Secret Star Trek Reboot Exposed: We Have Proof!

Did Rick Berman and company use canon to soft reboot the history of the Star Trek franchise?
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[@robgoffroad]

I don't think this "reboot" was intentional; it just happened because they stopped caring as much about canon... but your explanation does a good job of explaining it in a canon-esque way.

[@austin2842]

This pretty much covers it.

[@ToonamiT0M]

I agree. From the beginning of Enterprise it was clear that those in charge wanted to do things that just would not fit with all the history established in TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY.

[@devcybiko]

yes. this.

[@anthonystone2089]

The time travel does explain the larger more advanced ships that replace the switches and knobs on the original.

[@devcybiko]

@@anthonystone2089 No. The fact that ST:TOS was produced in the 1960s and ST:DISCO, et al were produced over 50 years later explains that better. Let's not RETCON everything. It just doesn't fit. Let's all get over ourselves and remember THIS IS TELEVISION. It's not a documentary and we don't have to explain everything so that it fits with canon.

[@ramirorodriguez9671]

No, the inconsistencies are due to writers actors and producers who don't dig into canon as deeply as the fans do. This just sounds like a way to justify the inconsistencies.

[@gogreen7794]

Well said. Writers of SNW watched "Amok Time" with the sound off. They like the look, but missed the fact that Spock and T'Pring had been engaged since they were children, most likely had little to do with each other since then, and he sure got over her quickly. I'm pretty sure Spock and T'Pring never had any romantic dates.

[@withershin]

One of the Production Designers said this on a podcast - first time I had ever heard it. He's pretty blunt about the writing but passionate about the production.

[@projektkobra2247]

"Canon"...A "cannon" is a thing you launch hot dogs and t-shirts at people.

[@ramirorodriguez9671]

@@projektkobra2247 I'm using my phone. Typos happen

[@projektkobra2247]

@@ramirorodriguez9671 -Yesssss...thats what happened. I except youre answer.

[@alanmaxwell5932]

The only problem about this theory is that Seven of Nine stated to Kim that the Borg were present at first contact, and that it was complicated. That implies that Voyager existed in the timeline that First Contact happened

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

Perhaps a degree of divergent-universe knowledge was at play, just as it seemed to be with the Borg Queen in Picard season 2.

[@williamcostantini7227]

Correct. The issue is with what Lilly saw and then what she passed on to Cochran and others as they continued to develop the technology.

[@gabrielfranco1899]

They need q to reset to original timeline before the borg try to travel back to time and make first contact elimineting their time interference

[@shockman8014]

All that it implies is that Borg was there. Not that Voyager or Seven was there.

[@alanmaxwell5932]

@@shockman8014 I wasn’t inferring that they were, but simply that in the events in First Contact would have happened in Voyagers timeline as well.

[@jasper-od3dv]

You seem to have forgotten that Enterprise's planned fifth season was supposed to revolve around the Earth-Romulan war, therefore it lines up with what Spock had said in TOS. (Obviously, everything else doesn't, but this one time it does.)

[@rolandogamez]

It would be like fighting WW1 with Nukes and Stealth

[@jonathonearl482]

When watching SNW, I'm thinking it is the replacement for the planned 5TH season of ENTERPRISE. Especially, when you see the appearance of Pike's Enterprise. Pike's Enterprise looks extremely close to the NX-01 refit. The color and texture of the hull plating, the cutouts of the nacelles with the glows, and the deflector dish. Pike's Enterprise basically looks like Archer's Enterprise with a Constitution Class refit.

[@patrickjreid]

Same ship designer. Which I think is cool. The nx-01 is my favorite star trek ship because it feels like what a ship should feel like. I don't like all the open space in these ships. But their exterior designs are great!

[@jonathonearl482]

@@patrickjreid Archer's NX-01 Enterprise is my favorite as well! It is the sleekest looking Enterprise and I prefer the overall look of the original design over the Pre-Constitution refit that was planned for season 5. I really wish the producers would reshow an NX-Class Explorer on one of the current Star Trek shows maybe in a time travel episode or have the Federation bring it back in an updated version with a warp 7 engine. Also update the antenna-like deflector dish of the new NX-Class Explorer to the all glowing light deflector dish, also get rid of the warp field governor. I really would like to see this in the latest Star Trek shows.

[@topclips1872]

Enterprise's overall storyline had to do with a Temporal Cold War. That kind of war on time is bound to have changes happen

[@Mopsie]

I never liked that Cold War storyline. What does have that to do with what enterprise was supposed to be? The first ship, phaser, etc.

[@topclips1872]

@@Mopsie I agree it was not required.

[@iyziejane]

@@Mopsie Same reason First Contact focused on Cochrane's first warp flight. Archer's voyage was a critical moment in Federation history, the overall theme of that time period is about humans meeting other species and convincing them to start trusting each other. It makes sense to try to sabotage that mission as a way to stop the Federation from forming. I liked most of the temporal cold war, but due to cancellation they didn't end it very well, and they also had some unnecessary silly stuff about aliens helping the Nazis.

[@shauntempley9757]

@@iyziejane Those aliens were the Na'Kuhl. Along with the Sphere Builders, they are enemies at Procyon V. The time battle that Enterprise sees being fought, and Janeway sees being prepared for. Janeway is critical, because the enemy Flagship is the Annorax from Year Of Hell. The ship that was wiping out timelines as quickly as making them. It is also critical in stopping the Iconians, which blew up the Romulan Star, and tried to do the same to all key worlds in one firing sequence in Picard's finale of season 2.

[@jjjacer]

I do believe that the temporal cold war changed things as well, it could also be the cause of the other trek change, the jj verse movies. or multiverse theory, it all hurts the head as much as timetravel

[@davidm4566]

"There was no Romulan war imminent on Enterprise." That's not true, you can see them headed toward the Romulan war in S4. They were also planning on the war for S5.

[@RuturajZadbuke]

Exactly! That war was actually one of the stronger motivations for creating the federation. Very disappointed in this video.

[@ThePopcast]

I think you have something here. They could have easily gone that direction. I guess in our thinking because no one can really confirm where they were going in season 5 except some conjecture that Manny Coto wanted to do more Mirror Universe, we don't know for sure what would have happened. We could have 100% worded that better. Thanks for this comment David!

[@davidm4566]

@@ThePopcast Somewhere there's a list that was leaked or published of what they wanted for S5. Shran was also supposed to become a member of the Enterprise crew.

[@SecondCalling]

Please lets set @shuttlepodshow on that topic. May be they can get light on it. pitty they Bermann and Braga recently :-/

[@jasonpye4649]

@@davidm4566 yes I've heard this mentioned well over a decade ago at a convention I was at and the other stuff mentioned in this thread as several other different conventionsyes I've heard this mentioned well over a decade ago at a convention I was at and the other stuff mentioned in this thread at several other different conventions but people involved with the show or who had had previously been involved with Star Trek and still had connections to people in the company (Larry Nemecek).

[@apscreditcards]

I was sorry when they cancelled Enterprise because I knew that the Earth-Romulan war was right around the corner, and I had hoped to see it play out on Enterprise!

[@jonmcinnis1645]

Mark Wilson I think the romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on Nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel the former developer of Danny Phantom I am saying it should been made by the same people that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree

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[@stevenwallace9670]

Looks dreadful.

[@eugenhartwig]

Star Trek ist amerikanisches Produkt,es wird viel gesagt und gleichzeitig - gar nichts 😂 Unterhaltung für Amerikaner - Deutschen sind "der Feind" und die Russen 'blöd'.

[@kennethnystrom593]

