community, it's so cool seeing him involved in the scrabble world as well!!
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Oh that's awesome!
@richardhudson46493 ай бұрын
I giggled the entire way through the video. Well done.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Haha thanks!
@BrettMKW3 ай бұрын
CETUXIMAB might be the weirdest looking bingo I've ever seen in my life. It's one of those words that doesn't even look like it should ever be a word and is a result of someone smashing their first into their keyboard. Proud of myself for finding both 15 letter bingoes, first one took a little bit to find tho.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Nice! And CETUXIMAB (Collins-only) is actually a cancer drug, I think there are a lot of pharmaceutical-related words ending in B that are Collins-only
@alexpotts65203 ай бұрын
Strong "good morning, that's a nice CETUXIMAB" energy
@jellomochas3 ай бұрын
See also: RITUXIMAB
@Ray_Ridley3 ай бұрын
Obscure pharmaceuticals show up occasionally in The (London) Times Monthly Club Special cryptic crossword, a super-difficult puzzle that really makes you explore the nooks and crannies of the Chambers Dictionary !
@lovemathboy3 ай бұрын
CSW overlaps are way too strong, definitely needs some balancing changes next update
@orager13 ай бұрын
thats actually a really funny joke i commend you
@itchy78793 ай бұрын
frr
@Josephonee3 ай бұрын
i love your pfp
@levelfiftyone3 ай бұрын
i cant wait for scrabble 2 by gary scrabble
@bowlofwhiskey3 ай бұрын
CSW 2024 Patch Notes - All words using two letters and below are hereby not considered words. This update was created with the intention that “surprised open-mouth syndrome” would cease its existence. - “BLAHAJ” implemented into dictionary.
@ExplosiveBrohoof3 ай бұрын
The ecstasy that rushed through my blood in the second game when I realized at the end that they were setting up for oxyphenbutazone.
@extremepayne3 ай бұрын
I think I’ve spotted a (CSW-only) loophole in the rules. Every word played must be valid, but you didn’t say anything about challenging! If both players challenge every play, they each get an extra 40 points overall (if I did the math right)
@AmaranthRBY3 ай бұрын
We are ahead of our time and simply play CSW with double challenge. (Alternatively, we are very stupid and bad, and we need the crutch of void challenge. Either way the lexicon doesn't automatically imply the challenge rule, though yes of course CSW traditionally uses 5-point challenge)
@manmanthirtysix51173 ай бұрын
Technically there's nothing stopping the players from playing illegal words if the opponent chooses not to challenge.
@rosiefay72833 ай бұрын
What points? A rejected challenge doesn't affect the score.
I think a cool idea like this would be most score from one player. I expect 2600 being the limit.
@danielzitnik42473 ай бұрын
Thanks for making the challenge and making content covering the best efforts (so far)! I did feel the commentary style was a bit odd, though, since both players are working towards the same goal.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Thanks! And fair point, thanks for the feedback -- was trying to make it feel at least somewhat suspenseful given people presumably knew more or less what was going ot happen
@tarlkudrick11743 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a cooperative game in which one player has to beat the other by the largest possible difference in scores. Something like 2,000 to 50 or so.
@richards314153 ай бұрын
One player could just pass and it becomes a solitaire game
@tarlkudrick11743 ай бұрын
@@richards31415 I hadn't thought of that. Okay, the rule would be that the second player has to score at least two points on every turn.
@thegodofpez3 ай бұрын
Very fun session! I love these random worlds of Scrabble. 🤟
@banana94943 ай бұрын
I was just sitting in bed last night, wondering what the highest possible constructed tied game using only bingoes with the CSW word list was. So I'm very glad to see this video come out today!
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Haha great timing, thanks for watching!
@throwaway17433 ай бұрын
Legitimately the most satisfying video on KZbin. Could not be happier!
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!!
@AOOA9263 ай бұрын
4:44 I smell individualities about to happen
@AOOA9263 ай бұрын
I was close
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Right idea!
@41cata3 ай бұрын
i was so confident that it was individualistic but then i saw the rack..
@rohitg15293 ай бұрын
Awesome construction, huge props to Amaranth and lovemathboy for these ingenious games. Quick question for you: Since you seem to play almost exclusively with the North American lexicon, is seeing CSW only words weird for you? Do you start confusing which words are CSW only and which ones can also be played in NWL?
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Very impressive stuff indeed! And good question -- at this relatively small volume of encountering CSW words it shouldn't cause me much confusion (also they'll stick out in my mind as having been in this constructed game), though if I started studying CSW more methodically I wouldn't be surprised if this started to happen more.
