Season 4 PVP Tier List - Solo Shuffle

[@MI-wf1lw]

I think WW will be atleast S tier thanks to tier set.

[@Mtgproxycanadamtgproxycanada]

List is great, but as a DK player unholy above MM and destruction made me LOL. Unholy is almost as bad as frost, you are the easiest character to kite in the game with dog shit defense and long CDs. Absolute joke of a class and needs a major rework.. Shout out to the DK in rank 1, the dude must of had an aneurysm getting to that rank lol

[@pureloser2526]

Yeah I had to leave DK this expansion. Just got so tired of being kited. I don’t agree with every class being hyper mobile now but if that is going to be the case help DK out.

[@Eliteninja007]

Yup. 6 buttons to burst….xD

[@Eliteninja007]

rwvry not to mention you are a plate class and against most of the melees you have to play hide and seek😂😂

[@Eliteninja007]

@rwvry rider is cool but it wont solve the basic issues…with the new burst other class will get u will just die like paper. Imho san layn will be the only to UH, with the pet build. Based on interaction the last one on the right column or middle(depends if it counts both ur diseases when u burst) With this u will have a grat dmg and a lot of selfheal without doing anything just ur basic rotation.

[@Eliteninja007]

@rwvry we will see :D i plan to play sanlayn. Suffer well

[@BeyondKilling]

Frost dk has been crap for 6 years blizzard wtf

[@bmore21237]

It so funny that season after season, things that were really strong the next season became really weak for example the Aug evoker, was once in the God Tier and fell all the way down but one constant season after season in this damn DH. When will they fall off??

[@Yepbeef]

R.i.p warrior..

[@manthe3711]

This guy placed it in the A-tier. Seems solid?

[@Fillster]

@@manthe3711I don’t wanna go arms tho 😭

[@manthe3711]

@@Fillster There's this guy who streams Fury at up to 2600 MMR and helps players for free in arena. If he we can do it, you can too, just perservere and maybe ask a few tips: www.twitch.tv/picciowartv

[@Nanomachinesson9094]

@@Fillster Fury is still good with ravager build. I'm getting 3-4 wins per solo shuffle in 1900 bracket so far. I actually get less wins with arms.

[@iridiumvalkyrie9017]

Why do I love frost death knights punish me some more hahahaha

[@nikoladragicevic6306]

Nerf f rogues with 1000 stuns!!!F Blizard!!!!😡😡😡Nerf cc or dps!!!

[@Sentuhment]

Boomkin's s1 tier set was also buffed, so yeah, it's definitely god tier.

[@la7era1u54]

If Supa says they are god tier that means they are probably B tier. He is known Boomkin homer

[@Sentuhment]

@@la7era1u54 Nah, tier set is really strong with the buff and he's right about clone, it's the most powerful CC in the game.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

Lets get 2000s this season. Lets go Boomkins!!!

[@ziggs123]

The set is so overrated, wow you get a starsurge that does 20% more damage once. Season3 tierset was always more useful overall to enter eclipse fast and easy

[@zensei7685]

They need to fix DK, the class feels so weak and squishy now

[@jamesphilip1534]

Sigh .. hope they rework frost dk soon 😢

[@critshowcritner9103]

Supa, play disco priest the way it was meant to be played. All right side of the talent tree with dark arch and ultimate pen. All gas no brakes!!! Is it good…. It sucks but it’s fun 🤷‍♂️

[@eugenesternin6039]

Could you make a talent link please?

[@effortlessGFX]

Is that build full haste, yeah??

[@critshowcritner9103]

@@effortlessGFX I go some mastery but yeah more haste I think I’m at 30% rest mastery

[@d4gon380]

Its playable in 2v2 i make 2.1k whith Ass Rogue

[@StrobeFireStudios]

Windwalker is a disgusting nightmare to fight against. Most annoying class in the entire game.

[@Thomess1337]

GOOD MORNING GOOD AFTERNOON AND GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY

[@Brutaloris]

Ww monk is easy s tier

[@ScenOne]

does the meta really change this often or do like good players just switch classes because of boredom and cause the meta to change

[@Howdypartnerlol]

All classes can achieve duelist, around glad and up is where these changes truly make or break classes, but yes! Meta does change season to season based on stats mostly. Sometimes set pieces or talents but mainly stats

[@gandzsaman]

Need to see other tier lists as well, cuz on supa's tier list boomie is always S++++

[@issolol]

na boomy is meta currently its litteraly boomyflight every dh player went to boomie retarded op class

[@GetCommand]

My two mains. Warrior and DK both in the garbage can sadge

[@grogesy1344]

Hi, is this a NA Tier list?? I'm EU & this feel's different :). thanks for the great content though!!

