Second Thought Is Now On Means TV.

[@hawkwatkins8235]

the fox news review for means TV quoted just for you "They want to abolish capitalism and private property entirely. This is a fringe movement but they have a lot of power among the young and energized. Some of them are even Communists!" Chefs kiss

[@MeansTVstudios]

💅💅💅

[@florian4012]

Mfw the non privately owned company has communists on it: 😱

[@redgreen2453]

I don’t buy it, too accurate, not the Fox News I know

[@porridgeramen7220]

thanks fox im sold

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

For once they said the truth.

[@Damascene-Syria]

It’s crazy how they would ask you for a statement on the Israeli cleansing on Gaza without being in favor of Palestinians

[@legendaryspud3462]

Yo, I remember you from the comments section of the Yugopnik livestream!

[@David-mm5hd]

You don't have to be anti Israeli to be pro palestinians

[@Damascene-Syria]

@@David-mm5hd Which state took Palestinian land and k!lls Palestinians?

[@Isteyak-78]

​@@David-mm5hdit's like saying "you don't have to be anti-capitalist to be pro-socialist" Both are total opposite

[@Gaius_Julius_Caesar_Augustus]

​​@@Isteyak-78 It's a bit more complicated than that. It depends on how pro Palestine a person is or how pro socialist a person is. If your pro Palestine stance let's say to charge Israel with genocide and end settlers in west bank then you can be both pro Palestine and not anti Israel but if you are absolute pro Palestine and think Israel is illegal state then you can't be both. Same way if you think we need education and healthcare publicly funded then you can be called pro socialist on like 5-10% of sectors while wanting a vast majority capitalist state/society thus not anti capitalist. To sum up if you are too pro something then you are by reason anti the opposite of that thing but if you don't take a strong stance then you can support some parts of both sides

[@1May1312]

I've been a MeansTV subscriber for a few years now and am psyched that you've joined them! Looking forward to watching The New F Word.

[@justinwest4923]

Yeah, I was bummed that I didn't get to see all the episodes while they were on Nebula.

[@highway_roadkill]

i managed to watch all of The New F-Word while it was still on Nebula and its a banger of a series. i'm so glad it wasn't totally lost when JT left Nebula.

[@Ryan-dp4rs]

Awesome to hear. I've been following MeansTV for a while now and you fit in perfectly.

[@CaptFoster5]

I've never heard of MeansTV ... this channel alone being there makes looking into it worth the time and small amount of money it may cost to subscribe

[@1May1312]

It's the only streaming service I subscribe to. There's also a daily news show and some pretty based documentaries you won't find anywhere else.

[@comrade4792]

I watch Means Morning News every weekday

[@SynthetiThespis]

YES! I've been subscribed to MeansTV since 2020 and I had suggested that they host Second Thought videos since then. Great news, looking forward to this partnership

[@DiscountSeanConnery]

Good on ya - I've been a fan of yours and Means TV for a while now. Keep up the good fight!

[@MeansTVstudios]

💕💕💕

[@resurrectedone7463]

" It is an enormous credit to the Palestinian people, a small nation on the Mediterranean, that they have never accepted their fate as a victim of European colonialism. They have kept their flag flying high. They have kept their struggle alive. They have kept their name, if not on the world's map, then on the world's mind. And everywhere you go, in every country in the world, people will raise the banner of Palestinian freedom and independence. " ~ George Galloway

[@samael8732]

Isn't George galloway a fascist?

[@polishedcarpet]

Okay, I am so excited for this! I've been watching Means Morning News for the past year or so, it will be nice to see your videos showing up in the recommendations there.

[@derekbrou]

You were both made for each other (that sounds sarcastic but for real Means is one of my favorite streaming services) Congratulations!

[@lizardbytheriver1567]

Congrats on getting onto Means TV! I hope you have a very successful career! That sucks that you were booted from a previous streaming service, even though you were a founding member. Their loss, Means TV's gain.

[@jacoby6000]

My statements below are incorrect. I had a misunderstanding and did not remember some things correctly apparently. Craziest thing about this is that "Wendover productions", a channel made by the creator of nebula, explicitly and unambiguously condems Israel in its latest video. They made a real blunder.

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

Majority share holder.. Doesn't exactly mean owner..

[@jacoby6000]

@@SumeriyaYaxlaka he's one of the founders and a majority share holder. At the very least he is one of the owners.

