Screwed by Starlink | Episode126

[@truthhurts-u6e]

The way around it is to re register the starlink in another country. For example, Aruba just uses a random address, and then it will work again. Use your same credit card and name. I had the same problem with starlink after months of emails with starlink it seemed to be the only solution.

[@paulforster12345]

I have been to 46 countries with ours no issues, all you need to do is say you have sold it to yourself who now lives in the country you are in. Use an address such as the local marina and then you can use the system as a local priority user on much cheaper rates. Easy when you know how. I did pay the $1k per month for a year before I learned this 😂 good luck and best videos on YT

[@svsaguaro]

They cannot do this, because it is not yet available in ABCs.

[@paulforster12345]

@@svsaguaro yeah, always check where you are and where you are going to be as you get two months outside of the country you left. Check the coverage map, for Fair Isle Trinidad then next nearest is Columbia 😉

[@deborahdoyle6743]

Nice show

[@fredbugden3511]

You can only do that every 3 months which leaves you a month short

[@sailingpolaris]

Yup, just did exactly this from UK to Norway. Deactivate Starlink and close your existing account, open a new account under a different email address in the new country, just choose any address near to you to activate your Starlink and off you go. In our case we even pay less than before…😂

[@SirCharles12357]

How you kept those butterflies in focus while chasing them around is impressive!

[@monsoonworldsafari3348]

Hi guys, I had the same with my Starlink last month. But start working again after about a week. Aruba is great.

[@svfairisle]

Thats interesting, why do you think it started working again? Did you get the message that you'd been away more than 2 months when they cut you off?

[@monsoonworldsafari3348]

@@svfairisle Yes, and I was away like more than a year and still are.

[@goofy4birds]

Yes on the Starlink roam plan you are allowed up to two months international travel per trip

[@sailingfabule1805]

We have the true maritime Starlink with the maritime roaming arrangement. This works well for us, the HW initial cost is about 3000-4000 euros plus installation, so high but it is specifically done for maritime connectivity, and works also well underway with a bit of sea.

[@svfairisle]

That’s far to expensive for us and draws far to much power. The standard Starlink works perfectly ( when they are not changing the rules and cutting you off!) so if we can re register we will. At the moment though I’ve got a Digicell SIM card that gives me unlimited data for $ 50 / month so no hurry to go back to Starlink!

[@evinwhiteson4902]

​@@svfairisle The guy has it right. You have to have the proper plan. Expensive yes but not when you're 1000 miles out at sea and watching a KZbin video of someone pissed at starlinks plan pricing. I use mine for at sea and use sim cards near land.

[@michellenwhiteartist]

Beautiful video, it must have been amazing to see the flamingos so close.💕

[@brucemcfadden8906]

Love your channel and film making skills. Beautiful film. Thank You.

[@rainfinger]

Great video! We were using Solis, having connectivity in 130 countries, but not here. Digicel sold us a SIM card for 100ANG for 100GB with excellent service in Curacao.

[@yvonnekneeshaw2784]

Oh my those pink flamingos & butterfly info .. thank u from 🇨🇦 ❤

[@naveenjayapal2331]

Starlink has been notifying many sailing channels for more than 6 months...definitely before you left Gibraltar.

[@svfairisle]

The contract has changed about 6 times in 6 months, we very rarely get the email stating the change so it often takes us by surprise

[@perfstaas7188]

@@svfairisle Stating WHERE you can use it? I dont belive that.

[@svfairisle]

@@perfstaas7188 Where you can use it has changed dozens of times between now and Gibraltar. For instance when we sailed up the Windward Islands it worked on and between every island. As we sailed back however it did not work between the islands, you just got a message saying 'you appear to be at sea' Also when we were in Bonaire it cut off without notice as the government there decided they didnt want it available on their territory. However this has nothing to do with the ever changing rules about where it will and will not work. It's just down to one simple policy change implemented a few weeks ago whereby you can only now use Starlink for 2 months away from the country you registered it in. This is obviously a major change from when we purchased and I'm sure will lead to many people wanting their money back from Musk as they have effectively bought a product under false pretenses. Personally we will just find a way around it and just be aware that Starlink can never be fully trusted.

[@russmarkham2197]

Hi Steve. The varnish used by Magic Carpet was Epifanes I think. And maybe some of the paint.

[@Cptnbond]

Have you tried eSIM? No need to run around locally to find and buy physical SIM cards. Cheers.

[@billhollinshead]

15:24 the granite is similar to The Baths in Virgin Gorda, BVI. Its scalloped weathering texture is called tafoni (like some boulders in The Baths).

