Sebastian Shaw isn't Sebastian Shaw - X-Men: First Class

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X-Men: First Class is a treasure and Kevin Bacon's Sabastian Shaw is an excellent villain for the film. Buuuuut he isn't really the Sebastian Shaw from the comics. So let's break down the nine other characters that make up First Class' Sebastian Shaw.
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[@jwall1646]

Darwin shouldn’t have been in the movie if they were gonna do him like that.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

I agree

[@Original7_BD]

Couldn't agree more.

[@cadekachelmeier7251]

Darwin isn't Darwin.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I was expecting him to come back, since his powers seem to be a Get Out Of Jail card for this, but no, they killed him. *sigh*

[@tripttwe]

It was bad. The only thing that can save it is if he returned later like he did in Deadly Genesis. He won't get the chance now.

[@laxrulz7]

Killing Darwin really upset me at the time and has only made me MORE annoyed as the years have gone by

[@blaxpoitation8528]

Facts. Same here. Just solidified how Fox didn’t know how to handle the X-Men franchise.

[@acutefailure1]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this exact way.

[@redgiant7747]

Nando’s on a one man mission to expose every movie villain ever, starting with marvel.

[@alexknight81]

@@reidwithoutacause oh wow really?! Who would have thought that a youtuber wants his videos to be viewed?! There's just no way man!

[@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688]

@@alexknight81 Yeah no way!!!!!!!!!!

[@simonegreco1958]

how can he go about "every movie villain ever". This only applies to adaptations

[@redgiant7747]

@@simonegreco1958 He’s Nando. He VS movies. He’ll find a way. Have faith.

[@oops6876]

Cause he’s Kevin Bacon, Obviously.

[@hunterkiller1440]

Of course, Sebastian Shaw is the actor who played Anakin Skywalker in Return of the Jedi.

[@kurtwagner350]

Yeah he was great as Winter soldier

[@catthulhu553]

my next video essay title is: “Nandi isn’t Nando - KZbin: Nando v Movies “

[@meduimrareberries5888]

Nando is Mephisto, confirmed.

[@frick_____you]

They should have just made Shaw Mr. Sinister instead. And then not killed him. Maybe Magneto puts a penny right through his head. And we think he's gone. Then, after the end credits; we just see a room full of Sinisters; in tanks. And one of them opens their eyes. Then they could have killed Sinister AND saved him for later movies.

[@tripttwe]

Perfect moment for the forehead diamond!!! Wow.

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

That would have been awesome, honestly they should do that more with comic book film villains since their reoccurring nature is a big part of the comics, but there's really only a handful of villains in both the Fox X-Men films and especially the MCU films that actually last more than one film, and that really needs to change.

[@tripttwe]

@@tomtudorweaver1078 agreed

[@mawinstallation6626]

@@tomtudorweaver1078 Phase 4 really wants to mantain its villains, or that's what it seems.

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

@@mawinstallation6626 I mean we're getting Kang, Doctor Doom and Mephisto (probably) as well as all the Spider-Man villains they've done so far (Mysterio probably isn't dead) and I think all of them would make for great reoccurring villains.

[@robboyte1101]

Next video: "Justin Hammer isn't Justin Hammer." Do it, Nando. I dare you ! I TRIPLE-DOG DARE you !!

[@deanscordilis7280]

Rob created a slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple dare and going right for the throat!

[@BozheTsaryaKhrani]

He has to do it now

[@avashihteyaz4542]

Well, he isn't. Justin Hammer in the comics is a scheming evil old guy who is extremely smart, even his evil plans have evil plans, nothing like the God's perfect idiot we saw in the movie. Justin Hammer in the movie is more similar to Morgan Stark and Tiberius Stone from comics.

[@projekttaku1]

no way you just did a triple dog dare!

[@GeahkBurchill]

@@deanscordilis7280 well _I_ got your reference, Dean, even if others didn’t.

