SEAT Arona vs VW T-Roc vs Citroen C3 Aircross 2019 review - small SUV group test | What Car?

[@joselacosta]

This is among the first (and hardest) reviews I've found on the web about Citroen's Aircross, strange how so many others are praising it, quite a contrast with the recent awards: 2018 Carbuyer-Best Small SUV and AUTOBEST “Best Buy Car of Europe” 2018...

[@rafaelsousa8478]

T-Roc "slightly more expensive" is one hell of an understatement. In Portugal, the C3 Aircross starts at roughly 16 000 euro. The T-Roc however, starts at 23 000 euro AND still has hard plastics all over the place. Ridiculous!

[@georgealex19]

List prices in Romania seem to sustain this... BUT, also have in mind that the list price is never the sell price, you usually can get a deal or more that substantially reduce the price of the car. From experience, you can shave about 2000-2500 euros from the VAG group, plus any government incentives (another 1400 euros here for most motors). The Citroen lineup, unfortunately is not really that competitive, as if you want a decent spec'd car, you must upgrade to the mid-spec at least. If you want the turbocharged engine, you must also buy the automatic and although the engine may be worth the extra 1k, the automatic is certainly not worth the money (sadly). Try to configure both cars, actually contact a dealership for each and you may have a surprise :) Regards!

[@81giorikas]

@@georgealex19 In greece the arona has no competition. Even if it was the same list price (which, they are not) the minute you want to finance the t-roc becomes around 10% more expensive. Whoever looks at the citroen buys the citroen. Whoever looks at the t-roc buys something cheaper (seat, or skoda kamiq if it will be cheaper or even the t-cross) or better (qashqai, kadjar, pretty much same money). The t-roc is not a sensible buy.

[@nelsonmarques1334]

I'm Portuguese, and I'll probably buy the aircross. With their renting option, it will cost around 8000€ for 3 years. That is a great value. The T-cross, with the same renting conditions will cost a tad over 13000€. And it's for the most basic level, with no option, and steel wheels. It's an absurd. The C3 might not be the best car to drive, but it's primarily for the wife commute to work, take kids to school and one or another weekend trip. I test drove it, and it's more than capable

[@garethtalbot8950]

1.5tsi dsg T-Roc in Ireland with our double tax is around 43k euros depending on options. Delivery times up in the air.

[@jackvickers1124]

I would definitely say the C3 aircross is best for the money!

[@amoddedblueteslap100d7]

Nah the seat is!!

[@amoddedblueteslap100d7]

Seat is amazing for it's price

[@cochespremium3457]

Citroen is the best

[@dantebg100]

Are you serious? What a peace of shit

[@jayrogers4775]

As for the Citroen having the least head and knee room, all other group reviews say it has the most.

[@tomheard7844]

C3 aircross for me

[@poplaurentiu4148]

Now is the 2018 Dacia Duster best off-roader small affordable SUV, otherwise if money are no concern and more lux is necessary Volvo XC40.. (>_< )

[@q3b26]

I've ordered a XC40! It actually works out WAY cheaper than the T-Roc. It's £3000 more to buy and that's a R-Design Pro with loads of options against the SEL, but with free servicing, lower monthly payments and it being worth much more in 3 years time it's the smart decision.

[@MIMthegreat]

It's trash. A french design with french quality and french gearbox: 4 backwards, 1-2 forwards xD

[@jayrogers4775]

Similar price !!!!! I was shopping for one of these and the similar spec T-roc was 5 thousand more than the Citroen ! 16k vs. 21k. Volkswagen refused to discount, Citroen knocked thousands off the price without blinking.

[@dantebg100]

Because Citroen is shit. )

[@94Coelho]

thats because the T-Roc is a tier above the c3 aircross. Check the T-Cross starting price ;)

[@HgHg-yp6ft]

@@94Coelho Nope, even according to this ridiculous review is obviously in the very same tier as the cars goes. Agree about the price though.

[@94Coelho]

@@HgHg-yp6ft the competitor to the Arona and C3 aircross is the VW T-Cross. The T-Roc is a tier above, going against the likes of the Nissan Qashqai, Renault Kadjar ou even the Seat Ateca.

