Secret Societies | LIES | Extra History

📜 Welcome Extra Historians to our Secret Societies Lies video! Where we talk about the mistakes we made and the details we couldn't quite squeeze into our Secret Societies series. With questions like, What made the Freemasons so prone to takeover by the secret societies? Why is "The All Seeing Eye", which is on the Great Seal of the United States not an Illuminati symbol!? And was Crowley actually planning to stab anyone with the dagger?
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0:00 - Brought to you by our Patreons!
1:05 - Recommended Reading
3:56 - Introduction
7:44 - General Comments
9:48 - Cult of Mithras
13:50 - Illuminati
18:40 - Knights of the Golden Circle
20:30 - The Golden Dawn
21:52 - The Yakuza
25:14 - Coming up on Extra History
26:40 - Ibn Battuta Side Trip!
Artist: Ali R Thome I Host/Extra History Writer: Robert Rath - @RobWritesPulp I Researcher: A. Siso I Showrunner & Narrator: Matthew Krol I Video Editor: Devon House Creative I Audio Editor: Clean Waves I Studio Director: Geoffry Zatkin I Social Media: Kat Rider
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[@extrahistory]

Thank you so much for watching! You can watch "More Than her Murder" from our Hypatia of Alexandria series 1 week early on Nebula, ad-free! bit.ly/EHHypatiaofAlexandria Thanks for Watching!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

You're the Best guys! 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@CactusJackIV]

I loved the “wizard battle” that ended with the ice king using his nunchucks. Wait that was adventure time.

[@extrahistory]

lol, seems like it!

[@CactusJackIV]

@@extrahistory In shadow we find the light safely sealed in darkest night, so make sure ya’ll make sure to keep it tight. Wizards only…..fool.

[@MrShadow-qz9xj]

I appreciate that you guys actually review your own series. It really shows your focus as a channel is on accuracy. You present your information in a very entertaining way, yet you still do your best to be honest and well researched.

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[@Mr.KaganbYaltrk]

So you are telling me illuminati isn't real

[@AnonymousK4753-dl3hw]

That’s what they want you to think

[@ajbagniewski4349]

well not entirely there was an organization but not like it is seen on the darker part of web rule no.2 from the series

[@naifalbaihed1230]

They were real just not the stuff that being spread about it online.

[@OrangeRising]

They were destroyed by a splinter faction known as Majestic 12.

[@extrahistory]

Fnord

[@LawTaranis]

Maybe do a whole series on Freemasons? :3

[@extrahistory]

We totally should!

[@lanceloomis2038]

@@extrahistory As a Mason myself, I'd love to see what you'd do with it...

[@1000FeatheredOwl]

@@lanceloomis2038 Hey, brother! /G\ 😁 I’d be excited to see a video on it, too.

[@DFC667]

​@@1000FeatheredOwllikewise brothers

[@mattkuhn6634]

Fun fact: if “yeet” had come from an actual word in Middle English, then the sound changes of English would have turned its past tense into… Yate. So Yeats yate Crowley down the stairs.

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[@ajbagniewski4349]

I was not expecting lies on this series because it like the whole reason for joining is for being part of lies

[@extrahistory]

[@michaelramon2411]

"All of the Illuminati's philosophical beliefs became quickly normalized." ...So you're saying that the Illuminati's designs took control of the world's most powerful nations even after their own destruction? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

Much like the Charterists, their political objectives eventually came to be the norm (except annual elections).

[@cfv7461]

​@@jon-paulfilkins7820 they are in italy 👀

[@sirrliv]

I certainly hope the "Benedict Arnold & Treason" story will also be touching on Aaron Burr's madness, specifically the time he looked at Louisiana and North Texas and thought, "I should be emperor of this" and was nearly tried for treason until Jefferson pardoned him.