[@Timewarpiaman]

In the comics Darwin does explode like he does in this film BUT it's later revealed that he didn't explode rather he became pure energy as it was the only means of survival and I was determined that THIS is what they'd do with Darwin in the X-Men films and it never happened. I only hope Darwin is put on the main X-Men team in the MCU to make up for this crime #JusticeForDarwin

[@curator_z]

Personally, I was holding out for an end-credit scene of him rebuilding himself from a single cell, and that glimpse of him turning grey/silver before he blew up was permanent - giving him the comic look! And then they didn't do that, and I realized that the flash of comic accurate look he got before he died was just the filmmakers being unnecessarily cruel 😑

[@Timewarpiaman]

@@curator_z Yeah that was just salt on the wound. They didn't get any of the characters and it showed whenever they had minor X-Men characters, like Spike is credited as Kid Omega and one of the Ravagers is credited as Psylocke in the credits for Last Stand.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

I think you missed one. Shaw's inability to be hurt by anything but having a glaring weakness to psychic attacks that he needs to protect against with a helmet fits Juggernaut to a tee.

[@Threesom666]

yea that doesnt make sense to me and he is strong yet he somehow cant defeat professor X easily, and cant just completely knockout Magneto to a point that even if he does take the helmet off Magneto wont up to do anything?

[@faith4657]

@@Threesom666 he wanted him on his side

[@faith4657]

Seriously dude, kinetic energy absorption is pretty broken

[@erichludwig2095]

"They're the Planet Express crew of the Mutant world" Our crew is replaceable, your X-Men villain isn't!

[@HeresorLegacy]

Though Darwin didn't die in the comics, he went incorpereal after his conflict with Vulcan, right after his introduction. So you might say that Shaw is also Vulkan, because he brought Darwin closer to death than anyone else?

[@avashihteyaz4542]

I guess Krakoa also fits the bill, as Darwin was supposedly killed in his first mission in Krakoa, until we learned that he survived.

[@alexanderbyrne9684]

And Movie Shaw and Vulcan have similar abilities, albeit at very different levels

[@internationalfailure9997]

Nando isn't Nando He's a mix of thirty two different online movie reviewers

[@TheAntiburglar]

I was LITERALLY ABOUT TO DO THIS XD

[@robboyte1101]

Don't you mean... fifty-two? 😉

[@brianbaggett3299]

In early drafts of the script, the villain was supposed to be Mr. Sinister so that's why it feels so much like it should've been Mr. Sinister ... because originally it was.

[@GenerationWest]

1. The villain mentioned is Unus the Untouchable, he's one of the first X-Men villains in the 60's. He can make a small force field around himself (I know this because I read my X-Men encyclopedia like the bible). 2. Number 8 is hilarious, because that act was a punishable crime. 3. Magneto's theme in First Class will always rule.

[@ExeErdna]

Unus had on THE saddest stories and honestly showed one of the earliest nuances with the Brotherhood in The Blob. Since he was the only one able to resist Unus' force fields. He died because his fields were so powerful they pushed away the air itself.

[@linemanpeaches8409]

I have the feeling that this video was made to just talk about how cool Mr. Sinister is in the comics and why he should appear in a movie

[@JesseGolo]

I guess the message is, Mr. Sinister should be in an X-men movie.

[@peterstangl8295]

And kinda actually have been in one, apparently.

[@jeb1691]

Definitely agree with "the black guy dies first" segment. I love Mathew Vaughn, but why? Studio intervention probably.

[@Dagenspear]

He didn't die first altogether, as far as characters go, but he was the first team mutant in the movie to die first. Why would it have to be intervention?

[@GSlice37]

@@Dagenspear he's the first major character to die tbh

[@margaretlee5929]

Huh? Weird and bizarre comment. Studio intervention?

[@josebravo3533]

You should do " William Stryker isn't William Stryker"

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah and mystique isn’t mystique as well

[@davidbjacobs3598]

Yeah, he's more like that Friends of Humanity guy, Graydon Creed I think was his name. And of course he runs Weapon X so he's........ wait, who runs Weapon X? Although his origin with his son is somewhat comparable to Reverend Stryker, and his plan is very similar.

[@mawinstallation6626]

He's half-William-Stryker

[@josebravo3533]

@@davidbjacobs3598 I was thinking of folks like Professor Hudson, Abraham Cornelius or Ultimate John Wraith

[@srstriker6420]

@@davidbjacobs3598 and also Professor Thornton the head of Weapon X

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

I was actually re-watching this film recently and during that opening scene between Shaw and young Eric it hit me, that's totally a Mister Sinister scene.

[@kieran10202]

The X villain I want to appear in the MCU is: Mastermind. He's quite simply a dark Xavier. A man with the same power and level as professor X. He would manage the brotherhood of mutants completely unseen, and prevent Charles Xavier from being able to stop them, and ultimately it would be revealed he was working to restore Magneto to youth using a mutant with that ability. There would be several psychic sword fights.