[@atakd]

Yes, very similar. Granite in the tropics erodes more quickly, by chemical means rather than the physical weathering in temperate regions.

[@MOTOUK1]

What about E sim apps, used them in europe and work well.

[@markustourister]

Geaographically I did the same like you and staying in Trinidad now. You have to sell your Starlink kit to another email adress (change yours first and sell it to the old one). After having "sold" it, you can buy a new package with your new caribbean address. I am only describing the process how I did it and how it worked not if this makes sense or not. Good luck

[@svfairisle]

Yes it's what we had to do when we crossed the Atlantic as the contract was by continent. They've stopped having that rule but started the 2 month rule, so I guess you're right it's a matter of selling and rebuying every 2 months!

[@reversingentropy]

​@@svfairisle You can't do that any longer you can only sell your device once every 120 days. The thought of everything 🤦‍♂️

[@svfairisle]

@@reversingentropy Yes thats why ive ordered a starlink mini. I'll register that for where we expect to be in 2 months time, so it will reset when we get there, then it should work for 2 months after we leave by which time I will have the other starlink registered. We should be able to flip flop in that way.

[@reversingentropy]

@@svfairisle That is a good idea, Untill they change the rules again to prevent it 😅😅 they really want us on the maritime plan. We can only wait and hope for the best.

[@markustourister]

@@svfairisle actually in my case it works already for more than 4 months.... Once you have transferred the equipment, you can establish a new contract with a new address... But unfortunately they change rules quite frequently....

[@factanonverba6169]

Butterfly knowledge, beautiful.

[@stevebrunning3432]

Firstly it’s heavily over subscribed, the good news is that Amazon are launching their Kuiper system shortly. Competition is good and bring the everyone into a reality check

[@timothyblazer1749]

Lmao

[@rcralphpfister]

Who will take those satellites into space?

[@timothyblazer1749]

@@rcralphpfister So, apparently Blue Origin is going to succeed on their very first launch, and have no problems getting launch cadence up faster than anyone else ever has, to the point where they are actually able to insure payloads. Or so they say. Let's just say, I'm skeptical.

[@artsmith103]

Fly up to Annapolis..... I couldn't imagine how you were going to pull that off.

[@ooweesaler]

😁 we have looked at Slink. We would pay £80 a month for the rv package but its over £200 a month for the boat. Not for us. Looking for a decent 4g antenna to help.

[@whowhy9023]

You can use the star-link RV contract. Should work anywhere near the coast everywhere. Far out at sea only the Marine contract works.

[@svfairisle]

It would be nice if it were as straight forward and easy as that, sadly it really isn’t

[@jacobuszwanenburg1629]

Addictions are costly Remember when you had to find a phone and buy minutes Spain had rooms with phones for this reason in places.

[@eduardomeirelles5390]

If you had a regional RV plan in Europe, it won’t work in the Americas after 2 months…which is apparently what happened to you. Maybe the solution is just to buy anothe regional plan in the americas, RV Lovely episode

[@svfairisle]

No that’s not what happened to us. The 2 month thing is new. When we came across Starlink was continent specific so we had to reregister when we crossed to a Stateside address, thankfully that’s not necessary any more

[@Lilrom2003]

Have you tried E-SIMs to not require buying SIM cards ( via one of the many eSIM providers apps)

[@MichealForsyth-n6v]

In the US Star link for boats is $395 month is $165 a month

[@svfairisle]

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[@philipwright7186]

Happy birthday Judy!

[@fredbugden3511]

This is the exact reason we are holding off on Starlink. We have 2 29€ Digicel unlimited data plans. As long as we have cel service it's no contest.

[@svfairisle]

Yes we’ve now got an unlimited data sim in Aruba that’s less than half the price of Starlink. We were happy to pay double for the convenience of it working in a new country when we arrive and not having to hunt for a phone shop, but once it starts getting massively more expensive than 4G people will think twice.

[@davidnichols147]

Marvelous, the editing, cinematography and essence is the best on Utube. Enjoy Annapolis!

[@russmarkham2197]

i like your rain piano music

[@MaShcode]

Affordable marine sat sounds like a niche biz op for some enterprising startup. 😂 Doh! I take it you’re maybe hanging with the homies in Annapolis. Wish I had the time to hop a train down from NYC and meet you guys. Someday. Enjoy.

[@emmengel]

The easy way around it is, throw in the ben as as you British say. I' al not get on my high horse about it.

[@BombaBVI]

We’ve never had any trouble with starlink.

