Sea Power | 1980's Iowa Battleship Carrier Group vs Iranian Fast Boat Swarm (Naval Battle 140)

[@Norbrookc]

Back in the 80's, someone asked the captain of the USS New Jersey what he would do if the Iranians fired a missile at his ship. His response was "I'd send the crew out to sweep the debris off the deck, and maybe send some to go over the side to touch up the paint."

[@Spendingryan]

Is that one of the battleship refits, with Phalanx CIWS and missile launchers on board?

[@Norbrookc]

@@Spendingryan Yes, it was the first of the refits.

[@zaneroskoph7460]

I’m still fond of the proposed second refit for the New Jersey: replace the aft turret and helicopter deck with a VLS field and add a V-shaped, cantilevered flight deck around it that could launch and recover Harriers. They actually have a model of it in New Jersey’s officers’ mess and it is terrifying.

[@Spendingryan]

@@zaneroskoph7460 did you see (might be wrong) I think the US Navy thought about having the F-35 take off vertically from the USS Lewis B. Puller? Its a very large supply like ship with a huge central helicopter deck, its an "Expeditionary Mobile Base" ship type, although they renamed the type a few times, the F-35 engine was too much and would have damaged or melted the helicopter deck apparently.

[@Mrdjs1133]

​@zaneroskoph7460 The issue with removing a turret is finding enough weight to counter balance that removal. Realistically, it's not worth it to replace an entire turret, especially when there's so much reserve of buoyancy in the hull already to comparably add plenty more missiles. Also, aircraft fuel is bad to have on a ship that's intended to take damage. My favorite refit idea is to take off the rest of the 5"/38s, remove the super structure between the funnels, and add a full deck of VLS there. I'd also refit the aft to have an internal hangar for helicopter and a drone-deck. Add another mast over the aft funnel, and remove/rebuild the bridge to add more officers space and ro remove the weight of the comming tower for more missile systems elsewhere. I'd then replace every 5" director with insulated sea sparrows, and I'd look into the Royal Navy's Dragonfire system theyre testing out to further augment the Iowas AA defences. I think those, and some tweaks to the hull and generators that were done to similar ships would majorly help with overall reliability. If the navy gave me a $5bil per hull budget, then I'd also look into rehulling and reshaping the bow to more modern lines to improve efficiency. Ideally, I want them to keep their speeds up without having to cut into the hull to replace the boilers outright, as that would plausibly exceed a $5bil budget. If there's money to, I'd also automate as many of the reloding functions for the 16" guns as is possible to cut down on crew costs.

[@exidy-yt]

I like how the sim engine removes effects like the 16 inch gun's blast whenever the framerate is threatened to avoid slowdown, I wish more games would do that.

[@vonsmutt4254]

Love the way the shock waves from the big guns are modeled to push the water around

[@jimmyhendrix5292]

Unfortunately, the muzzle flame and explosions are missing. Surprised that no one seems to have noticed that

[@robandcheryls]

@@jimmyhendrix5292it’s a “Intro Version” to the game.

[@xpk0228]

@@jimmyhendrix5292 well it's still early acess. the fact that it models water pressure means the guns would be more useful for sure.

[@jimmyhendrix5292]

@@xpk0228 I'm sure it's just a bug, but it looks pretty weird in the video. I thought that the explosions were happening under water at first

[@zam023]

@@jimmyhendrix5292 When viewed from Nimitz, the muzzle flames were there. When he put Iowa as the center of POV, it did not get rendered. Maybe due to their PC limitations. Just guessing.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Weapons free the units do what they need to do to get maximum boom boom on target, impressive deconfliction.