[@frick_____you]

He's technically been in the X-men films; but was changed so much that he was unrecognizable. Striker's kid from X2? That was apparently supposed to be Mastermind.

[@kieran10202]

@@frick_____you oh yeah, I forgot about that. This version I imagine would look less like a supervillain, I'm imagining Jo Lo Truglio or Charlie Day in the role, someone who doesn't look imposing but is quite sinister in the way he behaves.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Ahora quiero verlo también

[@GeahkBurchill]

I was really upset at X-Men first Class. Set in the 60s. Avoided addressing race like the plague. Killed the one black character unceremoniously. Happened to also be the one unkillable character. I _know_ it’s the best X-Men movie. That just doesn’t speak well for X-Men movies.

[@egekazkayas8968]

Better than the entire mcu

[@milkiassamuel780]

With all the opportunities that Fox could of had with implementing Mr Sinister into their X-men cinematic universe, I wonder if Marvel will chose to utilise him instead for when they eventually introduce the X-men into the MCU? I would personally love that and it would be very refreshing to see a new character/villain from the X-men universe, who isn't just Magneto, Stryker, or the Dark Phoenix. I also think X-men villains like Sinister, Mojo, Omega-Red and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants should get their time to shine.

[@srstriker6420]

And the Shadow king

[@FadzaiSimango]

@@srstriker6420 YES!!! _Please._

[@milkiassamuel780]

@@srstriker6420 Agreed, but if you haven't seen Legion before, I highly suggest you watch it as Shadow King is represented nearly perfectly as the main villain and is truly terrifying in the metaphysical and sociological manifestation, though despite the fact that I do not know the name of the actor that portrayed him, he still did wonderful job. It would be very nice to see him return in the MCU or at least hinted at, when the X-men/mutants are introduced. Because Shadow King and Professor X have a very complex rivalry and Storm used to be abused as a thief for the Shadow King, which would be quite interesting to explore and to get a better understanding of who Storm/Ororo Munroe was and the turmoil she endured before being saved from the Shadow King by Charles and building ties with Wakanda.

[@srstriker6420]

@@milkiassamuel780 and his storm connection was removed and was given to Apocalypse

[@srstriker6420]

@@FadzaiSimango I wonder who would win in a fight Shadow thief vs Shadow king?

[@thomaspetch995]

Don’t wanna be that guy, but X-Men: First Class and Captain America: The First Avenger both came out in 2011

[@jackrichardson4089]

2011 was the first year

[@penelopew77]

Doesn’t mean they were planned, written or green lit the same year. The planned Magneto origin film wasn’t cancelled till 2009, and replaced with First Class, which was made in 2010. I think he meant that when they were planning First Class, they couldn’t use Zola, because the MCU had acquired the rights to use in Captain America which at that time was slated to be released a year later. They couldn’t have decided who the villain was in 2011 and have a May 2011 release date on a movie like this.

[@thomaspetch995]

I was just saying that they came out in the same year, not a year apart like the video suggests

[@ianmcintire6696]

Shaw isn’t just Bishop, he’s also Gambit.

[@optimisticexistentialnihilism9]

Sebastian Shaw is also the Impassable man because he killed Darwin | Shaw is bishop and cambet and Mr. sinister and The Impossible man

[@PirateJacques79]

Shaw creating the Magneto helmet always seemed strange, considering the visor is shaped like a big 'M'. Other odd stuff in 1st Class includes: Baby Mystique and her weird mass-shifting powers that somehow don't carry on into adulthood.

[@ikeekieeki]

"he was no match for... homogeneity." 😆

[@Dracinard]

Y'know, when your script starts with "there are 9 villains Shaw's more similar to than Shaw,", and then 3 of those villains are Mr Sinister and one is nobody, it might be worth doing another draft. You could've run through all the others then built up to one big Mr Sinister segment, for instance.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

I liked this version, it was amusing.

[@Dracinard]

​@@TheEvilCheesecake Is fair! Didn't work for me, though.

[@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688]

"We've had enough Magneto" B-But he's the master of magnet.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

He is not the master of interesting movie storylines however.

[@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688]

@@TheEvilCheesecake That's impossible, he's the master of magnet.

