Albums Most Hate, But We Love- Part 2 (w/Martin Popoff)

Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff at the Funhouse for Part 2 of a discussion of albums most people seem to hate, but we really like.
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[@robbrannen193]

People hate Music From The Elder, but for some inexplicable reason I really enjoy it.

[@jayfabe620]

The Oath has aged better than expected. I really like it, especially The Oath.

[@SonOfWat]

It was the first kiss album I was old enough to buy upon release and I loved it immediately! Still love it. Still in my top 5!

[@aidenswords5809]

Great album indeed

[@vuzzerony]

the first time i listen to it ithought it was a total desaster.now i love it.listen to it very often and i wish it could be a longer album.the oath under the rose only you its all good.

[@danzemacabre8899]

Some cool stuff on there for sure, especially Darklight

[@magnuswettermark8293]

"Point of entry" by Judas Priest. One of my favorite priest album. And by the way..the same goes to "flick of the switch" by AC/DC. Both are great albums by great bands.

[@preving]

I just bought Flick of the Switch a couple of days ago. It was good

[@KowankoMusic]

I think Point of Entry was seen as a drop in quality at the time of its release but it's gone up in fans' estimation in the ensuing decades, especially knowing how much worse things got for Priest.

[@metaldams78]

Point of Entry to me is inconsistent - but I think the strong songs are REALLY strong. “Turning Circles” is the most underrated one. Flick of the Switch is a masterpiece.

[@EZ-vm1up]

Point Of Entry and Killing Machine are both just good versions of British Steel, one of Priest's worst records.

[@christianhaynes1954]

Point of entry is great 👍

[@martinnapier6286]

Kate Bush - Lionheart. Not as strong as the Kick Inside but I never understood the dislike for this album. Love everything she does

[@aleksandarfrick2656]

She is from another planet .

[@sspbrazil]

I love that album.

[@alecl9430]

It’s an interesting record to say the least. I’m not crazy about everything on it but it seems to pick up a ton of steam as the record goes on.

[@MetalionSOS]

Lionheart is better than The Kick Inside!

[@kevinsnodgrass6222]

Yes I agree wholeheartedly

[@cmurl3038]

Heart - Passionworks (I think Martin has mentioned this before) Rush - Power Windows (The 80's production somehow works)

[@chriswoosley3883]

love Passionworks, my fave

[@SteveHughesOfficial]

Power windows is one of my favourite Rush albums. I love the production.

[@ronnelson1979]

Kiss - Crazy Nights and Carnival of Souls Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity and When Day And Dream Unite Rush - Presto and Test For Echo Ozzy - Ozzmosis, Ultimate Sin and No Rest For The Wicked Iron Maiden - X Factor and Virtual XI Queensryche - Q2K Black Sabbath - Never Say Die

[@jeffspicoli763]

Presto IS really good!

[@leeh-xh1iw]

Sin is the best Ozzy album

[@j.j.4150]

Their Satanic Majesties Request is a really good album. One of their best earlier ones.

[@Ryan-F.Y.T.S2006]

I love it as well, i have never understood the hatred for it

[@j.j.4150]

@@Ryan-F.Y.T.S2006 I mean, it is clearly an obscure journey of an album. But man, there are like 4-5 awesome songs on it. And the rest is also solid and as a package deal (so to speak) it just works perfectly fine overall. To me at least.

[@OutOnTheTiles]

I concur! Great album.

[@oceanhedonist265]

As the great music journalist Roy Carr wrote, "Satanic Majesties" would have made a scintillating EP."

[@sterioapple]

Love It!

[@stevefletcher6163]

Think many 38 Special fans give Strength in Numbers a hard time, but it’s one of my favourite 38 Specials.

[@carl-johanfougstedt199]

I really enjoy Page/Plant : No Quarter. The remake of Gallow´s Pole is totally fabulous.

[@ericvoyer7560]

The DVD is what puts it over the top

[@bustergoldenrod]

The drumming on that track is insane.

[@BrunoSampietro]

Totally love the no quarter album. Since ive been loving you, kashmir, nobodys fault, they are even better than the original ones, and that is saying a lot. They killed it on that album.

[@scorpiorising3741]

Pink Floyd - The Final Cut The Doors - The Soft Parade Journey - Raised On Radio Billy Idol - Whiplash Smile

[@Stormheart911]

I completely agree, The Soft Parade is a very unappreciated album!

[@gregorykrug8034]

I think that all six Doors albums with Jim Morrison are great.

[@andypearce1349]

For me, Nostradamus by Priest. I've never heard anyone say anything good about this album but personally I love it!

[@jerkstore3654]

It is in my opinion a great album. Lot of super songs on there.

[@andypearce1349]

@@jerkstore3654 totally agree! Well said 🙂👍🤘

[@treff9226]

Hey Andy - you do you! Music is heard differently due to childhood, environment, intellect, age, etc. There is no right or wrong....that said, there is this album by the mighty Judas Priest named Nostradamus that should be spanked and put in the corner for being really, really bad! 😁😁😁

[@MrDuneedon]

Here are my choices: 1. Roger Waters - 'Radio KAOS' & 'The Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking' 2. Pink Floyd - 'The Final Cut' 3. The Who - 'Face Dances' (just picked up the 40th anniversary RSD edition) 4. Queen - 'A Kind of Magic' 5. Alan Parsons - 'On Air'

[@geographyinaction7814]

I like the Final Cut, I don't let the drama behind the album get in the way.

[@ScottyKirk1]

The Waters albums always get a bad rap. KAOS is terribly dated with its prominent sequencing, but I still dig it. My 1987 self was just glad to have something new to bug my local DJ because they wouldn't play it! Ha 😂 And P&C is a holophonic headphone feast. Played it to death and I had friends who were Clapton nuts, who I used to pull it out and blow their minds. Back when you'd hunt down the 12in singles to get the extra tracks and alternate mixes. Which those have yet to be released since.