[@tonystone7152]

@@dantebg100 No it isnt

[@cameron4907]

Where I live you can buy a top spec Citroen for that same price as the entry level T-Roc

[@nenaduskokovic9214]

Citroen is little bit uncomfortable? You may say anything You want but Citroen’s comfort is unquestionable.

[@jasewest]

I think you’ve missed the point of the C3 Aircross

[@seratonia1]

I'm looking at the c3.……such mixed reviews

[@bagovidovic]

Everybody thats commenting here dont seem to understand that the T-roc is actually the best of those three cars... But thats because its not in the same class as the c3 and Arona !!!! VW announced that they will be making a rival to those two and is called the T-cross... so this review is basically pointless...

[@frankopanklaric]

T-cross would be a better comparison with those 2. The T-roc is should be compared to a c4 cactus and alteca.

[@iain8837]

7:15 The Arona boot is 400 litres, the Golf is 380, yet the Arona can carry almost as many shopping bags as a VW golf. Can you explain this statement?

[@norwegianzound]

The Citroen may depreciate heavily in the UK because of anti French sentiment, but in Spain it doesn't. So it is defo the best value due to its low starting and high finishing price after 3 years

[@titouchose6534]

Well, at least in France, I don't feel we have an anti English sentiment, which could make up for the anti French one in some weird way. Anyway I'm off topic and waaaaay late on this one.

[@markheywood8236]

You've essentially tested a Polo against a Golf and chucked in a C3 to make up the numbers. Guess what? The Golf won. Who could have guessed?

[@henkdonners8353]

What a car the C3, !!!!!!! If you want to drive a car with pleasure. Don"t make the mistake to choice another one. Cheap and have alle you wish. Only for people who likes all that things what we never use in our life, take an other car. May be a Lexus or Lamborghini. Or Ferrari is also a good one , if you have the money.

[@moviemetropolis]

Appallingly biased towards VAG cars. I almost feel sorry for the Citroen. It’s hardly a “faff” changing the air con or temperature in the C3. It’s a simple prod of a couple of buttons.

[@vladonikolchev]

Shouldn't you compare T-Cross (not T-Rock) against these two models? Because SEAT Arona is based on SEAT Ibiza, and VW T-Rock is based on VW Golf, not on VW Polo. Not very fair to compare Ibiza with Golf - you should compare it to Polo. And because T-Cross is based on Polo I believe it's more logical to compare Arona vs. T-Cross (and Ateca vs. T-Rock). Then everything comes to a place: SEAT models are better than VW.

[@craigstark567]

I do feel this review was a bit unfair, as the T roc stands on a platform on the level above the Arona so it’s obviously going to be bigger and better. I would like to see this review again with the new Polo based SUV the T Cross when it comes out later on his year. Having said that it was an excellent review on all three cars.

[@STARBOY-hv8mq]

VW cars are world number one French cars bad

[@danielrussell446]

Yes I agree Craig it would have been the t cross against those two cars

[@mcihs2]

Disagree with this review, bought the C3 Aircross, cheap, comfy, easy to drive, lots of room for the family. Still enjoy driving it, either around town, or on motorways. VW are too expensive for what they are, and the drive is a bit underwhelming. I do like SEAT’s, but not as comfortable as the Citroen. In addition I didn’t pay anything like as much as quoted in this video.....

[@Sherukka]

The Citroen is the best of these!

[@lukemuller876]

Sherukka is this a joke? The Citroën Looks like a cube on wheels!

[@Sherukka]

Luke Müller It has character, the others lack a soul.

[@b.b1455]

Eerst beter hollands leren zijn = is . T-Roc das auto.!

[@Youtube..Enjoyer]

Bé Bulk ze praten engels

[@MIMthegreat]

It's trash. A french design with french quality and french gearbox: 4 backwards, 1-2 forwards xD

[@cmagennis927]

I love how What Car find all these flaws in cars that aren’t VW Group cars that no other car reviewers find. Marek Drives, Top Gear and Auto Express all love the C3 Aircross yet What Car’s biased reviews once again shines through since their linked to the VW Group.

[@robking6968]

ARDMHACHA308 Well said! So biased towards the VW Group it's unreal. How the Peugeot 3008 didn't win the mid size 4x4 category is laughable at this year's car of the year edition as the Skoda beats it apparently. Yet the Peugeot 5008 beats the Skoda Kodiaq, they just make it up as they go! VW Group all dull.

