SCUF VS XBOX CONTROLLER | INSTINCT PRO OR ELITE SERIES 2?

[@SHONSL]

Thank you so much for talking about how the sticks feel between these two controllers. No one else is talking about this detail, and it's so important for the micro-movements on FPS.

[@Bolsh_]

True everyone acts as if the sticks are the same between the two. I think it comes down to the materials used as the elite uses metal and has more weight to it.

[@caramelthunder1980]

19:21 Utopia. Dystopia is the opposite, where the world is terrible. Great vid! As an MNK guy, I've never thought about what really goes into why people pick different controllers.

[@ATL_Evan]

Also the scuff is $50 more but elite 3 will definitely have mouse click triggers and hopefully better sticks

[@J7shhh]

I doubt it will have mouse click triggers. The scufs is the only controller with full throw triggers and mouse click and the reason for that is the cost look at the price tag of Scuf. The triggers is the only thing it has to offer

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@J7shhh Lol, no they're not. The Flydigi controllers have had them for a while, and they're superior controllers with hall effect joysticks and triggers.

[@urthface]

Appreciate the in depth video. Usually with these you can’t help but feel the review is biased, but yours feels 100% impartial. Definitely helping me make a decision which is expensive to get wrong

[@KerLurOTurHur]

100% go elite but get one with a warrantly from a store which does on the day replacement.

[@AboveAverageCody]

I only like to speak on my own experiences, and what I like to use. Also, not afraid to recommend something that didn’t work good for me, that could for someone else! Appreciate the kind words bro 🔥

[@noahgoldowitz]

Love my Scuf, been on it for a year and some change - got it exclusively for the short throw triggers and tight sticks

[@Bokid24]

What a fantastic review 👏🏻

[@Jason_D]

I have the matte black face plate on Scuf and I don’t have any issues with slipping. But I personally prefer the Scuf over my elite 2

[@AnthonyDellarte]

Have both, agree completely with everything. But I kept using the scuff for the trigger and seemingly faster response as I only need one paddle, the jump.

[@8notes_]

Insightful video. Thanks for sharing.

[@AboveAverageCody]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ConnorCasanova]

So I’ve always played on a normal 60$ Xbox controller and I’m thinking abt buying an xbox elite controller but I’m not entirely sure on if I should. The games I normally play that would involve it would be Fortnite and Rainbow, do you think buying a elite is worth it bc I’ve heard a lot of people complain abt the stick drift and the bumpers messing up quickly

[@AboveAverageCody]

I haven’t really had too many issues with my elites, but I’d definitely get a warranty wherever you get one just in case. I will say I believe it’s worth it. Back paddles can really be life changing on faster games, Fortnite being a good example. However, you don’t need them

[@ConnorCasanova]

@ okay thank you for the help

[@ElkOnDeck]

It’s funny to hear you talk about how using one finger for 2 inputs was a bit of a mind fuck. That’s the stuff I’ve been talking about with the shift key for the elite series 2 controller. Yes it’s a bit of a hill to climb but when you have one paddle as a shift key and 3 paddles each with 2 inputs, you’ve got 6 extra inputs for your 4 paddles, and a shift key to add extra stuff for your other buttons 2. So that A,B,X,Y on the bottom so you don’t have to take your finger off the right stick is nice but when you add a couple of the arrow keys to keep you finger on the left stick as well (such as ping and scan), it just adds more options for you. I love my setup on the elite series 2 for the sheer amount of options I have for everything and I don’t think scuff can compare to it because of that.

