SECRETS OF THE BLOOD RAVENS! THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE IMPERIUM

[@SheedRanko777]

DoW was what got me into 40k in the first place. Being a 6 year old kid and seeing that intro video of the Blood Ravens holding the line against the Orks on that hill, the dreadnaught, the officer putting up the flag… it was all just so absolutely brutal and magnificent, and as a 6 year old kid who had only seen the light heartedness of things like Star Wars and Star Trek, it was the coolest thing I had ever seen. Love this one!

[@TheArnold46]

Same here. DoW was my first taste of 40k.

[@darthbloodborn]

I started with the books then I found the game and I was like wait u mean I can play a game where I can command space marines oh hell yeah 😊

[@alexanderklimek9354]

I had found the 1st Ragnar book and the Soul Drinkers series right before - but the end of that same year DOW came out… and as a Starcraft and Warcaft battlenet kid, it was PERFECT. I want a complete remake of that game - in that form (just updated and expanded - aka hire the Modders from Firestorm and the others and call it a day)

[@Lazrael32]

@@alexanderklimek9354 I'm hoping someone is already working on it. it seems like they are ignoring easy money if they aren't.

[@themysteriousgentlemen1763]

I learned about dow from Russian badger

[@easty26]

I really miss the blood ravens. DOW was awesome

[@Butter_Warrior99]

They stole a long needed vacation.

[@GamaniacMike14]

As crap as dawn of war 3 was I find myself playing the story from time to time, I miss them bois

[@Warmaster2001]

​@@GamaniacMike14 yes story is good. And the concept of switching from faction to faction is refreshing. You can understand the perspectives of each side. Like when you reading Horus Heresy books. Like with Thousand Sons and Space Wolves.

[@omgtwlol]

I think that Blood Ravens originated from Fifth Fellowship of the Thousand Sons led by Sul Kontep. The reason why Rubric didn't affect them, from what i understand was that they fought alongside sisters of silence in the Siege of Cthonia. Their remnants were absorbed by Imperial Fists who had an honour debt to them, after they were saved from annihilation by the Sons. (this would also explain why they had so many Imperial Fists Artifacts in their armory)

[@MaticustheRed]

Hadn't heard this one, how do we explain the lack of the Flesh Change?

[@omgtwlol]

@@MaticustheRed as i said the sisters of silence when the rubric was cast. There are few theories. One that i like was that the reason was rubric's failure was the fact it was cast in the warp, in the presence of too many chaotic energies. In this theory it worked perfectly in the real space, and had side effects in the warp. Next one is my own theory. Every legion (by design) had some kind of affinity. Even prior to meeting their primarch, they were were alike their sires. I think, that Thousand Sons genome was perfectly fine, and the whole flesh change was just tzeenchian plot to turn them towards damnation and weed out the weak (non psychic and weak psykers), and once they turned, there was no more reason for keeping the facade. So why did it continue to happen on the planet of sorcerers? I think the spell used was very powerful, so it will take affect in real space. Same as with rubric, the presence of chaos energies just magnified whatever was done to them. It's not like tzeench cares about the well being of his slaves. Third possibility (canon) the whole reason for being sent to Cthonia was penance. They met Malcador on Terra, and returned to their pre Magnus heraldry and colours. There were about 6000 of them at this point. The theory goes, that the legion Magnus was promised by the Emperor were not the Grey Knights, but these improved and refined (purified?) Thousand Sons from the Fifth Fellowship. We will never know the exact reason, but the whole thing and Cthonia campaign is canon. I recommend reading a wiki page about it. It's fun.

[@emersonsullivan9768]

Boom!!! Nailed it!

[@MorteWulfe]

​@@MaticustheRedthe sisters are blanks and would prevent warp magic affecting an area.

[@MaticustheRed]

@MorteWulfe If magic can't effect the area around them how was the flesh change cured by the Rubric?

[@BerathorPainting]

I think it'd be awesome if they came back into the spotlight because Guilliman found out about their extensive libraries and sent his Historitors to meet with them in a Dawn of Fire novel.