I solved all most everything about Doctor Who during series 6. There are a few details here and there that is still in the air. But everything major about the show solved. I have tried to get atleast someone to get it. It is really not that to understand once one get the hidden knowledge and all the triple fakeouts of hidding the truth behind a lie that in fact is the truth. Premise 1. There have been numerous different timelines in the show but there is and have been 3 major ones. 1. The lost/alternate/previous Whoniverse (seen 2006/8) 2. The classic Whoniverse (seen 1963-2006; 2010, 2013, parts of series 5 a few scenes series 8 all of series 10; Flux 3.The new Whoniverse (the Big bang one) Seen 2006-today with the exceptions mentioned in point 2. Main Source; Amy Pond minisode Good night (her 2 different lives) =In Episode Eleventh hour there was two different Amelia/Amy Ponds living in two different Whoniversis remembering each others lives both at the same time due to exposureto the timevortex behind the crack in her wall. (Same effect Clara experienced in Journey into the TARDIS) But others have had the same effect examples Lady Penforte Silver Nemesis, Madame Pompadore, The widow in wardrobe sode. = The TARDIS crossed overmuch earlier into the new Whoniverse the Big bangsode. As early as end of episode Doomsday infact just before Donna was drawn to the TARDIS (the first time it went there) (10th in fact even told us so; long story very short here. "The last gap in the whoniverse is about to close" (this is in fact the big bang seen before it took place in normal time as it spread out from that moment. =as it happend in normal time it looked like it was closing toward the point it happend and spread out from. =Series 3 & 4 took place inside the new Whoniverse for like 99.8% Only the first scene in Stolen Earth took place within the clasic Whoniverse after Rose dimension cannon (and some help from the new guardians over time; yes new) made a route open again between the 2 Whoniversis. Each and every single time something wedding related was seen in the show the TARDIS jumped between the Whoniversis and the stepped off (they didnt step off in Stolen Earth inside the classic whoniverse) What everyone missed here in the stolen earth arc is that our classic Earth was returned to the wrong whoniverse and it ended up inside the new whoniverse. =there is atleast 3 different Earths inside the new whoniverse in our solarsystem. (our entire classic Earth is cloaked) + the 2 Earths that got "copied" into existance with the Big bang; Earth and Mondas Super super short as i type. Mondas had the exact same fate as our classic whoniverse but it was returned to the wrong whoniverse from the lost/previous Whoniverse into the classic whoniverse. ANd as im typing here instead of talking Our Doctor was born on the Earth that became Mondas and the mankind on Mondas became the Timelords as a female Rassilon saved all of mankind as thatEarth fell to the Cybermen with the very first TARDIS by saving everyone to its harddrive (twice) first as Mondas fell and a second save of everybody from 100.000BCE to 100.000AD as Rassilons original ppl tried to prevent the Timelords to rule over time in the classic whoniverse (they used to rule over time in the lost/previous Whoniverse) So they nudged everyone they could send against the Timelords (to stop them) including the Daleks. =The great Timewar was actully not against the Daleks at all but Rassilons original ppl (the Ragnarookians(the ppl from the end of time; of the lost/previous whoniverse) Aka also known as the Weeping Angels of old. Not to be confused with the Weeping Angels we normally think about. (they are in different Whoniversis) And the Weeping Angels of the new Whoniverse are also from the end of time. (the end of the classic whoniverse) AS! Missy tricked her past self into burning Gallifrey at the end of time (in the same moment it was frozen) =activating the Nightmare child plan (the ascention device from the OMEGA arsenal)(the capital letters are majorly inportant to not confuse Omega with OMEGA as Omega only ever was a tiny dustparticle from Rassilon original timemachine (OMEGA) Just as the Great inteligens, the 55 year old girl in Bells of St John and Tasha Lem (Name of the Doctor) amongst others. = As Gallifrey got both burnt and frozen in the same moment only those at the Gallifreyan high counsil fully ascended (the new Guardians over time (protecting thier ascention)) While everyone else on Gallifrey got trapped in an Schrödinger cat like state being both alive and ascend at the same time. = The Timelords are the Weeping Angels tht does everything they can to prevent us (Classic Earyhs mankind)from becoming the new rulers over time inside over on Trenzalore the former burnt/terraformed Gallifrey aka Akhaten/Ghost monument world/the crash of Bysantium planet; to name a few names of the former Gallifrey. =Our Doctor is no longer the Doctor. Handed over the role to Clara during the deamonstar speach (everything is in the lyrics to the song). +The ascended former Simms/Sasha Master was given the knowledge that must never be spoken (yes the parasite is the former Master) =Amongst the secret whom the Masters parents once was; was realised by the ascended former Master. This secret is what made Missy so regretful. As he/she got to know his/her always abscent father had always been at his side. Because the Valeyard (10th+ Donna) + Romana (ROse MArioN Tyler) over on Mondas was his birth parents (a hybrid child with parents from more then one Whoniverse) Because our Doctor was born as Toni Tyler with a mother from our Earth and Whoniverse and a father from the lost/previous Whoniverse (also a hybrid child with parents from two different Whoniversis) =All of new who = our Dark times as we become the new rulers over time with our now former Doctor as our eternal President and Caretaker and Curator While Claras raven save (CAL) will become the first Doctor (as Clara never knew she really is the Doctor. As CAL one day will realise this that shes the Doctor As RIVERS is the new timemachine for our time as we rule over time after our Earth falls to the Daleks in 5145AD and becomes new Skaro. PS Missy is the new Black guardian over time protecting and securing her ascention. Rose Tyler, Romana is the new White Guardian (this includes being Santa.) There are a ton of other details.... Ill happily fill in the rest if wanted. Just ask.

[@eugenhartwig]

@@kennethnystrom593 Ich habe mein 'Universalübersetzer' eingeschaltet und deine Ausführungen gelesen,-😂Du willst ein System dort finden wo kein System vorhanden ist.

[@williampilling2168]

I had the feeling that during Picard season 1, a writer said "Hey! Know what was great? Battlestar Galactica. Let's have cyborgs try to take out humans, have a race of Cylons, I mean, Synths that look like human, a ban on and paranoia of, AI, etc." Ooh! and Lord of the Rings was popular, and Romulans kind of look like Elves, let's give one a sword and dress him like Legolas.

[@Excalibur_LP]

And ooo, galaxy ending even by synthetic overlords like in Mass Effect

[@RicStorm616]

😂🤣😂🤣 Hilarious... ... But unfortunately most likely true 😕

[@rharris4736]

Well as much as I love Star Trek, it's not like ripping off other franchises is new. "Hmm. Babylon 5 is doing well. Let's make a Star Trek spinoff set on a space station full of aliens. We'll call it 'Deep Space Nine.'" "Hey, remember Battlestar Galactica and the whole 'one ship lost and trying to get home' gig? Let's make one about a ship lost on the other side of the galaxy and trying to get home. What should we call it? Hmm... Well, we can throw in a nod to the Voyager Probe, like we did with V'Ger."

[@williampilling2168]

@@rharris4736 Not sure the Voy/BSG thing holds up, but certainly many have said quite fairly that DS9 was a rip off of Babylon 5.

[@rharris4736]

@@williampilling2168 My knowledge of BSG is limited so you might be right. My point is franchises ripping off one another is nothing new. Star Wars novels ripped off the design of the Klingon Vor'Cha cruiser, painted it white and called it a "Marauder Corvette." The same novels then copied the Borg but created their own opposite (a race of assimilators who hate machines of any kind) and called them the Yuuzhan Vong. Then Star Trek took to Yuuzhan Vong idea (an utterly alien race from beyond, using living technology and bent on destroying everything) and turned them into Species 8472.

[@wschnabel1987]

Actually loved Enterprise, the NX class had elements that didn't seem all that out of place from displays to some interesting techincal glitches such as when the gravity failed temporarily due to another ship in their wake. It also showed some of the short comings of early prototypes as well vs being an established ship of the line such as the constituation class or galaxy class. That and I thought the beating it took at azati prime was impressive. The other thing I loved was the frenemy status between Archer and Shran.

[@robertaguilar2124]

Archer & Enterprise were great show dat last season & I would think dat it would be good 2 bring back Enterprise & Include Romulan War !

[@foxhound8502]

From what I heard if enterprise wasn't cancelled and allowed to go for another season or two we as fans would of seen the earth-romulan war but unfortunately the show was cancelled before we could see it happen

[@jasonpye4649]

I've heard the same well over a decade ago at different conventions from different people involved with the shows.

[@anthony0358]

I respectfully disagree. Bad writing and weak research in the real world explains all these inconsistencies with the various series. In past Star Trek series time travel stories had a goal of maintaining the integrity of the timeline. It’s a lesson to all TV series to stick to new stories rather than prequels which are traps to conflict with the existing material

[@MrChupacabra555]

While I agree with you, unfortunately whatever has been broadcast is considered 'Canon' now, so theories like this have to be made to have it all make sense. Yes, Enterprise did make some canon mistakes......if only we knew what would come with "Discovery" era trek, though.......

[@clarkstartrek]

Bad explanation for a Terrible Writing Staff. (A bunch of young writers who most likely never watched the TNG, VOY or ENT series) All I can see in these New Star Trek Series are timeliness that just don't add up to any of the Past Star Trek Series.

[@ThePopcast]

@@MrChupacabra555 Exactly. Thanks

[@AdiAfendi]

@@clarkstartrek New Trek series that don't add up to past Trek series = reboot, regardless of motivation.

[@davidm4566]

And every time they went back in time in previous Trek shows before Enterprise, it re-wrote the future; it didn't start a new timeline. Time travel in other franchises makes new timelines/dimensions/realities, but not in Trek.

[@shibolinemress8913]

I've always considered the events of First Contact and the Temporal Cold War to have caused major timeline shifts that explain the discrepancies in Enterprise and the shows that followed. Thanks for a great video!

[@RamChop451]

Yo This is the theory I subscribe to now, thank you for commenting this, it just opened my eyes. I'll keep this in mind on my rewatch

[@Alnarra]

I've long argued that the Federation getting it's grubby paws on Borg Technology 200 years earlier definitely had some strange effects; HOWEVER, it is strongly implied in the Enterprise Episode that the signal the Borg ship sent out was the lure that drew the Borg to System J-25 in the first place, thus implying that the events of First Contact were in fact a predestination paradox. I have even postulated that the very inception of Warp Technology working was a result of the Enterprise E's crew coming back to ensure the Phoenix's Warp Drive actually worked. That the Federation has Warp Technology because the Federation came back and ensured the Federation had Warp Technology. The Romulans and Klingons and their relationship has always been amusing. For instance the enemy in Star Trek 3 ending up being Klingons but were originally intended to be Romulans, but by the time that decision had come to pass, the models for the Bird of Prey were already well in place. As for incongruities with cloaking, it could easily be explained the "degree" to which the cloaking technology actually worked. What would have been considered stealth in the 19th century would now be considered so obvious on a radar that we would laugh if they called themselves "hidden". So the cloaking seen in TOS was simply advanced enough to actually fool TOS era sensors. Remember in Discovery, the cloaking device held by the T'Kuvma Kligons was considered incredibly strange or new for them. Though I do appreciate your efforts to explain the poor writing in Picard, good shot at that one.