[@ElkOnDeck]

For reference, if anyone wants to know what my setup is for halo infinite as far as controls go, they are as follows : Paddles : Top left paddle : Crouch/Reload (shifted) Top right paddle : Jump/Scan (shifted) Bottom left paddle : Ping/Swap weapons (shifted) Bottom right paddle : Shift key. All other buttons are their regular configuration but I have some additional shifted inputs that are as follows : LB : Throw grenade/Swap grenade (shifted) Up on D-Pad is shifted to Record clip Left on D-Pad is shifted to Start recording Right on D-Pad is shifted to start/stop music Down on D-Pad is shifted to Take Screenshot. I have tried a few other things as well but this is what it has been for a while. There are a few things I’d recommend not shifting, like your shoot or either of your thumbstick clicks. I personally have had some bad luck with these since those are things I’m often spamming (particularly shoot and sprint) so when I’m trying to sprint right when I’m trying to reload for example, I might do some random other thing like pull up the scoreboard… and that’s just bad. Sorry to rant. I know no one asked for any of this info. Just putting it out there in hopes that someone sees it and just maybe implements something into their gameplay too. Most people I’ve talked to haven’t even realized they elite series 2 has a shift key or what that is. I hope this helps someone.

[@AboveAverageCody]

I’ve heard people talk about the shift thing on elites, but I honestly couldn’t get behind that. 4 is enough for me, and if I wanted to have to think about something like that, I’d just go kbm. But that’s just me, personally

[@Flock13]

I got both and I agree but i actually like the scuff paddle design I look at it like I’m using less fingers

[@AboveAverageCody]

Definitely see how some people could love them! And if you do it really is the best controller of the two. For me though I need the elite paddles. All a game of pros and cons, and what your preference is!

[@brysonl8307]

So honest about both of them. I have the elite 2 but really only use jump and crouch and occasionally a reload so I may get the scuff and see how I like it. Thanks for the review man.

[@RealAycee]

Did you?

[@g.o.9513]

Yes, how is the scuf?

[@MrSonny208]

I just clicked in the video since I had both. If you play shooters like I do you need low latency. Elite series 2 is the most comfortable and feels great but the 8ms latency is a no go, if you play anything else thats it. Scuf is around 2-3ms . sometimes more but I've had the instinc pro and currently using Envision pro and is definitely better for shooters

[@itsNabez]

PowerA FUSION Pro 3 is pretty decent tbh

[@cheesecakefriend28]

Not gunna lie, I really loved mine when i had it. Mega underrated controller.

[@AboveAverageCody]

I’ve heard good things!

[@Shaun_81]

Tight sticks! Thank you, that's what I've been looking for. I returned the Elite 2 immediately because the sticks felt way loser than my standard Xbox controller. Might have to pick one of these Scuf's to try out. 👍

[@AboveAverageCody]

Oh man, if you’re looking for strictly good sticks, go scuf 10000%, my aim had never felt crispier

[@drodzdrodz909]

True the aim on the scuf feels so good. I have both. Used to be an elite controller player. Tried out scuf once and never looked back.

[@HaloFanatic0]

Anybody else use the razer chroma v2? After having so many issues and having multiple regular xbox controlles, i moved on to razer and i love the crap out of it. Plus it comes with 6 additonal buttons (4 in the back and 2 more between trigger and bumpers). Its a nice thick controller, for those who love big controllers like 360, and it feels very durable. Recommend them if anyone is looking for an alternative

[@RaidSouls]

I use razor chroma v2 and the scuf, they are amazing controllers!

[@HaloFanatic0]

@@RaidSouls it'd crazy how much better quality they are compared to Microsofts controllers. Don't have a scuff one, though they look really well

[@RaidSouls]

@@HaloFanatic0Yes, I went through three elite series 2 in one year and all got the bad RB button not responding like 90percent of the time, after like 3 to 4 months of having it . I was done with Microsoft controllers and never can go back. The scuf was expensive, but it will save me money in the long run, then consistently buying another elite or getting multiple repairs. Chroma V2 is a beast and I recommend scuf too, if your looking for another controller to play with.

[@HaloFanatic0]

@RaidSouls thanks for the recommendation. I definitely plan on getting another v2 chroma as backup but I'm definitely interested on giving scuff a try. Do they offer 6 buttons or is it still 4?

