Unraveling 7 Mormon Generations of Mormon Faith

[@inChristalone1960]

I am also a pioneer stock generational exmormom. My ancesters go back on both sides to Palmyra. One met Joseph. I had to leave due to King Follett Discourse gods, and many more heresies. The history is scary awful. My family wont look at the truth. It is sad. I found the Biblical Jesus . He is worth everything. Praise the Lord.❤

[@brewhaha515]

I feel your pain. It hurts when your family are not believers. 😭

[@inChristalone1960]

@@brewhaha515 Amen to that.

[@shilohauraable]

I'm in constant prayer for a much loved member of my immediate family who's decided God is a fairytale. I am so heart broken & pray that the Holy Spirit will bring him back!

[@brewhaha515]

@@shilohauraable sending my prayers your way my friend

[@inChristalone1960]

@@brewhaha515 I am also sending prayers your way. I pray too for the dear members of the lds church who have been decieved. May the Father above draw them to the true Biblical Jesus Christ who can indeed save!

[@MattTheBandGuy]

Excellent, excellent book!!! I am an ex-Mormon and can confirm the information in each chapter. I walked away from Mormonism just before the pandemic. Lots of friends and some family still remain, however. I've accepted the true Jesus,and it's so very comforting to know I don't have to make Jesus accept me through my works, because Jesus already accepted me.

[@laneweaver3775]

Love your story, brother.

[@dontmakemelaugh01]

So much easier that way....

[@ramsrnja]

What works are you referring to?

[@joenelson5819]

Amen:)

[@MattTheBandGuy]

@@ramsrnjaif you understand Mormonism you'll understand what works are required.

[@yrham8689]

What an inspiring conversation! I have a wonderful daughter in law who is a believing Mormon, while our son and granddaughter belong to a Pentecostal congregation. You have given me deeper understanding of her beliefs, and a deeper understanding of how to approach her believes without creating a wall of resistance. I love her dearly and admire her dedication to our son, but long for the day when she accepts the truth of the biblical Gospel. Again, thank you!

[@TCBkins]

Just my opinion, but if you want to have a deeper understanding of how your daughter in law understands the gospel of Christ and her relationship to him, you ought to talk to her instead of listening to a disaffected Latter-day Saint in this video. If you come from a place of respectful curiosity, I would imagine she would tell you all you wanted to know without creating any animosity. This coming from a Latter-day Saint.

[@tomyossarian7681]

Well, one of you - and possibly both of you - believe in the wrong god, try and find out which is it. 🤭

[@racealexander1660]

There's no such thing as a biblical gospel. If there was, you wouldn't have 60,000 Christian sects!

[@MaryOKC]

My husband went before the Bishops Court three times he went to court and each time he was warned about damnation if he continued on this path to leave the church. Many Mormons have never heard of Bishops Court because they’ve never thought of leaving to have your name stricken from the vault records. After he was removed from the records no longer did missionaries walk down our side of the street - they would literally cross the street rather than walk in front of our house. .and we lived in Utah. .. there is a really good book called Unveiling Grace which is about an entire family who broke free in Christ and left the Mormon church..and she was a professor at BYU. I love hearing stories of this… many are still Mormon on my husbands side of the family and one of his cousins is a Bishop in SLC. Mostly they are cordial as family… and while living in Utah I became a born again Christian. ..1985.

[@tomyossarian7681]

Lucky you, other Christians would never shun you if you left Christianity.. 🙈🙉🙊

[@xaverrogers4910]

you know its cult when they have offices.

[@MaryOKC]

@@tomyossarian7681 LOL!!! 😂 it depends right because yea I know one Christian congregation that would. .. but maybe that was your point.

[@tomyossarian7681]

Yeah, very maybe and remotely, it was my idea.. @@MaryOKC

[@inChristalone1960]

Former lds here, now born again Christian , So happy for you! Praise and glory to GOD that you got saved!! Blessings to you. I understand on a very personal level the pain and joy of leaving the lds Church.

[@sherrischroeder3217]

So exciting when an LDS member becomes a Christian. I prayed for a LDS family that I dearly love and when they told me that they left the church for the Truth of the Bible, I was beyond grateful. Best gift and news I have ever received. Praise Jesus.

[@Mmmmmk247]

@CrazyMikey4LifeGod cares and that’s all that matters. Christians don’t find value in the world, but through their creator.

[@HaleStorm49]

Same reaction people get when they come out as trans.

[@Tom-fo5ce]

How do you feel when a bible thumper becomes a mormon?

[@joenelson5819]

Amen :)

[@Dan_Gleebalz]

Uh, I hate to be that guy who points out the obvious, but members of the LDS church are Christians. It's kinda right there in the name; Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

[@patricianoel7782]

My brother and his wife, 6:38 left last month for a mission. We are of the Sarah and Orson Pratt lineage. I’m the only one who has sought truth… only 2 years ago. I’m going to buy your book since I’ve already 29 books about the history and doctrine. 😅

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

Ex Mormon here, left when I read the book of Abraham, I did not know it was a polytheist religion, also when I found out that the temple was not inspired by God but inspired by freemasonry. But the most profound reason for leaving is they do not get Christ right, Jesus is not a spirit child, He is not created, he is eternal, this is very important to me, my salvation is very important to me, had to leave.

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

Me too...My ancestor joined the Church in 1833 and knew Joseph Smith personally. He was also a member of Zion's Camp and a Utah pioneer. As President of the 1st Quorum of Seventy, he was also a General Authority. However, none of this has anything to do with me or my testimony. And even though I was raised in the Church and baptized at eight years old, I can honestly say that I am an adult convert. It's not that I'm afraid to break the chain, but worried I may not be found worthy of maintaining it.

[@xaverrogers4910]

Not affraid break chain but worried you may not be worthy maintaining it. Taken any MK mind control classes lately? Youbsiundblike Cathy Obrien 30 years ago

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

@@xaverrogers4910 If having faith and following the Lord and Savior is mind control, then may it always be so.

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

@@rugby4lifenone615 No, of course not. Whatever gave you that idea? We are living outside the Garden of Eden and alongside of Satan and his angels. How could a just God condem us for less than 20/20 eyesight, while we're surrounded by thick darkness?

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

​@@rugby4lifenone615 Yes you're right, but what I'm doing here is commenting on an anti-"Mormon" KZbin. I'm merely offering another point of view. What I'm not doing (and would never do) is produce an anti-Evangelical KZbin. In this way, I defend but never attack. I think it's harmful and maybe even dangerous to ignore anti-Mormon rhetoric.

[@janetnieves2629]

AWESOME!!! YOU LEAD HIM TO CHRIST ON HIS DEATH BED!!! GLOOOOORYYYYY!!!!!

[@grayareafaith3534]

Sean, I'm LDS and have been a fan of your channel and your work for a long time. I find it disappointing that you fall into the same box I see many evangelicals in, where you talk ABOUT LDS folks a lot, but talk TO LDS folks very little, at least in your public content. If you had an active LDS individual in this conversation you could avoid a lot of misrepresentation which occurs. For example the Book of a Mormon does not say faith and knowledge are opposed, rather the opposite, faith is the first step in coming to knowledge. (See alma 32:27-37). Progress will never be made by beating up straw men like I see often happening when Evangelicals talk about my faith. That being said, I appreciate your work and content, wish ya the best.

[@HaleStorm49]

Too much downside risk.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Mormonism has always tried to CYA its history and theology. You're strawmaning our Historical Christianity as a total Apostasy : that's so much more pathetic !