[@ForeverDegenerate]

"I have even postulated that the very inception of Warp Technology working was a result of the Enterprise E's crew coming back to ensure the Phoenix's Warp Drive actually worked. That the Federation has Warp Technology because the Federation came back and ensured the Federation had Warp Technology." While an interesting theory, it isn't true. The Enterprise E did not go into the past to ensure that the Phoenix's Prototype Warp Drive actually worked. They went into the past to ensure the Phoenix actually launched. I don't think Geordi ever actually messed with the Warp Drive itself. I think they just ensured the structural integrity of the Phoenix itself and the casings around the parts were intact because, you know, the Borg were bombing the silo. This is proven by two scenes. The first is during the launch itself when Cochrane, in a mighty hangover, forgets where he put his Rock n' Roll Disc. Riker, not knowing what Cochrane is talking about when he says, "We can't launch without it" orders Geordi to abort the launch. Geordi, without hesitation, begins to comply. If Geordi had actually inspected the Warp Drive and its connected systems to "ensure the Phoenix's Warp Drive actually worked," he wouldn't have begun to abort. He would have been like, "I inspected the systems myself Commander. There's nothing wrong here. No abort necessary." The second scene that proves that the systems were never inspected to ensure operation is after launch some the mechanical parts of the consoles begin to malfunction. Riker asks if they should be worried that the readouts are wrong and Cochrane assures them that glitches like that are absolutely normal before banging on the console which corrects itself. If the Enterprise Crew were there to ensure the functionality of the Warp Drive, these two scenes wouldn't have happened. I fail to believe that Barclay, Data, and Geordi would have missed two potential failure points in the Warp Drive's functionality. I believe they assumed that as long as the Phoenix was allowed to actually launch and Zefram Cochrane was its Captain, the Warp Drive would function as intended. Why? Because their History Books say so. However, I will capitulate that your theory is probably the reason Riker and Geordi went with Cochrane on the flight. I believe THAT was them ensuring that the Warp Drive actually worked. However, in the end, they did absolutely nothing except tag along on a flight they had only read about in the History Books because there was nothing wrong with the Warp Drive. Cochrane had completed it shortly before the Borg and the Enterprise showed up. And Cochrane is a genius. So, in the end, while the intent was to make sure the Warp Drive worked, the Enterprise Crew did nothing to ensure it worked because they didn't have to. In the end, the Warp Drive would have worked with or without them. So the Starfleet History Books are, in fact, correct when they state that Zefram Cochrane invented the first ever functional Warp Drive. What the Enterprise Crew ACTUALLY did was ensure that Starfleet existed at all by ensuring that First Contact went off without a hitch like it was supposed to. So the more accurate statement would be Starfleet exists because Starfleet came back and ensured that the events that would lead to the creation of Starfleet happened. TLDR: The Crew of the Enterprise E were more worried about the launch of The Phoenix happening at all and making sure Zefram Cochrane was the Pilot/Captain rather than the Warp Drive functioning. And since the Phoenix was fully completed prior to The Borg and The Enterprise showing up, they, and especially Geordi, had full faith that the Warp Drive would function as intended because Zefram Cochrane was the one who designed and built it.

[@bcs2em625]

If there’s one thing I never liked about the TOS movie era was the overuse of Klingons as enemies and the almost total disappearance of Romulans. We only saw two Romulans, both ambassadors in ST:5 & 6 (and a few soldiers at Kitomer). I remember complaining about that back then. Some might say that ST: Picard swings the pendulum the other way and never features Klingons now, but back then some of us were disappointed in seeing Klingons in every one of the six TOS movies.

[@ForeverDegenerate]

@@bcs2em625 First off, we didn't see Klingons in The Motion Picture as that movie only dealt with V'Ger. And we didn't see Klingons in the Wrath of Khan. As the name would suggest, Khan was the villain. The Klingons didn't show up until Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. The Klingons, while present and did play a not insignificant role in Star Trek V, were not the main villain as that role goes to Sybok. The only two movies that featured the Klingons as Main Villains were Star Trek III and Star Trek VI. From a narrative standpoint, it makes sense for them to be the Main Villains in those movies. Secondly, to be fair, the Klingons were Kirk's Eternal Nemesis just like the Borg were Picard's.

[@bcs2em625]

@@ForeverDegenerate Read carefully what I wrote. I made no mention of the Klingons as being the main antagonists but that they were displayed for a cameo in every one of the movies. TMP had them at the beginning, battling V’Ger. STII featured a battle with them as part of the Kobayashi Maru scene. III has Kruge as the baddie. IV has the Klingon ambassador whining about Kirk & Co. V, as you said had another ambassador and the evil god displayed a Klingon face. Finally VI as we all know had them as the main antagonists. But all that is more than the two out of six movies where we saw a Romulan. And I myself and other fans I know of find the Romulans infinitely more complex and interesting than the bubba Klingons. But to each his own.

[@bcs2em625]

@@ForeverDegenerate Another thing too is that the Klingons were only Kirk’s eternal nemesis because the movies set them up to be. In TOS, Kirk encountered them maybe only one or two more times than he did the Romulans. If, as was stated that the writers of III went through with the original idea to make the Romulans have a Bird of Prey and be the chasers of the secret of the Genesis device, then it might have been one of them who would have been responsible for taking the life of his son and not Capt Kruge, a Klingon. Some one in charge wanted the Klingons to be featured prominently or at least cameo and thus the narrative moved in that direction during the movie era (and not necessarily in TOS, the TV series). As for Picard, yes the Borg were indeed his personal nemesis because early on while still in the series they made it personal by assimilating him and that carried forward into TNG’s movie era. BTW, I’m thoroughly enjoying talking Star Trek with y’all. You know it’s a good day when we talk shop about a great sci-fi franchise’s lore instead of all the vitriolic hate that exists out there that so many folks get worked up about.

[@cs7jay41]

It is being rebooted by the current production team, without them admitting it. The theory presented in the video is an interesting way to try & explain away/work around poor writing, lack of care & extremely frequent, glaring Canon violations by the current production team.

[@Andregrindle]

Yes I would agree with that. Alex Kurtzman has said that he doesn't see how you can have continuity in a sci fi cannon like Trek that was 51 years old when Discovery first aired. I don't think Kurtzman is an evil man or anything. But he just doesn't care about Star Trek in the same way many fans do. Don't know if any of you Trek fans feel as I do. But the one thing that separates Star Trek from most other sci fi is a grounded historical background between each series and its past. That's...continuity. Kurtzman seems to see Star Trek more as sci fi fantasy than thoughtful and grounded sci fi.

[@Moondog2010A]

Gate Keepers sure love to bitch and whine about the new Trek shows! Trolls gonna troll... :-)

[@aeg_music]

+1, the multiple timelines thing is just an excuse for poor production

[@Joker058]

From what has been said in many interviews, the Romulan war would have happened in Enterprise if they had been able to make season five since they have said that the scripts for that season had already been made but sadly they got canceled before they could do it.

[@mark2038]

Wouldn't the TNG crew work out that they had returned to a drastically altered the timeline? The first thing they would do when they return is check what impact they had on history. If there is a substantial alteration, why don't we notice it in DS9 or Insurrection and why does Picard & co never mention it? I like the basic idea though and I like the notion that SNW has willfully altered canon to hint at Pike avoiding his fate. That makes practical sense. If you are given specific information about a serious accident, wouldn't you take precautions you might not otherwise have done (while still being able to save the cadets)? I think Star Trek will eventually make multiple timelines canon.

[@josephm6770]

I agree with the comments above and below that this was by no means intentional on the part of the writers. But for the purposes of head canon, you could argue that Picard and co. had memories of the original timeline during the events of First Contact since they were caught up in the Borg sphere's temporal wake, but then once they returned to their own time, their memories changed to fit the new timeline, and they believed that the Borg encounter at First Contact had always been a part of history. If anything, they may have speculated "off screen" what their lives had been like before having that knowledge. Personally, I prefer to explain it with the Temporal Cold War (which I admittedly need to follow up on since I never finished Enterprise). There were so many changes to the timeline at that point that you could either say Discovery/Picard take place in a timeline that was since erased, or that they are part of a timeline created after the events of Enterprise, during a hypothetical resumption of Cold War activity. And of course the easiest "explanation" is just that anything which doesn't fit older canon is in an alternate quantum reality, collectively defined in TNG as every conceivable outcome of every conceivable action. I'd like them one day to settle on something in between: it always bothered me that changes to (and restorations of) the timeline simply erased everything and everyone up to that point. Seems awfully unethical to me, actually. But then if every timeline change simply creates a new reality like the Kelvin universe, then that takes away from the stakes of First Contact and Yesterday's Enterprise, where dystopian futures would continue unaltered. So there are no great solutions.

[@jeffgaboury3157]

I enjoyed Enterprise...but continuity issues like the Romulans having Cloaking Technology just drove me nuts. Interesting theory. It seems to retcon nicely the inconsistencies.

[@ThePopcast]

Same thoughts here, which is what spawned this head canon.

[@sergiofagundes1972]

Meh, it's just Fallout effect. Big history, idiots trying to create more history, retcons everywhere.

[@graced1338]

But wouldn't this mean that a significant portion of TOS will have either been erased, changed to a minor degree, or even sped up other events?

[@jlevogiani2012]

@@graced1338 - TOS happened, but in another timeline. The beauty of it is, it can happen all over again, in this timeline. Get ready for (some day) entirely new versions of every TOS episode, but with the tech updated to match the tech in SNW. Sigh.

[@graced1338]

@@jlevogiani2012 Just as long as they don't do Spock's Brain all over again.

[@davidgriffin9412]

This has been close to my theory all along, just I started telling my friends about it during Voyager. I have always thought that starting with TOS, every time that there is a time travel incident, some thing has been changed and the differences add up.

[@TwoTailedFox666]

My theory is that the Borg time-traveling to 2063 is what changed the timeline.

[@neutrino78x]

Well it's like Bond movies right. They can't all be in the same universe or Bond would be 80 by now lol. You already have to handwave a lot of science in Star Trek, it's very, very, very far from being Hard SF. So if you're handwaving all of that, you might as well handwave some minor inconsistencies with previous series/movies. :)

[@rjmeeks4152]

Exactly. This is acknowledged even more on STO game and Enterprise. See the battle of Procyon 5.

[@jasonpye4649]

@@neutrino78x are you are aware that it could be a sliding time scale like in comic book universes?

[@neutrino78x]

@@jasonpye4649 tell us more about sliding time scale, I don't read comic books :)

[@RenardThatch]

Your entire theory falls apart when 7 of 9 says "it's complicated but the Borg were present during those events." Referring to first contact during the year of hell two part episode.

[@MadDragon-lb7qg]

I've heard of this theory before. it was basically created to cover the inconsistency of later prequel shows like Enterprise.

[@martynromaine8518]

i think it just comes down to the writers not studying the loreof previous shows

[@ThePopcast]

Yes most likely it's something real world, however I have no control over that so I'm explaining the differences within the framework the existing canon provides

[@johnwhitman9814]

I love this theory. It makes so much sense just from its simplicity in explanation. I also like that it can tie up all of the Star Trek realities so neatly without having to be full of techno babble. If this js right we have the Original timeline and Mirror Universe then the Enterprise Timeline and Miror Universe along with the Kelvin Timeline. wow.

[@alanmaxwell5932]

Except that Voyager exists in the altered timeline, because Seven references the Borg being present at first contact

[@johnwhitman9814]

@@alanmaxwell5932 I think that Picard Sisko and Janeway in all their adventures would have some form of altered timeline presence in any episodes that take place after 1st Contact.