[@Rhaumar]

In 1991, during Operation Desert Storm, there was an incident where an Oliver Hazard Perry class Frigate was attacked by 3 Iraqi patrol boats. The Frigate engaged and destroyed all three, however, here is a true story that has likely never been heard. After hearing that the Frigate was engaged in what is referred to as Surface Action: Guns, the commander of USS Missouri (BB-63), Captain Albert Kaiss, requested permission to steer north from her gunnery box to engage in Surface Action: Guns, hoping to get the 16 inch and 5 inch guns involved in one of the last naval gunnery actions to date. The request was denied. I think it would be fantastic if you could recreate this engagement with just the Missouri, the OHP Frigate and the three Iraqi Patrol Craft....just to see what it would be like for the Missouri to fire upon the PCs. By the way, I served aboard the USS Missouri from March 1990 to March 1992, decommissioning her.

[@shockwavegaming5907]

I’m a simple man. I see battleship, I click.

[@3ndt1m3s]

Same!😅

[@dragondude6984]

Me too

[@paladamashkin8981]

Big badda boom

[@The_Real_Pimpaho]

Cap. I have stated a few times in your comments that the Naval Battles were always my favorite of your videos. That said, I believe you have found your new platform for this type of warfare. I really enjoyed it and hope to see more. Thank You sir

[@Blackard84]

My dad served on the 90s in the 80s/90s, so this is a REALLY cool video for me. He was on one of the 5inchers

[@dexlab7539]

Wow cool

[@Cryshalo]

Imagine how pissed you would be to be part of the gun crews on the starboard side of the Iowa away from the action. Just absolutely fuming.

[@WendussyDynamics]

Sea Power looks amazing and is perfect for the style of videos I expect to see here.

[@RoryV7]

I have said it before , but I will say it again. The detail and animation in this game is really cool. I also like how the oil slicks remain on the surface of the water after a vessel is sunk. It's a nice detail.

[@clangerbasher]

An Iowa can sling something the weight of a car 20 nautical miles and hit a target the size of a tennis court constantly. Freakin' awesome.

[@opencirclefleettrains]

I want to give you guys a huge thank you! I absolutely love your content and really appreciate all the hard work that you put into the DCS scenarios to make them work. Keep up the amazing work!

[@antarashnia84]

I love the tiniest details they included in this game with the graphics it's definitely going to make DCS step their game up

[@dobster5819]

Good video Cap, the graphics on this game are very beautiful. Many thanks.

[@luggilu7864]

Sends 11 planes with anti ship loadout against an unknown enemy, doesnt let them group up, doesnt let them fire their harpoons, refuses to elaborate further, leaves.

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

Agree

[@WimsicleStranger]

They got to fire their harpoons! Granted it was at friendlies but still 😂😂

[@exidy-yt]

I think there's still lots to learn about how to play this game effectively.

[@Unknown-r2p2o]

Any other super sonic jets besides f14

[@blademaster2390]

@@Unknown-r2p2oyes, actually. F-14s, F-15s, F-16s, A7s, F4s, F5s, MiG-23s, MiG-25s, etc.

[@eaches]

I've seen those BBs in action. It's awesome. More, Cap! This was excellent fun.

[@anotherone3340]

the Iowa and Nimitz sailing together, such a massive combo!

[@bjornnordstrom]

Boghammar Marin is very close to where I live in Lidingö, just outside Stockholm. I had no idea these small "workboats" were exported to Iran in the 80's! They were/ are/ popular workboats and commuter boats for people who have a summer house in the Stockholm archipelago (22 000 islands close to Stockholm). I checked their website and they still make similar aluminium boats as featured in this game.

[@tomriley5790]

Interesting! I've only known Boghammar as an Iraian attack boat, I assumed it was a codename, didn't realise it was an acutal Swedish manufacturer!

[@jkasiron2275]

@@tomriley5790 Same, I was hearing it as Bog-Hammer.

[@lohrtom]

The oil slicks is a nice visual touch

[@exidy-yt]

Cap this game looks so amazing already and has such potential that I would not at all mind an entire shift away from DCS to Sea Power for the GR channel. When this game is complete whoooweee! I am so getting it.

[@leonh.9651]

Yes sir!!! I love this game too

[@blademaster2390]

You’re not the only one. I discovered Sea Power around a year ago actually, through the discord server of the game Cold Waters. I’ve been looking forward to its release ever since.