[@reinaldofavoreto7160]

I like Tigers ,Heroes return, Not now John from FInal Cut- it should have been an EP, Radio Kaos is a decent album. Pros ans Cons in bad

[@MrDuneedon]

@@ScottyKirk1 Have you heard the extended/special edition of KAOS? It was never officially released, but fans pieced it together some years ago. It combines the studio tracks with the KAOS B-sides, and Roger’s stuff from the ‘When The Wind Blows’ soundtrack- if you search YT for “radio KAOS special edition” you’ll find it (I think the name of the first video that pops up is actually Radio KAOS “full album,” or some such)- anyway, if you find the version that is about an hour and 8 minutes long, that’s the right one. I heard it for the first time quite a few years ago, and it really revitalized the album for me. When I listen to it now, that’s the only version that I listen to.

[@MrDuneedon]

@@reinaldofavoreto7160 Well, to each his or her own. Personally, I love Final Cut and Pros & Cons.

[@sixstringfighter98]

KISS - “Crazy Nights”, Van Halen - “OU812”, Ozzy Osbourne - “The Ultimate Sin”, Def Leppard - “Adrenalize”, Journey - “Raised On Radio”, and Poison - “Look What The Cat Dragged In” are a few of mine

[@bubbadagger]

U. Sin was my first Ozzy tape.still love it

[@damienlejeune7840]

Totally agree with "Crazy Nights" !

[@Danimal77]

I love "The Ultimate Sin"!!

[@smitchix1]

I've literally never heard anyone malign "Look What the Cat Dragged In"....if you are a Poison fan or a glam fan, that is a great album. Heavily influenced by KISS, it is a riff fest that is a whole lot of fun, and arguably Poison's best effort from front to back. It's a classic in the genre.

[@sixstringfighter98]

@@smitchix1 yeah it’s classic for glam fans, but it’s one of the go-to albums that people trash on when talking about the genre (mainly do to the album cover no doubt). That’s been my experience anyway

[@ukrocksounds3419]

Tyr and Eternal idol, by Sabbath, Both really good albums.

[@kforcer]

Absolutely.

[@DBTdad]

Eternal Idol is killer

[@Danimal77]

Pete, I hear you on people not accepting the Seventh Star album for what it is, having great songs on it. I wish you would accept "Never Say Die" for what it is, having some great songs on it. ;-)

[@sotdude7]

I just don’t hear many great songs on it Dan...lol

[@mikemars2112]

Agreed. Now, I'm not fond of Swinging the Chain so I actually end the album on Breakout. But I love every other song. One of my favourite albums to crank.

[@armandovenditti4523]

For me the Van Halen catalogue with Sammy Hagar was stronger in regards to harmony and melody. People hated VH3 with Gary Cherone but I like at least half the album and given the fact that it had 12 tracks, that's saying something. As I said in the chat, bands are not allowed to musically experiment today as they were allowed to in the '70s. Perfect example, Yes "Tales From Topographic Oceans". A double album consisting of 4 side-long tracks. These days, it would not sell at the same level.

[@noheamike5036]

Van Halen with Roth was the worst concert i ever saw. Roth was drunk, just horrible. Couldn't listen to them again until Sammy joined. So I enjoyed Van Hagar!

[@treff9226]

Roth's vocals now have all the power and range of a farting turtle.

[@Stonky77]

Pete, we've seen a lot of discussions about acts that don't belong in the RRHOF because they aren't rock, but I'd like to hear your take on the actual rock acts that are in but should not have been voted in.

[@treff9226]

Great idea! My feeling on the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is it's been completely watered down and means very little now that anyone with a banjo gets in!

[@thomasmarthinussen8978]

To say that these guys know their music is an understatement of gigantic proportions! Love to hear them discuss artists, albums and music in general.

[@chazblitz]

I LOVE Another Perfect Day by Motorhead and have listened to people laugh at me for 38 years. I think people just didn't want Fast Eddie to leave and didn't give it a chance. Brian Robertson was the best technical guitarist they ever had in the band. Not a good match personality wise but still a fretmaster.

[@MetalPersonJ]

Another Perfect Day great album. Better than Bomber and Iron Fist.

[@Katzeninsel1]

1. Black Sabbath "Never Say Die" 2. Guns'n'Roses "Lies" 3. Meat Loaf "Bad Attitude" 4. Judas Priest "Point of Entry" 5. Molly Hatchet "Devil's Canyon"

[@petrilampela]

Hmm, everyone I know loves the Lies EP though.

[@Katzeninsel1]

@@petrilampela People always talk about the debut and the User Your Illusion albums. The album Lies ist always omitted.

[@petrilampela]

@@Katzeninsel1 It's usually not included when ranking or discussing GNR albums because it's not an actual studio album. But I think it's always been beloved.

[@RobCaldera]

Train of Thought has always been one of my favorite DT records. It’s so damn heavy with the right amount of prog.

[@abe3802]

Agree!

[@joshualind7739]

I agree, too. It’s the one that I listen to the most. I don’t hang with a lot of DT fans, so I didn’t know it had been maligned. I think it’s great!

[@davidvondusseldorf1208]

Damn, Pete's dogs ate the mailman at the end of this show

[@christopherhoffman201]

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[@christophercheney1006]

Guns N' Roses "Chinese Democracy", I'm one of probably 5 people on the planet Earth that really dig that record. Is it a "Gn'R" record? Naw. Is it a really good Axl solo record, most defniitely! Yeah, the thing is jam packed with way too much stuff and it could use some arrangement help, but, I effing love that record for what it is.