[@cavalorthpoe]

??

[@alfordv1]

I hate that Frost DK is dead last, it's my fave spec in the game with the theme etc

[@berribubble]

Why do so many of your predictions receive heavy weight from how your end of season pushes went as opposed to what season 4 has changed, based on balance (disc priest?) and set bonus changes (windwalker), for example? I always enjoy your videos, but your ability to keep your parameters dialed in class to class, spec to spec, video to video, needs to get tightened up.

[@KurrieSauce]

not saying ur criticism is or isn't valid, but i appreciate that supa at least gives us his reasoning for it. I just came from watching Venruki's tier list and all he said for each spec was "yeah its really good" or "its not very good"; no explanation or anything lol.

[@AlunethMaster]

do tier list mean "if this spec is played perfectly" or they mean "how easy can it be to climb with this spec" what do u think

[@cascade1788]

Imo both, Boomie and DH defo climb easily and perform well at the top end... and Frost DK is pretty bad no matter how skilled you are. Love your content btw bro!

[@Nanomachinesson9094]

As always, Arms is better than Fury. When will they make fury good again? literally only class I love to play except Enhancement and Frost.. Man I miss playing frost. I'm still playing fury though. NEVER STOP PLAYING FURY.

[@strajke_ofc2487]

Just wait... Its been 10 years frost DK were worst of the worst the outcasts... Am sure something will soon happen to them will be S tier first time in history just wait I BELIVE KEKW

[@cranberryJOOSE]

I genuinely think resto druid has quite a high skill cap. Low rated ones struggle like heck.. They just die and cant swap HoTs etc. A lot of globals compared to other classes to be effective imo. Also, Assa rogue, easy to kill compared to other rogue specs.

[@ponds812]

I see the tierlist and im like. My dps still in que since season 1 😅

[@brunosouza4758]

Can we get a video talking about Bliz not giving PVPers the elite sets for reaching 1800 for the season xmog that the class is using

[@Titan.Fox56]

Yea they'll never do that cause they would have to do the same thing to Solo shuffle. Plus why are you crying about a transmog are you that sad? It does nothing for us it doesn't affect anyone's gameplay or anything. Bro your whole comment is LAUGHABLE. Game can die today guess what happens? EVERYTHING disappears......So instead of trying to limit what one part of pvp gets cause people HATE ARENAS why don't you just mind your business and play the dam game? hmm?

[@grantx6]

​@@Titan.Fox56you don't even understand his comment and it shows😂 clearly YOU hate arena and don't participate. It's ridiculous that we have 5 months to farm THE SAME TRANSMOG sets we just got last season. There is no new appearance. Of course the appearance MATTERs to the players. That's why people play alts in arena, to collect the appearance. You are clueless

[@memofreire]

​@@Titan.Fox56your a bot or something lol?

[@eugenesternin6039]

How is sp getting shit set ended up in A, but destro getting shit set - B?

[@towatchvids]

Marks hunters are absolutely dumb they can 100-0 most classes in 3 buttons.

[@Odinson69]

Resto is only as good as the lobby, and it's not S tier with all the classes now in every lobby that can purge hots

[@BreddoX]

what? where can i find the change that rogues cloak doesnt give evasion anymore? i cant find any pvp changes at all, anyone pls help me find this xd

[@jetfajita]

Watching this as blizzard extends maintenance 😂

[@zachlung6408]

Fucking bum company tbh

[@StrobeFireStudios]

Just the usual suspects, of course nothing really truly changes to mix up the meta

[@1122peti]

Charge stun bladestorme die 😂

[@aaronwonder2767]

solo shuffle killed pvp lol

[@BluuSkyz]

I haven't played retail since shadowlands and this helped me narrow down what to play.. I like my hybrids as it gives me the option to heal for raids/bgs or even arena but now I gotta choose between tree/boomy or resto/ele. I like ele more than boom and I like resto druid more then resto sham.

[@blaccout612]

Sham

[@thrillex7692]

Yo can you make a tier list for Cata for PvP

[@mykolaiakovliev5618]

wow your tier list is a joke, dh god tier? really? assa rogue not here? by press of 1 button all team dies in unhealable bleeding, ofc no why would you put rogue in top so it will somehow be nerfed) frost mages giving 130k dps when 2 melee training it oh that is probably A tier... SUREE... ah and no dr 15 roots in a row also ok . the only one that you hit correct is druid

[@johnknesek2503]

Supa, you dont HAVE to release these videos on the first say of the season. Not enough (if anything) has changed. Much of the logic on these classes is outdated. I cant reccomend this video for someone wanting a high yield piece of information. Its better to wait until you actually have an idea.