[@joaolima16]

True!! The part that they say it is the cheaper on the long run is ridiculous...the car just came out, how do they know if it is reliable lol

[@manuelgabriel4571]

Lol citroens usually aren't reliable

[@xnick007]

just look at that citroen. it's terrible, I wouldn't come close to it.

[@macraghnaill3553]

@@manuelgabriel4571 I have 10 year old C3 from new, no problems with it, my neighbour has a 12 year old C3, again no problems with it

[@krimizakis1992]

You took the FR version of the Arona with 18' wheels and stiffer suspension and you say it does not ride as good and it is noisier too... why not just go for the excellence then? Overall review not so good.

[@obigrumpywankenobi3204]

The Seat and VW are not just "slightly more expensive" they are way more expensive than the citron C3, I think this review is a Joke

[@Tom-uk2ow]

Citroen uber alles... Who looking sport driving will buy diferent type of car...

[@hugh1355]

Bought the Arona and getting up to 51 mpg after only 350 miles of a 1500 full run in estimate. can only improve..stop start no problem either on a six speed manual.

[@supaadupaa4963]

Is that the same place where CARWOW is recording their videos?

[@MrBoohooboy]

Can’t wait to pick up my T roc

[@fabriceduchenne7237]

VW SUV Compact T-Roc for me & Thank You So Much 🚗

[@DP-rb7mf]

Long live Citroen, its beautiful designs and supreme suspensions. This review is biased to the bone!

[@Commentator541]

Citroen is sooo much cheaper and the most spacious one, and has a sliding rear seat. VW and Seat are just pointless when you can get a Skoda Koroq for less money, and it's basically the same car inside and out. Don't be fooled by the stated prices, VW are always bare bones, even in higher trim levels, and options cost is astronomical.

[@g00dfeeling]

Really like that Citroën. VW and Seat are so dull.

[@b.b1455]

Barbie auto leuk?

[@g00dfeeling]

Bé Bulk maybe, but definitely not for peasants

[@xnick007]

I bet you wear a clown suit, other clothes must be too dull for you

[@g00dfeeling]

xnick007 I bet you're some clerk wearing uniform whole life.

[@q3b26]

I've driven all three, the Citroen certainly got more looks, the 1.2 130ps engine is fantastic but it has a horrible clutch and gearbox which makes it incredibly difficult to drive slowly but very easy to drive fast if it wasn't for the long gear throws and uncomfortable gear knob. I also found the infotainment VERY slow, the screen was quite dim and low res even android auto looked pretty bad on it and the rear windows were auto down but not auto up which confused me. For some reason Citroen decided to put in shallow cup holders in a form of a removable tray that sits in front of the gear stick, too shallow to hold a tall can, too close to the gear stick to be of any use in 1st, 3rd or 5th gears. Other than those personal deal-breakers, it was the comfiest, the biggest, the most practical, biggest boot, most headroom, 40/20/40 split seats, passenger seat folded flat too for longer items.

[@NAKMUAYACADEMY]

Is c3 aircross as good as C4 or dacia duster?

[@eamonnmcdermott1939]

Mazda CX-3!

[@MillieonaVespa]

Eamonn McDermott my thoughts exactly,!!

[@MrsZambezi]

@@MillieonaVespa No, the CX3 is poor.

[@michaelpullen8527]

Also you consider it difficult to use the infotainment screen. How hard is it to press up or down to adjust temperature, if you require radio press music icon, if you require navigation,press the compass symbol. You guys ....lost for words.

[@ninozebec5740]