[@calebdelano]

That would be epic!

[@BerathorPainting]

@calebdelano right?! Honestly the game has sucked for me for awhile. But the lore?! That shit has just been getting better and better! I need more Dawn of Fire novels, need some Votann novels, and I NEEEEEEDDDD a book when the Lion meets Guilliman. They had their issues before but I really think they're gonna bond some given all that has befallen their fathers empire. They have to work together to try and keep humanity from drowning in darkness.

[@Areckahn]

I always took the following, from A Thousand Sons, as a pretty clear cut link to Magnus: "The Ravens, I see them too. The lost sons and a Raven of blood. They cry out for salvation and knowledge, but it is denied!" (Kallista Eris)

[@sindrimyr5351]

Indeed

[@fumarc4501]

Blood Ravens will always be my FIRST space marine chapter. Before space wolves, before dark angels, and even before ultramarines. DAWN OF WAR!!!

[@greypilgrim228]

BLOOD RAVENS, LET US DESTROY THIS ALIEN FILTH!!

[@Warmaster2001]

Damn one game make this Thousand Sons successor chapter this iconic. Talk about a great work done there))

[@knightvisiongoggles7934]

"Hey everyone! Wolf Lord here! Today we're discussing the hidden knowledge of the Blood Ravens Chapter." Chapter Master Angelos:(stands up) WHO SNITCHING!!!

[@TheLastRaven]

Our time has come! Brothers grab anything valuable!

[@timothylyons5686]

One person knows who their lineage is.. They have primaris marines so Belesarius Cawl must know. He wanted traitor geneseed and having Blood Ravens he gets the best of both worlds.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

I remember hearing how they also got to know who their primarch is, only to immediately purge that info. Do you know where can I find that lore bit(when they get primaris stuff, that is)?

[@timothylyons5686]

@@ivanivanovic5586 it was in a Horus Heresy short story. One of the librarians of the Thousand Sons who survived the battle turned away from the fight and as he did so the light of a volcano turned his armour from scarlet to blood red and he saw a large raven feeding on the corpses. He took it as a sign.' Knowledge is power'.

[@2guys1cliplol]

They are either TS or a mixed seed I think

[@gavalon01]

Davian Thule from one of the expansions and DOW 2 found out who their descended from but destroyed the evidence in order to hide it in case others used it against the Ravens.

[@sindrimyr5351]

​@@timothylyons5686I think there is also a short Story where one of their captains ends up Meeting Ahriman, who noted that they shared a lot.

[@juhovuolinko6446]

Like many others, I was pulled into 40k by Dawn of War. In 2005 I started collecting with the first few minis. Now 18 years later I have a third of a chapter in models, now being repainted to the crimsin, white and black of the one chapter I grew up with. Lorewise I'd say the origins of the Chapter and their parent Primarch should never be outright stated (a mistake made with the Terminus decree) for a core part of their allure is the mystery. Rather I'd have a list of individuals who know that secret - Chapter Master Angelos, Venerable Brother Thule and Chief Librarian Jonah Orion being at the top of my list. As for why they might not be so open to the rest of the Imperium, remember that they have been placed at the edge of Excommunicatis Traitoris during the reign of the corrupt Chapter Master and Chief Librarian Azariah Kyras and the Aurelian Crusades.Kyras nearly orchestrated an entire system's Exterminatus in Khorne's name and was willing to damn the sectors inhabitants, as well as his brothers, forever. Combine this with how Inquisition tends to deal with factions that know a little more than the Inquisition would fancy, and it doesn't seem all that unreasonable that the BR would be hesitant to expose their full collections - assuming major pieces of it weren't lost during the Chapter civil war as seen in the Dawn of War 2 story (in its expansions, at least). Lamenters during the Badab war wewre more innocent, and even they got hit with a century-long penitent crusade, so a Chapter that only barely avoided turning to Chaos would be treated more harshly. Now, if Guilliman himself showed up and requested access I believe gabe would grant it - what exactly would happe, that remains unknown for now....