[@markchapman6800]

@@TheEvilCheesecake An X-Men movie that wasn't "Wolverine and Some Other Guys" or "Charles and Erik Should Get a Room Already" would be a nice change of pace.

[@projekttaku1]

@@markchapman6800 but he's the master of magnet

[@chiaraelvendork6644]

@@markchapman6800 There are three kinds of X-Men movies, the two aforementioned ones, and Deadpool. That's it.

[@ericschnautz6603]

Still waiting for Peter isn't Peter. Like, mcu peter has the same motivation and story arc as Miles. Greater power and less responsibility. I'd love to see you talk about it.

[@MaxIronsThird]

yep

[@jlev1028]

And also being friends with not-Ganke Lee.

[@JoelKellenProductions]

If you ever branch out into tv shows, I suggest starting with "Damien Darhk isn't Damien Darhk". That dude couldn't be further from his comic counterpart.

[@Phoenix5365]

Shaw is such a capitalist in the comics that he's even served as a significant contractor for Project: Wideawake building sentinels for the government 😳

[@sampsonvassallo795]

Hey Nando, I have been watching your channel since your first episode and have loved everything you throw out. Anyway, I just realized you only have 240,000 subs and that’s a sin, you deserve at least 1 million. Thanks for the videos!

[@christaacree9759]

"where all the men dress up like benjamin franklin and the woman dress like halsey" I laffed for two minutes

[@RogueVideoRaven]

Halsey was not the first celebrity I would have thought of lol

[@981zASDF]

I thought I was crazy when I heard him say this

[@Sploberrie]

I'm glad you're making more of these.

[@aMoodyHipster]

The way the helmet doesn't fit quite right and just sits awkwardly on Kevin Bacon's nose

[@sebastianakvlog]

You said “Sebastian” so many times I want to make an edit where it sounds like you’re chatting with me

[@Flounderboy15]

I'm just gonna give this to you: April Fool's video - Mephisto isn't Mephisto

[@Pigwars420]

killian isnt killian PLEASE

[@stevencooper564]

The only thing I disagree with is "The best shot at faithful costumes" That closing shot (from I think Apocalypse?) In the danger room, is the best they've ever looked. And then they immediately drop them for the next movie.

[@nachoprime9649]

Those costumes still werent accurate other than cyclops

[@stevencooper564]

@@nachoprime9649 Cyclops and Nightcrawler were perfect, and Mystique's was basically just a uniform version of her classic white dress, it looked fantastic. But yeah, I'll give you that Storm and Quicksilver's weren't very accurate.

[@Atlantafan21]

Nandos next video: Wandavision - Pietro isn’t Pietro

[@PrinceCuseCuse]

Just wanna point this out! In the scene where Shaw is forcing Magneto to use his powers, the scene where you referenced how much he's like Mr. Sinister in the comics, Shaw is actually wearing a blue suit with a red tie. (Mr. Sinister's colors!)

[@shogunfox7141]

Fun fact: Sebastian Shaw is named and modelled after Robert Shaw who played Quint on Jaws.

[@mcipher5086]

14:57 YES! Finally someone talks about it!, i specially love the training theme, i use it all the time at work.

[@ME-kd1ko]

Henry Jackman is the H. Jackman who has done the most for superhero films. Controversial opinion, I know.

[@sailordaigurren8225]

If Darwin's mutant ability was to adapt to survive, he shouldn't have been black in the 60s.

[@mon_nobi]

oof

[@fianjames6622]

Don't forget that they replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christianson at the end of Jedi.

[@terence8578]

The First Class theme is one of my favorites in any comic book film. The soundtrack overall is underrated.

[@Threesom666]

Shaw's theme is too short. You gotta get the extended one.

[@pippir]

YES!! finally i see someone appreciating first class's score! it's one of my all-time favorites- it just has this insane amount of energy and i can't help but smile every time i hear it. also i didn't know henry jackman scoring fatws- now i'm even more hyped!!!!

[@exchanegedtag]

Love this series keep going.

[@lukaskywalker7791]

Top 3 crime in the X-Men movies is that Sinister was shoehorned in to be the "Thanos" instead of apocalypse. The death of Darwin, and yes, the fact that they didn't wear yellow spandex

[@jasonpratt5126]

"The Marauders are a bunch of D-list mutants..." -- shows a cover prominently featuring Sabretooth and by far the most famous, plot-influential, and powerful X-clone, the Goblin Queen, Madelyne Pryor. (Edited to fix from Witch Queen, a neuron took a wrong turn there somewhere.)