I am getting more and more frustrated with british car reviews, mostly as it is absolutely irrelevant which cars they test, the results will always be the same. There are only two (luxury brands excluded) brands that will get a british presenter's seal of approval. VW (and all related brands of the VAGinal connection) and for some unexplainable reason Ford. Everything else is by proxy crap, or faulty. It is beyond me how and why this is the case. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but honestly the eyes of the VW beholder suffer from a serious illness. Most cars are as original as a home apliance, with the exception of the Scirocco and the Beatle, which were both canceled due to (ironicly) not being in compliance with the "family design"??. The interior is (wel built granted) but as dull as ditch water, or full of colors (T-ROC and Polo), my personal oppinion is that in both cases it is "less is less" and to much is also "less". Lot's of people seem to like it, but i doubt they really love it. The mytihcal reliability is unfortunately only a myth nowadays. 2.0 TDIs are exploding, 1.2 tsis are breaking chains (not in a revolutionary way), Dry clutch DSG on 1.2 and 1.4 are as reliable as a chinese handmade watch. But i have to addmit, the residual value is pretty amazing. I have to say, that the T-ROC does not look bad at all, but pricevise can not be compared to the Citroen. And than we get to the Ford. On the outside they mostly look ok, but it seems that they take the inspiration for interior design in 10+ year old korean cars. They drive fine, that ist t true, but the overall product feels like it hasn't been finished yet, and considering the price... In the town i live there is a car dealer which is selling Fords, Hyundais and Subarus. 15 or so years ago people came to buy a Ford, and browsed the Hyundais, today is the other way around, and you can't blame them. And it's not like Hyundais are cheaper, they aren't at all, but ill take the Tuscon over the Kuga anytime.

[@CampervanJon]

Do you still have Vauxhall in UK not seen many reviews

[@Ubinnhad]

Yes we do. Peugeot Citroen now own them.

[@livc444111]

Sponsored by VW.

[@b.b1455]

Ja als vw wint is het gesponsord ,zielige reactie,vw is gewoon veel meer auto dan zo'n barbie c3

[@livc444111]

I don't speak Dutch but I assume you are saying the VW is great and you don't like Citroen

[@AhmedBadr-hm8xt]

T roc best for me

[@michaelpullen8527]

What a total load of **** Obviously sponsored by the VW group. If you actually was to live with each car and had to buy and trade in with your own money you would face reality. I’m 64 married and we both drive, I’m 6’2 my wife is 5’2 we carry grandchildren everywhere. In 18 months we have covered 22000 miles. We have had not one fault , not one rattle and is probably one of the nicest cars we have ever owned. The 6 speed gearbox is now as smooth as silk and in no way notchy! It leaves other cars standing and brakes top notch. I have left Fiestas standing and it cruises at speeds you probably should not. When buying Golfs in the past the trade in prices have been laughable as have Fords. I have had more cars than I can remember and this C3 aircross flair 130hp and dealership has been the best experience ever. PS, I also had a Caymen for 4 years and still enjoy jumping in the aircross. Before watching this video I knew instinctively what you were going to choose.

[@Stevieweevietv]

I'm tired of these reviews constantly praising VW/seat/Skoda and dissing others. I find the VW and Seat incredibly bland. I'd choose the C3 Aircross everytime over those others

[@Massfusion81]

That's because they're better cars. Buy a French car and get AA roadside assist as standard 😀

[@Stevieweevietv]

@@Massfusion81 that's a sweeping statement. I've had french cars before numerous times and not once broken down. Id rather go for something different than bland. 😊

[@Massfusion81]

@@Stevieweevietv well we're all entitled to our opinions. Just look at the reliability rating for Peugeot's for instance. Seem to remember one of their models cutting out unexpectedly, some in lane 3 of a motorway. I'll take bland and reliable German engineered than flamboyant , rubber sided French that have the temperament of the French Rugby team.

[@macraghnaill3553]

@@Massfusion81 I have had French cars for decades as they are so reliable, I had my previous Citroen for 7.5 years and the present one for over 7.5 years and no intention of trading it in yet

[@koltpl]

tbh if you want to spec up t-roc to highest arona trim you need to pay waaaaay more money

[@jamiep61]

Great Video Group Test. My choice would be the Volkswagen T-Roc

[@jamiepolson]

Weird group , t roc is from class ( size ) above, t cross is more similar......

[@ibbest123]

C3 is the best Original. Comfortable. Nice to look at. You people are obsessed with backbreaking german cars. Not to mention their overpriced plastics.

[@swanblake]

What a sad offering that VW T Roc is. That asking price is not inline to what you get

[@talitubi101]

still would get it, instead of the other 2, oops.

[@swanblake]

Joeri Leeuwen really? I mean I guess to each there own. I like money

[@NicoGrech]

After reviewing several cars in the same segment, I went for a full top spec 1.5 T-Roc R-Line, cost 41,000 euro but the car looks and drives like a dream.

[@georgealex19]

I don't know, I kinda' like the T-Roc. Almost would of considered it, but if you actually spec it, you'd be better off just going for the Tiguan...