[@HGills]

I’m pretty sure I read about this starlink bringing in this geo-restriction. Basically they’re saying if you want something to roam globally then you’re going to have to pay for it. Bit of a bummer when it’s a privately owned sailing vessel like yours compared to mega yachts with crew and guests where $600 pm isn’t a huge cost but for the average couple in a yacht it’s massive

[@paulliebenberg3410]

Thanks for including the talk by the butterfly docent, never knew about the mating ritual complexities! I'm happy with my fixed base Starlink, the mobile prices are extortionary. Elon's got the market forces figured out pretty close though.

[@tmog1000]

Not for marine he hasn't.

[@roberts8783]

No esim ?

[@svfairisle]

It’s an idea, I think they are getting better, we had one in the States for Annapolis. Seem to be expensive though, we need a lot of data ideally unlimited

[@kodiak7]

Starlink treating all boaters like we have superyacht budgets. 😡

[@njbaskipper]

Egalitarian communist fool, what does the size of the ship have to do with the Starlink service, if you can't afford it don't take it. See the Sim cards, in the end for being immersed in the communication circuit you will pay the same.🤣🤣 Estúpido. Iridium Go Exec

[@faircompetition1203]

Gouging because they can , there is very little extra cost for a boat or a house . The satellites' are there anyway , some claim the "cost " is they have to jump across a few before they can relay to ground if you are far out to sea , maybe but these satellites will be doing nothing anyway - they are over the ocean at that time and will not be busy till over land again. There is no additional cost really .

[@svjuno]

BS, it’s very easy to change zones. Google before jumping to uninformed conclusions.

[@Mike9001000]

They’re assuming anyone sailing offshore has pots of money, which is often far from reality.

[@laurapitre5797]

Starlink especially at sea is a luxury. If it's not in your budget then do without. Many companies use introductory prices its a quite common practice.

[@chamuel48]

What a lovely episode. Loved the explanation about butterflies life. The first shot of the German ship was just wow.

[@SVImpavidus]

Starlink. Business strategy for new technology.... First find your market. Then undercut everyone to dominate it and eliminate the competition. Then put the price up... What does Elon say on X? It's his business. Sail Safe Guys, Ant & Cid

[@tmog1000]

There was noone to undercut and still isn't, he is the only one in the market. Why he is doing this I have no idea. It's putting me off from having anything to do with him.

[@lightning9279]

@@tmog1000 He has different pricing for different countries. Venezuela is something like $25 a month. The richer countries are subsidizing the markets in poor countries. Plus, SVImpavidus said it correctly. That is Elons strategy. His competition is the already existing wifi providers. He needs to wean people off those other providers and on to his. The amount of money on the table represented by other companies is a staggering sum.

[@maxflight777]

*Idiotic comment, the starlink subscription has reduced since its launch*

[@sanyaomerovic1659]

@@tmog1000Cause he blown 40 billions on buying social media company 😂😂😂😂

[@svfairisle]

It's not an idiotic comment at all, in fact it's completely correct. The pricing has changed up and down depending on where you fit in the ever changing rule to what contract you need. We did expect the base price to come down as more people came on board but it hasn't, there was an across the board rise of $15/month on the US $150 roam contract just last month

[@stanstanton6154]

I thought the point of this starling was to use it anywhere!

[@MultiBmorgan]

This definitely forces my hand about starling. Unfortunately, cruisers probably don't have the numbers to matter to Elon.

[@nooneanybodyknows7912]

Get in touch with Sierra and Billy of Thula's Endless Summer. She can tell you what they did to get around this issue. She recently posted about it, but I honestly don't remember the remedy. They'll happily help you, I'm sure.

[@samaipata4756]

Starlink‘s price and plan structure is beyond my understanding. A guy would expect it to accommodate mobility. Are they afraid about loosing control about the ability to charge their customers, it might?! Would be interesting to know about their concern! Maybe they could solve their problem by implementing a prepaid system? Room for improvement Elon!😉

[@janvandenbosch3821]

By the way loved the episode with the SIM Card 🙂

[@mikeferguson2828]

It’s a simple solution you just resell the Starlink to yourself at your “new “ address. You need a new email address as well. Simple enough. People do it all the time in SE Asia

[@svfairisle]

Yes we’ve already done that once when we crossed the Atlantic as at that point Starlink units wouldn’t work in another continent. Trouble is they are saying you cannot ‘resell’ the unit within 90 days so two Starlink units may be necessary to keep constant connection. We are getting a mini to be able to do this

[@stephenburnage7687]

It's almost certainly a legislative issue in that the contract has to comply with local law. However the same issue does not arise with Iridium Go.