[@djchappell1726]

I have had a headcanon idea that the Blood Ravens have a name for themselves, "The Unwanted". The Unforgiven being Lion's still loyal sons, whether they followed Luther erroneously or not. They see Guilliman as too quick to air plans based on revealed secrets. If the Lion asked all but the innermost sanctum would be open to him or his chapter masters. When asked their bloodline they would mention being the last astartes made from Terra, as they were finished just AFTER the Siege on Terra started. The Grey Knights were finished just BEFORE the Siege began. The Unwanted title, and the time of their chapters true founding being enough for the truth sensing Lion to know whom their gene father is, and their lack of loyalty to him. Their loyalty is to the Tree, not the branches. The Emperor, not his sons.

[@toddolson4614]

A little twist to this... The Emporer told Magnus he had another legion for him...what if that other legion was released as the Blood Ravens. That would explain the higher librarian count (Thousand Sons geneseed) and the lack of the Flesh Change (fixed by the Emporer)

[@djchappell1726]

@@toddolson4614 I like to thing psyker potential is based on three factors; your ability to read the waves of the warp, the ability to resist the waves in the warp, and the ability to MAKE waves in the warp. The Thousand Sons were all but maxed out on the reading and making, but were left vulnerable to others more capable then themselves. The Blood Ravens were retooled. They have, from what I can tell, a weaker offensive potency in exchange for more resistance. Big E seems to have also toned down the urge to constantly spend time pondering the warp. The Blood Ravens seem to be quite happy letting someone else do that dangerous task, stealing the resulting research after the fact. As for geneseed make up... I'm thinking the Emperor cut Magnus's geneseed with a small bit of his own. Magnus is a perfect psyker, just foolishly confident and supremely curious. Those character traits being his folly alone. *Cough* Emperor's too *Hacking cough*

[@danielboatright8887]

Ive always thought it'd be neat if they had just started out of a mix of loyalisys who banded together to survive the herasy, with the twist that some of the founding members just happened to have been loyalists from traitor legions.

[@buffbatman2]

Can it really be argued that the blood ravens haven't been good for the 40k universe? They're great, I love it.

[@liamgaskin2598]

Favourite chapter of all time. Thr OG Dawn of war was what got me into Warhammer and I've not looked back since!

[@banhammer7243]

Having read a few of C.S. Goto's warhammer 40k books, it is my opinion is that he realy didn't know 40K at all and was a stunt writer brought in thanks to it being a computer game and not a 40K table top campaign.

[@NightLordsEnjoyer]

@_zapatoz_ No, Blood Ravens are canon because of Dawn of War I/II. They were recorded in Index Astartes and even appeared in Space Marine I. CS Goto's stuff is simply subpar and should be regarded as non-canon.

[@embalancer6146]

You read Goto? My condolences.

[@Reyma777]

The Blood Ravens don’t suffer from the Flesh Change that non-chaos Thousand Son are afflicted with. I think the Blood Ravens are a chimeric chapter, with their gene-seed derived from the Word Bearers and Thousand Sons.

[@Master-Of-Mankind]

Best theory I've seen is that the Rubric worked, but only worked as intended on the Thousand Sons geneseed outside of the Warp. While the Rubric Marines got turned into souls bound to dust filled power armor, the Blood Ravens were cured.

[@Reyma777]

@@Master-Of-Mankindthat would mean the Blood Ravens would have had to defect from Magnus the Red ? I find it unlikely the Imperium would forgive marines that actively served under a Daemon Prince. I have a theory that blending very stable gene seed, e.g. ultramarine, emperor’s children, word bearers, etc. with a less stable source could neutralize undesirable mutations.

[@Master-Of-Mankind]

@@Reyma777 "that would mean the Blood Ravens would have had to defect from Magnus the Red ?" No, it just means that their chapter was made from Thousand Sons geneseed. As stated in that theory, the Rubric of Ahriman was overcharged within the Warp because of the rampant chaotic energies which were already causing the Flesh Change mutations to go out of control, and so went too far in reversing the mutations. Meanwhile their geneseed outside of the Warp was simply fixed because it was not exposed to those rampant energies.