[@LordBloodraven]

I got to play as an Iowa-Class battleship in World of Warships. She was a beast and shrugged off two direct hits from torpedoes. They didn't even cause flooding, the lower armor withstanding the explosions.

[@Failed101]

nice, its good to see what they can do with sea power and it should be better as sea power gets updated

[@kenc9236]

I hope you guys do more of these types of videos with Sea power.

[@Hokieredneck]

I love how both the main and secondary FCD are modeled correctly on the Iowa

[@flare242]

This game looks absolutely stunning, beautiful.

[@Slikx666]

Cap having fun is just a nice thing to hear. 😄

[@Zet0rius]

Lots of firepower. I like lots of firepower. I see great things in the future with this game. Thanks for the entertainment guys!

[@timallison8560]

i love the graphics on this new sim

[@kevinsasaki775]

Day 2 saying GR must continue!

[@Anonihmus2567]

Cruising around the south china sea in an iowa class in cold waters was super fun stoked for this game😊

[@MatthewBrownUK]

I can tell you're pleased with seapower so far!

[@anthonypacejr.4116]

I love the overall idea of this video I noticed the intruders were weapons tight hence why they flew in and were shot down try weapons free I'm sure the results will be better tks again for this video

[@anthonypacejr.4116]

Also use anti ship heavy they carry more harpoons 4 vs 2

[@anthonypacejr.4116]

I believe once the red team leader was killed the ships had no leader hence they spin if you set it up with every 2 ships has a leader, using your saved groups to multiply them to the 40 the results may change also

[@chrisstopher2277]

Have a great weekend, sir. It's awesome your playing this game. I always wondered how a customized war thunder battle would go with you in control.

[@sw40c]

Me too!

[@the_beef4762]

Sooooo excited for Sea Power

[@leonh.9651]

Me too!

[@sammysmirh3889]

Great video Cap

[@jamison884]

Thanks Cap! This game looks pretty awesome. As I was watching, it reminded me of the DCS version of this video where you were implementing the DCS-modded version of Aegis. You look at this video, where you're learning on an early release version as to how to equip and control your assets in the best way possible, and even with 1980's tech, this little CSG was arguably more deadly than the modern DCS assets in the DCS version. I guess I'd attribute that to this game/sim giving the CSG a bit more credit when it comes to targeting and piloting. Imagine how capable the modern CSG would be if you extrapolated the 1980's tech to 2020's tech. Unfortunately, I imagine this is the same scenario as DCS, where the developers feel they can only produce the desirable level of fidelity by using the equipment from an older era, where the specifications and technology are much more understood and less classified. It's fun either way, but I think most of us are also obsessed with what the latest and greatest is capable of. 😄

[@BamaCSX83]

Each 16in shell fired from an Iowa class ship weighs approximately 2700lbs, so yes, a small car. Also in the 80s the carrier should have had S-3 Vikings, which would have also been ASW capable with the Intruders and Corsair IIs.

[@Whatsinanameanyway13]

Looks good, really looking forward to this game.

[@tylerouimette2934]

The 16 inch guns are not modelled accurately. In vietnam the US Navy would use the Battleships 16 inch guns to make emergency landing zones for helicopters. 1 shell would be enough to clear out about 300feet by 300 feet of tree in a box. A near miss by a 16 inch shell would likely capsize a small boat of that size.

[@hurnn1543]

The game does nothing accurately with large armored ships.

[@meinfraulein380]

the blast when a shell hits the water is significantly less compared to solid ground

[@tylerouimette2934]

@meinfraulein380 it is sure. However a 16 inch shell sends a massive ploom of water 20+ feet in the air. A 16 inch round weighs about the same as a wolkswagen beetle. During operation hailstone at Truk Atoll In 1944 the Japanese destroyer Nowaki was straddled by 2 16 inch shells fired from Iowa and New Jeresy. Although the round missed being fired from 35 000 yards away, they fell on either side of thr destroyer. Although they didn't hit the destroyer the near miss from the 16 inch round caused massive splinter damage and casualties to the crew. The Nowaki was a Japanese destroyer nearly 400 feet long and displacing over 2500 tons and was damaged from a near miss. A small attack boat like the Iranians have would have a much worse time. Food for thought.