[@svfairisle]

No this is starlinks new rule about operating for more than 2 months away from the country of registry. There are issues with local country laws, that was the case in Bonaire, but not here

[@Coleen-Love]

Another -- QUESTION -- If I was able to set up a business that would receive your unit and turn it on in your home country and then courier it back to you (I guees every two months) would that be something worthwhile? Might be a business idea... you courier only the key part of the system or maybe email the seriel number, then we activate it in the home country to reestablish service, and then send it back?? Silly that it must be done that way but so be it.

[@tmog1000]

Now there is a thought.

[@lightning9279]

I posted the same. Waiting for them to reply if that is a viable option. The question is how long does it have to be in the country of origin in order to reset. A day, a week, a month???

[@atakd]

I used to that with a sim that had a 60 day roaming limit, post it to a mate who'd send an SMS then send it back. Put the phone on call divert to my spare while it was away.

[@Coleen-Love]

@@atakd ...so I guess my idea is not really a new idea? Oh well... Still I would be willing to receive the parts and set it up for $25.00 and return (not including shipping costs).

[@iaingray36]

I don’t agree regarding anchor buoys being useful in crowded anchorages. They are positively hazardous for boats manoeuvring around particularly in poor light and another hazard to avoid if boats drag in poor weather.

[@reversingentropy]

Around here having a buoy in your anchor is considered good boat etiquette. It lets others know where your anchor is how much scope you have and prevents someone from anchoring they're boat on top of your anchor. It also deters people from speeding in the Anchorage because their propeller might get fouled in the buoys line.

[@svfairisle]

The buoy would be nothing but useful in a crowded anchorage, if everyone had them then anchoring would be much easier to work out as you came in to find a spot

[@atakd]

If you have 30m of chain out then a boat can safely anchor 10m off your bow but not if you have an anchor buoy out as their chain / boat will foul it. I've seen people informed of this in no uncertain terms in Greece and Spain. People would much prefer to spend 2 minutes motoring out of your way during anchor recovery than forego an anchorage for the night.

[@reversingentropy]

@@atakd ohhh i see so you are the problem loool just kidding 🙏. What happens when the first boat needs to leave ? Now you have a boat between you and your anchor, and you can't pick up anchor.

[@atakd]

I think if you read my comment thoroughly it will answer your question.

[@WaterTrails]

Is your anchor marker self-adjusting ? I stopped using mine because the slack in it, and the boat swirling around it with the tidal change, would cause it to entangle with my rode (extremely hazardous as it 'trips' the anchor hold). I only know of 1 self-adjusting marker buoy and it's quite large and expensive. Yours looks compact and pyramid shaped.

[@svfairisle]

Yes it’s self adjusting with gps location linked back to the boat, there will be a proper review soon

[@Coleen-Love]

Nice video! -- SUGGESTION -- I believe it was SV Delos that uses a third party company to order Starlink, and that company gets around all those off shore restrictions and does so for less than the full price. Might be worth looking into. Regardless, even if they price it higher, it might well be worth the price. For me it would be (but don't tell them) as the internet is simply so important to me that for $100 per week it would be a no brainer. But do try getting the service from a consolidator or maybe order it through the US if need be if that helps with plans and prices. I doubt that Delos paid anything like $400/month.

[@davidcocker8878]

Not only boaters but Motorhome users too, lots of friends from EU playing hell about them here in EU where we spend post Brexit 90 in 90 Day law yet we are still using SIM Card, Starlink conditions of use are a minefield otherwise we would use them

[@TheWorldsprayer]

This means you aren't using starlink marine and are using the land-based system on your boat which spacex and starlink have repeatedly said is not intended and stresses the system outside of its design. You can't be upset for pushing a product far outside the terms you should have been aware of.

[@svfairisle]

The marine service is not meant for private yachts the pricing tells you that. The marine contracts are pitched at super yachts and cruise liners who can pay enormous amounts of money to stay connected. Starlink is absolutely not stressed outside it’s operating base on a boat, amazingly enough it works perfectly, a testament to how good the system is. The problem is small boat owners are a tiny group and we slip through the gaps. It makes no sense for us to pay 10 times the price of a Sim based system for the small advantages of Starlink, a lot of us are happy to pay 2 or 3 times the rate for good fast service though no we can get that if Elon doesn’t keep trying to push us off the roam (land based) service onto something meant for super yachts.