[@grayareafaith3534]

@@HaleStorm49 too much risk to let someone speak for themself instead of working for them?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@grayareafaith3534 too much risk to switch from an MSNBC model to a Joe Rogan model. It's gatekeeping masquerading as truth seeking. If someone comes and disrupts the anti Mormon narrative then the channel will get dragged the same way Dallas Jenkins did for letting Mormons help him get The Chosen off the ground. Too.much.downside.

[@DeeAnderson-oj2hr]

Joseph Smith was a false prophet. The truth will set us free.

[@AndrewFarleyIDragn]

Awesome to see you on here Cory and hear more of your story. I still remember the first time I met you over 2 decades ago

[@HarryNicNicholas]

talking gibberish back then eh, nothing changes.

[@danjohnson887]

Thank you for your ongoing ministry.

[@bliu4266]

And as an active LDS member and disciple of Jesus Christ (in training), thank you for writing this book. Hopefully this will get more Christians engaged in speaking with the missionaries.

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

Find true Christ friend, the Holy Spirit will work in you if it is Gods will.

[@jsshay01]

Please reach out to Tim Ballard. Had no idea he was LDS and his church is shutting him down.💔🙏🏼

[@valeried7210]

His organization OUR already had him resign. LDS leadership is not dumb.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

god is so loving eh? aren;t all you rleigist really lovely people who love everyone, even the people you don't love? or are you all just dog poop hypocrites? hard to tell.

[@coachmarc2002]

​@@valeried7210its funny that the LDS church covers up child sex abuse and turns around and accuses the person (who actually saves child sex abuse victims) of committing immoral behavior. We all know the word for that.

[@Number4lead]

​@@ChristianRescueit's only fitting that Mitt Romney be a member of such a deceitful church.

[@kentjarvis2292]

@@coachmarc2002Sorry, scooter. The Catholic Church is the new champ in teen trafficking

[@captainfantastic7843]

Very helpful! Thank you both!

[@purelightapologetics4930]

I just had 3 Mormon missionaries come to my door last week. I’m doing all the research I can to faithfully witness to them. I feel so unprepared.

[@awatchman-um7vy]

No amount of Biblical truth given to a mormon will mean nor change a thing. Mormons are completely spiritually dead and blind. Mormonism is the religion (cult) of the spiritually dead and blind.

[@arttyree4504]

Ecellent. I want to look at your apologetics books.

[@TheDrawingDaughter]

Sean’s face when he drops the bomb about grandpa. 😂 Priceless!

[@Lillaloppan]

Thank you so very much from Sweden🙏😊!

[@jacobsamuelson3181]

Please Please Please actually have a good representative of my Faith for once. We already know what outsiders think of us, it is important to get actual representation. Otherwise it is just bullying.

[@dudeofdixie]

There's a reason they avoid learned members

[@RobotMowerTricks]

"Doubt is not inconsistent with faith." @44:37 I used to think this was great. We want to be people who have mercy on doubters (Jude 1:22). Growing up, I did not feel my Christian circles had mercy on doubters. So I loved it when I found people who would say "Doubt is not inconsistent with faith." But some Mormons might also agree. Some anti-intellectual evangelicals will too. You can take "Doubt is not inconsistent with faith" in 2 ways. 1. Sean and Cory probably mean, you can have questions, and not be 100% certain about some things, but still have knowledge/belief/faith without certainty, and when it comes to true doubt (such as Thomas) the evidence will 'cure' the doubt. 2. What a Mormon or anti-intellectual evangelical might mean is that faith is believing without any evidence. And if you don't have evidence for something, then doubt is natural. But you need to have faith. So you muster up faith because there's no way to overcome doubt and you simply have both and there's nothing you can or should do about it. If you were to cure doubt, you would have no faith (because more evidence = less faith) There are several verses that do not work well with the second view. (John 20:27) "Stop doubting and believe." But the first view, is admittedly, a little misleading. Jesus juxtaposed belief and doubt (belief and faith are used interchangeably in the NT, Heb 11:6). I now say "Questions are not inconsistent with faith." And if I talk about "doubt" I put it in terms of "let's work towards a solution for the doubt."

[@NicholaWallace]

Interesting about their testimonies and how they use them. When I've spoken with Mormans, which isn't often, i always talk about checking something against Scripture to see if it's so. The only way to know what is truth.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

The fact is, mormons have absolute zero care for what the Bible says. They do not believe the Bible, absolutely not. They only believe the fraud and con artist joseph smith and the 100% fake garbage he wrote.

[@HaleStorm49]

The scriptures say the Holy Ghost teaches us the truth of all things. Without testimony there would be a lot less Scripture.

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

@@HaleStorm49 ,..Yes, the Holy Spirit teaches the very few who Jesus came to save all things. These few will never ever be deceived by the 100% fake manmade abomination of mormonism.

[@xaverrogers4910]

newnamenoah endowment you learn lucifer is god lds temple. yt it

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

People in chat about how mean it would be to slam the door on Mormon missionaries, and I agree. But... ..when my aunt and uncle and their children lived in Utah, they were love-bombed by Mormon neighbors etc, until the day they said they wouldn't join their church, then everyone shuned them. And I once had a Mormon friend who did the same thing to me. And our experiences were common, as far as I can tell.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

religists are really annoying, but you don't care do you, cos god loves you so much. **facepalms**

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

@HarryNicholas , rsearch shows that online aggressors score high with Dark Tetrad traits (sadism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and narcissism). FYI. In fact, for everyone's information, and I hope you seek help.

[@lynghee159]

Same experience

[@midimusicforever]

Corey made a very good choice in 1988!

[@loriforges6304]

A couple decades ago give or take, Pastor Dudley Rutherford gave us names and addresses of all the missionaries supported by then Shepherd of the Hills, now just shepherd. I got into corresponding with a man who wrote a book entitled I Love the Mormons. It was a good read.

[@xXGENDAMAGEXx]

I just had a couple missionaries at my house yesterday. They tried to keep encouraging me to read their Book even though I was clearly telling them it’s not really from God. The actual Bible is very clear on this issue. They are very kind and caring people. But they are very deceived about what they believe versus the Actual Bible.

[@rncondie]

Thanks for calling us by our correct name. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I love our Savior and I am grateful for the Atonement and the ability to repent and be forgiven of my sins.

[@Standing.W.Israel]

Your "savior" is not the same as Jesus Christ of the Bible so you cannot say "our" anything....we are not family, until you become born again and seek out the TRUE Christ- rejecting all the damnable heresies you believe in now...

[@Tom-fo5ce]

@@Standing.W.Israel Yes- put away the guy who found the gold tablets, and choose the guy who walked on the surface of the ocean instead! It's less crazy because it's an older superstition.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@Tom-fo5ce LOL 😆 I like you're superstition default position of nonintelligence creating the Universe!

[@ramsrnja]

​@@Standing.W.IsraelHow do you know that what you believe isn't a heresy? Do you believe God is one one person or entity who manifests as three different people?

[@Tom-fo5ce]

@@davidjanbaz7728 as with many religious people, you have the annoying need for words to mean what you want them to mean rather than what they do. Superstition has to do with believing in made up creatures or events to help deal with fear of the unknown. Things like ghosts, giants, and unicorns, and events like burning bushes, people walking on the surface of the ocean, water changing to wine, etc. are superstitions. A lack of a need for a supernatural being to explain the universe does not constitute superstition. On a second note, does it ever bother you that on my side of the debate are people like Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and Steven Weinberg, while on your side of the debate are people like Kenneth Copeland, Jimmy Swaggart, Joseph Smith, Mohammad and those voodoo priestesses from the Caribbean?