[@kennyburck7924]

Make that 6 people. That album is amazing!!! People wanted appetite part 2 While we’re at it, The Elder is an amazing Kiss album 👍

[@yeslyrics8018]

Make it 7

[@christophercheney1006]

@@kennyburck7924 I dig "The Elder". I'm always about artists taking a chance!

[@thegreatgodpancake9011]

Chinese Democracy is amazing. Catcher in the Rye, Street of Dreams, Madagascar, Prostitute, Better, etc are some of Axl's best songs/lyrics. I absolutely love that album

[@kyle.sterritt]

Make it 8, burned the shit out of that cd back in the day

[@johnmichaelwilliams6694]

Popoiff and Pardo are at it again with Round 2 of albums most hate but they seem to love. A little late viewing this so my immediate choices may already be listed. Tops would be Soft Parade by the Doors. Really like this album. The horns add a nice touch to the songs when used - particularly Touch Me which is a personal favorite track of the band. The next would have to be Sally Can't Dance by Lou Reed [which suffered a bit from following the tremendous Transformer and Berlin albums]. Lou may be a bit out of the SoT usual field, but I have enjoyed much of his work with the sold hate-it-with-the-intensity-of-a=thousand-suns Metal Machine Music. And Martin's choice of the Stones Satanic Majesities is spot on. At the time it was issued, all the fans thought the cover meant the Stones were trying to channel Sgt. Peppers. Thanks, Martin and Pete for another great show.!

[@mgoulet002]

Yes’ Big Generator for me. Brilliant IMO.

[@reinaldofavoreto7160]

Yes. Better that 90126....Just change the order of songs ( the first two popish ones kill the album) and put a Roger Dean cover and it becomes a real Yes album

[@malco49]

kudos to martin to mentioning "between the buttons" as also part of the stones psychedelic phase. they also had a handful of non album tracks in this era that were psychedelic , child of the moon-dandelion- we love you amongst a few others. good call on satantic lp !

[@Justin_Kipper]

Good call, a lot of those tracks could have been on those albums. I love those particular non-album songs too.

[@claymccoy]

This may not qualify but I really love The Division Bell from Pink Floyd. I know a lot of Pink Floyd fans dismiss all post-Waters albums. It's not The Wall of Dark Side of the Moon but it's a joy to listen.

[@Salad531]

Very consistent album, all songs are great and you really can’t go wrong with High Hopes

[@zlatanfilipovic8798]

It is in fact very good album

[@67tomcat]

I believe "Hot Streets" from Chicago is one of their best. Had some hits ("Alive Again" and "No Tell Lover"), but definitely some changes in direction and sound, especially with Terry Kath's passing. Great music all the same.

[@visualizeprog2874]

Totally agree. After the death of Terry whoever replaced him, and whatever kind of album they would make, was sure to face a lot of harsh scrutiny from some fans. But honestly, it's one of the most played Chicago albums in my collection.

[@67tomcat]

@@visualizeprog2874 Awesome. Some great songs on "Hot Streets".

[@sebastiankirby5159]

Seventh Star is one of my favourite Sabbath albums. I just love how much of a stylistic anomaly it is in the Sabbath discography, like Born Again. Iommi's tone is super clean and modern, but his riffs fit perfectly with Glenn's voice. It's just a super interesting album

[@boomer3150]

Agreed, and No Stranger to Love is excellent.

[@reedl2353]

The three albums that Glenn Hughes did with Tony Iommi are both my favorite Glenn Hughes albums and my favorite post-Mob Rules albums by Tony Iommi. The songs are melodic but crushingly heavy, Glenn sounds amazing, and they actually give Tony a chance to stretch out a bit. He always sounds like Tony Iommi, but he doesn't sound like Tony Iommi trying to pretend it's 1974 (I'm looking at you, 13). If I had to pick one of the three, I probably like the 1996 DEP Sessions the best (available for years as a bootleg called 8th Star), but Fused is also amazing.

[@MrFrikkenfrakken]

Nice selections Martin and Pete. I have a hard time finding really despised records, maybe some kind of lost in the shuffle but I really like: 'Bananas' Deep Purple 'Audiovisions' Kansas 'Tales From Topographic Oceans' Yes

[@hellojimmypage]

Bananas is great, bet half of the detractors judge it based on the artwork.

[@kennbrown4638]

Their Satanic Majesties is my favorite Stones album. 2000 Light Years From Home is my favorite Stones song and She's a Rainbow is in my top 5.

[@shad7832]

I love "Load", "Reload" and "St.Anger" ..and to me "Death Magnetic" is one of metallica's best album ,and i love it for the exact reason why many say they don't like it. I love the sound of that album.

[@shad7832]

@Juan T yeah i forgot to mention black album. Totally agree with you. P.s. i love hardwired for the 2 cds thing and it is a great album too

[@guillermomaldonado6277]

Love Seventh Star! is it a Sabbath album? maybe yes maybe not, but man I just love it; the pairing of Hughes and Iommi was a dream come true 🍺🤘

[@briankelman2325]

Me too! How can people not like Glenn and Tony together no matter what they call it?

[@errolcuthbert1649]

Check out Iommi/Hughes - FUSED, 2005.

[@briankelman2325]

@@errolcuthbert1649 Got it too. Outstanding collaboration.

[@EZ-vm1up]

It has the name so it's a Sabbath record, like it or not.

[@sterioapple]

The record company made him call it Sabbath. It was a Tony Iommi solo album. I loved it when it came out/still do.

[@JamesGreen-bf4jy]

One I can think of is Celtic Frost - Cold Lake. Love that album

[@jeffreywebb7932]

Ive been looking for it on cd,for years..