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

​@@jacoby6000Everyone on there owns shares in the parent company.. Because that's the point.. That's what "creator owned" means..

[@RJH755]

I'm a fan of Jet Lag which they make and they seem pretty damn progressive, this is disappointing and quite head scratching to hear as a Nebula subscriber

[@jacoby6000]

@@SumeriyaYaxlaka yes, but he literally is one of the founders. It was his idea

[@lint7914]

I was just watching Means Morning News and saw Second Thought show up as recently added. When I heard you had left Nebula, I immediately thought Means TV would be the perfect fit, so I’m glad you’re finally there!

[@adelbenothmen9129]

You're a legend, we fucking love youuuu and respect you

[@desert.mantis]

Thanks, JT. I Will check into MeansTV.

[@ittixen]

**KZbin** - I prefer the *real* creator-owned platform. **Nebula** - I said the *real* creator-owned platform. **Means TV** - Perfection

[@LimpieMpambani]

I just discovered your channel and it is a breath of fresh air. You are the kind of person I want in my table just chatting 😂😂😂😂 I like your content and approach to sensitive things that might censor or cancel your channel. Keep it up.

[@thebigt3706]

Getting a means tv subscription immediately

[@YoCollin]

LOVE YOU JT💪💪💪

[@elianes5505]

Will check it out!

[@agluebottle]

Well, hell. Guess I'm going back to Means TV.

[@comradeinternet467]

Glad to hear this. I will be subscribing to MeansTV as soon as I am able to.

[@Asrahn]

Hell yes. Really dodged a bullet by not subscribing to Nebula before - it's Means time.

[@JohnClarkW]

I will have to check them out, thanks, and nice to see you found another home.

[@tedanderson2096]

This is incredible! Great to hear!

[@Cosmonauticus0982]

Fantastic news JT, I’ve been subscribed to Means for a good while now and I’m glad I have a non-youtube place to watch your videos again!

[@KulaGGin]

Yes. This shit with creators getting booted from platforms because they disagree on politics with owners needs to stop.

[@queztocoaxial]

I dunno, platforms can keep booting fascists, IMO. I'm biased though 😏

[@yeetyeet7070]

Wow, Nebula wanted a both sides statement? I would like you to elaborate on that

[@jonathonlong5796]

Dam, I always knew there was something too "both sides" on nebula. Means TV here we come

[@sirtic6880]

Welcome to the means community. Happy to have you!

[@glass.hammer]

Jesus wtf nebula. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but now I don’t want to support nebula even when there are so many exclusive creators on there. Kudos, JT. Thank you so much.

[@porridgeramen7220]

Kurzgesast was ine of the original founders... so yeah.

[@chadgunner4403]

That adds up

[@RJH755]

Yeah I subscribed to watch Philosophy Tube's play and get both her videos and Jet Lag early, not sure what to do now

[@glass.hammer]

@@porridgeramen7220 haven’t been paying attention to kurzgesast. Not sure what you mean.

[@n0tthemessiah]

@@RJH755You should quit and tell her exactly why

[@sentientnatalie]

Yeees, this is awesome! It was thanks to you that I discovered Means TV in the first place, comrade! Also, so great that we'll get to see your F-word series again!

[@EroUsagiSama]

Congrats on being on means, I love that platform 😊

[@PratimaShri]

Wow that’s crazy that they would rather have you leave the platform. But not really surprising

[@RoanShip]

Just realized I’m not rich enough to pay 11 euros a month for means tv

[@raulgarcia8627]

Good news is that you can choose your subscription price

[@Stephen...]

If you email them you can tell them what price you can pay, including nothing, and they'll hook you up. Information is on their help page.

[@abelpf1]

Good for you JT

[@Vaslof]

Frick the old site. Lost all their good will with that bs.

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

Hi JT from Second Thought :)

[@alinath12]

I got so mad when I was not able to find your content in the other platform and knew that it was about the imperialism that is taking place all over the world. I canceled my subscription so fast and now I'm joining this new platform!!

[@Saucepan84]

Will it still be available on youtube?

[@SecondThought]

My usual twice-monthly episodes will still be on KZbin, but The New F-Word is exclusive to Means TV

[@TheChieftain1117]

​@@SecondThought​good to see you found a new home for that series. I'll look into Means.