[@TheWorldsprayer]

@@svfairisle I would argue against that. I have regular starlink and its 110 a month. Starlink maritime which is unlimited bandwidth within 12NM of most shores (because its acting like normal starlink then) is only twice that cost with 50GB a month of off shore data which is really to make sure you have connectivity in crossings. I wouldnt say 250/mo for almost infinite internet when in cruising ranges of land to be a superyacht or cruise line thing at all. I suppose if you're just sitting around in a marina all the time or within a couple miles of land usually then I suppose you would be right, but anyone who actually sails outside the visual range of land would find it a godsend. The idea that if something goes wrong in the middle of the ocean you can pop off a teams/gmail/discord message to someone you know is amazing.

[@svfairisle]

yes I agree 250/month wouldn't be too bad for people like us that sail offshore and use a lot of internet, but does the 'Boats' contract automatically switch back to unlimited when inshore? i heard it doesn't. Also can you use it for more than 2 months outside of your registered country? Thats the most debilitating thing for cruisers at the moment. The FAQ's seem to hint you can change your registered address as you travel but I couldn't.

[@russmarkham2197]

I think internet access companies are notorious for deliberately confusing customers with lots of different service tiers, complicated product packages, price changes and hidden costs. Starlink seems to be no exception. They probably think they have a monopoly on boat internet service. Hopefully, that will not always be the case.

[@tmog1000]

Amazon is not far away now so maybe we won't have to wait too long. And Jeff Bezos I think is a bit more stable than Elon.

[@russmarkham2197]

@@tmog1000 yes. hoping that Bezos gets his act together.

[@atakd]

A drunk on a unicycle is more stable than Musk.

[@russmarkham2197]

@@atakd I have little respect left for Musk. He is useless at social media and I cannot abide his politics. However, Spacex just caught the Super-Heavy on the first attempt. That's impressive. Probably the President and COO of Spacex Gwynne Shotwell should get the credit for SpaceX's latest achievements.

[@fredbugden3511]

@@tmog1000 not going to happen any time soon

[@perfstaas7188]

You did not know the terms of use regarding Starlink?

[@svfairisle]

They changed them and didnt send us a email, so no!

[@geezenslaw]

I'm in a marina and if do sail anywhere next year it'll be down the ditch and just pause SL and use it when I'm at anchor somewhere and probably like SFI just give up alltogether... Fair Winds...

[@timfish]

I don't have Starlink but I've heard you can just change your service address every month and this issue goes away?

[@svfairisle]

yes it's what we had to do when we crossed the Atlantic, you have to sell it to yourself and change the address which is wierd!

[@lightning9279]

@@svfairisle Can you send the starlink back to your place of origin and plug it in for a couple days then have someone send it back. Wondering if that would reset for another two months?

[@fredbugden3511]

You can only do that every 3 months

[@svfairisle]

@@lightning9279 yes it would work, in fact if we had space I would have taken it when we flew to Annapolis this week. Posting it would take ages and we’re rarely in one place long enough, plus it would probably be cheaper to buy a new unit!

[@pm1104]

Here’s a thought ……another sailor ( sail life ) on u tube also , I believe has starlink too so ask him how he deals with this issue ! ❤

[@christianvazquez2838]

Would Nord VPN be able to help with the connection point to change it to your country of residence, sponsorship incoming LOL

[@svfairisle]

VPN’s don’t fool Starlink unfortunately

[@elgar104]

Pricing is marketing/ branding. If they're over subscribed and want to retain the exclusive feel..... guess what happens to the price?

[@henrye718]

I dont know whats it cost to design, build, and lauch satelites into outerspace...

[@SailingSeaStar_]

This video got some push back for sure and I kind of agree with them. Starlink has been used by many at sea on plans and units where it’s not meant to work but it did. Everyone who was doing this kinda knew that it won’t last forever. I am not a lover of them for changing the subscription and rules all the time though and it’s not fair on users. I have been looking and waiting for the mini for a while now and have seen the rules re 2 months out of region/country which for the use I get with our boat next year in the med will work but I get if your full time on board then it’s getting silly money really. I do use when out of my phone sim zones an app which is an e sim, they are becoming popular atm but not sure if they would work where you are atm. Love the channel and hope you get sorted soon 👍

[@tulgaulug]

That butterfly shots with what I presume insta360 were awesome! 🧿 It would’ve won the academy awards had it been done 20 years ago!