[@BSPVMD]

Wow. I can honestly say I've NEVER before heard anyone mention that they love that album.

[@knightvisioniixv]

Guys! Guys!! Guys!!! Friday at the Funhouse is *never* complete without talking about the weather immediately before getting into things. What happened? Case of the oldz? 😂😂😂

[@sterioapple]

Slaves & Masters is a great Joe Lynn Turner solo record. Great backing band on there!

[@treff9226]

Yeah, Joe had a decent guitarist on HIS album, that Ronnie Backstore dude....pretty good on the electric twanger! 😁🤘

[@andytudor6517]

Agree with the DT Train of Thought nomination. One of my favourite bands, and I have no issues with the heavy but I didn't get into this. Thinned my CD collection and sold this and Octavarian albums as I didn't play them. I re bought Train last week and played it and had instant regret throwing this aside. Great album. Heavy but not ridiculous. Still has great prog moments. Good choice Pete

[@TheMrHavish]

I listed these in the other thread: Metallica - Load & Re-Load Judas Priest - Jugulator and Nostradamus Slayer - Diabolus in Musica & Repentless (Ok, neither is among Slayer's best, but I don't think they're terrible.) I'll also add Motorhead's Bastards, Hammered and Inferno. I'm not sure if they're *hated* per se, but I rarely hear them mentioned when people discuss the bands best albums. I feel those three are quite solid.

[@heygringo7]

The Kinks album Give the People What They Want is a GREAT give the people what they want type of album

[@sspbrazil]

Great album.

[@Justin_Kipper]

Respect your opinion, but it wasn't what I wanted at the time.

[@metalslather]

Oh it was what I wanted I knew The Kinks had The Kinks in em'

[@63mckenzie]

I love Alice Cooper's From The Inside. Seems to come pretty low on Cooper fans' lists.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

My fave Alice album, certainly from the solo catalog. If only he'd followed it up with something similar, although I do like his 'blackout' period too.

[@63mckenzie]

@@LarryFleetwood8675 Jackknife Johnny is one of his best songs.

[@iainholmes2735]

Re mention of 'Yacht Rock': it may be a coincidence, but I've noticed that since it became popular there's been a marked increase in the sales of chardonnay spritzers and seafood canapés.

[@davej9228]

It's background music at rich people's partys.

[@ErnestIII83]

"80s Hard Rock" is a good substitute term for "hair metal". I remember Pete ranking "Hotter Than Hell" as his #1 KISS album. I think it qualifies since while some people rank it pretty highly here and there, it's still very much maligned even by Gene and Paul. It's my #1 KISS album as well.

[@maidenmic564]

I embrace the term hair metal. Most include Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Anthrax, and Megadeth in that phrase--4 of my favorite bands! Those around me use hair metal to define music that isn't nirvana type crap!!

[@LuchaLibertaria]

@@maidenmic564 Its 80s Hard Rock. 'Hair Metal' the term includes the narrative that all 80s Hard Rock was killed by Grunge. So if u wanna listen to Melodic Hard Rock/Melodic Metal, u have to listen to those bands from the 80s. Its to keep people stuck up in nostalgia & it makes new bands invisible.

[@danzemacabre8899]

Thats an album that has aged extremely well and has grown a huge amount of appreciation over just the last few years, it recently (last 10 years) has become my #1 album of theirs, strange ways, goin blind, parasite, watchin you, title track, that's some killer shit

[@treff9226]

Party metal or big rock work better for me-shame on all the shite bands that over saturated the market and embarrassed the entire genre! Pretty Boy Floyd, anyone?!?!

[@j.j.4150]

Train Of Thought is easily a Top 5 Dream Theater Album for me.

[@Salad531]

Top 3 for me honestly, Endless sacrifice, Stream Of Consciousness and In the name of god are all 10/10 for me and the other 4 are extremely solid especially This Dying Soul

[@j.j.4150]

@@Salad531 I mean, DT has like 4-5 albums of the same exact caliber for me and Train Of Thought is definitely one of those. On some days I could even name it my number 1.

[@MrCalmao]

It is not a bad álbum, but it is not in my top 5. I listen to it less than the others. As I am is a great opening track though.

[@michaeleaster1815]

22:22 I was curious.... From Wikipedia, in the mid-1990s some music critics used the term "hair farmers" for the big hair bands (e.g. Poison), and that eventually morphed into "hair metal".

[@not-a-user427]

caress of steel rush , never got ever the hate for it was about

[@DBTdad]

One of their best!

[@leedean9633]

If Butch can't get an interview with Mr. Sykes, nobody can.

[@user-rz7kn6dm4u]

I must say I had to listen to train of thought a time or two before really liking it, when I realized it was about a highly dysfunctional family, I really started to listen to it. Coming from a family that had issues I had to bring myself to that space where I could understand what they trying to convey.now I play that one a lot. It brought out a lot of feelings about my dad I was afraid to face.