[@comradejav]

​@@SecondThoughtpeople who run Nebula are capitalist regressive scums. Lenin would not approve.

[@chrisparsons2791]

I'm so happy you've got a new platform JT! I was very upset when you left the previous one, before you said why; I knew. Good luck and keep going! 😀

[@FoxSt3v3]

good shit JT, let me take a look

[@transvestosaurus878]

sooo... Mean Thoughts?

[@concrete_dog]

that's a big yikes for Nebula man... so much for it being a "creator-owned" platform

[@Peace_And_Love42]

Couldn't get through the signup process. It stalled at the part where I put my credit card info in. Maybe it's because of VPN? I use Avast, and couldn't find a way to contact support. I did find out that Means is also doing video games publishing, and they put out Tonight We Riot, which makes me very happy... So I'm already a supporter.

[@rachellee5818]

Thanks for the update

[@fotenks]

Already a Means subscriber, looks like it's time to cancel my Nebula.

[@8thguy633]

WE STAN A PRINCIPLED SOCIALIST AND ANTI-IMPERIALIST!

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

What exactly is a creator owned platform then?? Im genuinly confused..

[@josiah42]

Me too. I thought that was the whole point of Nebula.

[@supernukey419]

Nebula is a corporation with a high degree of creator involvement in decision-making while Means TV is a worker co-op

[@Marsk1tty]

I was wondering why you disappeared off that platform so silently. Means TV it is then!

[@thebestmatthewschannel]

which one?

[@happydays4563]

​@@thebestmatthewschannel the one that starts with n and ends with a

[@Oncopoda]

Nebula isn't a co-op? Also David Pakman is on Means TV so I'm wary of the political leanings of that platform.

[@SecondThought]

Nope, it’s not

[@comradejav]

Fuck Nebula bro, W communist, L streaming platform..​@@SecondThought

[@comradejav]

​@@SecondThoughtyou have integrity, and inspire me alot, jus want you to now that🤞🏾

[@MeansTVstudios]

David Pakman isn’t on Means TV. Maybe he was a guest on one of our independent partners videos?

[@kerycktotebag8164]

​@@MeansTVstudios Luna Oi said y'all are good! Is she & her partner EJ on there?

[@RicSpivey]

I would watch all your content if it came to means TV simultaneously! But definitely subscribed once you came to the platform

[@CW-xf1li]

Just signed up. Thank you!

[@DanielLoveReel]

Means TV is awesome. Glad to see you made the right choice.

[@megflannery]

From a long time patron I'm so happy for you finding a partner like this! I will consider subbing just as a show of support for you even though I'll never use it (i never really used nebula either lol)

[@highway_roadkill]

will gladly swap my Nebula subscription for a Means one ASAP, Nebula sub ran out last month anyhow

[@filipDcve]

why is some content region blocked 😭

[@MeansTVstudios]

Our original content is available everywhere! However, due to the way film licensing works, some content has to be georestricted. We hate that thats the case too, if only something existed starting with a V and ending with an N that allowed users to access content from anywhere by rerouting their IP address.

[@filipDcve]

@@MeansTVstudios That thing that might exist that starts with V and ends with N is still going to work after I make an account? I could never get it to work with some other streaming platforms...

[@BougieButler]

Ayee stoked for this!

[@hexicdragon3094]

Haven't heard of Means TV. Sounds neat! Are there any other creators there worth checking out?

[@SecondThought]

Lots! A couple of my favorites are Means Morning News and Abby Martin

[@PC42190]

@@SecondThought Is Luna Oi still there too?

[@MeansTVstudios]

@@PC42190 yes! And NonCompete

[@comradejav]

​@@SecondThoughtW communist, L Nebula, trash platform

[@lizardbytheriver1567]

You shouldn't have been forced to make a "both sides" statement when one side is committing a genocide. You made the right choice by walking away.

[@BlueSwallow92]

Awesome news!

[@elliot_729]

Yay!!!

[@RoughDetails]

Good for you JT, keep on educating the proletariat! When are you going to play Helldivers 2 with Yugopnik on Twitch?

[@gardenerofthegalaxy]

MeansTV is awesome, i'm glad your audience is going to find them. Who were you partnered with before? Nebula?

[@andremaltez442]

Yup, he was. To escape the abuses and restrictions imposed by YT... quite ironic if you ask me, but that's the magic of the history of oppression for you.