[@timyuusis3372]

He wasn't pardoned, Jefferson was the one who ordered his arrest. The judge ruled that he wasn't guilty and it's still debated what his exact goals were

[@peggyliepmann5248]

My favorite part is how the names of these secret societies got gradually more elaborate and fancy, and simultaneously Incredibly Goofy. The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn and the Isis-Urania temple sound so cool and mystical, and it's a bunch of Nerds dressing in silly outfits and memorizing hand gestures. A few hundred years later, they would've been playing D&D.

[@haeilsey]

not even "a few hundred," Crowley was the centre of the occult movement in the 20th century. they could've sat down for D&D even 50 years later had they lived so long

[@timstatler7714]

Order of the Golden Dawn sounds so much better than the Order of the Golden Shower.

[@korygurman6638]

Between Yates and Crowley, the true victor was the local locksmiths

[@josephteller9715]

The problem of covering conspiracies, secret societies and cults together as a group is that you could produce not just a few episodes but several years worth of shows on this subject. There have been hundreds of these things some around for short times and others for centuries, and just when you think that one is dead or destroyed or dissolved it pops up again (maybe with a new name and leader) and the cycle starts again. One correction : The Knights of the Golden Circle did not die with the Civil war. They meddled in Central and South America and may have been involved in the Mexican Revolution.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

I am also a member of Phi Theta Kappa. It is not hard, just have a GPA of 3.85 or better while enrolled in a college where there is a chapter of Phi Theta Kappa... My GPA was a 3.98 because we had an instructor who didn't believe anyone deserved a 4.0 in any of his classes.

[@olivermclennan4916]

Those professors are the worst. Ego and superiority complex have no business in marking assignments.

[@bendi3768]

The production value on this series was probably one of the best.

[@extrahistory]

Thank you, we're always trying to get better!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

LOVE these lies section! Always serve as a great epilogue to an amazing series ❤❤❤❤❤

[@extrahistory]

Thank you!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

@@extrahistory Always

[@Eli_The_Grey]

Won't lie, I was heartbroken that the Carbonari didn't make an appearance.

[@extrahistory]

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

I was a member of the PTK Honors Society back in college as well. It was pretty much charity work and student mentoring.

[@mattsteadystudio4006]

My Catholicism is the reason I enjoy this channel. That said, the Mass and the Vulgate Bible were not in Latin so that the people couldn't understand it. On the contrary, the Mass and the Bible were in Latin because parishioners in Western Europe in the 5th century no longer understood Koina Greek and were now speaking --wait for it --Latin. The notion that the Catholic Church was keeping things secret by keeping it in Latin long after Latin stopped being the vernacular is a relic, pun intended, of Protestant polemics. People understood what the Latin Mass was saying because the missals were split into the Latin text on the left column and the vernacular translations.on the right column. As far as the Vulgate goes, those who could read also read in Latin, but, even then, the Catholic Church have had many vernacular translations of the Vulgate, which itself was a vulnacular translation.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Midweek surprise! Thanks For this Guys ❤❤❤❤❤

[@Slicknick72636]

This channel just gained so much respect seeing the 40k stuff in the background…

[@Epee2134]

YES! Move the Lies to a weekday so we don't have to suffer an extra weekend to learn a new topic~!

[@prettypic444]

Now all that’s left is to wait and see just long it’ll take Rob’s recommendations to go back to normal

[@jorgelotr3752]

I'm just gonna leave here that I'm pretty sure that "yakuza" coming from the worst hand in _oichu-kabu_ is just folk etymology, mainly because not only are there many other ways of reading those 3 numbers in that order, the order itself is suspect (3-8-9, 9-8-3, 8-3-9, 9-3-8 and 3-9-8 are the exact same hand, and the first two sound way more natural). By the same token, things like "disaster/ill-luck gang" (厄座) or "drug guild" (薬座) are as likely to be the origin of the word and make more sense (another option would be 役座, "job party" in the sense of "odd job providers").

[@eliplayz22]

This was a great series! I learned a lot!

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Oh, and can you do some extra history on Roman mythology, please?

[@vinchester8688]

Attempt 32 of asking for a Mustafa Kemal Ataturk video

[@1234cheerful]

I'd like that too. First request.