[@svfairisle]

Yes modern cameras are a marvel

[@brianstanswood2069]

GET an ESIM and use Saily for data works in all countries...need a phone that has an ESIM capability

[@svfairisle]

Do they have an unlimited tariff? We use a lot of data

[@brianstanswood2069]

Not sure about uniform package.. I just use it when I travel ..just pick a data pack that you need over a given period and activate before you go or from a free wifi point where you are.

[@maxflight777]

The starlink bubble is bursting? *NO* The rest of the world love the product and thank Elon for winning and delivering.

[@sanyaomerovic1659]

People who live in bunnies , RVs or otherwise mobile, have to deal with Starlink because it’s reliable. Nobody else will pay that rate when they can have reliable connections for much less. Maybe that’s why they jacked up the rates for mobile Starlink, because Elon misjudged the demand in urban places.

[@pjotr1338]

It's not Starlink. These are national regulations.

[@svfairisle]

No the 2 month thing is all on Starlink

[@billhanna5455]

Oh dear no self drive any more lol , Itll work out .

[@antonynr]

Better dust off the old SSB Transceiver - at least that's free!! Obviously Starlink has had to add the cost of coating all those data packages with 516 Stainless, as it's being used in a marine environment and they were rusting away. 😆

[@boberry66]

Maritime starlink is 250 bucks a month. Not 450.

[@svfairisle]

Depends on where you are

[@hansslob6749]

Starlink isn’t for your convenience, it’s to make money. As much as possible.

[@tmog1000]

Not my money at that rate.

[@russmarkham2197]

if they treat customers poorly, they will lose them when there is more competition. Stupid strategy by Elon / Spacex. I would avoid his businesses anyway for political reasons these days.

[@maxflight777]

@@russmarkham2197Show me on the doll where Elon hurt you. 😂

[@Ghost_Recon_Actual]

Would a VPN fool the Starlink as far as country of residence?

[@svfairisle]

No, has no effect

[@michaelfarnworth4467]

Your problem is that Starlink isn’t officially available in Aruba yet and you have spent too much time there.

[@svfairisle]

No it has nothing to do with that.

[@GeorgeLittle-ft2yx]

I think it’s a common practice for companies to give you something you need, or want, for relatively little money until you’re hooked, then to bump up the prices to extortionate rates. If we all just stood together and boycotted these companies they would soon learn that the customers are always right. You all know what companies that do this cutie a few media companies do it, but also gas and electric companies just to suggest a few😮

[@judyaslett6209]

I think this is what we are seeing here 😢

[@fredbugden3511]

The problem is Starlink has a monopoly

[@smulismuli7976]

Elon starting to milk the cow...it was too good to be true, to be true. E-sims are probably the way to go but obviously have to be close to the shore

[@luckybeanzphoto]

Ah I was waiting for this video to come out. There was a thread on YBW discussing this.

[@svjuno]

A simple Google search would inform you how to resolve this common issue.

[@iainlyall6475]

can you get an american friend to use their addrs for you?

[@svfairisle]

No thats not the issue, it's already registered at Judys fathers address in New Jersey

[@evinwhiteson4902]

You just need the proper set up. Thats starlink maritime with the 2,500.00 starlink gear. Then 250.00 a month for 50g . Then 2.00 a gig above 50g.

[@svfairisle]

We absolutely don’t need the maritime set up, its far to power hungry and works no better than the standard dish, so just a waste of money. At the moment we can have unlimited data on a SIM card for €40/month so paying 5 times as much for an inferior service makes no sense. We like the advantages that Starlink gives but cruisers will have to find work around for the ever changing rules or it will price itself out of the market

[@timothyblazer1749]

​@@svfairislewell, then cruisers will have to wait for V3, when costs will plummet.

[@evinwhiteson4902]

@@svfairisle But. It does work anywhere all the time. No restrictions.I just pause my service when I am in a erea with sim coverage. 250.00 a month is cheap when you're months at sea. And 2,500 cost of gear is cheaper than just about all marine electronics. I am on a majore budget. I have a modest tayana 37. So I am not some well off yachty. My unit burns 7 amps. It's hungry. But I only use it 2 or 3 hours a day at sea. I unplug it . Life's a beach.

[@svfairisle]

@@evinwhiteson4902 might be fine for limited use I suppose but we burn at least 500Gb/month with the business so thats north of $1000/month! I do wonder though is the pausing pro rata? ie do you pay the full $250/month if you just use it a few days that month or get hit for the full month?