[@ckv7e7]

LET’S GOOOOOOOOOOO

[@NotoriousSRG]

So stoked

[@Noname-ys4re]

What kind of "both sides"-statement? "Both commit war crimes", "Both are to blame" or something different?

[@sizskie]

they probably wanted him to retract a statement he made about israeli settlers inside palestinian territory not being civilians, i.e "harming israeli settlers inside palestinian territory is unacceptable"

[@jason59k55]

classic "but do you condemn hamas?"

[@Kaiserohnepurpur]

"What about Hamas?" The trendy tactic of the bourgeoisie, reformists and chauvinists to derail any argument that speaks for the people of Gaza and Palestine.

[@silverharloe]

I have a dumb question, which I don't expect you'll answer, but: I follow a bunch of creators who are on Nebula. I haven't heard any of the ones I follow make a comment on Israel/Palestine at all - not a both sides statement, not an either sides statement. Did Nebula choose to pick on you specifically to make such a statement?

[@sizskie]

iirc people online were making a fuss over a comment jt made on the deprogram podcast, i think it was something along the lines of there are no civilians in occupied palestinian territory because those people are occupiers, most likely referencing how those people had to steal palestinian homes through violence and in jt's opinion that probably disqualified them from being treated as neutral bystanders. nobody knows exactly what nebula asked of him, but from what he says it sounds like they wanted him to backpedal on that which would basically mean saying something or other in defense of israeli settlers.

[@Alex_Barbosa]

​@sizskie Yes this is the thing that made other creators single him out. He doesn't police his tone.

[@FacterinoCommenterino]

Today's Fact: In 2020, scientists discovered a new type of deep-sea coral in the waters off the coast of Scotland, which had not been seen before.

[@RoughDetails]

@FacterinoCommenterino Wow, that's indeed a very interesting fact! Thank you!

[@peterloffredo521]

Congrats and thank you for standing by your morals. Are you still going to make KZbin videos?

[@aprofondir]

But do you condemn Hakim

[@SecondThought]

We love our beautiful doctor man 🥰

[@emmasilver2332]

Once I get a job again I might just subscribe to MeansTV then

[@TroyTheCatFish]

Thank You 🙏

[@dl-zf9dj]

Awesome awesome awesome. 😊

[@mainstay.]

I wish I could, it's too expensive. I would have to stop my Patreon donation to you, which seems counter productive.

[@Stephen...]

If you look on their website for the help section (or User Guide) you'll see one area titled "Sliding Scale" which lets you know you can email them with an amount you can pay, including 0, and they'll hook you up. Email is on that page, KZbin won't let me post it.

[@JimEatsPlants]

Hey JT, I signed up for Means TV because of you, and am a patreon for you, but how come I need to come to youtube to watch your new episodes before I can see them on Means TV? I did not see the reason for the tik tok ban on means but watched it here.

[@oloplyflapdar7384]

Hey guys, had a subscription for two years, it's relatively cheap compared to all other private-structured streaming platforms, a lot of documentaries and content I wouldn't have come across if it wasn't for Means' capacity to partner with the creators in a more true co-op form, they can also fund/produce documentaries if a director comes with a captivating plan. Know what you are purchasing, if you love subversive animation, general leftist content and documentaries on relevant subjects, then this will be what you want. If you want your favorite Hollywood stars, plenty of other places that can provide it for you.

[@zay-lias]

Both sides 😂😂😂 like, wtf…… it’s pretty 1 sided….

[@Chester.the.Allley]

Is there a way to subscribe monthly? I could easily chip in 5$ every other month or so, but 109$ at once is just not how this economy works.

[@Stephen...]

If you look on their website for the help section you'll see one area titled "Sliding Scale" which lets you know you can email them with an amount you can pay, including 0, and they'll hook you up. Email is on that page, KZbin won't let me post it.

[@Chester.the.Allley]

@@Stephen... Thanks mate, that's a great System

[@juanitajones6900]

Did you ever come across an article on U.S.- Haiti relations or anything about the quality of rice being sold to Haiti from the U.S.?

[@JenniferFuss]

Have you been previously with Nebula? Asking because my subscription is about to renew, and I don't like to support the ask to "both sides" what happens in Gaza.