[@RaidSouls]

@@HaloFanatic0 Mine is 4, so pretty sure it’s still just 4.

[@Tragicand1]

I’m on my 3rd elite controller now. But I’m buying a scuff this week. Was gonna go with cinch custom controller but I don’t want to wait 6 months to a year for a controller

[@d.o.a767]

I saw a comment that was exactly what I looking for and is the only reason why I’ve purchased the scuf. I love elite 2, used it for 3 years but being a hardcore fps gamer, I can say that the input lag on the elite is noticeable and I wanted something of the same quality but with a better response time. I tried the FlyDigi Apex 4 and it’s great but the build quality is poor. I bought one and the top left joy stick broke less than 2 weeks of use so I got a replacement and the exact same thing happened again after 3 days. I’m hoping the scuf is gonna be the answer to my problems in regards to performance and input lag.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

The Apex 4 had a defect, hence why the left stick has been breaking for some ppl, and I'm pretty sure Flydigi admitted that. I recommend getting the Vader 4 Pro, as it's less flashy, and has many improvements over the Apex 4. It's so much cheaper, and the performance blows Scuf controllers out of the water.

[@MadClowdz]

Yeah, those back buttons stopped me from going with the Scuf...so I went with the Hypr custom build, where you get buttons and can choose the layout...takes about 2 months to get after ordering and I'm still waiting so I have no idea how it's going to perform. For now I run the Nacon Revolution X with 0% circular deadzones on the sticks, it's nice.

[@itsprod.472]

A tad bit late but how was the Nacon controller for FPS games (Apex, COD) and how’s the that Hypr been if you got it by now?

[@MadClowdz]

@@itsprod.472 Nacon worked, well, zero drift even with my settings at zero, Hypr is really nice, although I got it like 2 weeks ago, lol...

[@alfredoesper97]

try out razer's Wolverine V3 tournament editition, or pro, it has elite style paddles/buttons, scuff like triger stops, mechanical buttons, two extra bumper buttons and halleffect sticks. And to top it all out it is 1000 hz wired on pc.

[@Slink_twitch]

getting a scuff instinct pro for my birthday so exited I don't like the elite 2 back buttons since a used a pdp controller. which has the same layout but only 2 back buttons

[@Phalanx1922]

Try the turtle beach stealth ultra. I have both scuf and elite but the TB feels more responsive with a faster polling rate

[@Lewbom]

Do u know which controller has fastest response time while wired to xbox series x?

[@Everything-wo9ds]

@@LewbomGamesir G7

[@jackdetweiler3442]

Looking forward to getting a scuff! Never used an elite so I won’t miss what I don’t know lol.

[@GabrealCodm]

Honestly I do believe anyone will like whichever one they start with. Like you said it took you a few weeks to get use to the elite paddles. It could be the same with the scuf. Everyone is different and everyone's hands are different. Personally holding any controller wasn't comfortable because I have extremely long skinny fingers. I personally care more about the sticks but it's all personal preference.

[@AboveAverageCody]

Tbh I had hoped this was the case but 2 months on the scuf now and still itching to buy a new elite lol just physically don’t like the paddles as much. Actually why I ever went elite in the first place after holding friends scufs

[@CM_0912]

Great overview. Needed to upgrade from old Elite 1. Wasn't sure which way to go. Going Scuf.

[@EthanALS]

I have had the instinct pro for close to 3 years. Just recently the right bumper stopped working for a couple days then it randomly fixed itself. Now the left stick is drifting really bad and sometimes the right stick has issues. So I’m looking for a new controller now and just wondering if the elite series 2 was worth the cheaper price tag

[@davecurry5604]

U do know u can adjust the tension of the xbox controller with the tool that is in the case...

[@AboveAverageCody]

1 million percent not the same. I don’t want the stick harder to push, the one of the Scuf snaps back to center much faster. Everyone says this, but trust me, if tension could fix the problem I’d hop back on an elite.