[@wrbouwman7287]

👍

[@peterwwalker]

You can mive address regularly

[@svfairisle]

Not more than once in 90 days apparently

[@lozzzafilms]

Elon didn’t become a serious billionaire by charging reasonable prices 😬

[@Ranchpig67]

It's not just a Starlink issue... almost all internet/cell in the "west" is extortionary. The US is probably THE most expensive place to have cell/internet. It's absolutely ridiculous. And the service is crap outside of major cities. I'm not so sure that having internet and cell phones is all that good for humanity anyway.

[@graeme-sailingskeptic]

IT was great to catch up with guys again in Annapolis! Hopefully we'll meet again next year. The butterfly mating sounds very much like human mating in 2024 😂

[@peterwwalker]

Another vote for just change your address to a near by marina in the country your in .. should be sorted on roam unlimited..

[@svfairisle]

Yes that’s the plan. At the moment though that will be difficult to do as you can’t reregister a unit more than once in 90 days and the cut off for being away is 60. I’ve ordered a mini in the UK, couldn’t get one in Annapolis, so when Judy brings it I will register is somewhere we are heading to then reregister the standard unit when the mini gets cut off. At least you can pause plans at the moment. My guess is that may go soon.

[@johnnydfred]

Certainly is curious, as Elon appears to have no understanding of his Starlink business model. It should mean nothing to the service where a user resides. Scale the service appropriately and price it accordingly, Muskie!

[@russmarkham2197]

exactly. The whole point of satellites is that it cost no more to cover the ocean than the land

[@laurapitre5797]

​@@russmarkham2197you don't understand how they work...

[@laurapitre5797]

Most people don't move their house. He's a billionaire but you're going to explain business to him😅😅😅!

[@russmarkham2197]

​@@laurapitre5797 Actually I do. I have financed a satellite constellation. So I know a great deal about satellite internet and satellite TV, space launches, and the insurance

[@russmarkham2197]

@@laurapitre5797 musk is clearly a genius and a visionary at manufacturing, but he is useless at service industries especially social media. Huge blunders.

[@Jim-jh9bd]

Musk is coming out with a cheap phone that links to Star Link . The phone is called the Pi Phone

[@alanwilkins139]

🙏❤️👍🎂

[@Simonck]

Starlink is way too pricey for most liveaboards and it seems comes with limitations. We've been using a TP link wifi adapter in Greece and Turkey for the past seven months, 200gb a month in Turkey works out at £14 a month, speed and reliability has been excellent.

[@lukebob4243]

Totally disagree with this your spreading misinformation. It is in the terms of service however starlink are only cutting off people who use starlink in unauthorised countries like you are now. They don't actually enforce this if you use it in countries where you're allowed

[@svfairisle]

Please don’t put misinformation on here we are very careful to have proper information and not to spread the sort of nonsense you’ve just written

[@timothyblazer1749]

The OP is correct. The only way to get consistent, worldwide coverage is to get a "marine" plan. Yes, it is more expensive. That's because at sea you're using many more satellites than on land. Starlink let many people slide who used other plans, for a long time ( like the RV unit and plan), but they are now moving to enforce their terms more strictly, since the abuse has gotten out of hand. The good news is that the price should come way down once starship starts delivering the V3 satellites into orbit.

[@thomasthornton5737]

😀😀👍👍👍❤❤

[@svsaguaro]

You simply have to transfer it to the country you are in. Takes 5 minutes to cancel your plan and transfer it. Plenty of guides online how to do this. I did it here in guatemala. And now I only pay $40us /mo for starlink because the plans are cheaper here. Edit: oh you're in aruba. Ok well thats just violating their tos. They are just enforcing the tos that have always existed. I don't think it's extortion to enforce an existing policy.

[@svfairisle]

Aruba arn't enforcing any cut off, Bonaire did a couple of months ago and everybodys service died overnight. It was the day before we sailed to Aruba. Ours was the 2 month rule as stated in the message that came up on the Starlink app.

[@svsaguaro]

@svfairisle you don't understand what I'm saying. Starlink is not yet available in aruba (or any of ABCs. Check the starlink map). This is because aruba has not come to agreement with starlink. In almost every country that has yet to allow starlink, it has been the cell networks that lobby hard to keep it out. Pure greed. Your blame is misplaced. It's arubas fault not starlink that you can't use it there.

[@Markymarkcy]

)) just proves you either did not read the reason for disconnection and / or didn't watch the video .