[@NicoGrech]

I considered that but a Tiguan with full extras comes close to 60k euro, plus I don't like the back side of the Tiguan so there's also that :/

[@krisdenton3128]

I'd have the seat any day as my daily drive and I'd keep to our vw touran for the family, great video I really like that you compared the boot sizes as that a big thing some leave out

[@MeowstersTeskat]

Totally bias review again. You should be called 'What VW?'

[@sulebello6285]

lovely this is fine good looking car you are okay keep it up

[@Moisi547]

Great comparison video

[@jezstokes8592]

Wish they would say how many mpg they get on test - Govt mpg figures are meaningless

[@davidpearn5925]

In Australia it’s all about Mazda superiority and in Britain it’s VW. Utterly predictable.

[@S98-p3e]

Great review...good job guys!

[@sebastiandelsolar1]

Lol

[@S98-p3e]

@@sebastiandelsolar1 why are you mocking me😂😂😂lol

[@hsvcommodore4111]

BTW, The t Roc is 1 Segment Above The Other 2, it's a Golf suv. The Others are The size of The Polo!

[@michaelforeman8135]

Good review. Whilst manufacturers have constantly improved technology, car seats appear to be chosen on the basis of the cheapest possible. I don't see why this should be the case as to provide an extending thigh support for taller drivers taking pressure off of the base of the spine and lumbar support should not be that expensive comparatively. I think that these issues should be given higher weighting in the What Car evaluations, and models without adequate seat adjustment and configuration marked down.

[@ioanniskyriakopoulos9096]

Has anyone noticed that the 6speed gearbox of Citroen c3 aircross is about 3-4 cm far to the front? I mean that when you put the 4th is where you would had a zero speed in a different car. I bought a c3 aircross and this is the only disadvantage i see. I have to straight up my hand in order to put the 3rd or 5th.

[@tatoum9743]

Seat Arona and T Roc are the same car from same VW group :-0 The C3 is more a family car ...

[@b.b1455]

Wat ziet die c3 er zielig uit vergeleken met de T-roc misschien iets duurder maar veel meer auto.

[@LinicSinisa]

How come that only for you C3 has smallest seating space. go a bit trough youtube to se other reviews.

[@leolevosky7744]

This is a great review but please can we have the same sort of review of the Karoq, Ateca and Tiguan?

[@jackhone8702]

T roc and arona are the same

[@CB-RADIO-UK]

Bit unfair as not all the same tier. Should have tested a T-cross and not a T-roc. If the T-Cross was out at the time.

[@selindenizcebi9952]

But T-Roc is one class above. İt is not fair to compare them...

[@sashbar]

VW is not one class above SEAT. Only if you judge by the badge. In all other aspects the cars are pretty similar, same engines, same platform, same info, same bells and whistles. Different suspension and steering tuning, different configurations, but it is the same class. More than that, it is the same car. But the badge plays a huge role, I agree. Most people would prefer VW entirely for the badge. The only thing that depreciates slower in these cars is the VW badge.

[@selindenizcebi9952]

Alexander Baranov seat arona is in the same class with the vw T-Cross, not with T-Roc. İ mean that, T-Roc is Golf class car. İ didn’t mention the badge, eventhough seat is literally one class below in terms of quality. Got it!!!!!!

[@MsSashbar]

​@@selindenizcebi9952 :) I had a Leon, a Golf, a Polo and now drive SEAT Ateca. I have been driving VAGs for over 20 years. There used to be a bigger difference 20 years ago, now It is the same quality. Golf always was a very polished car, but so is Leon these days, it drives as well if not better. Same mechanically, similar materials, same body/paint quality, same knobs, same buttons, same infotainment, same ABS, same ESP, same Stop/Start, same KESSY, well, even keys are same. Same power, cruise control, same sat nav, same LEDs, same camera, same line assist, same oil pump, same engine, same transmission, same everything to the last bolt. Same reliability. Same problems. VW is sometimes better equipped, but you just need to go foe the higher spec SEAT and you will get pretty much all that for the same money. VW drives softer, SEAT is firmer and more agile. That's it. The interiors are different but it is the matter of taste. It is the same car. You can add Skoda here. These are all very good cars. The main difference is the image, i.e. the badge. If you want one class above go for Audi. There you will find more powerful engines, different transmission, a lot of aluminium instead of steel underneath, upmarket interior etc et. That is what I call a different class. SEAT, VW and Skoda are same class cars.