[@janetnieves2629]

Dr. Miller, Please agree and pray with me that my brother, his wife and children and her family will leave the LDS church. As I understand it, one of my sister's in law great grandfather's was in the group of Joseph Smith's followers that traveled across the U.S. and stood on the mountain where Joseph Smith looked out over the land and said that was the land God had given them-Utah. I will be buying your books so I can better understand the view point. Thank you!

[@heathersmeather]

Joseph was dead by the time the pioneers made it to Utah. Brigham Young stood at the place overlooking the valley.

[@TGLUK]

I'm a recently baptised member, aged 63, evangelical roots via more liberal Protestantism. I can appreciate a number of your comments and observations. I'd like to raise two minor points just for clarification. You said your grandfather nearly became a Bishop. That doesn't seem to fit how it works. It's not me wondering, should I or shouldn't I become a Bishop? You are called by the leaders above you. So I don't understand what you mean by he was almost a Bishop. Also, you said you were thrown out of the Temple by security. You wouldn't have got into the Temple without a recommend. Presumably you didn't have a Temple recommend?

[@Cuinn837]

He could have been in the visitor's center of a temple. The grandfather could have turned down a calling to be a Bishop.

[@mommykiya5024]

Great testimony❤

[@BarrettVanDyke]

I’m an active Latter-day Saint. I’m 16 minutes in, here are some take aways so far: 1. I always appreciate Sean’s fairness. It’s evident that that is a spiritual gift that he has & he is intentional about living into that. 2. Corey mentioned a few times that his grandfather was “almost” a Mormon Bishop. I’m surprised he said that because that description seems to indicate that he isn’t familiar with how the church operates. Bishop isn’t a ranking or an achievement, that one earns or qualifies for. Any adult man can receive that temporary assignment regardless of age or ability. In the modern church that calling is typically 3-6 years. He seems to be saying it to boost his credibility, but it did the opposite.

[@thetrollpatrol8799]

What do you mean? Couldn’t it be that he was almost appointed and agreed to be one but then they backed out?

[@BarrettVanDyke]

@@thetrollpatrol8799 Possible, but not likely. However, the the point I’m trying to make is that the way he is presenting it is misleading (whether it’s unintentional or intentional). The calling of a Bishop is not something that one aspires to “achieve”which is the way he seems to be presenting it. It’s a calling mostly involving pastoral care, & is very demanding. Unless the Bishop happens to be retired, the calling is in addition to having a career. Anyway, I’m not offended by it, but his critiques would hold more water in my book if there was less of that.

[@MaryOKC]

Actually, a bishop is the highest office of the Aaronic priesthood and is always held by a man who holds the office of high priest in the Melchizedek priesthood.

[@awatchman-um7vy]

The bottom line is, a mormon could not possibly be more antigod/antibible/antichrist. Mormons are the accursed of God, and are an abomination. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the God, the Jesus, the truth, the gospel, nor the Christianity of the Bible.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@BarrettVanDyke you're criticism is strange but typical coming from a Mormon actually it's a non- sequitur to the issues : A Mormon bishop is somewhat similar to what a Pastor does just without Graduate school Seminary !

[@melissahauptmeier1446]

Great interview! My sweet sister and family are still Mormon and it breaks my heart. I’m just so amazed at the “bubble” they remain in when so many Mormons are leaving, not to mention all the scandal that’s taken place in the church involving abuse and the latest with Tim Ballard. I often think if my sister had heard or read even a small fraction of what I have her faith in Mormonism would come unravel unraveled, but of course they are taught not to listen to anti Mormon material so she’s not even aware of what’s out there. But I remain hopeful that someday the Biblical Jesus will be revealed to her!!🙏🏻

[@ramsrnja]

As a member, I've read all that stuff, and it doesn't shake my testimony. There's always going to be a few bad people in any organization or people who just make mistakes. There were plenty of Jews who made mistakes, yet Jesus still said, "Salvation is of the Jews." Salvation is of the Latter-Day-Saints in the same way.

[@melissahauptmeier1446]

@@ramsrnja Salvation is from Jesus who was a Jew. Praying you will get to know the real Biblical Jesus, not the one Joseph Smith created. 🙏🏻❤️

[@ramsrnja]

@@melissahauptmeier1446 Why didn't Jesus tell her that salvation was through him only? My point still stands nonetheless. He said of the Jews, and the Jews were not all perfect.

[@dougbrown8331]

The doctrine is true it people that cause problems as we are all imperfect

[@hannajones0106]

I’m an exmormon and all I can say is this kind of talk does more to keep in the church than anything else. You can love your family members but you aren’t entitled to determine what a meaningful life looks like for them. What you’re doing has only pushed your family away.

[@drnmedia]

Great interview! Thank you Sean for this podcast. Also, great job on the audio.

[@yvonnekneeshaw2784]

Having trouble understanding subjective & objective faith. Great interview 🇨🇦❤

[@HarryNicNicholas]

just ask god, he is your "personal" god is he not? doesn't he sit next to you 24 / 7 giving advice, telling you exactly what the bible means and all that crap? or have i been lied to? does god do bugger all?

[@jsshay01]

@@HarryNicNicholasIf you know the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, believe He is the only begotten Son of God ( Jesus Christ is NOT the brother of Satan) who died for your sin on the cross and rose again, and have asked Him for forgiveness of your sin, and follow Him, then you are a Christian. There is no alternative. God has children, yes, when you ask Him for forgiveness. But He has no grandchildren. Every person must seek Him out themselves. Acts 2:38 tells us Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit”. It’s complicated but simple at the same time. And once you accept the Lord Jesus Christ, you go to Heaven the instant you die. No guessing. This isn’t at all what you’re asking, not making fun of anyone, just want all to know the truth. 🙏🏼✝️🕊️❤️😊

[@coachmarc2002]

Please don't feed the trolls.

[@coachmarc2002]

Subjective would be relying solely on your experience rather than also incorporating outside evidence and resources to help establish the truth of your faith.

[@BarrettVanDyke]

Around 26:30 Sean says that if a Mormon is saved, it will not be because of their Theology but in spite of it. What role does correct Theology play in one’s salvation?

[@awatchman-um7vy]

Sean has no idea what he is talking about and is not a Christian. All actual Christians have correct theology. Mormons are those who have absolute zero correct theology.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Then Sean told a few examples and said we're talking about a different religion here. And Joseph Smith agreed when he claimed that God supposedly told him all churches are wrong and gave him a new theology which included the blasphemous claim that GOD himself was created.

[@awatchman-um7vy]

@@biblehistoryscience3530 Everything the con artist joseph smith stated was blasphemy.

[@HaleStorm49]

1) It depends how you define salvation 2) It's not so much theology as it is ideology. This is a status argument but not a doctrinal reality. Does a guy on KZbin really get to decide who gets saved?? Yeah no. If people being Mormon poses a status threat, the logical thing to do is to tell your followers they will go to hell to discourage people from spiritually red pilling themselves.

[@BarrettVanDyke]

@@HaleStorm49 In your view, does being a Latter-day Saint prevent one from living with God after death?

[@123mneil]

I'd love to see you get a Mormon apologist on or possibly Jacob Hansen over at the Thoughtful Faith KZbin channel to talk to someone who defends a very traditional version of Mormonism. It would also be interesting for you to talk to John Dehlin at Mormon Story Podcast to talk about why so many that leave the church end up super politically left "nones".