[@_.Glennicus._]

They aren't modeled correctly, and we may not see proper modeling within sea power for ages just due to a few factors 1. She'll reload. The guns return to reload elevation after every shot, about 4 or so seconds to lower to reload elevation from max, then reload times as fast as 14 seconds were recorded, making total time of reload at 24 to 26 seconds (calculations done using videos of the guns firing in a video one of the the 4 firing) . 2. We have the shells physics upon landing in water, as another comment mentioned, read theirs for details . 3. Armor: the All or Nothing scheme can make all the difference depending on where the missile hits, this is difficult to do as it requires armor penetration physics like other games

[@HENRISTARKS]

It is Called 16 inch AntiPersonnel shells AirBURST OVERHEAD! DUH! That's why YOU lost in Vietnam 🇻🇳 IGNORANCE of YOUR Capabilities???

[@enoy645]

YESSSSS I knew he was gonna do this game. Can’t wait till modern mods come for modern scenarios

[@shaphown]

The Iranians might have needed something to help them see the ships. I think they were doing donuts because they couldn’t see a target.

[@brucescott5387]

Saw the same behaviour in the last video with the boghammers. when the helo's in that one got close the boghammers would start doing donuts until the helo was shot down.

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

Thank you! This is good.

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

In operation praying mantis I believe the intruders flew their attacks below the level of the guns on the Iranian ships. Iranian guns couldn't point lower than horizontal so the intruder's flew between the guns and the surface of the sea.

[@steffenjespersen247]

Always sad that Battle ships never had modern ammo for their big guns. A shell that was GPS guided and exploded with like 10-20x the tungsten rounds of the popular M30A1 HIMARS used in Ukraine would be insane.

[@MrEsphoenix]

Man, I'm guessing they don't have plans for multiplayer, but it would be great for coop scenarios where each player controls one ship.

[@christopherhanton6611]

very nice video the va-35 squadron was disbanded in 1995 and va -82 in 2005

[@castlekingside76]

You could use a Battleship as close fleet defense as well. They are literally a floating defense platform. So much firepower.

[@Mrdjs1133]

I think it would be interesting to see what a proposed 2030 refit for these would look like. Theres no spare parts, and no shells or powder for them today, and the Navy doesnt even own them anymore, so its not very likely. Still... My favorite refit idea starts with taking off the rest of the 5"/38s, removing the super structure between the funnels, and adding a full deck of VLS there. I'd also refit the aft to have an internal hangar for helicopter and a drone deck. Next I'd add another mast over the aft funnel, and remove/rebuild the bridge to add more officers space and to remove the weight of the conning tower, adding more reserve buoyancy for more missile systems elsewhere. I'd keep all three turrets. I'd then replace every 5" director with insulated sea sparrows, and I'd look into the Royal Navy's Dragonfire system they're testing out to further augment the Iowas AA defences. Is also develop a cheap saboted round, and a cheap HC smart-round for accurate infantry support, and I'd borrow existing systems in the Excalibur round for land-based Mk.777 artillery to save costs. I think those and some tweaks to the hull and generators that were done to similar ships would majorly help with overall reliability. If the navy gave me a $5bil per hull budget, then I'd also look into rehulling and reshaping the bow to more modern lines to improve efficiency. Ideally, I want them to keep their speeds up without having to cut into the hull to replace the boilers outright, as that would plausibly exceed a $5bil budget. If there's money to, I'd also automate as many of the reloding functions for the 16" guns as possible to cut down on crew costs. The goal is to have the ultimate lotoral ship, that wouldnt need a fleet of escorts and would have lower operating costs, but they'd also be capable of being a flagship in a fleet, and they'd use theyr stealth-less nature to attract enemy fire away from the rest of the fleet, while being abke to defend against that AA threat.

