The Highs & Lows of Leagues 5 Ft. Doubleshine

[@steeveewuzzheer1992]

Cant wait for the Scritic and Doubleshine video covering Leagues 6: Twisted League 2 Retwisted featuring Kourend and a fully fleshed Varlamore!

[@InspireAchievements]

Don’t forget Sailing!

[@dysae4484]

Sailing wont be ready by next league, unless they rush it out ​@InspireAchievements

[@NexGenHiphop20]

Imagine if they did a Tileman or a HC league lmao

[@WhateverNameIsStillAvailable]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing! I did pick Varlamore on my second account but I didn't really deepdive it. I mostly did Vardorvis, the Coloseum and hunter rumours but the rest was just a quick brush over. Haven't even done Huey yet lol. Same for Kourend on my first account: I loved CM CoX but I don't remember much of anything else. Dhin's speccing in the Catacombs was fun too.

[@philip1065]

As someone who works full time and has 3 kids and a wife, i appreciated the velocity with which we could progress, this is my first time ever (including multiple years main game) ill be maxed

[@ResponsiveWall9]

Worst part of Kandarin, was that they Auto completed the "Hand in the sand" Achivement diary step. But didnt' make it so that one could use the Yanille runestore, without having completed the quest. Ruined the Early Mage

[@nameunavailable-gp3ot]

Ye was killer getting a hold of bloods and souls edit hell everything but deaths n chaos

[@DelPlays]

I think lot of people are misunderstanding the ranged T6.. It's not supposed to be fun, it's not supposed to be engaging gear progression.. It's supposed to turn "PvM" into "skilling", and if you're into skilling you'll love T6 ranged since you just get your strongest weapon, slap some tank / prayer armor on and just go do stuff. You don't worry about where the best items are from, you just simply go do anything that you have a task for and it will be done. I do fully agree that gear progression on my melee alt for leagues has been more engaging.. But I don't play leagues for gear progression, I play main game for gear progression. And I don't want to be missing my league items after they are gone, so in other words T6 is just to blaze through the leagues.. Be super efficient anywhere you go and then be just done with it and move on to something else once you're done. It's a temporary build for temporary game mode. Meant to trivialize content so you just get to see it and move on. Ranged T6 is the "Absolute Unit"-relic of this league. It's not for everyone, but those who seek the easy way out and prefer to care more about the main game than leagues, it's the perfect pick when you just want to do bit of mindless grinding for couple weeks. Also T6 ranged is perfect for people who feel intimidated by long and difficult content such as inferno or solo raiding.. You can destroy so many mental barriers about that content by actually just going there and knowing that you can't miss single attack and you can just focus on survival instead of constant gear switching for optimal DPS. Which means it'll be easier to actually go there in main game, since now you have seen that content. The "fear of struggle" can be insane wall for a lot of people to the point where they don't want to even try content in the first place, unless they have already been there in some form even if it was extremely game breaking form.

[@juice6521]

T6 ranged does have a lot of options depending on the encounter. I was consistently swapping between like 5 weapons.

[@Chrispitos]

Tbh I’d love to have kandarin first and having misthalin/karamja being a region you can pick as one of your 3

[@duckwings4927]

The content we've been getting this leagues so far is really cool! And these video's added to the hype before leagues (for me personally). Normally, getting through an hour long video or even longer is rough, but when I was 1 hour in, it felt it had just started. You guys do this really good, letting eachother talk and wait until the other one is done speaking, it sounds simple but it adds a lot and makes it so nice to listen to. About mage, I think mage isn't worse than last league by itself. I think the Berserk relic carried mage last league. Still: Berserk Mage was the most fun build i've played in leagues so far, so maybe that's why mage feels extra bad this time around.