[@graced1338]

@@alanmaxwell5932 And the Voyager crew would be unaware of changes in their timeline.

[@jlevogiani2012]

@@alanmaxwell5932 - That's why I think the Temporal Cold War had a bigger impact, creating this new timeline, and not the events of First Contact.

[@alanmaxwell5932]

@@jlevogiani2012 that makes sense, and as ENT was the last version of Star Trek we have seen since Disco and Picard, (not counting Kelvin universe) it makes sense that stuff is a little different now

[@fryke]

"Or are we just barking up the wrong tree." Yes. You're thinking the people in charge of ST paid all the attention to timeline and details. They never really did. They simply did what they, at each time, thought would make good, sellable content after Gene had died. For quite a while Roddenberry's general ideas remained active, but we've only got an empty shell of that nowadays, and it started well within DS9 times.

[@curtismathews1582]

Are you saying Rod Jr. is in on the coup?

[@fernandogarajalde4066]

Credit also belongs in part to a young associate producer named Ronald D. Moore who disagreed frequently with Baker and changed both the Ferengi and the Dominion from one-season villains and comic figures to legitimate characters once Baker moved on full-time to the films. The same RDM who eventually left the franchise to market this crazy idea of a Battlestar Galactica reboot series to the SyFy channel. Oh, THAT Ronald D. Moore… 😆

[@katherineberger6329]

Buddy, I have news for you: Most of Star Trek's best ideas are things Gene fought tooth and nail against. The Klingons? They were absolutely not something Gene ever wanted. The Klingons returning in TNG? He hated it, but David Gerrold fought to have not just the Klingons in TNG but to have a Klingon officer on the Enterprise. Most of the best things in Star Trek, other than the basic idea, were always created by people other than Gene Roddenberry.

[@katherineberger6329]

@@fernandogarajalde4066 The whole CONCEPT of Deep Space Nine was something Gene HATED, but he was out of power by 1990 and by 1991 he was too sick to do anything about it.

[@ryanhau1073]

There is some speculation and mild foreshadowing in Strange New Worlds that they may ultimately change Pike's fate in the series. Regardless if that would be a good or bad thing, if we are dealing with an altered timeline, it could be done

[@jpspitzersf]

I hope they keep Pike's destiny so Vina has a happy ending. Strange New Worlds series ending, The Menagerie, parts I & II.

[@AaronShegrud]

But if the future that he saw was in the new timeline, then the only thing they could do is push out that fate rather than change it outright.

[@TheExpatpom]

@@jpspitzersf Good point about about Vina, and really it's a happy ending for Pike himself too. I think they have to keep Pike's fate unchanged anyway because his future accident doesn't take place until some years after he's been promoted and left the Enterprise. Presumably SNW isn't going with TOS the way TNG, DS9 and VOY could because SNW and TOS both take place on the same ship, so it's hard to see how that part of Pike's personal story could be folded into SNW. Perhaps something like the end of Terminator 2 and a hint to Pike that the future may not be fixed might work, but right now he seems to have chosen either to believe that it's not necessarily fixed or to stop second guessing and carry on as if he'd never had the vision of his future. It just feels to me like it's resolved in his head, plus we saw the results of the accident 55 years ago and the accident itself more recently. Even if they wanted to make a couple of Pike era SNW movies some day there's enough in-universe time before Kirk comes along to become the Enterprise CO. Aside from being a likeable character and Anson Mount playing him brilliantly there's just no reason to mess about with it.

[@DrewCosten]

The changes are obviously due to mistakes by the writers over the years, but contradictions have been happening as far back at TOS itself, so I’ve simply blamed it on time travel in general over the years. I view it as any one-off contradiction which is later ignored was an episode that took place during an alternate timeline that was temporarily created by the Temporal Wars (or the Temporal Cold War even), or just some other time travel event that was later undone by the time travellers (or maybe by the Travellers or Q or some other “gods” in the Star Trek multiverse), and any contradictions that seem to stick around are a new timeline (note I said “a,” not “the,” since I think this probably happens relatively regularly). First Contact/Enterprise has always been one of these events, in my mind, but Daniels’ time device seems to imply it’s probably pretty common.

[@thecooky7744]

hat is the same resining I put it to. time travel messes up every thing

[@kashmirgoat]

Can't we now blame Wesley and the Travellers for not sorting this shit out?

[@brynpookc1127]

@@kashmirgoat Always in favor of blaming Wesley

[@thewewguy8t88]

i mean heck contradictions happen within the same show.

[@Pidalin]

This is always problem about time traveling, they should finally standardize how it works, if you return to changed future after you return from the past or you created alternative future in different universe or how the hell it works. If it was first case, then Picard could just let Borgs do their things in the past and screw them. 😀

[@doomedhuh]

Maybe the timeline got reset when Seven and Raffi freed all those immigrants in Picard.

[@ThePopcast]

😂

[@joelm33]

It is true that the star trek time line has been rebooted. The sooner people realize that, the better off the francize will be.

[@ThePopcast]

I keep saying that same thing, I wish they'd just come out and admit it but that's not going to happen. Is also possible that in their minds via time travel from Star Trek first Contact they can justify that it's not a reboot but time travel modified the timeline or whatever wibbly wobbly nonsense, in reality it's a soft reboot starting with Star Trek Enterprise

[@joelm33]

​@@ThePopcast I do believe that time travel is the "in universe" explanation for the reboot. Here is a theory that you could maybe explore in a future video. In the DIS episode "If Memory Serves" we learn that Burnham was suppose to die. Her mother changed her fate by using time travel to warn young Spock of this fact, who then saved her life. This event created a ripple effect in the time line like we saw in TNG "Yesterdays Enterprise" and the TAS episode "Yesteryear." Burnham would go on to become Starfleet's "first mutineer" where as previously no one had ever done such a thing, as established in the TOS episode "The Tholian web." Spock's inability to logically explain this time travel incident is also what led him to end up in the insane asylum, wear as in the previous time line this never would have happened. Burnham would have died, Spock would have moved on and events would have played out as we use to know them. This theory does not explain the aesthetic differences but it would explain why characters and events are so different. We now have three time lines. The original time line, the Kelvin time line (which includes Picard) and the Discovery time line created by Burnham's mother) What do you think? Do you think this explains some things? If you agree, then please share these facts. I don't see enough people talking about the episode "If Memory Serves" and the changes that were introduced by Burnham's mother.

[@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010]

In star trek Discovery , Picard and now Strange New Worlds there have been a lot of references and Easter eggs all relating back to star trek Enterprise more so then all the other old trek shows combined. Its also worth noting that the current show runner of star trek says he wants to do an Archer spin off show more then anything else right now. This video might of nailed on the head what's going on.

[@demariushenderson1802]

With timelines, multiverses, time travel, and Q, how can anything in Star Trek remain ‘canon’? Even Roddenberry himself changed things to fit the needs of the story. Even real life isn’t canon, depending on who is writing history…

[@barrybend7189]

I can at least see Enterprise fitting into the old prime universe. But there seems to be issues when it comes to Discovery, Picard and Strange New Worlds. The last episode at least could be chalked up to being a bad Holovid. As the newer series have deliberate changes and retcons that undermine existing characters( that includes the ships as the TOS and TNG productions do say that the ships are as much characters as the rest of the crew).

[@ib9rt]

It could be that all the Star Trek shows are like reconstructions of distant events based on limited and incomplete records, much like dramas based on real historical events. Just as no-one knows exactly what happened at the time of Julius Caesar, so it is that no-one knows exactly what happened during the events of TOS, or Enterprise, or TNG. The story is told from the perspective of the story teller.

[@unkledak]

Well we know that the first episode of Enterprise is already different with the incident at Broken Bow. The mistake maybe in assuming that the time war Archer was involved with happened in the original Star Trek timeline.

[@jlevogiani2012]

Broken Bow was first contact with the Klingons. First contact of any kind (that humans knew of, heh heh) was, of course, in Colorado, and much earlier.

[@robertheinrich2994]

well, the thing I actually like with that theory: that would eradicate every problem with all the time travel. the timeline continues, and travelling back starts another timeline. this causes a problem: star trek picard first season shows, that a timeline continues, even if you leave it via time travel. it doesn't just vanish...

[@ToonamiT0M]

Very early on, I recognized the numerous continuity issues and rejected Enterprise from being canon with all Trek that came before. If Enterprise is connected to Kurtsman Trek, I don't care. I will personally say that at the end of First Contact, I feel Picard and crew returned to their own timeline, leaving behind a new time line that lead to Enterprise.

[@aw3752]

“Enterprise” screwed up a lot of stuff. I could never fully embrace it. However, compared to “Discovery”, it’s fantastic. If the horrific, illogical violations of established historic canon have a sensible explanation, why wouldn’t the show runners just show us a little respect and TELL US. At least JJ Abrams had the common decency to explains why the Kelvin timeline looks so different. I can accept those changes. Discovery (and Strange New Worlds) are just gaslighting us- telling us “oh, this is the prime timeline. This is just the way things have always looked.” Uh huh. I don’t understand. This theory, while plausible, would be embraced if the show runners of nuTrek would just TELL US. But nooooooo.

[@rafacasima]

Good theory. I aways like to think that was the Red Angel who created a New Timeline making everything after Discovery a new timeline. Your theory seems better thou

[@davea6314]

I think that there were scriptwriters who did not study 100% of the Star Trek storyline before they started writing.

[@halfbakedmedia]

I've always wondered what impacts Kirk and Picard had on the past, specifically that borg on Ent and The Voyage Home. I like the idea of that wiping away inconsistencies, because no way those things didn't have an effect.