[@jlev1028]

You mean that one-off character that appeared in Scarlet Witch's first (starring) comic?

[@BigDumbMovie]

Hobbs isn't Hobbs

[@AdellRedwinters]

These are becoming the “Top 10” list of Nando videos

[@Jingles6466]

I did not expect this but i am glad i got it

[@AaronRotenberg]

I'm looking on your Nebula page but I don't see the extended version of this video. Is it not up yet?

[@demitriuscovington370]

My general assessment of this video: Mr. Sinister should have been the villain of X-Men First Class. Or if they were going with The Hellfire Club then they should have leaned all the way into it

[@IsaiahSenku]

back at it again, let's go!

[@drakkenmensch]

Another character also contributed some elements to this version of Shaw: Juggernaut, whose helmet was designed to block out Charles from entering his mind.

[@luissopelana]

The first time I heard about Magneto's helmet having the ability to deflect psychic attacks was the first time I was aware there was a "Magneto": in the Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends cartoon. :) I wonder if the comics followed suit or it was established there beforehand?

[@MaxIronsThird]

It probably came from Juggernaut

[@jonjo2598]

Kevin Bacon as a villain was by far the best villain in a Marvel movie. He should have been kept around.

[@MRDRK1]

Being a bit of a fan of the Hellfire Club, I knew Shaw wasn't accurately portrayed as Shaw, but listening to the massive list you came up with for just how NOT Shaw Shaw was, makes me want to watch the movie again, just to laugh at him.

[@MegaDrainProductions]

8:23 Is sorta is sorta like Shaw as well. In First Class after Charles takes control of Shaw, he tells Erik that he can only hold him for so long.

[@MercenaryX84]

How about how Emma Frost isn't Emma Frost? She more or less just has the cliff notes of what her character is suppose to be from the comics

[@yashabreslove8276]

Thanks for mentioning the score. Obviously, WS and Civil War have fantastic music, but First Class is sooo underrated on that scale. Magneto’s theme is incredible.

[@mawinstallation6626]

First Class rewrite with Nathaniel Essex as the main antagonist!

[@bluehornet632]

Honestly though, I think the idea of any mutant/human that can resist psychic powers by "sheer will" without that being a perk of their mutation/super power is just dumb. Whats the point of super powers at that point? Now being able to outsmart or mentally torment a psychic intruder based on intelligence and will I could agree with.

[@Bjhorn279]

So glad you brought the Darwin issue up in the video, along with the other black mutants throughout the XMen universe.

[@NandovMovies]

It's really insane when you go through the list. The other crazy thing that wasn't worth mentioning is that they are the same with Asian mutants. Blink, Agent Zero, everyone in The Wolverine, Jubilee both times. It should be so easy to make him work since Sunfire was one of the first mutants, but they don't even bother to include him.

[@Bjhorn279]

@@NandovMovies First I’m so surprised you replied back. But now that you mention that too, that’s even more insane! The mutants have always been a great allegory for discrimination, yet they keep treating their diverse and sometimes their best characters like they don’t matter. Still upset about the Jubilee misuse! Hoping the MCU version rectify these mistakes! Great video and analysis as usual!

[@divergentxmen283]

@@NandovMovies they did Yukio really well tho (she was in the wolverine and deadpool 2)

[@moon_girl4468]

Personally, it doesn't really matter to me if characters are accurate to the comics, as long as Logan doesn't have like Cyclops' powers or something like that. I like seeing their own takes on characters and things. Like they shouldn't change the core of the characters, but other than that I'm usually fine with that.

[@mangyolmutt]

Jackman's Magneto score is still the best villain score ever

[@swerveofhelex3717]

I was just about to make a Harder Better Faster Stronger joke. You beat me to it Nando

[@ChocoboKid216]

Now I know why I like XMFC Shaw... Because he is Mr. Sinister.

[@Highbrowser]

The Jackman Magneto Track is one of my favorite X-Men themes.

[@jonathanmartin9845]

You could also do videos on Thanos, Mysterio, Killmonger, and Ghost, since they are more akin to Zamasu, Syndrome, Kovu, and Darth Vader than their comics counterparts.