[@Danimal77]

1. Ozzy Osbourne - The Ultimate Sin (1986) - SOOOO underrated 2. Black Sabbath - Never Say Die (1978) - Experimental and great 3. Iron Maiden - The X-Factor (1995) - DARK and MOODY 4. Metallica - St. Anger (2003) - HEAVY and HONEST. I love it. 5. Scorpions - Face The Heat (1993) - A heavy album 6. Dio - Angry Machines (1996) - Brutally heavy with insane drumming 7. AC/DC - Flick of the Switch (1983) - 1980's version of Let There Be Rock 8. The Cult - The Cult (1994) - one of their most soulful albums 9. Van Halen - Balance (1995) - So criminally underrated 10. Live - Secret Samadhi (1997) - Amazing album 11. Tool - 10,000 Days (2006) - Underrated album 12. Pantera - Projects in the Jungle (1984) - The whole 1980's era was amazing 13. Judas Priest - Jugulator (1997) - HEAVIEST Priest album 14. Queensryche - American Soldier (2008) - Moody like Promised Land (1994) 15. Danzig - 4p (1994) - People love only his first 3 albums. His 4th is his best one. 16. Rollins Band - Come In and Burn (1997) - Brutally visceral and his last great album! 17. Savatage - Streets (1991) - Never gets spoken about. So underrated. 18. Saxon - Lionheart (2004) - Their best album since the early 1980's. 19. U2 - Pop (1997) - I love this album. 20. Genesis - Abacab (1981) - It gets too much hate. I personally love it. 21. Slayer - Diabolus in Musica (1998) 22. Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist (2007) 23. Kiss - Unmasked (1980) & Carnival of Souls (1995)

[@matma84]

Great episode! Thanks to Martin for sending me the BÖC book! :) The Comsat Angels also did a good cover of Citadel. I also like Seventh Star. Danger Zone is such a lost classic 80s song!

[@ukrocksounds3419]

With Pete on Earthshaker being best Y and T album. For me one of very best hard rock albums from US.

[@gregorykrug8034]

Michael Lee was a great drummer who loved what he did. He often smiled while drumming.

[@patrickcrowther9195]

I saw Page and Plant play in 1999 at a small standing venue in London. I was front row. Michael Lee was just incredible, he energised the older frontmen so much with his drive and power. It was by far the best concert I've seen with either of the two ex-Zeppelin men.

[@STEFSARA]

@@patrickcrowther9195 Sadly I never got to see Page & Plant live but have seen a number of performances on DVD & KZbin. It really is apparent how Michael Lee energises the whole band. I was never a fan of his previous band Little Angels but I love what he did with P&P,

[@gregorykrug8034]

I saw him in concert twice (once with Plant, once with Page/Plant). He is one of the most underrated drummers ever IMO.

[@chetgreblowski7811]

Spent the day in Middletown, visited Rock Fantasy and got to meet Steve. Great day.

[@sotdude7]

Awesome!

[@Drumdude74]

1. Slaughter - Stick It To Ya ( Martin mentioned them, I don't mind Mark's high pitched singing, they had some great tunes, Blas Elias was/is a really good drummer as well. ) 2. AC/DC - Blow Up Your Video ( not their best album by any stretch of the imagination but it had some really good tunes on it ). 3. KISS - Hot In The Shade ( It also had an Eric Carr lead vocals song on it. ) 4. Motley Crue - Motley Crue ( John Corabi did an amazing job, it was definitely different then the Vince Neil stuff but a good album regardless. ). 5. Aerosmith - Pump

[@treff9226]

Pump is great-rocks hard enough with great hooks!

[@lesimprosdulezardvert1342]

You know what, we were a young band back in 1989, and we played "Sweet home alabama", without any clue of what was the genre about. And we played it with another band, a reggae band. So we have done a reggae version of "Sweet home alabama" :D !

[@YoninEcho]

I agree with Pete on DT's Train of Thought. Actually ToT is my favorite Dream Theater album of all time. And I've been a DT fan since Images and Words.

[@greensombrero3641]

At the release, Zooropa took a lot of heat - I thought it remarkable. To this day, it's one of my favorites. The critics have come around - but at the time it was panned as BS.

[@damienlejeune7840]

1-Ratt / Detonator 2-White Lion / Pride 3-Twisted Sister / Love is for Sucker 4-Kiss / Crazy Nights 5-Motley Crüe / Girls Girls Girls

[@Justin_Kipper]

Martin, glad you picked _Their Satanic Majesties Request_ . It's one of my favorite albums by the Stones. It's full of great songs, and as you said, it's fun to listen to. I think the mainstream era of psychedelic music was far too short, but this particular album gets it so right, even down to the mellotron.

[@camrock3534]

I had no idea Train I’d Thought was so divisive when it was released. I was in high school when it came out and I wasn’t exposed to a whole lot of Dream Theater fans at the time but I loved it. It’s probably by #3 DT album. It seemed a natural progression from Six Degrees in terms of heaviness to me.

[@thomasbeck2934]

Train of Thought is one of my favorite DT albums! Mike’s drumming is unbelievable!

[@takodabostwick8507]

The Who Face Dances. This was 3 years after Keith Moon's death. I thought it was a solid release. I don't understood the hate that this album gets. It's fine. And I don't get tired of hearing You Better You Bet. It's a really awesome song! The Quiet One, Did You Steal My Money, Daily Records and Another Tricky Day are some of the other highlights of the album that made this album good.

[@sspbrazil]

I like that album and “It’s Hard”.

[@LarryFleetwood8675]

They're both great, yes.

[@JohnnyRecently]

Yeah, Face Dances rocks!

[@gregwatson3300]

Yes. I happen to really like "It's Hard" as well. Some people couldn't over the loss of Keith Moon.

[@sspbrazil]

@@gregwatson3300 “Dangerous” and “It’s your turn” are two of the best Entwistle penned songs by them.

[@Hy-jg8ow]

Overkill - I Hear Black Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes, Forbidden Yngwie Malmsteen - Magnum Opus PS: Tony Martin has one of the best vocals in metal/hard rock.

[@Hvymetal4life1]

I know this is an old video so I’ll not get a look at this comment, much less a response; but I just had to remark on a couple items…. Martin, my head almost exploded when you mentioned Kik Tracee. I love that first album. I remember when the video first aired on the Headbanger’s Ball back when I was in high school. I still have my og cassette, but I don’t have the EP.