[@evandierker2272]

Id watch this

[@Elizabeth-tq7qw]

I’m so excited that you’re writing a series about Garibaldi! One of my great-great-grandfathers fought in Garibaldi’s army.

[@also_arles]

This was a sudden surprise to see posted. Nothing like some Extra History to get me through the week! 😄

[@uisgeuisce]

Speaking of secret societies... Societas Draconistrarum definitely should make the cut... Not sure how secret it really was and didn't last for long but it had interesting characters.

[@Error_502notfound]

YES HISTORY!!!

[@extrahistory]

[@BeenDownSoLong...]

Thank you for what you do.

[@AJ-wh1tw]

20:54 William Butler Yeets

[@lowej004]

Great series as usual! I'd be fascinated for you to do an episode on The Hellfire Club, I grew up in the area around the Hellfire Caves where they used to meet and St Lawrence's church with the 'golden ball' where it's rumoured they would also meet, so it's always been a weird thing that I've known rumours and probable mistruths about, so I'd love it if you covered it!

[@StrangeGamer859]

You guys are going to do Garibaldi? Sweet! I really want to see how you cover his lesser known adventure in my home state.

[@kevkevplays5662]

I really was hoping you’d do an episode on the free masons. They were mentioned so much

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Can you do some extra history on Greek mythology, please?

[@LostArchivist]

To summarize it here. *See Greek mythology

[@alfrancisbuada2591]

You should do more of this!

[@RifterBlade]

You have miniatures and an Indiana Jones Idol copy behind you, + 6 cool points :) Enjoyed the series, thanks for delving into it!

[@karlgrimm3027]

Some people also misunderstand what Secret Police are. It’s not like the existence of the police is secret, it’s that there members and exact activities that are secret.

[@Some_Average_Joe]

So, regular police in the US?

[@BryanWills-rx9dl]

Maybe check out the lore lodge. The youtuber that runs that channel is a free Mason in its currently. Going over to freemasons right now could be a cool collab/source of information

[@extrahistory]

Thank so much for the info!

[@BryanWills-rx9dl]

I did not expect to get a reply, keep on doing the good work!

[@collin4555]

The Golden Dawn were goofy, yes, but in equal part, they were giant nerds

[@matthewheimbecker9055]

Great breakdown of the series. The only thing I can object to is the generalized belief that "if it exists, it can be googled" among so many academics that comes up at the very end. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." How could you know about a secret society, if it were actually secret?

[@jasonwalker9471]

it's *really* hard to keep spicy information locked down. From secret military research to oval office blowjobs, these things have a way of finding their way out remarkably quickly, given the importance of secrecy to the people involved. That's not to say everything becomes general knowledge (very few facts about any topic are (more or less) universally known), but keeping something secret from people with a motive to find out secrets has always been difficult, and it has only become more difficult as time and technology have marched on. More generally, you can look at it from two points of view that intertwine with each other. First, secrets have a half-life, and technology has made that half-life very short. Second while we can't know for certain how many secrets exist, we can apply a bit of logic similar to an inverse lottery fallacy. The lottery fallacy involves the fact that while it's very unlikely that you'll win the lottery, it's guaranteed that someone will. You can apply the inverse of that to secrets. Because we have imperfect knowledge it's not possible for us to know if any particular secret might have "decayed", but it's possible for us to know the rate of decay, and to know that on average no individual secret will last more that X amount of time, depending on various conditions (number of people in-the-know being the primary variable). Putting all of that together and applying it to secret societies, you end up with the concept of an "inverse power/lifetime proportion" for them. Societies derive their power from their members. The more members, the wider the reach of the society, and the greater the power the society can funnel upwards to its leaders. But by their very nature, powerful societies will remain secret for only a short time (relatively speaking). The greater their power, the shorter their secret society half-life. That doesn't mean they'll disappear after they inevitably fall prey to their half-life, but it does mean that people will know about them. And the other type of society? The ones so small and insignificant that their half-life is quite long? You don't have to worry much about those ones, because who cares if me and my friend meet in my mom's basement for 20 years? If our actions are so insignificant as to go unnoticed, then we might as well not exist. And if our actions are significant enough to be noticed (political actions, serial killers, secret charity givers, literally anything), then we will be eventually discovered, if only from our ripple effect on society. People are surprisingly good at noticing those kinds of ripples even with scant data available, and AIs are now getting even better at it than people are. And they don't lack data like human minds do.