[@StretchyMCAU]

my argument for recall is it is still massively improving your gameplay over the main game and opens up some niche options for early content just completely supply free, the only time you're not benefiting at all from recall when you would be from banker is inside instances like raids and inferno.. and like you said the only time that really comes into consideration is if you're doing that content "too early", once you've got some decent gear and your t6 mastery most things become trivial. sote maze skip was a small hurdle at first but just had to bring a couple karambwans for the combo eat and its sweet

[@jonathanpicard7670]

Because of the echo variant, the normal thermy is also instanced in league and you have to flinch it the whole way if no mages, cant tp out.

[@MrCarrot14]

You can also total recall to the power station at the Dorgesh-Kaan agility course. Again with dodgy deals agility is done underwater, but yeah.

[@Raizearche]

One thing I found useful with underwater agility/thieving is not that its just a hyper efficient training method for agility as a standalone activity. With banker's note, I just grabbed my 1 mil maple logs from pocket kingdom and stood in an air bubble training my fletching, and if a chest or clam spawned within a reasonable distance from me I'd detour to the chest. It was decently afk fletching and a pretty sizeable amount of agility at once. If you don't have Asgarnia for flippers especially, I dont think it was worth trying to chase every chest in the activity. I didnt do any more brimhaven than I needed to but I imagine that would be comparable and doesnt require dodgy deals to be effective. But for what it was I got a lot more out of it than I expected at first.

[@rocker796]

Good chemistry between you both, keep this going

[@cheezemansam9567]

I picked Equilibrium and I do not regret not taking Golden God at all. However, what I *do* regret is not taking Reloaded->Forager instead, I would have rather had the less experience in exchange for having free infinite Prayer pots.

[@GuyN0ir]

I took forager on my second account and it was amazing having a thousand prayer pots and super restores. I've never once used an altar

[@mikehudgins8545]

I like that they make you did sins of the father bc of the massive xp you get. I waited for x16 so that I could sync it max. Loved building up to that.

[@terbin4487]

I reached dragon late last week and about half way thru I started a melee account for the memes. I took regions I had avoided on my main, ending up doing mori, wildy, asgarnia. Wildy has been such a massive rush of dopamine every day I’ve played in it, so many 200 point tasks for doing like nothing. I never would have seen myself take wildy but I can see it being something I take on an alt again for the fun of it. khopesh was such a blast!

[@g.waits4gainz205]

cheeeeeeeeeeeeesr

[@iWearCapesIRL]

As someone who got dragon cup last night, I definitely disagree you have to get a bunch of 50m tasks done. The only ones I got 50m in were the skills I picked relics for. So I got mage, hit points, defense, slayer, and cooking 50m and that was it. I didn’t even get prayer (Golden God) or Fishing (Animal Wrangler) 50m

[@colekoger]

Yup agree with this just got dragon too. Didnt bother with the majority of skills past 99 or alot of the high kc boss tasks either

[@majortiergamerelite294]

Very true

[@VGInterviews]

Really? Cuz im at 43k and thats with already a bunch of 50m

[@sporadicdev]

100% agree. couple 25m i think cooking and slayer cause of relic. i went for alot of the boss rng task like nightmare and corp and a few ca's. but i understand if you're not decent at pvm you might need to skill more

[@iWearCapesIRL]

@@sporadicdev yeah i will say i did a lot of pvm but shyed away from the 300 kc tasks (or like 150 each dk who wants to do that)

[@DelPlays]

Underwater agility with dodgy deals is between 2-4mil per hour (maybe more with flippers), but it's heavily RNG dependent if you get the chests/clams moving close to you or not. Which is why it's best done with a secondary grind that you can do from your inventory (especially with banker's note) But if you are doing it incorrectly or just get bad luck for a while with the chests, then the exp per hour can be much lower. I've done it twice now to 99 agility (with 16x exp) and both times I had way above 2mil per hour average in the end with secondary skills being above 1 mil per hour. Even with 12x exp it feels pretty good to get over 1 mil per hour really early on, but agility isn't that important so I'd still recommend waiting until 16x

[@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m]

Can confirm, was getting around 4m xp/hr post-99 to 35m w/o flippers, people just gotta use the puffers.