@Xadreco3 ай бұрын
16:31 complete missed opportunity to play 8I so for 0 to win
@orager13 ай бұрын
I saw this video in my notifs and I thought it happened in a tournament game and I was flabbergasted.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Haha that would've been insane! I doubt we'll ever see something quite that crazy in a tournament, unfortunately
@sophiegrey95763 ай бұрын
15:34 It was at this moment that I realized exactly what word was going to come down... A very famous word in scrabble circles. Amazing, incredible that an entire game was played with ONLY BINGOES to set this up.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
For sure! I've seen OXYPHENBUTAZONE set up with silly plays like UTA for 3 somewhere in the middle but doing it with all bingos is absolutely wild
@craiglarimer11733 ай бұрын
Wow. Bonkers game. Thx for the awesome video.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@100beep53 ай бұрын
I actually saw W(H)IPJACK before it was played! For something like this, I knew it was going to be a JACK triple-triple, and WHIPJACK was the only semi-reasonable one. An interesting challenge would be this one, but all the bingos *have* to be CSW.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@Zurround2 ай бұрын
If multiverse theory is true then there has to be a universe where this game actually happened as a regular game.
@MicroYeti3 ай бұрын
What if you relax the bingo constriction instead? I’m curious as to how two triple triple triple setups may work alongside each other to end in a tie, and as to how high score that game could be :)
@Starwort3 ай бұрын
This makes me wonder if this could work as a competitive multiplayer format: Each turn, play any word that could be formed with up to 7 tiles that have not yet been played; all other rules as normal. Kinda a cross between a bluffer's game and chicken
@barracudabob13 ай бұрын
So much open board left. I wonder what the record for letters played is if you have 200 (double starting) letters?
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
That would be a cool challenge! I doubt it's possible to fit 200 tiles on a 225-square board but who knows... 170 feels possible, maybe 180
@jellomochas3 ай бұрын
@@mackmeller orangetriangle proved 209 tiles in CSW given no restrictions on letter distribution
@caseydahl19523 ай бұрын
would this actually be easier if they all didn't have to be bingos? how close to optimal do you think these submissions are? I wish there was a way to know what the best one could be!
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
I still imagine one could get a bit higher without having to bingo every turn (you could have two 3*3*3s for like 1400-1500 each, that's close to 3000 points right there), but probably not wildly higher
@leafan1013 ай бұрын
Crazy that just next to me, as I watch this, is a medecine bottle full of ibuprofen, which is not oxyphenbutazone, but it is similar.
@tonysim45993 ай бұрын
How about another challenge to fit as many (CSW) bingos as possible on the board with 200 super scrabble tiles? Every play has to be a bingo. My record is 22 bingos with total score of 3356.
@rosiefay72833 ай бұрын
In that last game, there are several possible orders for the plays. I wonder which would maximise the loser's score. More generally, what theoretical Scrabble game maximises the loser's score?
@bowlofwhiskey3 ай бұрын
4:51 current thoughts: dividual? i think i see individualities coming
@bowlofwhiskey3 ай бұрын
5:36 oh my god.
@squadxzo3 ай бұрын
Xerantic was obviously a content play. That being said is it against the rules in a scrabble tournament to purposely set up a cool play for opponent during the endgame.
@nautilus2693 ай бұрын
Makes me effortlessly wonder what the highest winning score could be in other languages. I saw JACQUARD instantly for the record. XERaNTIC is like Vidit's king sacrifice, given the possibility of the potential outplay.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Haha you mean the blitz game against Hikaru where he moved his king next to Hikaru's? I still laugh at that every time it pops up on my feed
@nautilus2693 ай бұрын
@@mackmeller It was to buy some time, given the hopelessness of the position. I'd flag it as brilliant. I've heard of a situation where someone played a double triple. IE the player put their opening play parallel to the centre square inadvertently, and it was taken advantage of.
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
@@nautilus269 yep! I believe it was Dave Wiegand -- his opponent opened with VUG or something similar one slot below the star, Dave held AEEGILO and accepted his opponent's play and responded with E(U)LOGIAE for 116
@nautilus2693 ай бұрын
@@mackmeller This isn't the one I'm thinking of. It's another one with no real detail that was played possibly by someone who many haven't heard of. But thanks for sharing nonetheless. I think my personal best is 722-251 vs a local, with an unexpected outplay in what was a very average tournament otherwise. The opponent kept inventing words out of desperation. He reminded me of Kramnik a little bit emotionally.
@JorWat253 ай бұрын
You always state that the challenge is to create the highest-scoring tie where every play is a bingo, but I'm curious if removing the 'all plays must be bingos' rule would actually allow higher scores. I suspect not, thanks to the bonus points from bingoing, but there might be something clever you can do involving setting up high-scoring plays.
@pjet80423 ай бұрын
Now I need to lie down...
@lylecohen16383 ай бұрын
What if not every play has to be a bingo?
@burtondewitt11543 ай бұрын
Another constraint alteration: What is the highest possible tie game where every play is CSW bingo but is not valid in NWL.
@ronniemcgill88683 ай бұрын
TRUELOVE is REVOLUTE
@axyrl3 ай бұрын
NO WAY.