[@Ulfbhert9000]

theres also the oldman theory that the Blood Ravens are perfected 1000 sons and are the hold over of the replacement legion for magnus instead of the Gray knights

[@Reyma777]

@@Master-Of-MankindOh sorry, thanks for the clarification. I must of got my perception of canonical events mixed up.

[@beerasaurus]

On this episode of Hoarders

[@avengingangel]

If the Heresy tabletop books are correct and the Imperial Fists have added loyalist Thousand Sons to their ranks could the Blood Ravens be descended from them? And it might also provide an origin for the Soul Drinkers considering the revelation they don't have Fist geneseed

[@gwilym1991]

Come again? What's this about the Fists adding Thousand Sons to their ranks?

[@avengingangel]

Fifth Fellowship of the Thousand Sons served in the Siege of Cthonia under Imperial Fists. Survivors became Imperial Fists

[@toddolson4614]

​@avengingangel what's the title of the book

[@avengingangel]

​@@toddolson4614Campaigns of the Age of Darkness: The Siege of Cthonia

[@toddolson4614]

@@avengingangel thank you

[@jeremygrant1325]

Coolest chapter around. GW should be treating them like a 1st founding chapter when it comes to both fiction and tabletop. Core secret of the blood Ravens: the rubric worked as intended for the loyalist splinters not corrupted by tzeentch.

[@Warmaster2001]

Yup. So Ahriman have "honoured guest" status in Blood Ravens ships and can meet his successor bros without fear being shot?

[@sneedfest3399]

Blood Ravens are Word Bearers and nothing can change my mind

[@SheedRanko777]

Haven’t even started it yet and already LOVE this one Rho!!!!!

[@Unenvarjo]

Cue the memes in 3…2…1 And also lock the relinquary.

[@DamienDrake2940]

I like to believe that the Blood Ravens are the remaining members of the legion that followed one of the hidden Primarchs. My theory is that one of the hidden Primarchs was the true source of the Horus Heresy. Maybe even a Chaos god born in human form that corrupted Horus and the others. The other hidden Primarch was chosen by the Emperor to keep the true history of mankind safe not only from Chaos but also from those humans that would take advantage of the power vacuum. That's why the Blood Raves share traits from so many chapters. They took things from many different chapters to hide their origins.

[@timothyseger8720]

I think they learned enough to know how dangerous trying to share it can be. Just because it’s knowledge doesn’t mean it will be accepted or used properly. It’s likely more trying to protect the imperium than being selfish to me.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

While goto had some neat ideas (like reason why tartarus guardsmen get corrupted(lho sticks), gabriel's reputation with eldar as whole(and an interesting nickname "of hidden heart"), parts of second novels too(one of recruiting worlds being a necron tomb world they unwittingly wake), he, alongside matt ward(at least according to 1d4chan), was unfit to write war40k stuff. His obsession of putting multilasers(ig weapon) where they don't belong (as marine land raider and terminator armaments), his disregard for canon and lore in general among other things kinda confirmed that notion about him. Thankfully, dow3 novel by robbie mcniven (must find more of his work to fully determine) was far better than goto's iteration.

[@AJMoustgaard]

Fanatical.. knowledge is power, committed to paper.. seems in line with the Lorgar primarch theory. Sort makes sense as the word bears "lost" their librarium at some point, if memory serves.

[@Erebdai]

I love the blood ravens i wish their army rules would mirror the thousand sons a bit. IE a librarian leading every tactical squad. A librarius (3-5 librarian team), Librarian dreadnought (like BAs) and their big chapter master in his super mariobrother jumping terminator armor.

[@Warmaster2001]

Yeeee. Oh and they can have psychic buffs when playing with their predecessors (Thousand Sons). Like say a sorcerer buffing rubrics they can also buff Blood Ravens.

[@virko1990]

Knowledge is power, guard it well! my brothers!

[@chadh8826]

It would be Fucking Hilarious if the blood ravens have most of the relics that are needed to bring back Vulkan. The Salamanders would be grateful but unfathomably furious at them.