[@christianman73]

I *loved* "Seventh Star," when I bought it in '87, and I still love it and defend it to this day! It doesn't sound much like a Sabbath album at all, but it still rocks, it's well-written, Tony plays very well, *and* on the album, at least, Glenn sounds great. I need to check out Dio's "Angry Machines." I missed that one when it was released. I do think that Dio's "Strange Highways" is *seriously* underrated!

[@metalwarrior81]

As someone who's no stranger to having some unpopular opinions when it comes to pretty much anything, including music, this topic is of great interest to me. My pick will have to be Black Sabbath's Forbidden. Often claimed to be the worst Black Sabbath record, but it's a very special album for me. If you're an Ozzy and/or Dio only guy you won't like it, but if you enjoy the Tony Martin era, I encourage people to give it a revisit. Just skip the opening track that briefly has Ice-T on it and really listen. The album is filled with atmospheric, gothic riffs as well as some really down to earth and heartfelt lyrics that I really needed to hear the first time I listened to it, which may be part of the reason I love it so much, because it got me through a rough period in my life and I always return to it when I'm feeling down. Highlight songs include Can't Get Close Enough, the title track and the Japanese bonus track Loser Gets It all. Is Forbidden as good as Headless Cross, Tyr, or Eternal Idol? No, but it's FAR from awful, and a record that will always have a special place in my heart.

[@travisperrotta7330]

I Won’t Cry For You and Kiss Of Death are also stellar.

[@benedictdonald4338]

1) Pearl Jam - No Code (probably their masterpiece, IMO) 2) Metallica - Hardwired (if any other band released this record, its azz would be kissed for years) 3) Flotsam - Cuatro (the only Flots record that surpasses it is the debut) 4) Slayer - Repentless (no, it's not close to their 80s output but it's a killer nonetheless) 5) Maiden - No Prayer (killer, energy-laden barnburner which gets better with each passing year!)

[@BSPVMD]

1. Black Sabbath - Born Again (always the first album that I think of in this catagory, and I already this album in a comment to Part 1 of this video.) 2. Pink Floyd - The Final Cut 3. Dream Theater - Train of Thought (completely agree with Pete's comments about this album. I love when DT goes super heavy, and this is my 3rd favorite of their discography behind SFAM and I&W.) 4. King Diamond - House of God (still probably only about 5th or 6th in their discography for me, but no where near the bottom where most people put it.) 5. Jethro Tull - Crest of a Knave (I may be wrong about the common sentiment regarding this album, but it seems like it was bashed for its 80s pop sound. I really like the melodies on this one and especially enjoy the super clean digital sounding production for some reason.)

[@Ft.Gagiano]

I got Paige & Plant walking into Clarksdale. Back in high school. When grunge was king. And kids called it "old people's rock " but I Love it still do.

[@ButchArgus]

KISS - Unmasked, Music from The Elder, Carnival of Souls Skid Row - Subhuman Race

[@kylemacneil3477]

I really like the self titled Voivod album, the first with Jason N on bass. The album was ignored for the most part.

[@polska1958]

Pete, you should do a show on how some bands have almost the same setlist for years, if not decades. I love Skynyrd but they've had the same 14 song setlist for YEARS. Foghat too.

[@lateramae]

That'd be a good rant episode. I love Def Leppard, but man, they need to update their setlist.

[@lateramae]

@@shaynewest8757 AC/DC changed it up a little for the Rock or Bust tour.

[@Justin_Kipper]

That's because "legacy" bands wind up with a long slate of older songs that everyone wants to hear, and they usually have a set amount of time to play...thus, they leave out more obscure songs.

[@lateramae]

@@Justin_Kipper I see your point and I get that playing the "hits" is necessary. But the bands can also make efforts to throw in some rarities here and there. Besides, if people want to hear the hits so badly, they should just listen to them on KZbin.

[@BSPVMD]

@@lateramae That's pretty much what Cheap Trick does -- they'll change up their set list slightly almost every night. Play 80% of the hits, plus a couple surprises.

[@mikek8553]

What Pete says at 30:58, is pretty much an umbrella term for hundreds if not thousands of albums. If Never Say Die or Technical Ecstacy didn't have Black Sabbath name on the cover. Rush, Hold Your Fire/Power Windows. I like the song Breadline by Megadeth. I think you guys know the point I'm trying to make.

[@mikek8553]

If you played first few Pantera albums to someone without disclosing the artist I'm sure their opinion would be quite different from if you told them it was Pantera

[@seanburke7967]

I love Diabolus in Musica by Slayer.It took a few listens but Jeff and especially Tom were free to experiment with the songwriting with Kerry busy breeding snakes and produced a unique Slayer record with killer songs

[@neuroisis85]

Same, killer record except for Love to Hate that one sounds to nu metalish for me.

[@magicbus63]

The Doors The Soft Parade

[@randyventresca4152]

Considered Doors weakest of their 6 studio albums with Jim Morrison. Probably is, but still a great listen with some good songs.

[@wvdavidr]

I also thought DT's "Train of Thought" was really good. Others: ELO's "Time," Alan Parsons Project "Gaudi," Iron Maiden's "Book Of Souls."