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

Man, the 40 Boghammers were just wiped out without a prayer...

[@thornking4236]

can tell plane to go at higher altitudes so they can be safer. Click on the altitude button and get them to go up higher

[@patricktracy4371]

Thank you

[@davidlee-zw8rf]

I found that if you press x to cease fire a vessle you release it from its obligation to carry out previous orders and that will allow you to give new direction commands.

[@j41m3z]

I've got to find the "interview"/chat we did of an Iowa veteran that was involved inn an incident like this in the straits. But it involved Iranian Tomcats coming towards the Iowa if I recall correctly.

[@Yaivenov]

I hope they add fuzing options for shells. Those 16" HC shells would have been devastating with VT fuzes making them airburst over the boghammers.

[@williamcashman3655]

Don't remember the hangerbay ever being that clear of equipment, out to sea or in port.

[@ilejovcevski79]

Loved it!

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

CMDCM Uncle Bill was an AIC on the Nimitz in the 80s 😊

[@mrlodwick]

loved it.

[@conmcgrath7174]

Hugely enjoyable but I do have a question; in the unlikely event of this actually happening 'for real' would the battleship open up with it's main guns? Those Iranian boats are very small and not exactly 16 inch shell material, I do wonder if a high explosive shell would detonate on contact with the water, if they do then I imagine the sheer concussive force and kinetic energy would wreck anything within 25 yards but I just don't know. Can any savant please enlighten me?

[@tanksoldier]

Google “area effect” and get back to us. They don5 have to hit, they just have to be close…. within about 50 yards.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

@@conmcgrath7174 air burst of over one tonne of shell, ouch

[@42meep13]

TBH I feel like they would for no other reason than the captain would be over-excited by hostile surface contacts actually being foolish enough to get that close to a battleship. Wouldn't exactly have many opportunities to let the big guns smoke anything that isn't on land.

[@Spendingryan]

If they get close enough they could use the Phalanx CIWS on board the battleship

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

It's great fun but you obviously have to learn the game. Perhaps have a dev in one of your videos to give you some hands-on training. Would be a great collab and good publicity for the game.

[@erikerice9068]

You mean it's been 2 years since you ran that?😮

[@sedatedape315]

Looks like the Iranian Coast Guard got some oil spillage to clean up! 😅😅😅 At least it's not too far from shore.

[@fireraptor6670]

If I am on a boat and I see shells landing in the ocean around me and watching other boats turn into a fireball I'm either jumping overboard or turning the boat around.

[@wastelander89]

. Thank you for making more sea power. I love sea power. Its my new favorite game to watch. 👍🙂💯They need go make the iowas less fragile in this game. They had armor to handle 2500 pound shells slamming into it. Hopefully the devs give it armor. Most new ships are basically sheet metal and splinter protection. Iowas should be able to handle a few missles hitting the armor.

[@alanblumenstock7863]

I feel like the fleet would have CAP, Early Warning, and perhaps some Electorinic Warefare active at such a choke point.

[@wellimagamer8848]

Very big guns, very very cool

[@polygonvvitch]

I need this game so bad, the next two weeks can't pass slower.

[@andrewruss5824]

There should be a formation manager, maybe not if video is pre recorded it can help with setting planes to weapons free AND turning on their own radar

[@MG_Steve]

There is one, Cap just hasn't found it yet ;)

[@Omni2389]

I Won't Be Surprised If Some Of The Naval Missions That Were Done In DCS Will Be Done Here In Sea Power.

[@Duchovicius]

Such a great game😊

[@geraldaffeldt8228]

The A=6 and A-7's were armed with cluster bombs for the small ships during Praying Mantis

[@dfmrcv862]

"How many boats to crash your computer?" "Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!"

[@TinKnight]

I'd be curious if you tried this from the Opfor side, particularly with adding in neutral traffic like you'd typically see in the Straits of Hormuz (both large & small vessels), & with spreading your force out to approach from multiple vectors. You'd probably still never sink the BB nor CV, but you could wreck the support ships & render the carrier inoperable.