[@optimisticexistentialnihilism9]

I like how Darwin was killed off because it makes Sebastian Shaw more menacing and magneto that much more threatening and menacing when he kills Sebastian Shaw

[@subhangamdev7669]

Sebastian Shaw in X Men 1st class is a new version of him, and his best version.

[@mikegould6590]

If there's not a Nando "Mr Sinister" cosplay soon...we'll all be disappointed.

[@kieferfulsom4432]

Finally a villain who isn’t a villain I can get behind, yeah my first thought after seeing first class was “hmm, this seems more like an Apocalypse idea that Sebastian Shaw.” I’d also argue that Magneto in X-men 2000 isn’t Magento (YEAH I SAID IT) his plan in that film is to turn humans into mutants on a massive scale. And of course I think we know which X-men villain that is all for that.

[@kennethvermillion7476]

U Nailed this

[@finleypetit5197]

First class is underrated, personally it's my favorite x men movie

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Nando when is your rewrite of Wonder Woman 84 going to be up?

[@lukajackson2339]

Ooh I have been meaning to rewatch first class!

[@leviroch]

I remember this movie distinctly for one reason. . . It's the only movie to portray 'kinetic redistribution' even minutely correctly.

[@TabalugaDragon]

Completely agreed about the soundtrack. I've been listening to it since the movie's release. It's just incredible. Heck, the main reason I went to see the movie in the movie theatre TWICE was because of how incredible "Sub Lift" track sounded in combination with what was happening onscreen. It's a masterpiece. Also overall - great video, agreed about Darwin. Never read the comics but I disliked how quickly he was killed off.

[@SuperBubbles24]

Marvel: this is (insert name here), they are a villain Nando: is he though?

[@randomconsumer4494]

Welp, that answered my 1 question and a bunch I didn't even have. Now I know... his power is way more simple than I expected because the movie took 10k liberties to make Shaw more...... "sinister " for lack of a better word.

[@Samtagri]

I love the first class soundtrack. It is up there with Torn Legacy, Batman Begins, and Man of Steal.

[@AbaddonAlmighty]

Remember when everyone thought Richard E Grant's character in Logan was gonna be Sinister? That would've been cool.

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah or maybe he should have been in Deadpool 2

[@AbaddonAlmighty]

@@srstriker6420 Yeah, maybe.

[@srstriker6420]

@@AbaddonAlmighty and also Sabre Tooth should have been in Logan

[@AbaddonAlmighty]

@@srstriker6420 I was thinking the exact same thing :P Have thought that since it came out. It shoul've been Sabretooth instead of Logan's evil twin.

[@srstriker6420]

@@AbaddonAlmighty well I’ve been asking this guy called Trevor Meyer where does rewrites on movies and I was telling him the same thing about Sabre Tooth.

[@theomega311]

The crazy thing is Sebastian Shaw is he has also doubled as a version of the Red Skull on various occasions, which would have been far more compelling to do with Magneto vs Red Skull

[@Jgt612]

Disney totally could rock up with Mr Sinister. Just have Prof X and Magneto stuck on The Savage Land. Scott has to lead everyone and he struggles, we get some nice development and a new take on the series with Disney’s steady hand

[@Trekkie46]

Unus? Or Unas, the first host of the Goa'uld? Also I'm wondering if the script was written for Mr Sinister and they changed it later on.

[@GoDamnWeird]

I recommend you read Havok and Wolverine: Meltdown. During First Class, Shaw pulls a General Meltdown in the Sub's nuclear reactor. (Epic Comics, 4 issues, 1989)

[@TheShadesOfBlack]

Solution to them wanted to use Sinister but not have him die: He’s known for cloning.

[@civilwarfare101]

Which X-Men cartoon are you talking about regarding Bishop? Wolverine or TAS?

[@Brando_Edits]

Now I’m just waiting for Joker isn’t joker

[@spiderdalorian5666]

Did someone say most underrated CBM villain?

[@mechashoujo]

Spooky. I just finished re-watching this film.

[@zxt350]

and here i was thinking there were no more villains that aren’t actually themselves

[@skeletor4436]

I thought it was just that charles would't control erik because he's still his friend and he refuses to do anything to his mind

[@justanotherdayinthelife9841]

They can still save this by just stating that this IS actually Sinister, or at least a copy, posing as Sebastian Shaw. Maybe Sinister has Shaw in a tube somewhere wjere he is draining his powers in order to use them.