[@philippjost5292]

putting destrolock under spriest is kinda dellusional :-) sp is by far the hardest caster with arcane to play and is doing minus dps if you face rangekick classes

[@rl8073]

Hello Supatease, what comps would you recommend for ele shaman for 3v3, please and thank you!

[@MoltenMeta]

"i've played 15 hours a day for 5 days" When you add que times, thats like 8 games.

[@Toadiferous]

Outlaw has some pretty rough matchups, especially if there's a pally. And being worse against DH than the other rogues is a struggle. Also the Cloak of Shadows nerf hits it harder than the other two specs since it has to stay in combat more and really relied on that talent for dealing with hybrid specs. Between that nerf and the evasion CDR nerf it's gonna be way less tanky and more susceptible to bad matchups.

[@adammcneill7421]

3v3 comps next!

[@vikturus798]

Ret S tier like demon and drake?)and dh god tier?) omg )) u so funny dolbaeb)

[@Sumoboi1]

that had to be accidental putting destro lock near the bottom? the highest rated players in shuffle are destro locks, doing so in very few rounds?

[@plague6174]

hpal is getting their best tier of the xpac back being season 2, so. Prob hopefully A

[@Coheed420]

also heads up, yall don't have to do solo shuffle for vault anymore. you can just do BG Blitz for vault. so no more solo shuffle!

[@blaccout612]

I feel like people were scared fire mage would still be paying for its sins in shadowlands season one pvp… lol

[@christianclark8599]

weird, I notice arcane has gigantic 1 shot ability, frost is just the safe highest defense highest constant dmg with some burst, and fire has been hitting like a wet pillow this season. IDK what these dudes are doing to make it hit so hard, and im not a low rated player

[@indritmani1198]

Seksiness is back , fire mage 🧙🏼 on a tear rn im seeing 15-20 mil dmg in pet lobbies .

[@SoApost]

Tier list? ✅ Boomie S-tier? ✅ Supatease HYPEEEEE? ✅✅✅✅✅

[@Ilyena225]

def dont think DH is god tier tbh. one of the best but i think boomy/ret/assa are in the same tier

[@quizkill]

F for feral

[@mrbojangles6156]

You aren’t playing it correctly

[@jameskim1505]

F

[@catalystcorp]

mfw I cauterize every feral go 🐲🐉

[@plague6174]

@@mrbojangles6156 If even r1 feral players since Cata/MoP struggle to "play it correctly" in its current state right now, then everyone is also gonna struggle tenfold. That's how skill floors & caps work. Feral's is super deflated. Simply a designer issue. Don't gaslight people.

[@mrbojangles6156]

@@plague6174 I’m not saying it doesn’t need help but I’m damn near unkillable with frenzied regen unerfed. It’s a difficult class to master but it can be really good. I do think the damage changes coming in war within are going to make feral s tier if they go live like this

[@Eityhdz]

If they gave enhance ms and maybe mobility they’ll instantly enter the meta

[@WoWDontu]

Rdruid S tier after their bug fixes. Decent nerf.

[@RJ-hm8wc]

Another season, another rdudu meta. #freehpalas

[@Mrree250]

Demon huntard needs to b deleted from game

[@thatherton]

Where the f is the class tuning? They have just given up on PvP for the xpac haven’t they

[@grantx6]

No tuning, no new mogs, REUSED tier sets. 5 months to develop a new season. Beyond lazy no excuse. To add a single mount, that was most likely made in 15 mins, will be obtainable by a majority of players.. shows how little they care in reguards to pvp.

[@sryslyuguys]

Can you make a BG blitz tier list?

[@akool14u2]

😂😂

[@akool14u2]

😮

[@Iza92i]

Devoker, SPriest, Affli, Arms and WW def S Tier,

[@michaelroelant7134]

My MM hunter in the closet lol

[@xxtr0ckinit59xx7]

I was hearing destro lock was going S tier not demo. Or is that just in pve?

[@Vic-qp1gk]

Pve, in pvp, they're meh now. Losing rift reset hurts a lot. Now all they have is fast cb and predictable rift bomb

[@Telarius]

DH is A-tier right now but as it scales through gear it'll be S-tier again through damage output. The scaling will be insane.

[@eugenesternin6039]

Could you explain? I decided to try dh this season and it feels meh

[@Telarius]

@eugenesternin6039 essentially dh has 2 talents. One turns your mastery into (effect all spells) essentially. And the other gives you 80% of your critical chance as critical damage. Aka let's say you have 50% crit for hypothetical you'll have 40% more crit damage. Crit is base 50% dam increase in pvp. So now you have 90% more damage per crit. Youll stack more crit because #1 your mastery will dr too much. So crit will overtake it. Ontop of that. Crit effects the damage of your throw glaives. More or less. Once properly geared DH will scale hard.