[@pondhoppertv]

I've used an Elite 2 for years. I finally bought a Scuf instinct Pro last week. It took some getting used to but, for me, Scuf for the win... No Kontrol Freeks needed on the Scuf and the paddles are superior.

[@ascap2854]

Nothing beats the Razer Wolverine Ultimate, the two additional bumper buttons are a game changer. And by far has the best build quality.

[@AboveAverageCody]

I’ve heard a ton of good things about razer controllers, but I have one a buddy gave me and the paddle position is actually awful, didn’t even want to give it a try. And it’s feels significantly less solid than either the elite or the scuf (again, didn’t use it, as it didn’t seem viable for how I play)

[@Flock13]

⁠@@AboveAverageCodyI’m with you on this been wanting to try but the paddle placement is trash from what I keep hearing

[@RaidSouls]

@@AboveAverageCodyrazer chroma v2 is a beast for competitive play, only downside is the paddle position.

[@Javi_C]

Happy New Year Cody!

[@pinetree7296]

Do the FPS Freek thumbs grips fit on the SCUF Pro instinct?

[@AboveAverageCody]

I have Kontrol freeks on mine and they fit just fine

[@chancethornton9211]

I came from an elite 1 to a scuff instinct pro and the scuff to me doesn’t have enough stick tension. I feel like I lost all touch in my smaller aiming adjustments. I’m returning the scuff and going with an elite 2.

[@Play1nWithFire]

I hate stiff sticks, fluid motion with a lower dead zone is much better for me

[@hifichoom]

I dont know if you will see this but hopefully you do and read it all. Love the in depth video and cant wait for more content! Love to see the pure passion to get better at the game. Now as for the Scuf Instinct Prio I wish I would have been able to like it but I just couldn't. I stuck with my Elite Series 2. I run a similar setup that you did with 4 paddles set to the face buttons. My right stick is a bit weird though, I run the tall stick with the shorter galaxy Kontrolfreek on top of it, the tension is set to the max on the right and loosest on the left. On the right I have 3 of the Kontrolfreek tension rings as well, 2 green, and a purple. You can laugh or call it crazy but my snap aim is insane it has vastly improved my sniping and headshot kills. For me doing it this way has given just the right amount of give that I need to get those snap shots. Anyway hope you had a Happy and fun New Year!

[@AboveAverageCody]

I do see it and appreciate it a lot 🩵🩵 and as always with gaming, it comes down to personal preference!! If it works, it’s for you.I find it cool to hear about people running a unique setup. Happy new years bro, and thank you for the comment 🙏🏻

[@davidcherry3571]

I use vixtrix gambit god controler , I might get scuf pro instinct purely for mouse click triggers , are the scuf paddles easy to press the boot thin with gambit take a little effort to press it still hood paddles but would prefer if they were so easy to press that they were instant are scuf paddles easy to push ?

[@spartanx1386]

Just want to say i just got an elite series 2 core controller and accidentally dropped it, and it still works perfectly fine. Seems like its durable, and i break controllers quite quickly so i think im now going to stick with elite series 2 instead of the cheap normal controllers.

[@DevMfWalker]

I'm gonna assume your gonna use your elite since I see you still have your kontrolfreeks on it

[@AboveAverageCody]

Actually been on the scuf for probably 8 months to a year now, buttons started to go on the elite and didn’t have money to run and cop another haha

[@DevMfWalker]

@@AboveAverageCody yeah I've been using the power a fusion pro . I think imma switch to a scuf soon

[@Hitman_JM]

What settings do you run on the elite 2? I’m referring to the in Xbox settings not in game

[@AboveAverageCody]

Wow I getting to this so late 😭 I have videos on all my setups and such in my controller playlist on the main screen of my channel!

[@zachbeall6810]

Elite series 2 is amazing if you want to buy a new one every 3 months. The other two are amazing if you want to buy a new one every year. Thrustmaster controller is amazing if you never want to buy another controller.