[@Larper64]

Your video on the Knights of the Golden Circle seems to act on the idea they were gone or inactive by the civil war, but they didn't officially dissolve until 1863, and had been active throughout much of the war itself. I am curious if this was an oversight or just to save time.

[@McJethroPovTee]

Hey no offense but who changed the order in your All Epiaodes playlist? Now its in descending order and I cant binge it properly.

[@Nazmazh]

Vague, context-less discussion/sort of spoilers for Alan Wake 2, but I know there's some people out there that freak out if anything vaguely spoiler-shaped appears even close to their peripheral vision ("Oh my gods, you can just tell me this story has people in it! Ruined forever!) And have I put enough text here to block out potential spoilers and shoo away anyone that truly would be upset yet? Okay. Vague, context-less discussion of Alan Wake 2 below: . . . . . . . I love that one of the points you've raised here is something that comes up in AW2 - It's less foreshadowing, more of a hint that there's more going on than what seems to be the surface-level situation. Near the end of the game, one of the leaders of the cult that's been present (and seemingly menacing/sinister) throughout the whole game basically says what you said, nearly word-for-word, echoing the same thought Saga (the other PC/Protagonist, aside from Alan) had said near the start of the game: "What kind of cult calls themselves a cult?"

[@mariacarrizales-alonzo7696]

I love you guys videos, could you do a video about the War of the Roses?

[@brandonf.6495]

Definitely one of my favorite series you guys have done! I hope you can return to Secret Societies in the future! 😁 And out of the 5 covered, I would probably join the Illuminati lol 🦉

[@samrevlej9331]

Can't really vote on Patreon right now, but how about a series on the Norman conquest of southern Italy and Sicily? It's an amazing story: wars, mercenaries, shifting alliances, diplomacy, fraternal and familial rivalries, religious conflict but also coexistence...

[@Piper_2098]

*we’re going back in time to the first Thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu*

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Did you know there’s something hidden in the eye of the illuminati? I zoomed in the eye and it looks like a man moving a box in a room pretty crazy😱😱😂 14:12

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Video on the global what the general thing of three masonry like where it was more prominent and then one interesting parts of it? 8:27

[@Armoredcompany]

Extra points for the 40k mancave shelf.

[@DallingerM]

I thought you were going to say you were on the square 😓 Fraternal greetings brother from Elleray Park Lodge 5620 UK Awesome vid brah, very interesting, loved the series! A Necron army though? The GAOTU wouldn’t be happy ... I studied Garibaldi and the Italian Unification at uni - very fascinating, looking forward to that!

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Can you do some extra history on Napoleon, please?😂 19:41

[@aksshaggy2100]

There is literally an active Free Mason building like at a 2 minute walking distance from my home in Puerto Rico, it's literally in front of a Costco which I find funny.

[@johnaucamp7106]

Kind of disappointed you didn't do the Broederbond. Would have been an interesting video.

[@extrahistory]

Always so much to go over and so little time!

[@charlotte-mg9wj]

you can never trust those warrior lodges...