[@kirstenharteis3613]

Sean, thank you for all your great questions, and thank you for modeling top notch listening skills. I learn more about the art of listening well and leaning in every time I watch you. Now, I present a question for you: What is your definition of "stud" ? I heard you name Dr Miller a stud tonight, and I don't think I"ve ever heard you use that word before. ( Could be wrong).As a female, perhaps we have different definitions. I'm interested in learning your definition and whether you think it is an acceptable term in both gender audiences. Thank you again for your thoughtful work.

[@mirandabenham7632]

So, I don’t think I’ve ever commented on a KZbin video but I have a question for Corey or Shawn: if I understood correctly Corey talked about how it’s a more emotionally led religion and that they might not all know the deeper theology? This has always puzzled me. I have Mormon students and they all go to Bible study at 5 am to study both the Bible and the Book of Mormon. How is it that a religion that seems more dedicated to study than most Christian’s churches I know, keep it so shallow?

[@brettpinion4233]

Why Do LDS Reject GOD of BIBLE & believe in FALSE GOD of Joseph Smith? Isn't your eternity worth examining the truth? NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. This is 3 times the # of Americans killed in the entire Civil War & Revolutionary War combined. NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple remains in Jerusalem NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not a language found in the world NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) CAN WE TRUST OUR HEARTS AS TO THE TRUTH OF THE BOOK OF MORMON since there is no evidence? D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. This is NOT how the bible tells us to determine truth. Acts 17:11 "they... EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY to see if what Paul said was TRUE"; "TEST THEM ALL" 1 Thes 5:21 The best way to spot false teachers is to examine the TRUTH of the bible. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." 1 John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world." Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" But: THE BIBLE WARNS YOU about trusting your own heart. Jeremiah 17:9 "the heart is DECEITFUL above all things". Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own heart is a FOOL." "The sum of your word is TRUTH" Psalm 119:160 Faith in a false God is of what value? Faith in the true God is invaluable. Mormonism is based on a PROVABLY FALSE claim the Bible was corrupted and "plain and precious parts" were removed by Christian translators after the apostles died. Yet, there isn’t ANY specific biblical scripture found ANYWHERE, EVER, that directly supports Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible. AN OBJECTIVE TEST OF THE BIBLE AND THE BOOK OF MORMON: The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was corrupted after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the Devil (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine both the Bible & BOM to be fair and test for errors. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling or punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of LDS members. Like Joseph Smith this was the goal of Satan, to be like God and have worshippers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See John 1:1 Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, not long after the apostle John died) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith translation: "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's version. Galatians 1:8 "Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED." Matthew 24:24 warns Satan WILL send FALSE prophets and pose as an ANGEL of light! 2 Corinthians 11:14 God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to ADD to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and ADDED you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many wives, … The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he tells us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

doesn't your "personal" god tell you these things? what do you need pastors for if god is by your side talking in your ear, even on the bog? and why you need an apologist beats me, just ask god "why did you kill all those babies and take slaves" cos sean will just lie to you and make stuff up. doesn't god talk to you direct?

[@Liketreeswalking556]

Ask them if they think God was once a man. Ask them if they think that Jesus is Satans brother. Ask them if they’re an indestructible eternal being.

[@HaleStorm49]

Valid question.

[@truthbebold4009]

Because if your starting point is that Adam fell upward, then you'll never get a handle on God's inspired word, no matter how much studying you do.

[@joenelson5819]

I wanna write a book…… ”So…..you don’t want truth.”

[@lynghee159]

Thank you both!! VERY informative! "...part of the true religion". Looks like Walter Martin had it right all along! God bless you for shedding light in some of these dark places (Mormonism for one) on our earth!

[@inChristalone1960]

@@rugby4lifenone615 Hosea 4.6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Gods Word Stands. Please , prove all things hold fast to that which is good! Your leaders tell you that you will gain a testimony by bearing it. That is simply programing. They tell you not to research. They telk you it is wrong to critisize the leaders even if they are wrong ? How can you develop your own discernment? They say they cannot lead you astray , yet they say to listen to the CURRENT leader, that HIS words take precidence over the former leaders "prophecies" . How can you stand on this shifting sand? They throw out old prophecies. Jesus said to see that you are not decieved. He said Father in Heaven is Spirit and must be worshiped in Spirit and truth. Therefore Joseph Smith coukd not have seen The Father. JESUS said there is not marraige in heaven, but that we are as the angels. Period. Why do you trust the words of men over God. Joseph made a Man made God and heaven to suit himself. Read the King Follett Discourse by Joseph Smith. Compare to Isaiah43.10, Isaiah 46.6, John 1.1-3

[@sean9854]

Wow, Corey doesn’t want anyone praying to God to know truth…just buy his book

[@kacysimper5142]

Really enjoyed this dealing w family and also trying to prevent others leaving from becoming atheists

[@HaleStorm49]

Why do so many become atheists?

[@janlillis3676]

My neighbor is a Mormon and she said I would make a really good Mormon but I said no because I do not except what they believe they believe Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and many other things that the Mormons believe, but Jesus is, my lord and savior.

[@elainekoeppel7250]

This life on this earth is what makes us go through trials and learn wisdom. And eventually become more knowledgeable and more like God. When you delay your baptism it allows Satan to come to you because you don’t have the Holy Ghost to protect you by keeping you intent closer to HIM

[@petertherock7340]

“God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls him to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family: the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.” Catechism of the Catholic Church 1, The Life of Man- To Know and Love God. 😊😊😊. Pray for us, St. Thomas Aquinas 🙏

[@caryyurk1388]

Has Corey been invited to interview with Glenn Beck?

[@wmarkfish]

Is it possible to reform LDS from within to harmonize with Christianity?

[@brettpinion4233]

not without getting rid of book of mormon Why Do LDS Reject GOD of BIBLE & believe in FALSE GOD of Joseph Smith? Isn't your eternity worth examining the truth? NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. This is 3 times the # of Americans killed in the entire Civil War & Revolutionary War combined. NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple remains in Jerusalem NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not a language found in the world NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) CAN WE TRUST OUR HEARTS AS TO THE TRUTH OF THE BOOK OF MORMON since there is no evidence? D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. This is NOT how the bible tells us to determine truth. Acts 17:11 "they... EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY to see if what Paul said was TRUE"; "TEST THEM ALL" 1 Thes 5:21 The best way to spot false teachers is to examine the TRUTH of the bible. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." 1 John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world." Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" But: THE BIBLE WARNS YOU about trusting your own heart. Jeremiah 17:9 "the heart is DECEITFUL above all things". Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own heart is a FOOL." "The sum of your word is TRUTH" Psalm 119:160 Faith in a false God is of what value? Faith in the true God is invaluable. Mormonism is based on a PROVABLY FALSE claim the Bible was corrupted and "plain and precious parts" were removed by Christian translators after the apostles died. Yet, there isn’t ANY specific biblical scripture found ANYWHERE, EVER, that directly supports Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible. AN OBJECTIVE TEST OF THE BIBLE AND THE BOOK OF MORMON: The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was corrupted after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the Devil (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine both the Bible & BOM to be fair and test for errors. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling or punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of LDS members. Like Joseph Smith this was the goal of Satan, to be like God and have worshippers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See John 1:1 Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, not long after the apostle John died) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith translation: "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's version. Galatians 1:8 "Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED." Matthew 24:24 warns Satan WILL send FALSE prophets and pose as an ANGEL of light! 2 Corinthians 11:14 God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to ADD to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and ADDED you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many wives, … The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he tells us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

[@OnTheThirdDay]

Probably not. As @bburl pointed out for a specific branch of Mormonism, the issue is their Scriptures and it is no clear way of solving the problem that they definitely disagrre with the Christian Bible. Also, historically it would mean to say that Joseph Smith was wrong in saying that all other churches were an abomination. There is just so much that needs to be discarded that it is even hard to say that, say, the book of Abraham is "good to read" when it has ideas like that God was once a man. This is something seen as extremely blasphemous by Christianity.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

yes it is, trouble is that's why religion is dying, cos you can't decide if you want to be tolerant and "nice" or bible thumping fire and brimstone nut jobs - we atheists are laffing our heads of as religions declines and the churches empty cos you can;t so ANYTHING right any more - gay christians, drag queen christians - even christians need abortions and whatever yo do you offend someone , wave bye bye to god.