[@MoonjumperReviews]

Excellent video! Salty's theory is very similar to what I have considered, and I often throw up a little homemade graphic illustrating the off-shooting of the timeline, which becomes the Discovery-verse. My take slightly different: It's absolutely true that "First Contact" set up a potential timeline split--and it might have indeed altered some things. However, the fact that Seven's parents were tagging Borg, years before the Enterprise-D ever encountered them, tells me that Starfleet was secretly aware of them--and that knowledge came directly from the NX-01. That happened on Voyager, presumably in the original timeline. So, one could argue that it was something that was always part of the timeline. That said...enter the Temporal Cold War. I think it's the Temporal Cold War which changes everything. Think about it: it's not just the Romulans who have premature clocking tech, it's the Suliban. And where did they get it from? Future Guy (who just happens to look quite Romulan in shape). He gave them the cloaking tech and the genetic tech. I always thought his motives were pro-Romulan, so why wouldn't he provide that tech to the Romulans as well, not to mention whatever that flee-ship is? Of course, he would! He wanted Earth to fail in the Romulan War. That was evident to me when I was watching ENT, season 1, twenty years ago. That tech naturally will make its way into Klingon hands, etc. And before you know it, we have the Disco-verse. I disagree with those who say the NX-01 and crew never existed in the original TOS timeline. I think the fourth season was clearly heading that direction. However, I do believe that the split occurred during "Enterprise" and that the NX-01 existed in both timelines, and that the TCW created the Disco-verse. As far as Picard's more dystopian outlook, I tend to think that's simply the aftermath of years of war with the Borg and the Dominion.

[@Darkcloudalpha]

Nah, if it was the First Contact crew that had so drastically altered the timeline then they would have noticed and commented on it in insurrection. While there may have been minor changes the timeline must be mostly intact. The easiest explanation is the temporal cold war constantly had parties trying to alter events to their own benefit and others trying to restore it to the "correct" timeline. The efforts of the good guys mean that most things stay basically the same (what we see on the shows) except for the writer continuity errors.

[@woodybattle4906]

You are giving the writers and producers of Trek much more credit than they deserve. Disregard for continuity and carelessness are a much more likely scenario than a deliberate planned reboot.

[@palinkay]

just a fun add on to your theory, the books exist in a splintered timeline that occurred during the moment the enterprise E went to the past, so its possible that this is indeed a new timeline created by that moment

[@jigsound]

Intriguing speculation! 👏 Time travel messes everything up, indeed 😉 Wonder when they are gonna marvel in more character variants from different timelines into the current one! 😅

[@rocketeer3667]

I must say that the presentation of The Popcast is absolutely topnotch! Very impressive. As far as the contradictory elements in some Star Trek series to others goes, I think that the best way to approach the issue is to consider those series as being set in similar but separate parallel universes, including parallel universes created by significant time travel incidents. In other words the original timelines continue on but additional split off ones are added to the multiverse.

[@ThePopcast]

I don't think it's branch theory, I think it's sacred timeline... However if it is branch then both can exist in parallel and we just wouldn't know it because we aren't following a timeline as much as we are following characters...at least when it comes to Picard.

[@robertcartier5088]

Timelines and multiple universes are two different concepts... Conflating them at will only leads to madness. The new Trek people have forgotten this and embraced the madness. Indeed, the multiverse, as used in media, has become a lazy excuse to get away with absolutely anything without having to back it up with any reasoning whatsoever. Sadly, by showing the same level of disregard for canon, by rehashing the same tired stories, and by being plagued with sophomoric writing, I believe Star Trek has become a second-rate comic book with prettier graphics! Deluding myself to accommodate talentless hacks is not my idea of a viable approach. I'll still keep an eye open out of respect and hope, but in the meantime I will continue to enjoy The Orville as a well needed respite from the madness. Sure, The Orville ain't Shakespeare, but it doesn't pretend to be anything it is not. Cheers! ;-]

[@rocketeer3667]

A timeline in which no time travel whatsoever takes place would be, by definition, the only "Sacred Timeline".

[@rocketeer3667]

@@robertcartier5088 Altering history creating a new universe parallel to the one that had been altered is a science fictional possibility. Sorry. LOL

[@robertcartier5088]

@@rocketeer3667 You realize that in that last reply you are still conflating timeline altering and parallel universe creation... Using the past tense to indicate that the original timeline is no more is a blatant example of what I was talking about. A timeline change does not require the creation of another universe, it should simply alter the future. The creation of a parallel universe pre-supposes that the original universe still exists... So, which is it? A modified future in the same universe or a parallel universe where the future is different and the original universe goes on unaffected? So, yeah, like I insinuated before... It is a very lazy "science fictional possibility" for talentless hacks who can't write their way out of a wet paper bag. Congrats, you are clearly the target audience for this drivel! ;-]

[@WinstonCodesOn]

Good theory to make sense of the producers' lack of effort in keeping canon together. Fans seem to blow off the impact of First Contact's events, followed by the Temporal War of Enterprise. I think Enterprise was actually a reboot that they can use to reboot everything going forward.

[@russellwilliams9437]

a series based around this idea would be awsome

[@ladyraynainutaisho3.26]

You're right about everything short of “The federation-Romulan War” which would have been full out explained starting in Star Trek: Enterprise’s Season 5. Which lasts for at least them, the next 4 years. And from that, it splits off into one of two universes. One was the Star Trek: Reboot, and the other was Star Trek: Discovery with its continuation Strange New Worlds.

[@NihilusShadow]

Enterprise wasn't a reboot. It was never meant to be a reboot. The TOS USS Defiant literally appears on the show and the final scene of the series features the TOS Enterprise and William Shatner reciting a portion of "These Are The Voyages..." It's not a reboot. It's not an alternate timeline. I have never liked this theory. I will NEVER support this theory. Enterprise WAS working their way towards the Earth-Romulan War. The Romulans WERE trying to conquer the quadrant. Every episode featuring the Vulcan-Andorian conflict was the direct result of Romulan manipulation. They were trying to destabilize the quadrant, but then some species called "humans" from some backwater planet showed up and started interfering with their plans. That's why they didn't succeed. That's what led to the Earth-Romulan War and that's why the other species joined humanity and formed the United Federation. The thing about the cloak has always been blown out of proportion. Any navel ship painted in grey stripes or any plane covered in radar absorbent material is cloaking itself. Whether it be from the naked eye or from radar, the concept of concealing yourself is and was not new during the events of "Balance of Terror". You see Enterprise did show species like the Suliban and Romulans using "cloaking" devices, but they actually referred to them as a form of "Stealth Technology". They would also go on to explain that the stealth tech manipulates particle radiation to conceal the vessel. At one point Tucker is exposed to this and his arm goes invisible. This is important because it means the technology used in the 22nd century is not the same technology used by the Romulans in the 23rd. The Romulan's 23rd century cloak operated by bending the light around the ship. Agent Daniels would then show the Enterprise crew how to build a "quantum beacon", which was a sensor capable of penetrating this 22nd century stealth tech. This robs that tech of its advantage because it no longer hides the vessel from Enterprise's sensors. This is important when reviewing the scene in "Balance of Terror". When the Romulan Bird-of-Prey reappears to attack the station, the Enterprise crew watches the vessel decloak, attack and then cloak again. The crew doesn't react to this right away and only acknowledge that it must have to decloak in order to fire it's weapon. KIRK: Position of the intruder, Mister Spock. SPOCK: Disappeared. Interesting how they became visible for just a moment. KIRK: When they opened fire. Perhaps necessary when they use their weapon. They honestly don't appear to be that impressed with the fact the ship could appear and disappear and appear more interested in how the weapon works, that is until the Enterprise enters sensor range. SPOCK: I have a blip on the motion sensor. Could be the intruder. KIRK: Go to full magnification. SULU: Screen is on full mag, sir. KIRK: I don't see anything, I can't understand it. Why is Kirk surprised? They literally just watched it appear and disappear. They know it's invisible, but he's surprised they can't see it? Well I believe it makes perfect sense if you actually factor Enterprise into the canon. Stealth technology like this has been around for at least a century, but the NX-01 had developed a quantum beacon which could penetrate the cloak. At the time it was a separate device they had to deploy independently from their standard sensors, but I would imagine future Starfleet vessels would incorporate this technology into their standard sensor packages and Kirk's USS Enterprise had one. This is why Kirk was surprised the Enterprise couldn't see the Romulan Bird-of-Prey. Now you could argue that Spock mentions "invisibility" was theoretical and the ship went invisible so this was the literal first time they were encountering invisibility, but this really depends on your definition of invisible. The quantum beacon is able to penetrate stealth technology and if it can see the enemy vessel, then is it really "invisible"? Again, the concept of concealing yourself from visual or sensor detection is not a new concept. Ships capable of going invisible doesn't appear to be out of the norm for Kirk and Spock judging by their non-reaction when they see the ship go invisible. They're only surprised when the Enterprise enters range and SHE can't see the vessel. It's because the Romulans had apparently found a way to become truly invisible to Starfleet sensors. Of course this didn't shield them from Enterprise's motion sensors, but it's a prototype. "Stealth technology" on Enterprise is not sufficient evidence to warrant an alternate timeline or reboot. 10:02 I'd suggest you rewatch Enterprise. ALL of the Vulcan-Andorian conflict was the result of the Romulans TRYING to start a war. This is revealed in Season Four. The show was building to the Earth-Romulan War, we just didn't see it because the show was canceled before we could. Mirror Archer also checks the USS Defiant's database, (once again reminding you Enterprise connects with TOS), and the history of the Federation shows the Romulan War lasted from 2156 to 2160. The following year the United Federation of Planets was formed. No, I do not believe Anti-Trekker's theory. Not for one bit. First Contact took place during DS9 Season 5 and Voyager Season 3. If the Enterprise-E returned home to an alternate timeline, then wouldn't that mean the last half of DS9 and most of Voyager are also in this timeline? The events of Star Trek: First Contact are mentioned in both, with Sisko confirming the Borg attack on Earth and Seven of Nine mentioning that the Borg were present during the events of First Contact. Sorry, but First Contact changed NOTHING. The Borg in First Contact was a "Pogo Paradox". DUCANE: The Pogo Paradox SEVEN: A causality loop in which interference to prevent an event actually triggers the same event. DUCANE: Excellent. Can you give me an example? SEVEN: The Borg once travelled back in time to stop Zefram Cochrane from breaking the warp barrier. They succeeded, but that in turn led the starship Enterprise to intervene. They assisted Cochrane with the flight the Borg were trying to prevent. Causal loop complete. DUCANE: So, in a way, the Federation owes its existence to the Borg. SEVEN: You're welcome.