[@andrewruss5824]

21:05 Yes you can tell then to engage with a specific weapon, either use the grey taskbar on the bottom and then click the desired target Or do what you just did but click a target for them

[@nathand.9969]

Just a suggestion, but if you keep the A-6's over the carrier group they should still attack on weapons free without you having to move them over the bog hammers.

[@cg9952]

A7 was actually the first aircraft in US inventory w CCIP

[@KrisTheLVN]

An Iowa class finds a target, "Welcome to Toyotathon MF'er."

[@nigelmacbug6678]

suggestion is it possible to model 5" mark 45 BAE Systems’ Hypervelocity Projectile at a minimum of 1750m/s. to use as air defence ?

[@warbuzzard7167]

GowrshDANGIT that was a whole lotta SCREECHIN' EAGLE AMERICAN FREEDOM going on there!

[@Canopus44]

great video! I'm curious is a single harpoon missile or SM-1 costs more then one boghammer...lol. Pretty expensive way to sink a speedboat.

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Cool, but can you do it in a valued F-86 ?

[@lightspeedvictory]

Now that I’ve had some time to think about it, the Iowa class expending over 1,000 16 inch rounds in the final engagement in the video doesn’t make any sense at all. In engagements during the 80’s and Gulf War, they were expending far fewer projectiles in entire conflicts. For example: during Desert Storm, the USS Wisconsin (BB-64) expended 528 16 inch projectiles. And that included at least one engagement against 4 boghammer sized combatants where she expended 12 high-explosive rounds, taking out three of them (the fourth retreated). So, if one goes by that information, along with the other ordnance expended in this video and the Iowa should’ve fired less 16 inch projectiles

[@spacedoutchimp4454]

you can set aircraft altitude as well

[@nealfryling619]

Hey Cap, I can’t find you sim of f16 vs might 29s… I’m pretty sure you put them head to head…? UA current (MiG 29s) vs arriving (F-16s)…. Both head to head and compare “deep strike” potential…?

[@johnwilkinsoniv1746]

This makes me wonder if the 16 inch guns could use cluster munitions vs these smallcraft?

[@mwalker3005]

I wonder how effective a ship like the Iowa would be against a drone swarm.

[@darrellhartanto4428]

These bots are absolute nuts, but hey, PINK LOGO is the hype.

[@romakrelian]

Damn this game looks so cool.

[@doingstuffdownunder8208]

Most of these comments sound like AI.

[@Maeyanie]

Either that, or old-school copy-paste bots posting generic comments off a list.

[@clangerbasher]

Hopefully Elon will buy KZbin and clean the bots out.

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Sounds like something an A.I. would say.

[@Mepharias]

@@clangerbasher ahahaha

[@iplaygames8090]

i wonder if the bogs would have gotten closer if the planes werent launched before their detection

[@SmithandWesson22A]

Looks like a modern take on the old classic game Harpoon.

[@logic.and.reasoning]

Looked at the title, thought yup, that's a video short.... 😂

[@elementaleighteight]

Appreciate the listening skills😂

[@jsprague2453]

If you're doing ones based off movies/pop culture, could you do the final sea battle from Tomorrow Never Dies and/or the Red Sea AWACS scenario from F-22 ADF?

[@mburland]

Microprose. 80's tech. This game has the Nostalgia dial turned all the way up to 11.

[@scottsommers5994]

Hi Cap BAE are developing a new High Velocity 5 inch/155 mm shell for anti drone and anti-missile defense to add another layer of protection for ships and land bases

[@donkeysunited]

I wish someone from Microprose (or Triassic) sat in with you for your videos to give you tips and also to take your suggestions. You are a great advertisement for their new game.

[@leonh.9651]

so true man

[@Unknown-r2p2o]

Do they have any other super sonic jets besides f14?

[@nick4819]

Cap loves flying within small arms range.