[@Warmaster2001]

Not furious but jealous. Because they spend a countless amount of time to get this artifacts and this sons of Magnus get that within a 4 years of search.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@Warmaster2001 Better yet, they found them on accident and didn't even know it.

[@Warmaster2001]

​@@S3Cs4uN8 yehehehes and funny thing is. They will not give them to Salamanders)).

[@richardcowling7381]

With that sort of love of bookkeeping, I'd bet their Primarch is Raboute Guillemane

[@WookieeOfLand]

Love your insights to this Chapter. My favorite Chapter.

[@ericdugdale8585]

Dialogue with Eliphas in Dow:DC all but confirms a Word Bearer origin, imo

[@khartog01]

My favorite chapter. And my favorite parmarch, if true.

[@dantecooke]

As someone who plays bloodravens on the table top I would love for GW to show the chapter some love especially in black library books

[@Warmaster2001]

Yeah and finally give us the fact that they are from Magnus genes but purified and without Flesh Change issue.

[@alexandercarter1228]

I had a strangely different idea, what if the blood ravens are alpha legion loyalists. They have extensive studies and knowledge on everyone. That would be extremely interesting and what if some librarians are in name only and are a trusted ‘friend’ to the record. Maybe Omegon found out he has a loyalist chapter and subverted the hierarchy or even leads it. Could be interesting

[@rajukoley9249]

No that wouldn't explain why they have so many psykers

[@tolemythewise]

hybrid geneseed?

[@rajukoley9249]

@@tolemythewise maybe

[@nitemaredarkness]

Even a new recruit who was a non psyker has a 15% to become one. Don't get me started about one of their company that have 50 psyker attached to it.

[@rajukoley9249]

@@nitemaredarkness they actually have much higher chance of being psykers than other space marines the chance of them having psykers is very close to the thousand sons

[@davidmiddleton7958]

Just a thought, when battle brothers of the Blood Ravens, how do they balance their need for knowledge with Deathwatch protocols?

[@JeffereyShoop-ru6zz]

Thank you boss. You explain my passion quite completely.

[@BJRaco]

This is an eye-opener. Having watched this video I finally understand the hate the Blood Ravens get. Warhammer 40k universe is basically your every American 80's high school and they're its nerds!

[@paulofevilbathrobes4627]

off the cuff reasons, they are thousand son loyalist so just are going to be typically cagey on stuff, but I think it also has to do with keeping their records out of inquisition censors. we all know how redaction happy they are, so I think that the habbit of never volenteering information has just stuck

[@Jaszunai]

Dawn of War was a lot of fun and my introduction to Warhammer 40k. I played the first game and all the expansions but haven't yet played the sequels.

[@kronnusalpha8480]

Hippity, Hoppity, this video is now my property. - Random Blood Ravens marine...

[@christopherbeavers8344]

Rho, you should do a week of dreadnoughts. If you can do a whole week that is. Maybe an episode for each notable dreadnought. Like Bjorn, Rylanor, etc.

[@HitmanGorilla131]

You seem to be missing one really crucial detail in that they worship the Emperor as a God as well. Also in the game Eliphas called the Blood Ravens "brothers", just purely for mocking? Or something more?

[@S3Cs4uN8]

It seems to be a fairly common thing for Heretic Astartes to still refer to Loyalist Astartes as 'Brothers' at least as a slight jab or as a fig leaf to try and influence them.

[@musafawundu6718]

The Dawn of War series is likely what got Warhammer 40000 the most popularity well beyond the table top and within the UK..

[@vladline1882]

Imagine a Custodes pokes them. Lol

[@Warmaster2001]

Custodes will lose his spear and shield. So it's too risky.

[@davidwalker891]

The only part of Thousand Sons link I have a problem with is the Flesh Change. How did they escape it?