[@batkinson001]

I agree with this. Also good to know what a pogo paradox is, thanks.

[@richardthompson6079]

An amazing in depth description of the erosion and eventual destruction of Roddenberry's vision for humanity.

[@printerman99]

If I remember correctly, the Klingons had cloaking Tech at the same time the Romulans did, during TOS

[@pamatthew99]

I think as with many shows this is a result of just not caring about Canon when writing scripts for Trek. All these shows were not carefully crafted and consideration for fans that want a show to follow a logical path was thrown aside. Time travel is always an easy out. It's use is for lazy writers and that writing has allowed for the mistakes to occur.

[@BigFunnyGiant]

canon canon canon everyone whining about canon. Gene Roddenberry didn’t even care about canon.

[@MrCcoolg]

@@BigFunnyGiant This is so true but even Gene recognized keeping some storylines consistent. That's what any good writer/ creator tries to do. It makes telling future stories more believable to your viewers, which is why you bother to do shows in the first place. For fan creation and the profits off of them.

[@batkinson001]

An interesting theory, as good as the one that states everything after Generations is happening inn The Nexus, Picard never left, he just thinks he did. Seriously though, First Contact did change things and Enterprise is a direct result of that thanks to the Borg debris found in Regeneration. Picard and the Dept of temporal Investigations should have removed it all from Earth to prevent these changes. But they didn't.

[@ThePopcast]

Agreed 👍 I remember watching regeneration 20 years ago and thinking the same thing. I'm glad I could verbalize it now on youtube.

[@RadzPrower]

Unless of course it's predestination paradox and the Enterprise was always present during First Contact...including the Borg debris. Also, the DTI at this point in time would have been unable to actually FIX the timeline regardless since they only documented the changes rather than being able to actually time travel and correct any issue.

[@doriWyo]

Berman has said that he had plans to go in to the Romulan war, in later seasons, but the show was canceled before that could happen.

[@krim7]

Of course the Romulan ship outclassed the NX Enterprise. Literally everything did in that show. Humans were interstellar babies. The Federation's Starfleet was given technology from the Andorians, the Telerites and the Vulcans to super charge them into interstellar relevance.

[@lordchaos52]

it does have a huge logic to it. cause and effect / butterfly effect. i do really like this idea in all honesty. its probably the only fan theories i have actually liked. it makes a lot of sense really. awsome video :D

[@MrXon]

I've seen this explored in the past, that First Contact film altered the timeline, introducing the Borg to humans earlier, why technology is more advanced during Enterprise series. But Enterprises' Temporal War had a hand in the changes as well, considering they had future tech left behind by Temporal Agent Daniels in his room, with schematics of future tech. It was locked up, but who got a hold of that after the NX-01 was retired?

[@donpietruk1517]

Reed was Section 31.

[@MrXon]

@@donpietruk1517 Yes he was and had access to Daniels' quarters where they stored his future tech which displayed future tech!

[@donpietruk1517]

@@MrXon Yep. He essentially was Chief of Security and would have access to every area on the ship. No one watching over him except captain and xo.

[@chrismantonuk]

Great video, and may I say the choice of background music is excellent. Very atmospheric.

[@Thermool]

For all we know, those in production and writing currently are using a form of this and calling it canon

[@spaceexpireaudio666]

They also mention in TAS that Humans had 2 wars with Kzinti prior to ST ENT, but I don`t remember if they ever mentioned it there? Would be cool🙃

[@NeilNadelman]

Uh, not quite. The Kzinti only ever showed up in the animated series, not TOS. I don't think we got any mention of them in a live action series till Riker name-checked them in Picard S1.

[@spaceexpireaudio666]

@@NeilNadelman my bad. I wanted to write TAS

[@AmericanShia786]

I remember in the DS9 episode that register the TOS Trouble with Troubles events where Star Fleet was concerned about the anomalies caused by Captain James T Kirk. I also remember reading a short science fiction story in my early teens (the early 1970s) where time travellers went back to the Cretaceous Period, and by just stepping on a butterfly, those traveller saw that a somewhat fascist political candidate who was predicted to lose an election was now expected to win. So, yes, the theory discussed in you video makes quite a bit of sense. In fact, I let what I thought were problems with canon in the various Kurtzman Star Trek Series slide for that reason. I should have noticed the problem in the episode in Enterprise where that Enterprise in outclassed by the Romulan ship. Shame on me!

[@brettcooper3893]

that story you're referring to was by Isaac Asimov. There was a full episode of it made in the early 90s.

[@omegatired]

I know that story! Something about The Sound of Thunder? Loved it and that the dangers of seemingly insignificant actions can have immense results.

[@akeel_1701]

stepping on a butterfly: A Sound Of Thunder by Ray Bradbury

[@billkeithchannel]

I also read that same story in high school English class (1981). He had to go off of the path to retrieve the bullet from the dead dinosaur carcass he just shot.

[@dustygrant3043]

A sound of Thunder was a short piece written by Ray Bradbury!!!!!! I also remember reading IT in high school!!!!!!! I also remember a movie called the Butterfly Effect!!!!!!!!!!

[@bcs2em625]

One thing that always struck me as odd about the movie ST: Generations was the fact that the Enterprise B (at the tail end of Kirk’s era) rescues El- Aurian refugees who were fleeing the Borg’s attack on their homeworld and no one debriefed them once the B got back to a starbase and found out about the Borg such that Picard & crew were totally blindsided when Q introduces them nearly a century later? Then Guianan speaks up? I get the whole top secret stuff, but surely Picard would have top secret need to know clearance similar to Janeway with the Omega Directive, no?

[@999benhonda]

Enterprise might not have got all the details right, but it was still a trek show about a hopeful future where humans tried to better themselves. Discovery, Picard...those things don't exist in those shows.

[@drewd2]

I don't know exactly how you define a reboot, but I do think that Enterprise is when they started prioritizing other things than canon. Pre-Enterprise, it felt like the first priority was fitting properly into canon, second was making the science work reasonably, and then from there build out the story and characters. Some people just want to make their own show and not be hamstrung I guess. The biggest problem is that they still pretend it's all in canon and a continuation of the franchise.

[@DenverStarkey]

"it felt like the first priority was fitting properly into canon second was making the science work reasonably, and then from there build out the story and characters." LOL nope not how tv writing works . their first concern had always been telling a compelling human relatable story , second priority is to make sure the characters inside that story stay in character , or if they don't there has to be some reason or change as to why the character changes. fitting properly into cannon was always the next to last concern , with the last concern being making the science work. Hell it wasn't even a concern , the scripts were mostly blank lines any time tech was mentioned and the writers just played fill in the blanks with techno babble that sounds legit right before filming. Getting science right was NEVER a concern of any TV show writer. this isn't Issac Asimov novel creation here. or even an outlimits episode where the tech plays an actual role in the story telling. to TV writers and producers tech and science is just another prop, not a focus. it's set dressing , and to tv writers that set dressing can and does change fluidly for the situation in the story. no star trek writers were never concerned for science making sense. any real world scientist , doctor , engineer or what have you can tell you how star trek is the worse sci-fi when it comes to actual science , it's not even half a step up from star wars with it's space wizards weilding swords of light. you want hard science in your fiction , read Issac asimov novels. you want a compelling human story that doesn't let pesky things like reality, science or physics get in the way of story telling , watch star trek and star wars.

[@christheghostwriter]

This is ridiculous, and as Denver Starkey noted, it's not how TV writing works. First of all, the original series violated its own "canon" multiple times, and every Trek show since then has done the same. Why? Because no one gives a s*** outside of obsessed geeks. There are no secret rebooted timelines, or any of the other garbage that gets tossed around by people who simply can't handle when a show doesn't perfectly align with all of their expectations. All of the films and series take place in the same timeline, outside of the three Abrams films. That's it. End of story. Grow up and deal with it. The only real consistency you should expect is in the broad strokes, i.e., that the show takes place in a world where a Federation of planets exists, where Starfleet represents the military and explorative capabilities of the Federation, and where technologies such as warp drive and transporters exist. There are vulcans, there are klingons, there are romulans, there are andorians, etc etc, but to expect (let alone demand) that every detail about all these things remains perfectly consistent across five decades worth of entertainment products is absurd. In fact, it's downright weird.

[@christheghostwriter]

Also, "making the science work reasonably" is silly and false. The show relies on two magic technologies: faster than light warp drive and transporter systems. Both of these things have been INCREDIBLY inconsistent across the span of the franchise. For example, it's never clear how the transporter works. Does the transporter move you or does it reconstitute you with new materials? The answer to that question has changed from show to show and sometimes even episode to episode, depending on what is needed for dramatic purposes. If it moves you, atom for atom, to a new location, it would be impossible for the episode where Kirk is split into two separate kirks. Where did the atoms for the second Kirk come from? Or where did all the extra atoms go in the episode where tuvok and neelix are joined into one person? And if it reconstitutes you with new atoms, that makes it a murder machine. The transporter is just one example of Trek technology that is both ridiculous and completely inconsistent. The same goes for tech like phasers, deflector shields, and sensors. And don't even get me started on the silliness and inconsistencies of the holodeck. Bottom line: the idea that the technology in Star Trek has ever been consistent, let alone reasonable, just does not align with the facts

[@drewd2]

@@christheghostwriter There are differences between small canon issues and major canon issues, and Modern Trek like STD make it impossible to believe what is going on because the issues with canon are so major and core to the franchise.

[@drewd2]

@@christheghostwriter The transporter copies your pattern, deconstructs it, and then reconstructs it at a different location. You are actually a different entity after being transported. Just because something like FTL is not completely explained scientifically does not mean that it is impossible. Generally speaking, though, we do want basic explanations of how things like this work in Star Trek. In Modern Trek, I just want the chronology to remain coherent, which it hasn't. That's setting aside that the writing is just absolutely trash. The dialogue is awkward, they don't know how to address issues because they tell you how to think unlike The Orville, who knows how to address issues, and focusing on mental issues for every character gets old really quickly. The Red Angel shit is a joke, too.