[@nusquamnemo4780]

yeah, he was, and he quit due to the both-sideism

[@nusquamnemo4780]

@@superhond1733 your ability to misinterpret my statement is tremendous

[@trash_miner]

I canceled nebula after that happened, Means tv is awesome

[@silverandexact]

Bro. I got a Nebula subscription literally the week you left. 😭 It would be great if we could purchase The New F Word alone, not as part of a streaming service.

[@geoffreymartin6363]

I've smashed 90 episodes of the Deprogram in the past week my guy, gonna run out of content soon so I'll give this a look then, good shit. Are Hakim and Yugopnik joining Means? Or are they not contractually/physically allowed to make content for other sites while in your basement

[@kthendricks1581]

I dropped nebula the moment second thought was removed. I KNEW it was because you refused to soft peddle the zionist regimes actions in an Palestine. Looks like I'll be signing up for means tv. Free PALESTINE

[@DanielHawleyLowry]

MOST BASED LEFT MEDIA COLLAB LFG

[@TheJayman213]

Called it!

[@alexricky87]

What happened with this partnership?

[@kprit4089]

Time to delete my nebula subscription

[@gargigulos1984]

Going off the headline here It sounded like you were renaming the channel from "second thought" to "on means TV" which would have been a much worse and less catchy name to change to.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

That's very weird, considering most of the people on Nebula are absolutely anti-Israeli.

[@SecondThought]

You’d be surprised. There are definitely some wonderful, principled people there though

[@comradejav]

​​@@SecondThoughtNebula? more like nahbula.., no? kms?

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

​@@SecondThought Are they the usual "I hate tanies" crowd? Soc-Dem types? Really, I just want to know if I would be surprised by a creator's actual vs. public views rather than simply me being unfamiliar with many of the platform's creators?

[@andremaltez442]

That's the thing with bourgeois-minded "science". They (consciously or unconsciously) justify the current oppresive system and its results by hiding behind the veil of "impartiality". Anything that falls out of that line is tagged as "radical" and "one-sided", when it is them that miss the forest for the trees, trapped in a purely positivist (and static)- approach that fails to capture the fluid dynamics that rule the universe. Why it's important to study dialectical materialism to be aware of those limitations.

[@a_d_a_m]

I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts some day on whether you honestly think *any* sociopolitical system will escape eventual corruption if we don’t first address basic human consciousness issues. I don’t believe it’s possible 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@andremaltez442]

I doubt anyone can answer that with 100% certainty, but reforming capitalism has already proven impossible. Not that it ever had a chance, as Marx and Engels explained already 175 years ago. What would give a (true) communist society a much greater chance is the fact that it would be built "for the people, by the people", not out of an idealised principle but of a material necessity to advance the system (the other alternative is "barbarism", e.g. fall of the Roman Empire). Lenin, if I recall correctly, proposed that all the workers would need to eventually participate in the bureaucracy during the "dictatorship of the proletariat" phase and that any officials would need to be elected and could be immediately recalled, for example. As I understand it, the main change in concsiousness that a (again, true) socialist system will bring about, which will be in stark opposition to all of the previous sociopolitical systems, is that the need and therefore the motivation and justification for personal gain will be abolished under a society that has as an objective to provide "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". Humans are coopearative by nature, we wouldn't have survived in the African savanah if we were the "homo economicous" that we are said to be by the Capitalist theoreticians. The reason why you see crime and violence are dominant in marginalised and deprived countries and communities is not a lack of "civilization" but rather of resources, which are abundant in wealthy suburbs and countries, where you don't see people trying to gain the upper hand on their neighbors other than when chasing for more profits, as per the current system's requirements.

[@kaantax8666]

Imma subscribe when i get my paycheck

[@Rocinante0489]

Based and real

[@coming2getu64]

That's interesting...capitalism is like a drug...

[@vrth0mas]

God damnit JT, now I have to quit my millennial great depression era bullshit, be unafraid to spend money and subscribe

[@fiel81]

Where?

[@michaelpage1288]

Honestly, sucks what happened with nebula. I legit bought the lifetime sub to it and started watching the new f word series at a rate of about two a week with my wife, like, two weeks before it happened. Guess I'll have to look at this now, hope it works better for you.

[@PizzaChess69]

It's Thursday, not Friday 😡 But good thing anyway, wish you a lot of success.

[@behzadparsa]

Good luck.