[@RentaEric]

Great video chads. love the reflection!

[@NanoBudgie]

We need to introduce typless weps in main game from future raids or something. So much fun

[@colbr06]

You should be able to complete every diary task when you pick a region. There is no excuse for some being region locked.

[@bradleyhicks6914]

I'm still pulling a for a group league's. I feel they opened up the opportunity when they reworked how dragon cup worked last year and would be super fun

[@WhateverNameIsStillAvailable]

Why are you guys complaining so much about Sins of the Father? There is no way I could have gotten my range level up to 85 so quickly without that quest. Did I hate the quest? Yes. But the lamps are so worth doing it and it's only an hour. I would have hated training at Scurrius way more.

[@wanderer2645]

I definitely think to keep leagues fun they should switch up the starting regions next time, maybe Kandarin like you said or maybe Varlamore.

[@quaweds]

The last few thousand points for the dragon tier do start to get stale, but to be fair, 1. If it wasn't a little hard to get/grind, then the achievement wouldn't feel as good to complete. 2. It's also a good indicator that you've completed your league's journey, and now you can go back to the regular game.

[@Zeroyue622]

Here's my rant for Kandarin. Sherlock still didn't fix after 5 weeks Can't use the rune shop Can't buy cannon Can't assigned Bloodveld, even Wilderness can get assigned Bloodveld. Elemental system sucks, not just doesn't have that much targets, the way that t6 mage relic works it calculate the max hit before elemental weakness so it can't even help you one shot mobs Not only we don't get myth's guild, but we don't even get Legend's guild??? Charging my skill necklace would break the game I guess!

[@Zeroyue622]

Also I did like a lot more kc on Thermonuclear smoke devil for the Ancient staff (which is not boosted) so I can auto cast ancient from grimoire. BUT I can't use it because we auto complete dt2 not dt1. I guess they afraid Kandarin can get mage cape for free swap to Ancient.

[@Tbomb45]

Great talk. A video similar to this once leagues 5 is over would be cool. Compare answers from then and now. Would like to see what you guys do post league

[@InspireAchievements]

I’ve been playing to play and I’m loving it for it being my first Leagues. I clearly go for tasks but it’s not my be all end all. I would just like to mark off a few more 99s and get some good gear I’ve never attempted in main game. It’s very nice to learn mechanics to new and old content I’ve never done, let alone seen in my years of playing.

[@kyellison9295]

This was my second year playing Leagues, and my first time obtaining Dragon Cup! I owe a big part of my enjoyment this league to you and @doubleshine. I was having fun all the way until about 55K points, and then it felt super grindy. Lots of RNG-based points just didn't happen for me. Cheers and I hope you both keep these videos coming!

[@mushroom8759]

With flippers, the underwater agility is dropping millions of xp an hour for what it is worth

[@JonTheGamerGuru]

I am ABSOLUTELY looking forward to the Leagues to main game video!

[@WhateverNameIsStillAvailable]

I think this league felt so sped up so much because they hardly restricted anything. I could get a perfect set up for both maxing and combat with 3 regions and my relics. I didn't feel restricted and it didn't feel like I had any hard choices to make.

[@WhatsCheeze]

I would love for next years League's theme to be "Corrupted Memories." The worst part about League year on year is doing the same quests over and over again with nothing changing.. Let's take the idea of echo bosses and make echo QUEST bosses completely reimagined. Make the quests different with different quest rewards, like take Dragon Slayer with a reward being a Dragon Square with dragonflame protection (a nice step on the way to Echo KBD for the KBD Shield) for example. Corrupted Memory King Roald about to become the hardest boss in OSRS ever.