[@josephmarchione3319]

In the original series, the "discover" time travel twice ("The Naked Time", and "Tommorow is Yesterday"), and use it on purpose once ("Assignment: Earth"). Without the ship, they even time-traveled in "City on the Edge of Forever". And each time it was "Hey cool, we just time traveled!" like they just discovered it. There have always been inconsistencies. The ship design inconsistencies are simply due to changed production values over the years. the TOS Enterprise was advanced in the day, but so many years later, it would look cheap on the big screen, so the same ship in the Kelvin timeline looks a LOT different. In the Discovery era, they explain away their advanced drive'd ship by classifying it and (once again, time travel) sending it to the future. Though one would think that some high-up Federation big-whig might secretly declassify it in order to bring back Voyager! If a Discovery-class ship were around, the Voyager entire series would have been a two-part episode. Shows like this are always in the position of having to advance the story and the format on the one hand, but having to avoid contradicting what they've already done. What makes Star Trek unique in in this regard, is they've done SO MUCH at this point, that they're bound to mess up once in a while! Who can forget Scotty coming out of his transporter loop, and on hearing that the ship that saved him was the Enterprise, exclaimed "I'll bet Jim Kirk himself hauled the old gal outta mothballs to come lookin' for me!". Later in "Generations" we find out that Kirk, with SCOTTY PRESENT, get sucked off into the Nexus, and is presumed dead--this being, timeline-wise, before Scotty takes his fateful trip. The producers DID realize this, but hoped no one would notice. Yeah, right! These are Star Trek fans we're talking about. We notice EVERYTHING! My own personal theories on the timeline: There IS NO "Kelvin timeline". Post-TNG Spock tries to prevent a Romulan disaster and fails, but realizing his error goes back in time to try to correct it to prevent the failure, but goes back too far. Nero follows and changes history by attempting to prevent Kirk from ever happening, and destroying Vulcan. This changes events of early original series, but this all happens post-Enterprise and post-Discovery, so it doesn't change the events there. My one question here is young Spock. Would this also be post-SNW? I guess it would have to be! So Spock-Prime does his best Hari Selden and guides history back on the "right path", getting Kirk in command of the Enterprise instead of his younger self. And things happen pretty much as they should, albeit a tad differently. Khan still happens, but not the same way as in TWoK. There may or may not have been a Genesis device, but Spock doesn't die there. Presumably, there has to be a trip to the past to save the whales, because the whales disappearing also predates the Nero change, and the alien probe happens outside the sphere of Nero's changes, so that would happen in any case. By the time TNG hits, history is more-or-less back on track, and has pretty much self-corrected, as the changes that Nero made might have been big on a local level, but it's a big universe--a lot that happened would happen anyway, and drag the rest of history with it, back to its normal course. As someone else mentioned, that the 5th season of Enterprise would have dealt with the Romulan war. Just because we skipped over that, due to that horrendous series finale, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Oh... my own theory on Enterprise. The series finale turns out to be a holodeck program, played out on the Enterprise-D, and this based off of the historical record. But of course we know that some things get classified, some things are not recorded accurately, and well, some things are out-and-out lies! The way I figure it is Trip didn't actually die, but was conscripted into Section 31 (probably in a trade-off to save the ship). In order to cover his "disappearance", he was recorded as having died heroically. To further my theory, I'm offering as evidence, Kelso from the episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (the first guy, timelinewise, to die in the original series). I'm retconning Kelso as a descendant of Trip--hey, look at them! They COULD be related, no? My point being... not all inconsistencies are inconsistencies. They may simply be events that haven't been explained or "retconned" yet....

[@trapperjohn6089]

Picard started the temporal Cold War. Also, the Voyager and it’s crew may have been temporarily shielded during the first contact incursion. They along with the crew of the enterprise may be the only people from the prime timeline.

[@MrThomasCWest]

The Romulan vessels used in the episode Minefield could also have been Tal Shiar vessels and the events of Minefield, much like Regeneration, could have been classified top secret at the highest levels of Starfleet of the day.

[@AdiAfendi]

I'm 49 and huge fan of Trek all my life. I find this reboot refreshing. Been enjoying the current shows despite the liberties taken with canon. This vid is a good explanation. Thank you.

[@frankb3347]

Regardless of if you love it or hate it ENT/DISC/SNW are blatantly in a more technologically advanced timeline then TOS/TMP/TNG/DS9/VOY. Not sure why they won't just admit what we can all plainly see. I'd be a lot less angry at the new stuff if I weren't being gaslite about it.

[@ThePopcast]

Thank you my friend, this is exactly what we are trying to do with this theory, add a little head canon that hopefully enhances your experience. Thanks for the comment, hope to see you next video.

[@AdiAfendi]

@@frankb3347 I'm sorry but I'd be a hella lot more frustrated if, say, SNW portrayed a less advanced technology than what was shown in a 1960s sci-fi show. How we perceive the future should be a reflection of today's technology, as how people 60 years ago perceived future tech from their POV. It needed an update. It needed a reboot.

[@EFJoKeR]

I think, when talking about time travel, you forget one little caveat - Time forks as we know, all the time, based on every single decision and event, big and small... Massive amounts of "alternate universes" at any given time... But the "Grandfather paradox" prevents you from making changes to your own timeline, and then returning to that exact same one... I think when you return, you return to one as close to the original one, as can get, if you got the right technology, but not the "ORIGINAL" one... And the more you time travel, the further you get from that one... I don't even think Q, in all their might, can get you there. You might end up in a time line, almost identical to the one you left, but with ONE single change... It may not sound like much... The change may be as simple as a boy on the street has a blue lollipop, instead of a red one... That may change him in the future, to marry Tina, instead of Holly... Time is a fickle mistress to be sure... So even Picards latest time travel, will change the future of all Star Trek... Even if you promised them a safe return to the time line they left.... Maybe a time travel in the past, is now the reason Klingons look the way they do today ?? Time travel will mess you up, if you think too much about it... Hahah... Great video though... Love talking about time travels...

[@richardthelionheart01]

I believe the Guardian of Forever has the power for precision regarding time.

[@EFJoKeR]

@@richardthelionheart01 I don't think so... Not even they, can do the grandfather paradox... But if they could, i'd love to hear their take on how that's achieved...

[@AbelMcTalisker]

In Star Trek there is no such thing as a "Prime" universe. Just a lot of different quantum realities which sometimes interact with each other. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3asZJuhjb6ghcU

[@markgardner4426]

The Discovery timeline with its various offshoots is not the same universe as TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY for many, many obvious reasons. Now Enterprise could be in a different universe than the original Prime timeline. I count Prime timeline, Mirror Universe, Kelvin timeline and Discovery timeline but it is possible there are more at play here, so trying to link them all just does not work. Enterprise could be pre-TOS or pre-DISC but there is no way it could be both (or it may be its own unique timeline).

[@sarreqteryx]

Whilst the producers like to claim it's the same timeline, there are too many things out of whack for it to be so. TNG didn't even end in the same timeline as when TNG started after "Yesterday's Enterprise", although that wasn't as big a split as this.

[@charleslennonbaker]

Several timelines intersect; this was explained during the 1st season of Discovery years ago. After nearly three decades, DS9 appears to still be the bastard child of the franchise. DS9 premiered BEFORE Voyager, but this video shows it last. Back to the story: DS9 is the 'key' to the so-called reboot. The Wormhole Aliens don't perceive linear time and don't exist in it. The Sisko has one foot in their dimension and one in his [the prime] timeline. There were at least five, possibly six incidents in the series [DS9] where there was a corruption of the prime timeline. The characters knew of the corruption through documentation (hard data/records), or they remembered things the way they were before and after their experiences after traveling in time.

[@topclips1872]

Was going to say this. This has happened going back to TOS. Almost everytime they travel through time they make some small change. As long as the essence remains it is Trek. It was a rocky road but Strange New Worlds has gotten there.

[@ThePopcast]

Our listing of the Rick Burnham shows was not chronological, it was just a personal ranking.

[@billkeithchannel]

Yes Dolly had braces on her teeth.

[@HepCatJack]

The advancements seen in Enterprise versus how tech was during the original series isn't due to Zephram Cochrane's warning about the Borg nor of extra research because of it. It is instead due to Henry Starling changing the past by reverse engineering a time ship from the then 29th century (in Voyager). He replaced IBM, Microsoft and Apple by putting out products that were far superior. This change made for a more advanced Federation in the time of Enterprise. The warning about the Borg may have caused Section 31 to be created just in case, as an Earth security force just in case which would make it older than the Federation.

[@curtismathews1582]

Yes, I, being a day 1 Trekker (9/8/66) had felt Starling had more influence than was first thought. I am also a little bit Bozo 🤪 😜, because I believe my beloved Star Trek is real and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy Bless you and yours!!!

[@ThePopcast]

Cool idea, a little to deep cut but very clever. Thanks for the comment

[@jd7062]

Not possible, once they stopped him, another earlier version of the Captain Braxton appeared and fixed the timeline. They did this by going back and making sure none of the technology ever got into the hands of Starling in the first place and also returned Janeway and her crew to the last known point in the Delta Quadrant.

[@HepCatJack]

@@jd7062 Starling may have done something to prepare for such an eventuality perhaps by storing the data in another quantum Universe where changes to his timeline wouldn't delete it. He could have set up something that would give him back the tech in such an eventuality. It's also possible the time war faction interfered in the reset.

[@jd7062]

@@HepCatJack this is reaching and both of these theories here are just bad excuses to try and make any of Kurtzman and JJ's so called Trek seem like it is like any other Trek show. Everyone of these shows are terible and bad representations of what Star Trek is about, well maybe except for 2 shows, 'Strange New Worlds' and 'Prodigy' all the rest is a mess of canon hating characters!

[@andycooper6085]

Was no Romulan war during 'Enterprise'. It was planned for later seasons that didn't happen and eventually happened in the pocketbooks novels - which is still that new timeline that led to Discovery.

[@Knightfall182]

This *doesn't make sense* ..................... because they actually showed the TOS Enterprise and the TOS Constitution bridge on "Enterprise" 🤨 Meanwhile, Kurtzman Trek goes a different route with it.