[@timstatler7714]

Don't forget Garibaldi also was the security chief on Babylon 5, and funded the resistance during the Telepath War. :}

[@nickapvikes]

Perhaps given your plans for a Halloween series you could make good use-in conjunction with your research on this vid-of the following books: * _The English Heretic Collection: Ritual Histories, Magickal Geographies_ (2020) by Andy Sharp < esp. chapter, ‘Mondo Paranoia: A Medieval History of the 1960s’ > * _Occult Features of Anarchism: With Attention to the Conspiracy of Kings and the Conspiracy of the Peoples_ (2019) by Erica Lagalisse < esp. chapters, ‘The Conspiracy of Kings: Attending to the “Conspiracy Theory” Phenomenon’ + ‘A Heretical Account of the Radical Enlightenment’ + ‘Freemasonry, Pantheism, and the Hermetic Tradition’ + ‘The Revolutionary Brotherhoods’ + ‘Illuminism in the IWA’> * _The Esoteric Secrets of Surrealism: Origins, Magic, and Secret Societies_ (2014) by Patrick Lepetit Less (but still > 0%) crossover w/ this vid, but much spooky potential: * _The Resonance of Unseen Things: Poetics, Power, Captivity, and UFOs in the American Uncanny_ (2016, U. Michigan) by Susan Lepselter * _The Transatlantic Zombie: Slavery, Rebellion, and Living Death_ (2015, Rutgers UP) by Sarah J. Lauro * _Ghostly Matters: Haunting and the Sociological Imagination_ (2nd ed.-2008, U. Minnesota) by Avery F. Gordon

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Under two hours gang😂😂 0:26

[@simonberry4357]

Hey Rob, how do you feel about GWs latest price hike

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

Oh, and Second World War, please adding some extra history thanks😂 19:41

[@7kS3]

Another great series!! Have y'all considered doing series' on more recent events? What is considered too recent to be covered?

[@fjolliff6308]

What is the golden statue on the shelf behind you? On the right side near your shoulder.

[@Niclas-dr3qt]

Its from an Indiana Jones movie.

[@Toggingdave]

One thing you should have mentioned here in Lies that you didn't. In your Yakuza Episode, you have it opening in Yokohama in 1809. The problem is that the version of Yokohama you have in the episode didn't exist in 1809. Before the port was established in 1859, Yokohama was a tiny, insignificant fishing village far from any roads or commerce. It certainly wasn't big enough to have its own gambling hall. In fact, Yokohama's insignificance and the distance from the main roads are the primary reason it was chosen to be the port of entry for foreign trade. The correct setting should have been "Yokohama, 1860" or something like "Osaka, 1809". Fun Fact: The first choice for the trade port was actually the nearby Tokaido Road post town of Kanazawa-Juku, but the Shogun nixed that idea, as he was uncomfortable with foreign merchants having direct access to Edo via the Tokaido. Today, Kanazawa is a ward within the greater City of Yokohama and not too far from where I currently live.

[@rimhellworth8614]

Does the OA count as a secret society because if so then I’m in a secret society. I mean it definitely is an in-group for the BSA

[@konitobe-fw8gs]

The OA is not a secret society because of legal reasons. People like to be secretive about it to avoid spoilers. Recordings and transcripts of the ceremonies are available if you go looking.

[@kingh9962]

Could you guys make an episode on the Brazilian independence.

[@ferretyluv]

They did already.

[@extrahistory]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/equ4f5mki9N8odk

[@kingh9962]

Thanks it’s because I’m Brazilian and I’m also a monarchist

[@ng855]

Dawn is breaking 🌅

[@Ayeohx]

I dig your Warhammer goodies.

[@simonboucher7152]

I too am a member of a secret society : The Society of the 7 Guardians aka the Iron Ring aka the Canadia engineer equivalent to the Doctor's Hippocratic oath. And yes with "secret ceremonies" and brotherhood and all, rites written and designed by Rudyard Kipling of Jungle Book fame. And yes we were copied / plagerized our idea but Canada is the founding place of the iron ring for engineers :P. And an other, probable, secret society : Scouting movement?

[@4362mont]

The statement about secret societies becoming less secret over time is only true of thr secret societies that we know about.

[@johnbenedictsy530]

Paint your minis

[@chloeegalland6515]

When your dad is a free mason 😂

[@user-wv6wl4fo7l]

500 like gang😂😂 3:49

[@LangThoughts]

Now I'm left wondering how much nods to the ʏakʊza Araki included in Part 5, that Non-Jąpąńese audiences don’t get......