[@Gregorybridgewater]

​@@ChristianRescuerLDS became Church of Christ?

[@jsshay01]

@@ChristianRescueNot according to the Bible. Be very careful. There is no other way to Heaven but to ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness.

[@karaEL19]

It wasn't until I left Mormonism, that I felt good enough that Jesus could love me for me. Jesus’s love is unconditional, not conditional depending on a life of service and isolation from the world.

[@HaleStorm49]

Most of Gods most valiant servants lived a life of service and solitude... Did they not?

[@MattTheBandGuy]

@@HaleStorm49How would you know unless you go out and interview them?

[@HaleStorm49]

@@MattTheBandGuy They wrote it down for us. We can read it.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

Corey, are the stories about Joseph stories handed down directly through journals? I have been trying to learn about Joseph and I just struggle with the idea that he was a polygamist. I watch Michelle Stone of 132 problems. She and her guests have come up with some pretty hard evidence that he fought against it. Thanks.

[@ramsrnja]

The plurality principle is meant to go both ways in the end.

[@dougbrown8331]

All one needs to know is 1 is the Book of Mormon true and if it is then you know Joseph Smith is a prophet. Then follow the gospel. All the stories and confusion and conflict about who did what or said this or that are just minutiae that causes problems that are neither here or there. Is the gospel true the end.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

Thanks.@@dougbrown8331

[@yeshalloween]

I’m 6th generation Mormon (now ex). My ancestry is as follows: Hyrum Smith (Joseph Smith’s brother) Joseph F Smith Joseph Fielding Smith My grandfather My dad Me I just took our whole family branch off of that Mormon tree. My husband, myself, and our five kids. Mormonism utterly betrayed us

[@ramsrnja]

How so?

[@cheerfulmouse]

Thank You!

[@dudeofdixie]

Listening to bitter indulgent ex mormons only proves just how powerful the truth is when people turn away. Maybe, just maybe, move on? But that would mean not feeding that hateful beast eating at your soul to attack and hate that which you left.

[@joenelson5819]

20:58 yes!!!!!

[@Yesome1]

I don't understand what's wrong, if they believe in Jesus it shouldn't matter if your pentecostal, nondenominational, Mormon or what ever branch you choose.its all branchs of one tree...right?

[@ramsrnja]

The temple policy about remarriage is a policy to promote men marrying women who have never been married, but after a woman dies, she can be sealed to every husband she has had.

[@joenelson5819]

22:51 evangelism is my favorite :)

[@godsgospelgirl]

Thank God for your salvation and your new testimony of faith in Jesus. :)

[@joenelson5819]

Ex Mormon 4 Jesus here :) PTL!!!

[@theelizabethan1]

Does the state of Utah still have the highest rate of teen suicide?

[@HaleStorm49]

Have you read the scientific literature on the link between elevation and suicide? It's certainly getting worse as the % of LDS decreases... Might be a coincidence.

[@JamesW225]

Many mormons elevate their heritage , membership , tittles , positions , and themselves accordingly. It is Christ who should be elevated. I too am an ex mormon.I found the lord that is spoken of in the bible , Not the spirit brother of satan , or the created jesus , but the eternal christ who was the word with God , and the word that was and is God. No organization of men can rise above our lord or elevate man in his stead. This is what Jesus does. Immitations fall short of what God can do .God Is the one true religion and he has given us his word ,that will not be minimized in order to promote another gospel that Paul warned us would attemp to do just that. No organization can save you , only jesus can and he does it freely and apart from institutions of self promoting men who seek power and influenceover their fellow man. This will never be stolen from Gods plan which is given to us in full through Gods word and will. One can be both sincere and scincerely wrong at the same time. Seek God , for he is the entire point and reason for everything . Give your focus to the right object and the gift of Gods simple grace will come to you.

[@aceyirl]

Cory has a profound insight in the church being like noah's ark. 00:44:00

[@ValerieGriner]

I was really nice to my Mormon missionaries and I let them ask me questions and explain their doctrine. They kept focusing on the verse from John 10:16..."And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." Jesus was referring to the Gentiles, but the missionaries took this out of context and used it differently. They wanted to hold hands with me and pray that God would give me THEIR "truth." ("Burning in the bosom, perhaps?") I answered, "the Holy Spirit has ALREADY told me that your religion and doctrine is false." I was really nice, but they were brainwashed. We prayed a short (rather generic) prayer, but we did not hold hands. They wouldn't listen to anything I tried to share from the Bible, but I wished them well and I was kind(for the first time). They go down a checklist...it starts off okay, but then they get to the part about..."do you believe that extra-Biblical REVELATION has been given to man through Joseph Smith?" I gave them a hard..."NO, I do not." Just wanted to share this real life experience. If given the same opportunity in the future, I would choose different verses and topics to discuss...now that I have studied Mormonism in depth.

[@claytonrath8033]

This was super timely... I am meeting with mormon missionaries in a few short hours haha. The testimony part was helpful. It has always irked me how subjective, and ignorant of anything but personal "experience", their testimonies are... that's exactly what I planned to ask them more about

[@HaleStorm49]

Does it bother you when Paul does it? You are describing a significant chunk of the Epistles so applying your logic consistently would present a problem.

[@benzun9600]

Jesus Christ is personal, that is why they ask you to pray and ask God if their message is true. If the BOM is indeed another witness of Jesus Christ.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@benzun9600 it's NOT: so it does NO good to pray about the BoM.

[@akswrkzvyuu7jhd]

The question I have always wanted to ask is "Why is that ne'er-do-well Mormon Jesus trying to move back onto Mom and Dad's planet?".

[@Elliebee61]

I’m an ex-more man current Born again Latter-day Saint! Jesus, Joseph Smith and The Book of Mormon are my life! Looks like the Nephite dissenters are alive and well…

[@randomvintagefilm273]

I'm not Mormon but my surname YOUNG goes back to Brigham Young's brother. When they traveled west to Utah they split company somewhere near Nebraska I think and our side stayed there. When we stopped at the Mormon Library to do some research they rolled out the red carpet for us YOUNGS 😅😅😅

[@Mgreat-o7v]

I'm a member of the LDS Church and a member of this channel, and it's so annoying when someone you like brings someone in to badmouth your faith. My experience has been marvellous as a member for over 25 years.

[@twoody9760]

Are you saying Mormonism doesn't bad mouth other faiths. The Book of Mormon in 1 Nephi 9 says "Look and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil."

[@rncondie]

@@twoody9760There is no such thing as Mormon religion. The legal and correct name is The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormon was a prophet who abridged the Book of Mormon more than 1,000 years ago.