[@greybeard5123]

And then the last season of Picard rebooted it again. Twice, once at the start of the season, then again at the end. The one at the start of the season sort of matches what would have happened if Cochrane had been believed. But if the theory in this video was an intentional reboot on Bergman's part, then most of the last season of Picard should have been set on Cochrane's time, shortly after his flight. Since it wasn't, maybe the theory presented in this video is wrong. Or maybe it is was one of so many reboots that the franchise has lost all sense of continuity. Consider the impacts to TNG, DS9, and Voyager of a Borg Queen who knows that a Borg-Federation alliance will be required in the mid future to save the galaxy. Of having Borg who don't believe Resistance Is Futile and who only assimilate those who wish to be assimilated. Locutus and 7 of 9 would never come to be.

[@grit9938]

Picard is it's own political creature and has nothing to do with any existing show or movie. It's too disconnected from everything in existence, even the new stuff.

[@scottxavier]

The BEST Star Trek theory I’ve heard in decades. Answers so much.

[@MrCcoolg]

All I know is that the whole literary Trekverse has been wiped clean by the Star Trek: Coda trilogy. 20 years worth of stories (of which I was attempting to enter with my own story) had Literally been wiped from existence. I'm Really pissed by that one.

[@dgenergene4418]

To be honest this theory is likely the best to go with, This way canon is renewed and storytelling becomes much easier being freed up, I'll go with that

[@rebootamericadopes]

I'm glad my theory that I have been posting all over youtube has finally been picked up...but you got it half right. yes first contact is ground zero for the new new prime...i refer you to the star trek flight chronometer manual.. its the prime universes history book from the moon landings to star trek tos. before picards meddling ...earths slooow progress to warp one was hard earned. and technology progressed slowly to march up with st:tos levels. the sttng crew meddled and helped trchnologicly the pheonix warp 1 teat. the interfered in the struggke of the hatching butterfly that is star trek. thats why nx01 is more advanced for it to be for at tos. thats why St discovery is way too advance that kirks prime time line. so yes. from stfc to today its all a other time line

[@ThePopcast]

Post it hear next time, or in our discord. We have a pretty tight not group of theory crafters over here and we love talking about trek.

[@jamessizemore1446]

Roddenberry's vision of the future contradicts that of the establishment, this's why the original show was canceled by NBC and a reason for its reboots.

[@englanddg6227]

I was gonna comment that Salty-Trekker came up with this a long time ago. Thanks for giving him credit! And, wonderful breakdown.

[@miketeppen1511]

In the end, Star Trek is a story. Stories are told and retold over and over again. Very rarely staying the same. I believe that Strange New Worlds is the lastest in rebooting Star Trek

[@paulosullivan3472]

Its a good attempt at trying to explain the current series terrible writing and poor decision making. I prefer to just carve discovery out of my head and not consider it cannon though, I think that works better.

[@ThePopcast]

That's fair.

[@grit9938]

I think everyone is eventually just going to have to accept that STD is the reboot and everything made prior is a separate universe. I think going forward we're with what we have.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

Well I was shocked to see multiple androids basically used as slave labor after Guinan's speech about disposable people. She does sense alternate time lines.

[@ThePopcast]

Agreed.

[@AT2Productions]

I've been pointing to the events of ST:First Contact as being the divergence that created ENT, DSC, SNW, and Picard for a few years now. It's about time people are catching on.

[@generalscheisskopf7435]

Ahh, I get it. I can use this theory every time I screw up at work. I'll just say "Someone went back in time and altered history. Not my fault." It could also explain why I'm unemployed.

[@dan6442]

Interesting idea. However, I'm sticking with the theory that "new trek" is a simple creation from a "non-trek person", who had no love or understanding of trek. New trek is lacking in storytelling. Perhaps it's because they have a budget that is too large for its own good. Old Trek had to rely on storytelling. New trek doesn't have the same restrictions on budget. Also, the audience is different. New trek audiences require more visuals to maintain interest. I won't speak on any issues of wokeness, as that is covered in "the audience is different", sentence. Obviously, I'm an old curmudgeon who grew up with TOS. I also served in the military for 20 years and two wars. From KZbin channels such as this one, I have found no reason to "pay" to watch new trek. I wish I had found at least one reason but not as yet. The times have obviously changed, as they should, but I don't find the new direction interesting enough to pay for. In the military, one person is in charge, and it is obvious who that is. It's the Captain. The captain gets advice from those around him, but it is the captain that is in charge. In any case, I always considered the "Enterprise" to be the star. This video, while interesting on its own, was seeking to make excuses for Abrams and other failures (Imo) for bad "new trek". Rant ended. "Live long and prosper".

[@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic]

If you consider a TNG holodeck simulation of the Enterprise NX era a reboot, that could make sense. Of course if the simulation/reboot was jacked by someone spilling their rapachino on the memory chips, that makes total sense.

[@davidm4566]

That's how I feel about the final episode. They got minor details like the bridge and the uniforms wrong, so I'm saying they also got the Trip death wrong, too. It's just like that episode of Voyager where they got so much wrong in the alien holodeck.

[@ThePopcast]

What a sloppy ending that was. I remember seeing Riker though and loving it as a huge TNG fanatic.

[@archmagefrey]

Love the way you have fleshed this out. It's been my own head canon that since Star Trek Generations was the only TNG movie to really "feel" like the show the time travel in FC changed into an alternate timeline for the next 2 movies. I would also add that Picard season 2 created ANOTHER altered timeline (Not including the Confederation which would be a 4th) which puts Discovery and SNW into third universe.

[@h1ghy1eld25]

There are two books in the "Enterprise Series" That deals directly with the romulan war and the race for the the warp 7 engine. Trip is not dead and undercover with the romulan warp 7 engine.

[@JustATourist]

We humans spend a lot of energie to give things a meaning, and I think Trekkies especially do so. But I don't believe there was a big masterplan about changing the Star Trek Universe and doing a reboot. The most easy explaination is: Bad writing. When TNG was done there have been manuals about the technology and lore of Star Trek. Fans had been able to buy those but originally those had been tool for the authors: "This is the lore, you can look it up anytime and someone will check your script later". The manual for DS9 had a much braoder lore to cover, much more topics, but each topic was explained in much less detail. As far as I know there has never been an official manual for Voyager. Yes, material to buy for fans later, but nothing for the author. Well, it didn't really matter anyway, since the Voyager was so far away, it was more or less in a different universe. After that the art of having canon reference material for authors was forgotten. Absolutely no wonder more and more inconsistencies where made. I don't believe that the makers of Star Trek at this time whould even have been able to do a consitent reboot if they wanted.

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

New Trek has done a bit of a soft reboot in order to incorporate Enterprise into what counts as "canon" in Star Trek, so this explains it as well as anything. It's a decent Watsonian explanation. The other options are the timey-wimey shananigans of the Temporal Cold War, or any of the numerous incursions caused by Voyager. The Doylist explanation is that Enterprise revealsed the Berman and Braga genuinely didn't know much about their own franchise, somehow, and they just kind of wrote by the seat of their pants in trying to make what they felt would be a good story, and now the guys behind new Trek are trying to incorporate the weirdness of Enterprise back into the franchise. Also - budgets are far, far larger than they were in the 60s and 80s so of course everything looks way cooler. Enterprise was, to put it mildly, a mess, and any attempts at incorporating it into the main franchise are going to involve a whole lot of twisting and turning. Kurtzman et al did their best. I'm really not sure why they bothered since no one actually watched Enterprise and on the rare occasions when canon actually matters they'd have been better off sticking with TNG, DS9, and TOS, but, hey, it's their franchise now and I'll watch it so long as the stuff is still good. So far, with few exceptions, it has been.

[@ThePopcast]

Great comment, thanks 👍

[@gabrielfranco1899]

Enterprise is good but short and yes it feels like a diferent timeline

[@shacklock01]

Whats wrong with enterprise, its technically one of the more interesting (doesent reach its potential though) shows in that it portrays humans as newcomers on the block not as the established superpower. Always found that fun. Was starting to get good as well by the time they canned it. S3 and 4 are good shyt

[@HITMANPegas]

I think the writers don't love the show as much as the fans. Plus they forget what they wrote and don't care about the past.

[@haitolawrence5986]

Born in 1966. Star Trek was amazing. You just had to be there! Have fun storming the castle. 🤣

[@criticPG]

This be-loving Star trek universe was totally complete and one universe in its own. Star Trek TOS, Next Generation DS9, Voyager one whole rich Universe full of joy and happiness but they f..ed it up with Discovery. Okay they Fu..ed it up before with the Kelvin Timeline and i mean not the visuals, it looks great, but they sacrificed the feeling. At the end is Star Trek a Feeling no matter what you are thinking about and this important feeling is lost in space. I mean there are moments in Star Trek Picard but overall they massed it up.

[@plugsocket9432]

I disagree because this theory has been floating around for at least 17 years now. There is no reboot and is a distraction by Nu-Trek fans to divert away from the horrible written Star Trek since 2017. I've been a Star Trek fan since the early 1990s and I'm done with it until Bad Robot/Secret Hideout is kicked out. Hopefully in 2027 when the current contract expires then Paramount can make real Star Trek again which is like from 1966 to 2005 Star Trek.

[@mimh8548]

I also hope..

[@davidhamilton6612]

Burnham accidentally started the Earth-Klingon war as she desecrated one of their burial ships, BUT, the Klingons fired the first shot instead of using diplomacy to rectify the transgression. That is why the Earth-Klingon war has no real instigator.

[@nunyabiz012]

The inconsistencies in the newest trek shows are due to lazy writing, bad acting, and incompetent directors trying so hard to put a check mark in certain boxes in order to push THE MESSAGE, rather than some kind of overlooked, elaborately planned piece of exposition. They just don’t understand Roddenberry’s vision or the wonderful world it created at all.

[@ka1mla1]

There is no question that the values that the father of Star Trek initially laid down are but a memory in new Trek. New Trek is no longer Trek. Just because you keep the name, doesn’t mean it’s still the same thing. It’s a completely different series regardless of what you call it.

[@Moondog2010A]

The Gate Keeping Troll has spoken! And is wrong again! :-)