[@Goat-tz6gs]

Hi

[@extrahistory]

Hello

[@authentikata5535]

Hear me out....series on History of Organized Crime

[@newinhuman]

struck by lightening can be referring to specific reference to Zeus. Some connotations have to be kept alive through intuition and creativity more so than written or spoken. There will always be groups as long as their are families and cultures.

[@jasonking3466]

Which Fraternity kisses the skull?

[@FortessOfMind]

is that gray knights or space wolves

[@DallingerM]

Dude ... those are Necrons

[@luska5522]

You guys didnt touch the Rosocrucians. So much litigation if you did

[@4362mont]

I think I'm on Team Yeats.

[@AThrapofes]

Warhammer!

[@casualamber]

I can see y'all are WarHammer40k fans

[@InquisitorThomas]

Rob isn’t just a Warhammer 40K fan, he’s written some several 40K novels, including the Infinite and the Divine, which is probably one of the most well regarded 40K novels.

[@mkvenner2]

He wrote the fall of Cadia novel that is in upper left corner

[@BeEnlightenedbytheinner]

( to extra history). Hello, if you are interested in making a video on KZbin about freemasonry, reach out to the grand lodge of your state and see if they’ll be willing to sponsor a Masonic research video open to public viewing, they may even provide you with records to assist you.

[@billpitcher4525]

Mormons?

[@deetlebee]

My family have been Freemasons for generations. Not something I was never interested in(especially now as a non-binary atheist who has a problem with the racism built into the group), but it was always interesting to hear people talk conspiratorially about a group your father, grandfather, and great grandfather were all in. ...I was in Order of the Arrow, which is a secret society within Boy Scouts(now Scouts of America). Never thought of it in that terms, but that is 100% it. There was so many rituals and you were not supposed to talk to people not in the Order about any of it. Even other Scouts.

[@tinalanger7589]

Anti- Catholic conspiracy theories: I use to laugh at my grandmother claiming that Catholics hid guns in their basement--stockpiling them for the Papist revolution. I am therefore shocked to learn about Fathet Couglin's "insurrection" movement in the mid-20th century. My grandmother was right!!! (partly.)

[@acidbrns]

booooo the all episodes playlist inverted the play order to most recent as video 1, now it plays em all backwards. =( messed up my rewatch

[@ferretyluv]

I’m surprised you never mentioned the Carbonari. They were an incredibly influential revolutionary secret society. They were a huge part of the Risorgimento and the revolutions of 1848.

[@MariaVosa]

Probably they will make an appearance in the Garibaldi video

[@Elora445]

About the word cult, I favor the description of Christianity as a weird, Middle-Eastern crucifixion cult. I mean it isn't technically wrong... People getting upset by that description just doesn't have any sense of humor. Or rather, not my sense of humor.

[@ICountFrom0]

Lies? The entire thing had to be, for surely if you spoke any true secrets you would not have survived the day. Or am I perchance speaking a mistruth myself?

[@8ferarry8]

It's the lies video and you still pronounce Crowley wrong.

[@snackplissken8192]

Boston Pee Tarty.

[@sparkdrive2900]

3:58 he is talking and promoting nonsense till this time. Recommended to skip.

[@mattgarland9090]

Real talk why tf did you change the extra history playlist to newest to oldest that’s so dumb

[@AnneAslaug]

Hello! I have 2 questions, not meant as a joke or insult, but are you aware of your ADHD? And have you considered getting treatment for it? I recognize all the telltale sign in the way you speak and delivers knowledge from my own pre-diagnosis (or still just being exhausted or low on medcation) patterns. Got diagnosed and medication at 42. It honestly felt like I had had a brain transplant. Just saying! 😃😺❤As a friendly thought from an enjoyer of your channel!

[@MaIcanicen]

Midas, stop

[@glass_block]

IDC if y'all got it wrong, or left anything out, I'll believe it even if it's a lie, Or a truth, I give thy my life of truth and lie, I'll take it all in.

[@noticemeextrahistory]

Day 13 of asking Matt to be my husband