[@pallettown3358]

So I will say my argument for corner cutter is still the boots. I took dodgy deals, then reloaded and CC. My initial goal was always to max. Which I did. And I know underwater agility is pretty fast, but I passively got to 95 agility without ever training it just with the boots before I decided to go and finish maxing. That was a pretty nice feeling, and I honestly don’t regret it

[@dennishill4730]

went 5/5/0. 100% satisifed with the build. got full torva and experience the power of a melee setup, also got full masori and did not have my experience ruined by the fact that t6 range breaks the progression of the game

[@ModusTrollens91]

I did solo normal TOB which ended up with good purple chance and fun to learn nylos.

[@L3tha1ity]

My first thought with bankers note was how it would make my skilling so much easier. I figured bankers note would get me 50m skills faster than recall where it would only help me in pvm

[@kell7689]

The big low for me was how underwhelming Melee felt until Zombie Axe. That felt like a dark age and kinda killed my mood, made me feel regret. That was a false alarm though, since max Melee does feel quite good, but IMO the early bits of Leagues are the most fun for the majority of players. And this is a general criticism, but I really wish there was some sort of burnout prevention or system to help keep friends synced up. I have maybe 4 friends who love to grind Leagues, but the first 2 weeks were sloppy; some of us had to work, some had vacation, some progressed insanely fast, some too slow, etc. We got out of sync very quickly just because of life, and our group ended up quitting early because of it. The hectic feeling of Leagues being a race is fun, but it wears out very fast. Part of me wishes there was some way to kind of slow down the start of leagues to let everyone ramp up, kind of like a hot-lap at a car race. I know this is a direct counter to how content creators want to play, but for semi-casual it can be hit or miss. Anyways, just my feelings. Maybe a GIM League could be a fun idea.

[@kell7689]

The highs for me was getting to learn ToB, Inferno, and most importantly, mobile. I was so turned off by mobile ever since it came out. Felt so unnatural. This Leagues forced me to use it to keep the pace with friends and I now feel comfortable enough with it to progress my main. Feels good.

[@yesbop7250]

the dodgy deal agil xp/hr is higher btw because people dont know how to run underwater without flippers

[@adamrice6631]

Pretty bad take about Dragon cup requiring 50m skills. I am like 2k points from dragon and am not even maxed, or base 95s, and I only have 2 non-combat 50m skills. Just like engage the content over 6 weeks and you are almost guaranteed dragon with the static total required

[@NoBreadForYou]

I ended up about 2-3k points off dragon before deciding it would be both easier and faster to full afk combats to 50m and then knock out some easy skills. Only remaining tasks were mostly repetitive boring boss kcs, drops that were too rare, and miscellaneous ones that rewarded far too few points for the time investment. You could definitely hit dragon without but it becomes a question of "would I rather spend 20 hours or 80 hours getting these last few thousand points?"

[@adamrice6631]

@@NoBreadForYoudude you could go 0 to 60k in less than 80 hours lol what on earth are you doing??

[@kenshin1368]

Melee is always the most flexible because rs has always favored melee and quite literally has 3-4x the amount of meaningful armor/weapons even excluding echo items.

[@terbin4487]

Kandarin needs to be made a free region next league or split into its neighbors. Catherby and cammy to asgarnia, barb assault, waterfall dungeon to Fremmy, everything else to elf land Western provinces diaries should either be auto completed or not be made points. A dairy should not be incompletable Becuase you didn’t take the right regions.

[@VinticoreGaming]

I loved having Mory, my first time doing ToB and the power of slayer master and the slayer helm, pwhooo! I will however say, 100% agree on the gargoyle echo boss, their implementation, the gloves feeling meh since you need your styles barrows set (I got really bad luck at barrows, so mory echo item did basically nothing for me, Perilous moons was what gave me my midgame equipment instead).

[@quaweds]

A note on the combat masteries for me is I found 10 points odd. As a meleer I went 6 melee 3 range then just had 1 point left over. To this day I still have a spare point just sitting there which I haven't used. Felt a bit weird.