[@svsaguaro]

@@Markymarkcy I think it proves more that you don't understand what I'm talking about. They are misrepresenting their issue with Starlink and blaming SL for something that is their own fault. The 60 day out of country rule is easily solveable if you're in a country where starlink is available: Just transfer your service to the new country. They openly admit that they have already done this in the past so they know how to do this. However, Starlink is not available in the country they are in yet. Therefore, they are violating the TOS by operating starlink in an unavailable country. Why is it unavailable? Because ABCs/Starlink have not yet come to terms. So, again, I say: Blame Aruba, not Starlink.

[@carolkar5687]

can't wait for competition

[@maxflight777]

Elon has no competition… he crushed them!

[@ckeilah]

Don’t try to screw stink, maybe it won’t try to screw you back. Buy the plan that they offer for the use case you actually have, instead of trying to sneak a cheap plan for uses it was never intended for.

[@TomBoyceMiami]

Screwed yourself. We have Starlink Maratime and 6,000 mile Transatlantic loop from Caribbean to artic and back, flawless. Pay for the service you use or don't complain.

[@svfairisle]

If you're going backwards and forwards across the Atlantic you have no other option and if you can afford it then Starlink is a great thing to have as we said when we crossed. Cruising the Caribbean as we are at the moment though we can get extremely good connection with sim cards just about everywhere so to pay for the Maritime contract you would be have to have more money than sense.

[@robinstepanek1345]

Elon musk has an email and I submit an email to him pleading our case. We can not afford $450 a month and I doubt most sailors can. I am a retired teacher, so not “rich” by any means. Starlink could mean the difference between life or death if the only choice you have is your EPIRB (about half won’t work) or an Irridium Go. We are RVers of the oceans! SV Dulcinea

[@janvandenbosch3821]

Starlink, Netflix, Amazon Prime all the same. As soon as you are hooked up the price increase, membership subscriptions are going up, etc.... Lost my appetite to go for a Starlink mini as i can see the rates going up, going up and it is not like mr Musk needs more money is it. Why can they never be satisfied. Now it is just waiting until someone comes up with an alternative.

[@1240enzo]

Maybe instead of using Starlink, which does seem to have a number of real issues, you might be better off using an IridiumGo. We used this when crossing the Tasman from NZ to Australia and had absolutely no issues with it, and unlike Starlink it doesn’t have the issue of time or country of origin issues.

[@fredbugden3511]

Expensive and no bandwidth.

[@maxflight777]

*Imagine my surprise, you two hate Elon*

[@svfairisle]

Well I think we are very well aligned with the thinking world. Elon is brilliant no doubt but has a very floored personality. Someone recently asked the question, who is more dangerous to the world, Trump or Elon? And surprisingly the consensus was Elon

[@sailingnaivasha]

@@svfairisle Nonsense, the guy is fantastic!

[@boberry66]

It’s clear in the agreement what you agreed too. Why are you surprised?

[@svfairisle]

Because they changed the contract and didn’t inform us, some people apparently got an email we didn’t

[@boberry66]

@@svfairisle I love the show, but I’ll bet you will want Starlink back. Maritime is a big upfront cost, but the price isn’t too high considering the speed in the middle of the ocean. Just an opinion.

[@SuperDirk1965]

You were screwed by Musk? No kidding...

[@Sailingsandgrownun]

Just change your address, any address will do, google it, you should able to stay with the same package

[@reversingentropy]

You can't change the address for another outside of your country. You can only change it within the country of origin. Also you cannot just create a new account and transfer the hardware every two months because hardware transfer is only possible once every 120days.

[@Sailingsandgrownun]

Well this is from the Starlink website? If you use Starlink Mobile Service in a country different from your shipping address for over two months, Starlink may require you to update your registered address to your new location. If your new location is not in an authorized territory (marked "Available" or "Waitlist" on the Starlink map), your service may be immediately suspended. See Terms of Service for more information.

[@reversingentropy]

@@Sailingsandgrownun that's the reason why they screwed people over. That was not the case when i signed up for the service. Nor was it the case that you could only sell or transfer your hardware only once every 120days... They have changed the rules. They keep changing the rules. We had a service for coastal mobile internet with option to enable priority data for ocean use. Now the priority data option is gone, and tou have to go back to your country every 60 days and you can't change address for a different country, and you can't transfer the hardware. And boating service is 450eur per month. So for us and many boaters Starlink is just useless now.

[@Sailingsandgrownun]

@@reversingentropy I’m confused, I’ve been using Starlink for 2 years now in the Med, my registered address is the UK, they messaged me 2 months ago changing my plan to Roam unlimited it’s still working fine on £85 per month

[@gertboerman3666]

On the day your Starlink failed, I guess, you felt like a one day butterfly having a bad day.

[@maxflight777]

it didn’t fail