[@inmyhouse11]

Fool Circle- Nazareth Special Forces- Alice Cooper Kilroy Was Here- Styx Stay Hard- Raven Too Old to Rock n Roll Too Young to Die- Jethro Tull

[@jasoneubank514]

1)Def Leppard X 2)Motley Crue 1994 self titled album 3)Poison Native Tongue 4)Vixen Tangerine 5)Warrant Dog Eat Dog

[@knightvisioniixv]

For this one, I'm actually going with a few from the hard rock and metal side of things: KISS - Crazy Nights (I was originally going with Unmasked, but this one might be more appropriate. Martin went in on this one, along with Hot in the Shade, but really, I love the songs on CN, and the polished production, along with the keyboard shadings don't bother me so much. I actually like Crazy Nights more than a couple of KISS' highly-regarded '70s albums, if I'm honest. Hot in the Shade, however, is a hot mess to my ears.) Extreme - Waiting for the Punchline (The production is different than that of the previous albums, but somehow, I think it works. Love this album; So many great songs.) Saxon - Destiny (Many fans don't like this one, but I love it. I even love the anthemic cover of Christopher Cross' Ride Like the Wind, and I'm a huge Christopher Cross fan.) Megadeth - Risk (In the bottom few when it comes to my album rankings for this band, but I love most of the songs on here. Doesn't sound like anything one would expect from Megadeth, but I think the songs are catchy and melodic.)

[@treff9226]

Risk was abysmal-it makes me angry to this day!

[@treff9226]

Risk was abysmal-it makes me angry to this day!

[@treff9226]

That Extreme album, Waiting For The Punchline, is excellent!!

[@Danimal77]

Jimmy Page's live playing on that 1998 tour supporting the Walking into Clarksdale album, is the best he had played since 1973. He was on FIRE on that tour. Robert also sounded really good, as he did on their previous 1994-1996 tour. As for Page's best studio playing since Physical Graffiti, I wouldn't go that far. He did an excellent job on the Coverdale/Page studio album from 1993, having created some wickedly good songs on guitar. Page also played live really well on the Black Crowes collaboration tour he did with them in 1999/2000.

[@JohnnyRecently]

Yes is my favorite band. I love The Big Generator. Heard it a hundred times.

[@mklotz1426]

I think Martin mentioned Iggy Pop's "Dog Food" and Pete's dogs were paying attention. Pete starts talking about Styx and then they go berserk.

[@conspiracionesy]

Metallica - Load and Reload Judas Priest - Turbo and Point of Entry Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die Motley Crue - Motley Crue

[@smitchix1]

Judas Priest "Turbo" for sure. Yes its more poppy and has the synths, but there is a ton of great songwriting and playing on Turbo

[@kitoyobeni1]

I wish Corabi Crue would've kept going. Anything the Crue released after was weak IMO, including Saints Of LA (which was written by Sixx AM for the most part, which puts me off).

[@themindseyecmh]

I have a laundry list of albums I love that most people don't... A few of them are Animalize - KISS Just Push Play - Aerosmith Diver Down - Van Halen Load/Reload - Metallica Lost Highway - Bon Jovi Beatles For Sale - The Beatles

[@thespiritof6717]

The fact that Martin championed "Walking Into Clarksdale" I found very exciting. I play that album all the time. It's great. And "The One With Everything" off of Cyclorama by Styx is one of the best songs the band ever did. I wish they would play it live.

[@gordanlazinica]

'Load' and 'Reload' from Metallica - for me, their change of sound was refreshing and I think these albums show a lot of diversity, showing a lot of different styles. Also, I believe they showed more melodic music and there are great songs that are kinda always forgotten. 'Ain't My Bitch', '2 x 4', 'Until it Sleeps', 'Hero of the Day', 'Bleeding Me', 'Mama Said', 'Outlaw Torn', 'Fuel', 'The Memory Remains', 'Devil's Dance', 'The Unforgiven II', 'Bad Seed', 'Low Man's Lyric', etc.

[@christophwegener5489]

Exactly.... But to Pick the best Songs from both to make one Single Album would make this stuff also classic status.

[@gamleskalle1]

Great albums

[@craigbroadfoot1851]

For me, these were the last good Metallica albums from a songwriting and production point of view. The diverse range of songs was a strength, but sadly it was shouted down by ‘purists’ who just wanted them to repeat Master of Puppets over and over again. Since then, their output has been mainly mediocre and failed attempts to capture their thrash roots but without the musicality of before - they would have been much better off following their own direction as they tried to do with the Load albums.

[@Justin_Kipper]

I agree, there's some very good, and often complex stuff on these albums. But it wasn't what I wanted to hear from Metallica.

[@craigbroadfoot1851]

@@Justin_Kipper I do think history will the judge these albums more favourably long-term than later efforts like Death Magnetic or Hardwired. I certainly never play these albums anymore but will still occasionally put on Load/ Reload and then realise how many good songs there were.

[@katesjanice]

Hey Pete. Great show, as usual. Idea for a show: Best first solo album from an artist in a band who had just left, or was about to leave that band. For example: my favorite is Kerry Livgren's "Seeds of Change" (or "Decade 1" - the title of the remix/remaster of that brilliant album). The reasons for that choice are that Kerry wrote every note and lyric, played most of the instruments, and chose the singer whom he considered to be perfect for each individual track. In fact, Dio sang on 2 tracks, which are amazing - "Mask of the Great Deceiver" and "To Live for the King." I think it might be very interesting to see what comes up. Thanks for your consideration Pete. Have a great weekend!

[@jasonroussel9679]

Two albums come to mind for me (Pete and Martin already mentioned one of them): 1. Their Satanic Majesties Request by the Rolling Stones. This is one of the few Stones albums that I can listen to from beginning to end. Yeah, it's a weird journey, but it also has some fantastic songs like 2000 Light Years From Home, She's A Rainbow, The Lantern and Citadel. This is the album that also has 2000 Man on it which Kiss covered. 2. Never Let Me Down by David Bowie. It's a little poppy, but has some good tunes on it like Day-In Day-Out, Time Will Crawl and the title track. Peter Frampton also plays on this album and also played on the Glass Spider Tour (that was my first concert!). Very underrated effort by Bowie.