[@WhateverNameIsStillAvailable]

Ranged had some diversity though. Darts/knives were great early but later on I had DH crossbow for mage hand at CoX, afking at rune dragons, and Vorkath, I had ZCB for ruby specs, Tbow as my main weapon obviously but also venator bow for the Whisper, Fight caves and the Inferno. And dragon darts remained relevant at specific places such as Rex or low level mobs. But I totally feel Doubleshine on the range gear. It's just full Void and that's max damage for you. Nothing else is relevant anymore.

[@SirChronik]

the problem for me this league was that i took Morytania as my first region unlock and me and my group of friends did HMToB really early and unlocked really powerful gear even before i unlocked any of the other regions and after that all other early-mid and even lategame content that i unlocked in other regions felt like a "must" thing to do just to get points to unlock the rest of my relics, i didnt get the feeling of progression and this was my own fault for picking morytania as my first region, looking back at it now i should've picked it last to get the most fun progression out of this league

[@ScriticRS]

This is what I was getting at when talking about the "bigger symptom" of leagues 5 being that huge XP and drop multipliers were moved so far forward that by the time you're really digging into the content of your regions, you've already progressed beyond the point of finding any value from that content. Makes those tasks feel more like an obligation than something you're benefitting from in any other way. Of course, you can't apply that to EVERY task but slowing down the progression somewhat may have helped. Either way, I agree with you

[@Lollaksyotuube]

Total Recall was so great, best relic for me.

[@slayer100141]

Just hit dragon cup this night. As a Total recaller without defending it for the 100th time, I really do think it comes down to Bankers note being a jack of all trades relic and Total recall being a specialized relic. In that in most parts of the game BN will give you a good benefit but in very specific niche areas Total recall will just destroy BN. For instance i am not in anyway good at Vardovis, but I got a 14 second PB and most of my other kills were averaging about 30 seconds with Khopesh I spec him twice he dies I loot and then tele back with full hp prayer and spec. BN for most players is probably the better relic, but there are builds that Total Recall is most likely the best option. The conversation about tier 7 was interesting to me, because I took Forager in tier 2 and thus never was hard pressed for herbs and since I also went Wildy and Varlamore my secondary situation was solved, I actually didn't really touch farming for the first 1.5 - 2 weeks and then I did tree runs till 99 and to 35m xp where I stopped. But Doubleshine's complaint about kingdom not having higher lvl resources is why I personally never even thought about taking that even when it was announced it is the same resources you get from base kingdom just sped up. Your feeling on Ranged not feeling that fun to play is a spot on assessment I think, it really is just so OP so early on that it becomes boring to use. While I have mainly used the Khopesh and Ward, there have been times where I have used the blood moon weapon with its set effect and the Ursine Chainmace instead just to change things up, and it didn't feel bad to not be using the echo items. I do think this has been the best League as well, and my hope for next League; since they have said that region locking is something they think is part of what makes leagues, leagues. Is different base/starting regions.....Imho really should have happened this League. And more but smaller region unlocks for instance you could the Area around Ardy or Seers village for instance if you wanted some Kandarin action, but not have to unlock all of the gnome area, or feldip hills. So maybe instead of 3 Unlocks it is a total of 15 unlocks in which every region unlock gives you 5 region points to use. So example, first unlock you choose, Lunar isle, Ardy, Falador, Hosiduis, Nardah. Next time you choose another 5 and so on. This way you can get more variance in what you want. Myabe you do want some of what Kandarin has to offer, but you don't want to touch Kraken or BA. Maybe you enjoy TOB like doubleshine but don't want to touch some of the other content in Morytania.

[@GuyN0ir]

Ya tbh total recall really shines with specific builds, but otherwise bank note is just miles better for almost any situation or activity. Recall definitely seemed really fun if you went spec relic with a weapon to take advantage

[@WhateverNameIsStillAvailable]

I feel like magic should have gotten a different T2 relic and T5 and T3 should just give 50% attack speed right away. The devil's element should have given like +10% magic strength to bridge the gap to Tumeken and its effect should apply to all combat spells: so more healing for blood spells, longer freezes, more elemental damage, more demonic damage, more potent weakening spells etc.