[@twoody9760]

@@rncondie Mormons have a difficult time determining the name of their Church. The original name in 1830 was The Church of Christ. In 18344 it was changed to The Church of Latter Day Saints. In 1838 it was changed to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Also abridged means shortened by condensing or rewriting. Do you really think Mormon shortened the Book of Mormon?

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@rncondie Mormonism is you're religion: you're church name doesn't mean you're doctrines R what Christianity has taught from the Authentic Apostles.

[@Cuinn837]

By any name, the Mormon LDS church is a fraud.@@rncondie

[@joenelson5819]

16:35 😱🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@missyjosieful]

I believe there is a kind of brain washing that goes on within Mormonism, that shields its members from thinking intellectually about its illogical beliefs. God gave us cerebral abilities so that we can know Him experientially and intellectually. There is a large family-owned company that has transformed the town of Hamilton, MO into a quilter's paradise, Missouri Star Quilt Company. They are Mormons and such lovely people. I just wish someone could put stones in their shoes so that they would come to know the true Jesus!

[@ramsrnja]

Everything makes complete sense!

[@Dan_Gleebalz]

This guy either doesn't understand what a "Son of Perdition" is, or he grossly overestimates his knowledge of God and position in the church.

[@dudeofdixie]

He's using his family heritage as credentials for knowledge. You know, the exact thing he accuses members of doing. Ironic.

[@robertracker5474]

You have to remember, Corey’s grandfather was ‘almost a bishop’. His knowledge of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS is very superficial.

[@seanwilson2798]

I see 2 Nephi 25:23 used as proof that we believe in a works based salvation. I think this is wrong. If you want to say we believe in a works based salvation it would be better to point to Alma 11 where Amulek discusses the difference between being saved from our sins vs being saved in our sins. But if you call this a works based salvation then you must say the Bible teaches a works based salvation because the Bible teaches we must repent and turn away from sin. “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” We all have a responsibility upon accepting Christ to repent and follow him. We cannot truly repent and continue in our sins. This is what Amulek and the Bible teach. Repentance is not what Nephi is talking about when he says “we are saved by Grace, after all we can do.” Before we can understand this passage we need to understand Nephi and his time period. He is of the house of Israel living 600 years before Christ under the law of Moses. The rest of the chapter after that is all about the law of Moses. Vs 24 we keep the law of Moses, and look forward with steadfastness unto Christ, Vs 25 wherefore the law hath become dead unto us, and we are made alive in Christ Vs 27 Wherefore, we speak concerning the law that our children may know the deadness of the law; and they, by knowing the deadness of the law, may look forward unto that life which is in Christ, Vs 28 the right way is to believe in Christ and deny him not; for by denying him ye also deny the prophets and the law Vs 30 inasmuch as it shall be expedient, ye must keep the performances and ordinances of God until the law shall be fulfilled which was given unto Moses. Therefore it is my interpretation that Nephi is saying he and his posterity are saved by Grace after the law of Moses. (The law of Moses is all Nephi can do). He recognizes he is saved by Grace not the law of Moses. I am saved by Jesus’ Grace. He has offered himself a sacrifice for my sin. He has fulfilled the demands of Justice against me for my disobedience. I now want to follow him with my whole heart which includes turning away from all my sin and entering into his covenants which he has restored through the prophet Joseph Smith. It is my desire to follow Jesus that keeps my in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

[@Mmmmmk247]

Oh it’s certainly works based salvation and works based earning your spot in heaven. Brad Wilcox goes into this heavily

[@davidjanbaz7728]

I like 1 Nephi 14:10 better as it supports Joseph Smith's attack on Historical Christians and accuses Evangelical Protestants of being from the mother church of Abominations. So loving of U All !

[@seanwilson2798]

@@davidjanbaz7728 I believe Jesus really did establish one true church. I believe him when he prayed that we might be one in him the same way he is one with the Father. A house divided cannot stand. If these are true then there certainly must only be one true church. If there is only one true church established by God, then the rest were established by someone else. In the end it makes little difference who founded a church if the founder was not God. This is not to attack other Christians. The most loving thing someone can do is to tell the truth. It is not love to let your brother continue ignorantly in a church that is not established by Jesus Christ. In claiming that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is Jesus' one true church. I am not claiming that the church or its members are perfect. The church is ran by prophetic but mortal men.

[@ravello99]

@@seanwilson2798 And over and over, the prophecies get retracted, restated, revised, removed. Wake up! Turn to Jesus. Study the Word of God - not the utter nonsense of Joseph Smith.

[@seanwilson2798]

@@ravello99 I think you missed the part of my first comment where i said it is only because of my desire to follow Jesus that i am in this church. I have studied and read for myself and the more i read, especially the new testament, the more I’m convinced that Joseph was called of God.

[@hanichay1163]

Yes a Mormon can be or become a Christian despite being in Mormonism, but if so he will also be or become miserable and starved hearing constant false and offensive drivel in church. So a mature adult follower of Christ would leave that environment as soon as possible and find a church body in keeping with his belief in Christ alone where he can rejoice and be fed and grow and serve.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

No, a mormon cannot become a Christian. A mormon is one who is a vessel of wrath and a brute beast made to be destroyed. Being a mormon (the lake of fire) is their destiny.

[@storozha777]

Yup come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord 2 Corinthians

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@storozha777 ,...This scripture is referring to coming out of everything called the church. There are no Christians in anything known as or called the church.

[@joenelson5819]

19:43 yes!!!!!!!! :)

[@wes2176]

The Restored Gospel rules!!!

[@inChristalone1960]

No , CHRIST RULES, and HE does not lead the lds church.

[@joenelson5819]

8:07 😂🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ValerieGriner]

The Bible says that John the Baptist was the last PROPHET. I don't believe in present-day prophets, seers or revelators. I DO believe that the Holy Spirit teaches us individually...just as Jesus promised.

[@kirkguerrero7469]

✝️ The Mormons will only be saved. If they lose their tradition and only believe in the faith. In❣️✝️ Jesus Christ and what he did on Calvary. Because we’re not saved . By are works, but we’re save by. Gods grace in Jesus Christ. Remember Jesus Christ said it was finished on the cross on Calvary. As love, won the war and grace. Was God’s love for his children 🤍. So we would be saved through Jesus Christ in memory.✝️ Through our faith in Jesus Christ 👣🤍🐑. As no sheep will be left behind 🐑. The Lord is my shepherd 🐑 . To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord🐑. The sheep follow the.❤Shepherd, that is the lord ❤.

[@janestephens7062]

I don't get the Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, and 7 days . As this Mormon guy came up to me unloading my truck as he didn't see my 72lbs standard, Poodle boy nearby tried hand me something next I see is my boy on top this guy growling at him. I did say this to him you didn't come our properly without permission. Funny, I guess they all talk to each other as we don't get those irritating Saturday morning banging on my door, disturbing our Shabbat. The last thing we want to deal on. our holy day that we rest is have to be woken up early in morning by someone banging on our door.

[@bliu4266]

Without the Book of Mormon, how do we have a second witness of Jesus Christ apart from the Bible? As a claimed PhD and supporter of science, I’d hope you appreciate the crucial role of multiple sources.

[@pursuingthetruth777]

We have 129 independents facts from 45 outside sources in the contemporary literature of the first few centuries wholly apart from the Bible witnessing the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. BoM not needed, nor wanted when considering it's "witness" has no archaeological backing.