[@selindenizcebi9952]

Sashbar Now you maybe right...

[@johnbardsley6880]

Is that Aircross on same chassis as the C3 supermini? I test drove one of those last year and it was god awful. Bought a Fiesta instead

[@macraghnaill3553]

Citroen are built for comfort not racing, I found Fords and Vauxhall to be unreliable although nice to drive Both Citroens and Renault have been reliable and comfortable except for the Captur as it has hard seats

[@robking6968]

Surely the T-Roc is classed as a bigger rival than these two! Another VW Group biased result for Whatcar

[@ACS607]

Looks like VW are going to have a saturated SUV range when the new T Cross comes out to rival the Arona. Will we theoretically see a group test with both the T Cross and T roc in it?

[@mariolosberg4257]

Seat look's the best... t roc is boring , overpriced with hard plastic interior..

[@galloping5273]

Genuinely one of the best comparison reviews i have seen. WhatCar have definitely upped their game...let's hope this continues to other videos.

[@kernowgirl53]

Great review. The Citroen is not very attractive though.

[@tuyjoalafiesta]

You should definitely review your facts first. This is probably the most biased review I have seen for small SUVs with so much hate for a French car. And why put Arona and T-Roc in a 3 way comparison when they are from the same VW group? Bring in a Korean car, maybe, diversify things a little bit.

[@gabrielcaramet3238]

The t roc is to expensive I will save money end get the seat

[@Grant0610]

I thought SEAT are supposed to be the sporty, Spanish flair part of VW Group? The Arona is so dull and did I hear him mention scratchy plastics in the VW? They are EVERYWHERE!! So cheap looking. Not a huge fan of the C3 either but there is bias here!

[@keveb4724]

Not exactly fair since SEAT is part of the Volkswagen/Audi Group. 2 against 1 and for some reason they weren't being unbiased either

[@michaelsimpkins5178]

Can't we tell tell that What Car is a German Fanboy. How much did they pay you !

[@OscarLeeMX]

Very clear and concise review! Good job!

[@deanjroberts1970]

That VW has a really shitty interior. Plastics are so hard and cheap!

[@tonystone7152]

Crap review - I have an aircross and its gear change is perfectly fine

[@EinkOLED]

Good review guys, very comprehensive and unbiased.

[@Glajdar]

What Car is always biased towards French cars......

[@blankslate6393]

Citroen C3 Aircross gear shift is just obsenely vague. The same goes, for the sterring which seems to be in a potato bag. Also the stop-start is just dumb. I had one as a rental car for a week and hated it to the core. A typical French car: funky outide and junky inside.

[@dzonibravo7867]

As I can see, in England is totally normal to compare cheap and expensive cars by the same standards? Are you corrupted or disonest I can't decide?

[@ilovecars2558]

Where's the Hyundai Kona?

[@hsvcommodore4111]

Rubish verdict!

[@jannewborg2083]

I think this is a bit of a joke. What do these guys now about cars.

[@denirebic5769]

Volkswagen is just absurd, why would you spend 5-10k euros more for Tiguan, T-Roc, when you can get Arona, Ateca or Karoq, Kodiak wich are all basically the same car. Its just stupid. xD

[@elizabethtaylor9321]

Don’t buy the aircross, mine is year old had two recalls , is still in at Arnold Clark Aberdeen, they are another waste of space, terrible after sales service , they should have kept the c3 Picasso , second recall is for airbag wiring fault , have had to strip out the dash , don’t know when I will get it back. Bloody Arnold Clark won’t give me courtesy car, cheapskate bastards..

[@jpch8814]

It is funny how people live in denial lol The T-roc is clearly the better vehicle at everything, the others only win in term of price.

[@philipscott724]

That Citroen is hideously ugly

[@haikuancheoh2418]

DOOM! first

[@madlfcdc5890]

A biased review based on brand snobbery. There are other videos that give more balanced and accurate reviews than this one. What Car are an elitist outfit that make people pay for their so-called superior reviews. Total waste of space.

[@voldemarsozols131]

t-roc PLASTIK.

[@ellhem4016]

Citroen is soooo ugly ahahahahaha

[@chongbishop7281]

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