[@kenshin1368]

Completely criminal that the devils element didn't add any elemental weakness or was an ammo slot. 0 reason for it to be a shield.

[@CR4T3Z]

Great video! Honestly, I'd be lucky if I could even reach Rune Trophy. There is so much to this game and the combat achievements are too difficult for me atm. The CG enchanted seed not dropping ruined my chances the hardest, (287KC, nothing...)

[@TheIronLords97]

Not many talk about it but T6 Mage had a really terrible relationship with mage. It lets you max hit if the target has less health than your max hit, but the problem is two-fold 1. This max hit is not boosted by the earlier tiers that provide a higher max hit. It rolls off your "normal" max hit, so you end up only killing off creatures around 30hp 2. The travel time of spells isnt accounted for so when the target is under your max hit, it doesnt register that until at least 2 attacks later

[@mssdupdd57]

Magic build with Morty Zeah and Fremmy is the most fun build by far but I could be in the minority.

[@GuyN0ir]

I went wildy > zeah > fremmy on my alt as magic and it's been fun. Only issue is it's much harder to get a voucher from cms than hmt or toa. Managed it on 31 cm kc and suddenly everything became much, much better. If you go dry on shadow as mage then there is nothing else that really comes close in damage to what a shadow can do, and that part kind of sucks. I was using accursed sceptre since I was unlucky on getting wrath runes from rune drags, and webweaver bow was actually more dps in some places like hydra with my t3 ranged mastery than any t6 magic option without shadow.

[@StretchyMCAU]

ive been magic every year. I went mory zeah fremmy early game was borderline insufferable it felt like I was weaker than in the main game lmaoo, but later when I finished my blood bark armor and unlocked grimoire for ancients, the few places magic did hit I was invincible, and the hespori trumpet was pretty damn accurate it was pretty much my bread and butter everywhere until I unlocked the shadow and now everything just falls over.

[@yorch802]

the worst relics are not taking the clue teleport thing in my opinion

[@robertbaker7860]

As a first time Leagues player. I really wanted to get the rune trophy. Then I realized I dont have people to do end-game content with, so im stuck just before adamant right now. Oh, and Barrows is driving me mad, missing one piece from each set

[@mortalmonke8844]

thats the wall i hit, mathed out the rewards i want and will be satisfied with 35k points

[@mobiusstorm9768]

There are a lot of 'easy' points in group content like ToB, but rune is definitely doable solo. It might be relic and region dependent, but the only non-solo content I've gotten points from is Nex and I'm about to hit rune rank tonight.

[@robertbaker7860]

@mobiusstorm9768 i have zeah, mori, and fremnic. Mostly, my goal was practicing content. Stuff I dont have the levels for yet in the main game. My main issue has just been rng with loot drops being either near next to none or being duplicates. Everything else is mostly the mediocre grinds (farming for me) or end-game stuff (raids and nightmare)

[@mortalmonke8844]

@@robertbaker7860 cox has been a wall for me, chugging karambawan for 40 minutes to get some herbs isnt real fun

[@mobiusstorm9768]

@robertbaker7860 hmm... yeah those regions sound like they might be a little lacking in the midgame for pvm, especially if you struggle with rng at Barrows. I went Mory, Wildy Asgarnia and Wildy was surprisingly helpful in getting me to endgame pvm

[@mobiusstorm9768]

On the total recall vs banker's note debate, melee specialist builds 100% prefer recall. I'm biased as a melee specialist, but I also feel like in most pvm cases recall is better with the exception being raids. But, a specialist build in raids basically negates the need for banker's note because either the boss dies or you do before you dig too deep into your inventory. I'm bad at pvm and that's basically my experience, I've never made raid mistakes that could have been saved by banker's note.