[@AboveAverageCody]

My elite 1 lasted 3 years, and still works. Elite 2 is going on 2+ years, still works. Plenty have had bad experiences, but I’m fortunate to not. Definitely a luck of the draw in terms of build quality

[@cheesecakefriend28]

I have heard horrible things about the thrustmaster. Especially the newer ones. I really wanted one but friends all told me not to. I would like something that lasts because my elite 2s don't even last me a year.

[@zachbeall6810]

@@AboveAverageCody that's pretty good. My series 2 lasted for about 3 months before the bumper broke. And 2 of my friends have had the same issue so I'm not too impressed myself.

[@zachbeall6810]

@@cheesecakefriend28 what bad things have you heard? Longevity wise, the weakest point I know of is the micro USB plugin can break off if you are not careful but that should not be an issue if you just use the cord that it comes with since it's designed to prevent that. And also just keep it plugged into the controller and little probably last 10 years. If the complaints are "it's too big". Then maybe if you have small hands. "Back buttons are too close" I think so too but after about a week or two I didn't notice any more. My fingers are always on all 4 back buttons and they are touching but it never feels cramped and I have no issue with it. "Feels weird". It definitely will feel different from other controllers but I think the sticks feel solid and after a few weeks they felt normal. Sometimes (not often) a stick will start acting up or start feeling weird for me but I can just switch it out if that happens (but will have to buy new sticks of course). I've had mine for over a year now (I have 1300 hrs in on halo so I put a lot of wear on my controllers) and don't see myself switching anytime soon.

[@kizzb39]

This video was actually really helpful microsoft got scuf beat

[@Keza_]

I’m here after major stick drift on elite 2 and an unresponsive RB :((((

[@strawbrry7881]

Bro same

[@mambo6365]

Insane to me how people keep buying the series 2. Mine had the left stick get stick drift and the entire stick module itself became loose (within 3 months of purchase), I used the warranty on it and microsoft said they serviced it and sent me back the same exact controller lol. Never again.

[@TheScantraaxx]

Probably because it’s a way better controller not even close LOL

[@akilwalker69]

Are the deadzones the same on the scuf?

[@AboveAverageCody]

How do you mean? Like in game?

[@steveklaasen7571]

nice overview. I just ordered a Elite Series 2 and my sticks are...loose. I have some space until the sticks start to react out of the box. The Scuf...it's very restrictive. I want to be able to set the keys myself. With the Elite Series 2 I can also set all Keyboard keys on each button the way I want. That's very important when PC playing a game that doesn't have much Controller support. The Scuf have only very limited ways to swap keys. From what the manuals say you can only change the additional keys to keys from your keyboard. In a perfect world I would be able to set every key the way I want. Setting A with Mouse 1 and B with Space. Why? Because the game I play demands it. The Elite is here clearly the better one. Well...and then...Scuf is very suspicious. They say the controllers are personal made. But that's a lie. The controllers are mass produced and the only pieces are changed are the ones a user can exchange himself. It's Scufs cheap way to undermine basic customer rights. And that is what I have read about Scuf. When having trouble with a controller Scuf is reacting very slowly and creating troubles for the customer who got a bad product. That is also a sign that Scuf is mass producing.

[@Shotzzilla]

Good info on yt I’m buying a scuf asap 😎lol

[@iamanobody3979]

Series 2 sucks all 3 of mine broke the rb and Lb buttons. Will never buy again

[@peppyispeppy]

Guess u got REALLY unlucky

[@cosmomorris9688]

I’m on my third one ahahha I just like the paddle placement of scuf made one like that I’d buy theirs

[@entenigelpfau]

I go for the ORIGINAL! The Series 2. To me, it is the same with Clothes - i always prefer the Original Trademarks - no COPIES! (even if they promise ... what ever!) There is only ONE Levi's Jeansjacket! ... only ONE 501! Many Copies - but just ONE ORIGINAL! If Scuf is better, why dont they release their own Gaming-Box?! Who do we have? - Nintendo - Playstation - XBox ... maybe the Scuf-Box, soon?! NO, NEVER!