[@chiragchittar4179]

Really cool stuff. Glad to see the part 2 and love to see the diversity in picks. Train of thought is arguably my favorite dt album. The guitar tone on that is off the charts. Great pick! My picks Coroner-grin (one of my favorite albums of all time and my favourite by the band. Forget that these guys played thrash. This was wayyyy ahead of its time and sounds like early tool. It's very dark, precise and groovy) Carcass-swansong (don't get the hate. This is my favorite carcass album along with surgical steel. People just hate this because it doesn't sound like the classic carcass. If it was another band or even firebird, I don't think it would have been this panned. There are so many memorable riffs and hooks on this album. Masterpiece in songwriting). Black sabbath-technical ecstasy(I consider this as sabotage's younger forgotten brother. Sabotage ended up being a cult classic while this one seems forgotten. It is very eclectic and the beatles influences are strong on here. Iommi's solo in dirty women is one of my favorite Sabbath solos) Dream theater-falling into infinity (so what if they ventured into rock territory, it's damn good. I loved sherenean in dream theater he added a lovely summery touch to the songs and showed a lot of restraint. This album is quite jammy at times but it's not too overbearing. The songs are relatively short and there is just sooo much variety. The lines in the sand solo is one of my favorite petrucci solos) Status quo-the debut (I really don't understand why this album doesn't get the acclaim that the other albums get. Sure, the sgt pepper's influence is too strong on this one but these are just some wacky Psychedelic pop songs. On their own they sound amazing if you ignore what they did after this. My favorite album by them) Honorable mentions Deep purple-deep purple (not hated but forgotten) Pink floyd-obscured by clouds (not hated but forgotten. This album is outstanding) The doors-full circle (oh yes! I went there! People don't even know this exists. This is the album post Morrison and yes you do miss him but there are some killer songs here. The mosquito is one of my favorite doors songs. This album has some of Robbie krieger's best solos and John densmore's best drumming).

[@williambowen6914]

I love Train of Thought from Dream Theater…I also loved Falling into Infinity!

[@abe3802]

Agree on both albums!

[@michaelsalisbury1477]

William Bowen Dream Theater isn't a prog band just a poor imitation of a prog band like Porcupine Tree and neither counts as authentic prog!!!

[@LuchaLibertaria]

Btw, can you guys also explain whats the 'hair metal' sound, is it: - Blues Rock like Badlands? - Glam Metal like Motley Crue? - Classic Hard Rock like Tesla? - AOR like Foreigner? - Traditional Metal like Ozzy - No More Tears? - Melodic Hard Rock like Dokken? Also why would you lump Rock bands that came from different music traditions under a derisive Title? How is it any different than calling all Death Metal bands as cookie monster bands?

[@LuchaLibertaria]

@Martin Popoff These bands came from different musical traditions & calling all of them as 'hair metal' is ridiculous as calling all 70s Rock bands as 'longhair hippie bands' or calling all modern Rock bands as 'Hot Topic Metal'. Not to mention its disrespecful to a lot of musicians.

[@chrisrankinsmusiccrush9493]

I absolutely agree Pete about Train of Thought I love that album and I actually use that album as an introduction album to people that like heavier stuff and don’t know Dream Theater Great lists

[@jeffreywebb7932]

Triumph/Thunder Seven.I thought and still think,it was their best album.jmo

[@jeffreywebb7932]

Me too

[@Taylor-kd6lr]

Excellent presentation here Pete. I love this show topic you and Martin do.I am going to check out some of these albums. They sound like “Sleepers”.

[@quarterjukebox208]

I bought Seventh Star when it came out and I really liked it at the time.

[@Paulthediecastguy]

I have a few. Scorpions Eye to Eye album. Yes it's more techno but I like it. They even said it was different for them. They were trying different things at that time. Undreakable. They wanted to come out with a hard rocking album and I think they did. The other band is Y&T. They did two independent albums in the 90s I think where great. Musically Incorrect and Endangered Species. I really like them. I think they were over looked.

[@maidenmic564]

I love that Scorpions album too, and I also love Pure Instinct.

[@SwanShadow]

Ambrosia's One-Eighty is a terrific album. I love their earlier proggier albums too, and yes, One-Eighty is different from those (hence the title). But I like that flavor of the band too. I will have to give Styx's Cyclorama a fresh listen. I recall not liking it very much when it first came out, and haven't listened to it since. But I've been revisiting a lot of Styx in the wake of the newest album (Crash of the Crown), so I should go back and sample Cyclorama again and see if it connects with me now.

[@sotdude7]

It took quite a while to connect with me, but I love it now

[@johncollier9280]

Their Satanic Majesties Request has always been one o' my favorite Stones albums. I bought the first vinyl pressing with the 3-D cover. With songs like Citadel, She's A Rainbow, 2000 Light Years From Home, In Another Land and The Lantern, what's not to love? Even the psychedelic noodlings of some o' the lesser material is enjoyable as a time capsule o' the period. I've never understood why many Stones fans don't like it. It was also fun to find all four Beatles hidden within the multi layered swirls o' the 3-D cover art.

[@billymuellerTikTok]

I don't "LOVE" Chinese Democracy but there are about 3-4 tracks that are very, very good

[@armandovenditti4523]

I have the "Walking In Clarksdale" album. I also saw Page/Plant on the tour at the Molson Amphitheatre in Toronto. I liked the album. Jimmy Page called it '...an honest album...' Robert Plant said recording the album reminded him of recording 'Physical Graffiti'.

[@purpletemple1]

Speakin about albums "give the fans what they want": Deep Purple-Abandon. The heaviest, riffiest Morse-era album. People would have approved 200% had they announced it was gonna be their heaviest, darkest and it was, and yet it didn't get much love. Great show!