[@silverkoffee]

If the element was equiped to the ammo slot it would have been good lol

[@trubluegaming6279]

Not me over here forcing myself to pick Varla to LEARN coll so I can go do it on main after leagues LOL

[@magawengway]

I think having the Combat xp multiplier cap at 32x was way too much, I think having it be at 24x would have been fast enough

[@usalscorner]

I went mage last year after doing range every year before... In the end I regretted it. Went back to range and would have even if it wasn't so over powered. I just have more fun at leagues with range.... I also took the Slayer relic this year as I've not every other time and later regretted it. I should have learned in Twisted when I didn't and my first slayer task was blue dragons. It was almost 4 weeks in before I had the gear and stats to get it done....

[@jake9107]

4 weeks and i still havent seen my kids 🎉🎉🎉

[@lukedcmax]

Oof that hits home, unlike me 😂

[@jeanbob1481]

yeah I remember you the guy on reddit lying to his wife about going on a work related travel trip only for her to find out you were lying and she being disappointed that you did not go there to bang your mistress but to play leagues. Have a good one.

[@matt9340t]

Total Recall at abby sire is fun

[@socialanarchy7682]

completly with doubleshine on having to rely on a team for tob killing mory. last year i had to do it with it also being the least picked raid (i think.) went desert this time because i felt i could actually solo toa

[@ScriticRS]

I think I mentioned this in the buildup and was "softly" shut down by many people saying finding a team to run ToB with "isn't difficult". Sure if you don't mind excessive deaths reducing your chances at a purple, that's true but hopefully it's remembered for group reliant raids next year and onwards

[@YewJackOSRS]

Ok. Before I watch -- Mage is least fun combat style. Calling this now. I'm sure doubleshine won't agree but screeeeew mage lol. Suppose I'll edit this as I listen along: -Have yet to do wildy content (that'll be my 3rd account) but I suspect wildy will be my favorite region. Was my favorite last league. Very easy content to do. -Kandarin has to be the least favorite for me. I thought it would be alright. I gave it a shot. Ended up quite disappointed by its offerings. I really hope they give some love to Kandarin next year lol. (typed my least favorite before you said this so I gotta add... MY MAN SCRITIC. YEEEEEEEES. lol) -Most fun combat is for sure Melee for that variety. Range is really really strong, but you get darts/knives and you are basically done. Bit meh by comparison. Melee, there was always something to work towards and it felt meaningful. -Rip the Shadow style lol. Mage is that mid game desert. Great early. Terrible for a long time. Maybe shadow. Not quite there yet, but I hear it helps. Why I have to wait so long to get strong again though is beyond me. Feels bad. Also, can't believe my ears. Doubleshine actually agreeing with me on mage being the worst style. :P -Best relic.... my namesake makes me want to say Lumberjack, but I can't in good faith say that. Clue Compass. Teleport to the next clue step is great. I really appreciated this being available so I didn't have to take a clue relic to stomach clues. I've never enjoyed having to sacrifice another choice to be able to complete clues so this really helped me a lot. -Worst..... It's gotta be corner cutter. Poor thing. Dodgy Deals did it's job with underwater agility this year. A lot of the larger agility lap tasks got cut down this year too, so it really suffered in terms of value.

[@ScriticRS]

Very similar opinions on those! I feel like some of the ideas behind both the Magic mastery tree & echo item were made in good faith to give magic that same "flexible" feel as Melee but just falls short of something potentially fun. Kandabin never stood a chance though :(

[@YewJackOSRS]

@ScriticRS Rip Kandarin. 💔

[@Adventrix-San]

I hate having Karamja every league honestly lol

[@RentaEric]

equalibrium is what i choose for late game progression. sadly i regret it and wish i choose Golden God. Simply for the EZ points and fast 99's. i only played for less then a week then was busy. so if i had more time equalibrium. less time golden god.