[@tm2cruz]

Thanks for this. We recently had met two female mormon missionaries and used one of bible verse and trying to preach to us that it meant “god the mother” bec Jesus cant be a son if there’s no god the mother bec there is god the father

[@aadschram5877]

It seems that Corey`s historic christianity does not goes back for more than 500 years.

[@gz67]

Why do you say that? Because he does not belong to Catholicism or Orthodoxy? I was raised Orthodox, but now I am evangelical. The only major difference is that I do not venerate icons or pray to Mary and the Saints. As far as doctrinal integrity, God's eternal nature, Christs identity, His life, death and resurrection and salvation through His finished work, all those doctrinal salvation points all Christians agree on. Therefore, we are part of the historic Christian faith.

[@Honeybread-ox5ho]

Repent and trust in Jesus you will be saved I love yall and God bless

[@averageskyfatherworshipper9342]

What would Christian apologists do without mormonism and islam?

[@DD-sz8nw]

Why is Dallas Jenkins courting the Mormons on The Chosen series? It's really weird. Like, he doesn't know who the real Jesus Christ is.

[@HaleStorm49]

No evangelicals were willing/able to fund his project. Now the same people who wouldn't help get The Chosen off the ground are throwing stones at him for accepting the generous gift the Mormons offered him... And telling people not to watch it.?? What should he have done?

[@Cuinn837]

He is no longer with Angel Studios, which is Mormon.

[@elijahhodges4405]

I'm only 3rd generation on my father's side. 2nd generation on my mother's side. But their faithfulness isn't what made me read the scriptures, and study the writings of good and bad. It actually took a bad marriage for me to learn to pray, and listen. Prayer and listening is something that many haven't learned to do. If you pray and listen you learn that Jesus Christ is real, and he heads The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

[@Dan_Gleebalz]

Many people will leave the church, but then they can't seem to leave it alone. Sounds to me a little like second guessing yourself to leave a particular faith and then go on the internet and crow about it, trying to justify your actions. Who are you trying to convince? Shut up about it and move on.

[@How.To.Get.Saved.]

It's not that we want to harass you about it. What if it's that we really care and believe your soul is in the worst possible danger? Plus we're commanded to spread the gospel.

[@rolandovelasquez135]

Yup. Mormonism has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Nap.

[@BRMoore]

And you are an expert on the subject?

[@HaleStorm49]

It should say "dumbest" decision I ever made. Giving up Temple worship, covenant blessings, eternal marriage and Exaltation for....what?

[@TopLobster9975]

The Truth; not some personal interpretation completely removed from Christianity under a hallucination and rewriting of The Late War to further Joseph Smith’s delusion.

[@jennymiller8673]

Truth

[@benzun9600]

For tellestial life. He will live again with NO one but angels.

[@Mmmmmk247]

For truth. Joseph smith was a false prophet. All of what you said he gave up, is make-believe. Those things you want, all place yourself as the most important figure in your own story and do not honor and worship God. The ultimate goal of Mormon doctrine is the self. It is not God centered

[@HaleStorm49]

@@Mmmmmk247 If Christ laid down his Life for the sheep He must believe them to be pretty important. Sectarians today are taught to undervalue God's children and downplay their potential. You are a good example of this. It's spiritual wokeness.

[@livingmombirth4005]

Interesting. The more I learn, the more the facts substantantiate that Joseph Smith was exactly what he said he was, a prophet of God.

[@duaneadams5210]

I'm not Mormon and never have been, but I have read the Book of Mormon cover to cover. My thoughts are that it was a bunch of crap.

[@wes2176]

I thought it was pretty cool. Are you sure you didn't read the Koran?

[@gmandofgod]

Is Christianity a Western religion?

[@cortneyb777]

Absolutely not. It’s origins are in Israel and it traveled. It’s now the fastest growing religion in Africa. Christ is for all.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

yes of course, it's all about money, subscriptions, likes, patrons, revenue from ads.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@cortneyb777 doesn't god tell everyone this stuff? why does everyone disagree? why do you need punks like sean here lying to you? doesn't god tell his own lies, or i have i been lied to about god being personal? you can't trust religists

[@OnTheThirdDay]

It started in the Near East (in Palestine) then quickly spread through the middle east, Europe, Africa, and India. It is even an ancient relgion in China, given how long it has been there. In addition to the other commenter, I might mention that it is growing very rapidly in China after it was stamped out by the communists (though some Christians feld to Taiwan before they were killed). A significant portion of Koreas are Christian. Even though Christianity has spread a lot due to it being established in the West (meaning Europe and the USA) from where it spred to the rest of the Americas and many other places in the world, it is much more accurate to describe it as a middle eastern relgion because that is where it started and first started beign shared. If you look at the churches that Paul, Revelation, and the other churchers were written to, there was Jerusalem as the center and Antioch (in modern day Turkey) as centers, and there are many other places in Turkey like Ephesus and Laodicea. Corinth and Thessalonaica are in Greece. Rome is obviously in Italy. However, it was that Israel and middle eastern places that were the center of the Christian world, as can be seen by any map of Paul's missionary journeys where he founded some of the churches in Europe. All that said, it is definitively not a Western religion. There also isn't necessarily something bad about a religion being Western or Eastern. For instance, are native American religions Western? Is Viking norse religion Western? The greek or roman pagan pantheons? New Atheism? Yes. But that is not a reason to accept or reject them. It must be on their truth.

[@jsshay01]

@@HarryNicNicholasNo it is not. Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up in Nazareth. There’s a long history of the Christ followers faith. His 11 disciples knew Him, saw Him die on the cross, and saw Him alive again. They took that faith to the ends of the world and all but 1, John, died horrible deaths for their faith. They wrote parts of the New Testament while they were still alive and it stands today. You don’t know much about the Christian faith and seemingly make fun of it but God is so real! More real than what you see in life. He is awesome! He’s alive, in Heaven right now, and He’s coming back! Revelation tells us a out the end of this age.

[@horridhenry9920]

So, Corey leaves one false religion that he believes was true, and joins another, that many believe is untrue. What objective methodology did Corey use to determine that Christianity is true, Mormonism is untrue and all the other religions are wrong?

[@twoody9760]

And your belief that all religions are wrong is subjective.

[@horridhenry9920]

@@twoody9760 Where beliefs are diametrically opposed, logic determines that they cannot all be right ; but they can all be wrong.

[@lorrainethomas4736]

The options are horrendous! I’ve lost nothing…if I believe that Jesus saves…and I find out it’s not true! But if you reject the gospel and Jesus…and find out it’s true…you’ve lost everything!😨

[@benzun9600]

Good point the bible is full of contradictions and falsehoods. 4000+ chrisitans all believe in the bible and think they are right and saved and somehow the mormons are not going to be saved? LOL

[@horridhenry9920]

@@lorrainethomas4736 it’s called “Pascal’s Wager”. However, for you to be justified in adopting your position, you have to choose the right God? If Islam is true, both atheists, and Christians are going to hell.

[@jenna2431]

Once you start to pick your beliefs apart and figure out what you truly believe, then you'll ultimately do that with any religion you land in after that. You get out of LDS, you'll do that with the Christianity you land in because you think you "Need" a religion, because you think there "has" to be a god. But if you examine it with the same critical thinking, it too unravels. And you know what? You'll be FINE. I'm way more than fine from leaving BOTH LDS and Christianity.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

The fact is, you are completely deceived. There is one actual church and the Bible is the only truth the world has. Jesus only came to save a very few and none of these few are deceived by anything the Godless world calls the/a church.