[@AaronEncarnacion-kc1ye]

If elite controllers added mouse click triggers, at minimum, they would truly be the best in my opinion. leave the back pedals as is. currently most comfortable usable back buttons, in my opinion. nice review!

[@nVG_Tv]

if elite 3 has a locked 150 polling rate like 2 does.....

[@AboveAverageCody]

If the elite 3 has the triggers and sticks like the scuf I’ll buy 100

[@spezialzt]

Have both. the elite is way better for simple reasons. Charge the pad easily just by throwing it into the box. Paddles are way better. and its cheaper. both analogs are equaly good. subjective preference not taken into account. Both have at least for my hand one con, they could be a bit bigger, im not a child.

[@iampnkj7031]

I got my Xbox series X with Cyberpunk Limited edition Controller ❤❤❤

[@AboveAverageCody]

That’s gotta look sick tbh

[@iampnkj7031]

@@AboveAverageCody yaa but its officially frm Xbox purchased 2yrs ago❤️

[@g.o.9513]

Wow 🎉

[@iampnkj7031]

@@g.o.9513 thnx buddy, real rare Xbox it is!

[@ATL_Evan]

Elite 2 🔥

[@jamohldewald-jdpdxrealesta8763]

The real problem with scuff is their shitty warranty....I bought that controller and one of the back paddles almost fell out of the controller....their warranty sucks. I will never purchase that product again for that reason.

[@supaslimey4181]

Scufs are literal garbage. Thumb sticks wear out way to quick and overall build quality is just shit. Don’t get me started with their customer support either

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

ur supposed to get extra thumbsticks if u dont get those ur gonna have a bad time. they arent meant to last

[@supaslimey4181]

@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n bro I’m talking in 3 months the thumb sticks literally fall apart. For the money you spend on a scuff might as well just get an elite with warranty and get a new one every year

[@AboveAverageCody]

I will say, I’ve had a few friends have issues with the longevity of scufs, so this doesn’t shock me

[@zachbeall6810]

Every controller has that problem except thrustmaster ones.

[@pizzaplanetalien5079]

I like my scuf more than my series 2

[@AboveAverageCody]

I definitely see how someone could! That’s why I definitely recommend the scuf, unless they want 4 paddles with ease of pressing. But someone could feel more comfortable on the scuf paddles! Definitely just did my best to show people both, so they can find what works best for them

[@Romelltube]

U can tell instinct was built for your middle finger to touch all paddles

[@SuperTabbywabby]

Series 2 my thumbs go black ? Not that old either piece off 😂 so I’ve not compared to any other as yet

[@nathanbriner32]

The elite series 2 is garbage. Bumpers go out extremely fast. Thumb sticks also suck. I do love the feel of the controller though. Imo they nailed it with the back buttons. It’s a shame so many of the buttons can wear out in a short amount of time.

[@AboveAverageCody]

Absolutely, praying for this build, better durability, and better sticks for elite 3…

[@iBlueClovr]

The Scuf is way Way Way better to me

[@TheRomabull]

Just got the elite a month ago it really is elite went 47/50 in team sniper . 😊 that was record for me . 😂

[@AboveAverageCody]

Love my elite!

[@TheRomabull]

I’m Looking into scuff next or turtle beach ultra not sure if that’s any good

[@J7shhh]

Glazes scuf the whole video… so I’m going to choose the elite

[@AboveAverageCody]

? It’s a good controller, why watch videos like this then 💀

[@J7shhh]

@@AboveAverageCodyit’s the same as clarkson with Hammond fiesta and the up. But On a real the functions of the elite are great however the durability of the elite trumps it. It’s up there for the worst durability on a controller. I’ve had around 7 or 8 since they launched the series 2 in 2019 when you think about that’s absurd

[@jasonguthrie730]

Utopia - good Dystopia - bad

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Flydigi > Scuf