@Ethan-sc7gq2 ай бұрын
12:46 that better not be oxyphenbutazone
@asheep77973 ай бұрын
5:17 wait was i supposed to not see indiviualizing, or is this a joke
@PhysicsAdept3 ай бұрын
We are all gathered here today in the bathroom to see who has curled the longest turds in the bowl.
@lr0dl0123 ай бұрын
how did i find individualizing lol
@JDHinten3 ай бұрын
I will pose a challenge of my own to Mack's viewers: beat any of the scores that Mack has featured in these videos with the additional restriction that you may not play any 8 letter word that contains JACK 😏
@Austin1011233 ай бұрын
KY native lets gooo!
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Haha I didn't actually grow up here but I've lived in Lexington for 2 years and love it! You from here?
@Austin1011233 ай бұрын
@@mackmeller Louisville
@thenextpoetician63283 ай бұрын
It ain't braggin' if you can do it.
@AOOA9263 ай бұрын
The audio sounds a lot older in this video. Is there a reason for it?
@AOOA9263 ай бұрын
Can you upload these kinda videos week
@100beep53 ай бұрын
Spoiler blocker comment! (Sorry, normal spoiler blocker guy) Don't read the comments, try to find the plays yourself!
@AmaranthRBY3 ай бұрын
I'd like to dedicate this comment to the graveyard of failed constructions, some close to working, some less so. You tried your best, but you all weren't quite good enough. *ahem* SESQUI(SULPHIDE)S + VUVUZE(L)A instead of IN(DIVIDUAL)IZING + GRECQU(E)S; and a lot of other SESQUI(SULPHIDE)S layouts Various Z(OOGAMETE), Z(OOSPERM), Z(OOLOGIST) etc ideas in many configurations DETOXIFY 8-way overlap with ExAMINEE Playing CONEPATL, then OEDEMA(T)A through the T, then 7-way underlap of FLEXIB(L)Y The word PHYSIQUED, as a whole, many times, in all conceivable configurations CONFIGU(RATIONAL) TOWAWA(Y)S through the Y of UNEXTRAORDINARY, to be front hooked by an S, with a 6-way overlap of TIMONEE(R); and C(Y)TOSOME through the Y of UNEXTRAORDINARY, to be back hooked by an S, with a 6-way overlap of (R)EPOSURE M(Y)STAGOG through the Y of UNEXTRAORDINARY to be back hooked by a Y (no overlaps for this one, sorry) RE(PUBLICAN)IZING + CO(N)J(UNCTION)ALLY (with 'JUNCTIO' being 7-way overlapped by APEHOOD on the right) + BRIN(JAR)RIES + MAS(TOD)YNIA + N(ARROWED), yes all in one layout at once, yes it was relatively close to working (not really but kind of) The EMESISES incident (you don't get context for this one, just know that lovemathboy will forever be hurting) A special shoutout to an 1148-1148 tie that I constructed with all the same rules as the normal challenge, and the extra rule of having to use the word AMARANTH somewhere in the grid. (This one featuring PHYTO(PLANKTON)IC, NITRO(GLYCERIN)ES, BA(N)JAXED, and of course the valid 7 AMARANT being back hooked by the H) A final ultra special shoutout to CETUXIMAB for literally curing cancer (look it up, that's what it does) and to WHIPJACK for curing my thirst for high scores. Thanks for featuring our work Mack!!!
@lovemathboy3 ай бұрын
I will forever be a EMESISES believer
@jellomochas3 ай бұрын
@@lovemathboy did you try to hook it with an N
@Teehee57723 ай бұрын
I have an idea that can break the 1300 barrier: Game starts like my 1225-1225 tie - A bingo setting up a massive hook, a bingo through the first letter, and a 3x3 through that Then there are 8 bingo extending from the 3x3 to set up a ~1000 point 3x3x3 (very specific score because 1000 points is ~2 3x3s and a few higher scoring overlaps) Then there is another bingo extending the other direction setting up a 3x3 hooking the first play Though this might not be possible because the overlaps have to score a total of >500 points
@AmaranthRBY3 ай бұрын
@@Teehee5772 The problem with x27ers is the tie costraint. Even a relatively low scoring 27 timer (like the 1000 pts you suggest) would leave one of the two players with 1000pts + 6 other bingo scores. That's realistically at least 1300, I'm really not sure if the other player can reach it. Though in fairness, we have not tried it too extensively
@mackmeller3 ай бұрын
Dang I can't believe how many of these you guys tried! That's amazing. Thanks so much for all your work on this and congrats again on both of these records -- please let me know if you ever end up beating it! I'd thought of the possibility of a 27-timer like you guys were discussing below but also thought it would be tough to make it a tie -- maybe if it's an even lower-scoring 27-timer, like 800-900 it could work though? With that and 6 other not super-high scoring bingos you get to around 1300, so if the opponent gets 2 3*3s for 300-400 each (the low-scoring 27-timer wouldn't use power tiles so those could be reserved for the 3*3s) and the higher-scoring of the remaining bingos maybe they could catch up? Hard to say, but if any of you guys give it a shot keep me posted!