[@ahobbo6401]

guthans triviliazed everything

[@silverkoffee]

I think i make like 2 mil agility per hour doing under water no flippers. Still didnt want to do it much lol

[@raizerker]

Trailblazer formula is ultimately flawed and will make Leagues die. They said thats what they wanted to do for every league going forward, that would be the biggest mistake.

[@tyyw10]

I feel like I have to disagree with slowing the progression down. For people that don’t have all that time to play this game mode is still extremely slow. I feel like it could be faster especially in the point category.

[@plantseeker5829]

Underwater agility with dd was super easy agility

[@DakotaParker-q5p]

why did bowfa get completely neglected when talkign about range

[@--Dan-]

It makes sense that the people who picked mage through randomizers, or on 3rd accounts with leftover regions, or on accounts they only have couple days playtime on before stopping, had a significantly worse experience than those who mained mage. But still it's just a bit annoying to hear those content creators when there was a good way to progress mage, just none of you took it.

[@daniel69]

I love you both the same

[@jonathanpicard7670]

And no, sunlight spear gorrilla isnt all that good because of the prayer balance you have to get

[@kenshin1368]

Got shit on every pre-leagues video for hyping up Varlamore and shitting on Zeah. Zeah has never been a good early region or a great one unless you like Chambers. It has quite literally the worst upgrades for every single style until you get to echo/raids. Also gives you annoying grinds that don't help with much like Sarachnis, Hydra, Aerial, and farming contracts (could be great if you don't have many seeds/overgrown).

[@Phennom]

Bankers note + bank heist vs golden god + total recall/clue compass needs to be the the tier 3 relic choice.

[@TerryOnVinyl]

Kandarin ruined my life

[@Wasabicrackerscape]

what game is this

[@anonymouspanda8300]

I’ve always been a huge fan and supporter of DoubleShine, but his hard takes of loving Equilibrium, as well as him being kinda rude to his chat had made me lean more towards Scritic who seems more kind and friendly all the time.

[@juice6521]

Dragon is like 5000 points from being a fun achievable goal. When you're at the last 1-2k it becomes a real miserable slog, especially if you don't have stuff like the clue relic.

[@dysae4484]

Melee and mage t6 did not feel good as t6s, range was too powerful if there were 10 tiers it would be tier 10.

[@Aprici6892]

Died to colosseum wave 9 the first try then wave 11 the second try, decided I just didn't feel like spending more time there. Absolutely hate wave based content.

[@uuhamm]

Picked two raid regions this year and majorly regretted it. Kourend and Morytania. No way I am getting dragon cup.

[@jeanbob1481]

I'm done with Zeah picked it this league and last league and also done with Tirannw picked it this league. Varlamore was OK very good combat xp with sulphur naga and last stand for afk. Hated rumors because I just got done last month 99 hunter on my uim with rumors, yeah I ain't touching varlamore next league got pretty fatigued with it. I did not pick Morytania this year but I heard you had to do a lot of quests this time around, this can sucks badly for some. Glad Zeah had pretty much all the quests done this league. I am surprised how much Kandarin sucked, mods were acting like it could be a good region but in the end there was nothing special about it. Overall it is sad but I liked last league better. Pest COntrol was super fun and points felt way easier to come by. They gave us much better relics this year but much harder points to balances it. I sincerely hope next league will be different I'm getting tired of this format. The agility debate the problem is that no matter what region you pick there are tasks that requires you to actually do agility to get pts. I got to lvl 73 SOLELY through the 50 laps rooftops and the brimhaven vouchers. If I wanted to max I could just go and use dodge deal. While corner cutter I would be 99 but still have wasted time doing the rooftop tasks. It would be like picking dodgy deal but 100 % training thieving through varlamore thieving it would be a waste you gotta use your relics. The main advantage of overgrown over PK is that overgrown gives you farming xp and is afk. PK gives you infinite coal, maple, fish, seeds, herbs. I picked PK but honestly overgrown would have been better solely due to post 99 xp in farming.