[@StevenNeidlein]

​@@Telarius crit is nerfed by 50 % in pvp combat crit is garbage

[@issolol]

na dh just need 2 set bonus and this class will pump

[@dimesoul2020]

Really want disc to be ok but c tier is just above tanks

[@adammcneill7421]

Remember this is also solo shuffle! You can still push on any of these classes. Just watched a disc healing some 2700 3s and it looked super fun

[@iv9ry]

I feel like the participation is gonna be low for szn 4 with nothing new on the horizon outside of the 2100+ bracket most people under rival wont be in Q.

[@PiliFace]

MoP Remix won't be helping with dungeon or pvp Qs neither

[@grantx6]

Yeah. Literally no reason to que, stressful, toxic, lose games and people report you just bc. You're farming more reports than transmogs playing this szn. ONE mount reward. Laughable.

[@OGEETOMO]

D tier is for Disc

[@jameskim1505]

Fury War is trash

[@know_Name]

Make Warrior Great Again

[@nickgman3592]

Is warrior not great? I just hit 70 on warrior and did bgs the last couple days. I feel like they are pretty good but im not geared enough to know their potential.

[@HKono_]

Rotted warrior brain moment

[@Probablyafed]

@@nickgman3592geared arms with good trinks is amazing. Played one all season both pvp and pve it was top dps.

[@Roachehh]

Warrior one of the strongest class shut up lol

[@shaneprince6572]

warrior is incredibly good stfu

[@Icybluechill]

Disc just got a healing buff in pvp with atonement. For season 4, in the patch notes

[@alexleonhappytraining474]

Still doesn't change anything. If you as a healer need to stand still and hard cast all the time, that means you are eating all the ccs there is. Also Disc does not have a solid cc combo. All other healers can do some sort of ranged micro cc + long cc combo, for example holy can stun + fear, monk can paralyze + sweep, druid can stun+clone. Disc is the only one that you'll have to basically walk into the target's face in order to cc. That is pretty bad and even exaggerates the exposure problem. Walking out and eat cc, or just sit there an see the other healer do all the ccs they what. Hard situation.

[@markk.8485]

Still an ass specc

[@shaneprince6572]

@@alexleonhappytraining474 Disc is top healer rn statistically in solo. I swapped Holy and im thinking about swapping back. I was expecting disc to suck.

[@loyalsandman]

Feral is god tier

[@mrbojangles6156]

I think the problem is so many people that try to play feral just don’t understand that hit and run play style. It’s going the absolutely insane in war within.

[@loyalsandman]

@mrbojangles6156 yeah, it has a different play style. The statistics show feral is god and even top players are saying it's really good.

[@paulo8301]

A virgin forum vote just killed destruction warlock

[@catalystcorp]

The virgin forum vote vs the chad destruction warlock

[@issolol]

i voted too while im not playing destro :D

[@kinggoddavid5104]

Another solid vid very insightful!

[@OGMikadika]

I love how obviously at this point Supa wants immolation Aura Dispel removed form the game, even though its a niche talent pick. Like I get its strong within the niche, but its really is only strong when A Fire Inside is Meta.

[@angrygun7826]

nah that shit is bs, not as bad as hunter craven in SL but just as cringe

[@OGMikadika]

@@angrygun7826 Only cringe if you're a lover of cancerous range instant roots. Otherwise every DoT class has freaking dispel protection at this point.

[@shaneprince6572]

@@OGMikadika DH doesnt need it. they have every other tool in the game.

[@OGMikadika]

@@shaneprince6572 Yea they do, specially when you account for War Within.

[@sillwigler]

Good job😊

[@Meeshka24]

Hey gg we beat you in AB, this is Meeshkå the boomy

[@FCBcubano]

The probablem with boomy. Is that its more a or b because out casters are stronger. Once trained boomy dies bc of how squishy we are. Also try blood in pvp its really fun and surprisingly decent outside of rbg thats guardian lol

[@Miketyphinsleftknee]

Your opinion was valid til you mentioned playing a tank in arena

[@maciejbrodecki9667]

As always out of touch

[@TheWrightDev916]

Out of touch with what?

[@maciejbrodecki9667]

@@TheWrightDev916 Holy Priest in the same tier with R Shaman, Destru and Feral in B and few more. Overall I learned one thing after watching AWC. If he says team A is going to win then it's almost sure team B wins. Skill-capped tier list is way better

[@shaneprince6572]

About to stop playing disc at this point. We've been shit for 3+ months with no buffs. Literally no comp besides rmp will take us. Holy is boring af .

[@mrbojangles6156]

Just go play bgs and be immortal lol.

[@shaneprince6572]

rwvry Only care about 3v3 bro