[@brettpinion4233]

Why Reject GOD of BIBLE? Isn't your eternity worth examining the truth? Faith in a false God is of what value? Faith in the true God is invaluable. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling or punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of LDS members. Like Joseph Smith this was the goal of Satan, to be like God and have worshippers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See John 1:1 Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, not long after the apostle John died) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith translation: "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's version. Galatians 1:8 "Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED." Matthew 24:24 warns Satan WILL send FALSE prophets and pose as an ANGEL of light! 2 Corinthians 11:14 God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to ADD to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and ADDED you can become a GOD. God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he tells us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

[@gz67]

Nobody thinks there has to be a god as a way of joining a religion. Common sense, logic, and realists acknowledge that language and information does not happen and develop on its own. Everything that we have learned, created, designed, and understood comes form knowledge and information and learning. Meticulously complex cells and systems don't just appear or evolve..the system has to be fully intact and operational for it to exist. Therefore, the only logical and common sense realist view is that an Intelligent Designer exists.

[@lorrainethomas4736]

@jenna2431…The Bible says you are without excuse! Because you are suppressing the truth..in unrighteousness! Why? Because God has shown it to you…through what He has created! There’s 0 excuse..to believe as you do! I pray you come to see the truth and repent… before it’s too late! Remember… we’re only one heartbeat..from the grave!

[@awatchman-um7vy]

@@lorrainethomas4736 ,...So, let me ask you, is the earth a planet/globe, or is it flat and stationary?

[@elainekoeppel7250]

As an 8 year old you have no sin

[@scrapshappen]

Anyone else spend much of this going "one cult to another"...

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

The fact is, everyone who is in anything called the church is in a false manmade, ungodly cult.

[@AirTruth787]

I like your channel and have watched many videos to date. And I certainly like your tone. With all due respect, as usual, there is so much misinformation in this video about the Mormon Church. And I say that in the kindest way because I have family members who left the LDS Church in their teens also and they just don’t have a good grasp of what the Church really teaches and what it means to be a true member, or as I would say it, a true disciple of Jesus Christ (yes someone can be a disciple of Jesus Christ who is not a member of the LDS Church). You’ve certainly seen this Sean with those who aren’t Christian or Athiests talking about the Bible or God or even your beliefs; they just don’t have it correct. Not much space here, but here are a couple of examples. To say that LDS Church members are not Christians because they believe differently than you is disingenuous. And my second point is closely related to the first. The LDS Church is probably the most intellectually powerful religion on the planet especially where it’s doctrine matches the Bible most closely. Thirdly, I’ve both seen and heard of people joining the church for the above reasons with the Holy Ghost of course being the one who confirms that truth. I would argue that Joseph Smith knew many things that he could not have known in his day. Even if someone uses the popular argument today (because he got so many things right so far) that he access to all of that information. Even if that historically inaccurate argument were true, how’d he guess which ones to use and which ideas of the day to leave out? What are the chances? The Book of Mormon does not teach that someone who prays about it after reading will always get a witness from the Spirit, nor does it delineate any timeframe. I appreciate all you do for the cause of Christ my Brother!

[@symphonyofdissent]

I left the LDS Church earlier this year after being a member for 14 years. I served in many teaching callings and wrote extensively online in defense of LDS Doctrine. I was very much in the mainstream of Church doctrine. But since leaving I have constantly been accused of not understanding the doctrine. Respectfully this is condescending and patronizing. I would argue that those who leave and become Evangelicals do so because they take the historical LDS doctrines seriously. For instance they do not gloss over decades of talks by leaders emphasizing the vital importance of works and perfect repentance in this life. They do not ignore or gloss over the King Follett sermon or the sermons of Utah leaders on things like Adam-God. My experience is Latter-day Saints gloss over all of this to focus on the best and most comfortable version of modern LDS doctrine.

[@HaleStorm49]

​@@symphonyofdissentperhaps they mean that if you understood the doctrine you would recognize that becoming an evangelical will cap your progression & You are making decisions looking backwards instead of forwards.

[@symphonyofdissent]

@@HaleStorm49 the only thing I need to move forward in my faith is faith in Christ. All of the added works and ordinances of the LDS Church detract from pure faith in Christ.

[@truthbebold4009]

There is 180° of divergence between LDS teachings and the Bible from the get go. One teaches that's Adam fell down and the other teachers that Adam fell up. This is a clear example of an inverted hermeneutic. Free masonry also has an inverted hermeneutic. Which makes for an interesting connection

[@HaleStorm49]

@@symphonyofdissent This is a good example of why Peters very last words were a warning about Paul's writings leading people to destruction.

[@jamescrane6583]

I have a really hard time seeing much difference between Apostle Paul and Joseph Smith.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

This is because like all mormons, you are completely spiritually dead and blind.

[@brettpinion4233]

Why Do LDS Reject GOD of BIBLE & believe in FALSE GOD of Joseph Smith? Isn't your eternity worth examining the truth? NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 facsimiles taken from an ancient papyrus, shown to be a fraud years later. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In Facsimiles Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of the “Two million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. This is 3 times the # of Americans killed in the entire Civil War & Revolutionary War combined. NO trace of the great city Zarahemla- it would be impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace NO trace of Jewish dna found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher):“We are in a dilemma, the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple remains in Jerusalem NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings ever found anywhere as it is not a language found in the world NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) anywhere NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet not one ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no steel found in the Americas, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) CAN WE TRUST OUR HEARTS AS TO THE TRUTH OF THE BOOK OF MORMON since there is no evidence? D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. This is NOT how the bible tells us to determine truth. Acts 17:11 "they... EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY to see if what Paul said was TRUE"; "TEST THEM ALL" 1 Thes 5:21 The best way to spot false teachers is to examine the TRUTH of the bible. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." 1 John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world." Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" But: THE BIBLE WARNS YOU about trusting your own heart. Jeremiah 17:9 "the heart is DECEITFUL above all things". Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own heart is a FOOL." "The sum of your word is TRUTH" Psalm 119:160 Faith in a false God is of what value? Faith in the true God is invaluable. Mormonism is based on a PROVABLY FALSE claim the Bible was corrupted and "plain and precious parts" were removed by Christian translators after the apostles died. Yet, there isn’t ANY specific biblical scripture found ANYWHERE, EVER, that directly supports Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible. AN OBJECTIVE TEST OF THE BIBLE AND THE BOOK OF MORMON: The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was corrupted after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the Devil (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine both the Bible & BOM to be fair and test for errors. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling or punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of LDS members. Like Joseph Smith this was the goal of Satan, to be like God and have worshippers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See John 1:1 Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, not long after the apostle John died) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith translation: "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's version. Galatians 1:8 "Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED." Matthew 24:24 warns Satan WILL send FALSE prophets and pose as an ANGEL of light! 2 Corinthians 11:14 God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to ADD to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and ADDED you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many wives, … The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he tells us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

[@lorrainethomas4736]

What???? You need to look into what you said!

[@HaleStorm49]

True. Smith was given greater errands.

[@awatchman-um7vy]

@@HaleStorm49 ,...The fraud and con artist joseph smith was given nothing. He and his 100% fake Godless religion (cult) is an abomination as are all those deceived by him.

[@JIKOKALOL]

I love it when cult people get saved!

[@jawneethecurious]

Sean, if you truly believe in Scripture, then the only way for salvation is to be born of His Spirit. You fail to state that so Mormons are doomed!

[@mcable217]

In the words of William lane Craig, seems like Corey had a brain dead LDS faith.