[@rajukoley9249]

Maybe there geneseed was modified

[@leandrocastello309]

Is heavily implied the flesh _change_ was tzeecht's curse rather than a genetic flaw to facilitate their downfall to chaos.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

A few of reasons that they could have escaped it, just off the top of my head; 1: The Flesh Change was entirely a manipulation of Tzeentch and nothing actually intrinsic to Magnus' Gene-seed and post-Rubric he simply didn't need to keep up that particular ruse any more. 2: The Rubric actually worked but due to the majority of the remaining Thousand Sons being located on the Planet of Sorcerers in the Eye of Terror the spell was sent awry by the excess of warp energy in the area resulting in the lesser psykers among them on the PoS to be turned into dusty boys we all know and love. 3: The Outcome of the Rubric itself was a result of Tzeentch effectively 'sealing the deal' on the Thousand Sons being his legion. And hell it'd be entirely in character for Tzeentch to leave some Loyalist TS just because of how that could be manipulated down the line.

[@randolphbienmateo8174]

I've liked the blood Ravens since I've been playing the RTS Dawn of War

[@WenisTRON]

Love this chapter

[@michaelwildridge1528]

Oh god not this author if i recall it had back flipping terminators and eldar snuff

[@TK199999]

I also do not believe the Blood Ravens are a chimeric hybrid of Blood Angels or Raven Guard. Nor do I think they are the new legion (free of all the gene flaws) that the EoM promised Magnus should he rejoin the loyalists. No I suspect the Blood Ravens are technically Ultramarine, but that's because they are in fact surviving 2nd Legion gene-seed. The description of the 2nd Primarch sounds a lot like Gabriel Anglos, we know Gabriel and the Blood Ravens have strange connection to Alderi. Plus they are the only chapter that seems to have essentially battle pyskers as standard. To the point many non-pysker aspirants becomes pyskers after receiving their final implants (along with having no known gene-seed flaw). Not even the Thousand Son's displayed that trait, suggesting its belongs to one of the lost and forgotten. Since Battle Pyskers seems to be a role missing in make up of the old legions, even Thousand Son's seemed more academic (given that their Primarch was destined for the Golden Throne makes sense) than warriors. Since Blood Ravens tend use their 'liberated' knowledge to aid in battle than to just have and horde.

[@Grandrepublic501st]

A blood raven episode O_O BOLT EVERYTHING DOWN!!!!

[@mikeenglish7063]

Knowledge is power, guard it well

[@2guys1cliplol]

This is uploaded as I'm painting more of my blood ravens ❤

[@Darksmirk1]

I believe they know their primarch and it's Magnus, hence the secrecy. They fear that knowledge getting out. Lore wise it be the more compelling. That or their liniage us mixed with 2 primarchs. Samguinious & Corax; to make their name make sense.

[@Master-Of-Mankind]

Thousand Sons Corvidae Cult. Their symbol was a red raven head. They don't have to be Blood Angels or Raven Guard to have either Blood or Raven in their name.

[@maddude3158]

Have they not got a ship with some kind of beacon onboard? Of which the eldar had an understanding.

[@yopitalla]

I dont recommend people reading the Dawn of War novelizations. They are just inspired by the games, they are contradictory and where just published as promotional material. And some evenets may have or may not have happened in a different fashion, this was said by the devs back in the day.

[@d.staten1958]

The Tome Keepers Chapter would like a word.

[@Salmon_Rush_Die]

Guilliman pays BR's a visit. They steal his sh*t. He gets mad. Seethes impotently at their insolence. They flee. He can't find them.

[@LysimedVenteel]

I think it’s about time for another Prospero

[@przemysek2511]

I can only think of 2 reasons why one DONT share knowledge fear or greed. Fear of losing something important, or losing a advantage, or something that would discriminate them or even condemn the chapter ur guees is as good as my. And greed that one i think explains its self easily knowledge is power and we all know more power the better any fraction in 40k.

[@npcc41]

I firmly believed that if you want to ask the Blood Ravens to give up their store of knowledge, you need to give them something of equal in value. And the safety/ protection of the knowledge which they possess. I mean, why should I give up my knowledge when you can use it against me?

[@gideonevans9717]

I've always seen them as Sons of Sanguinius

[@RSBurgener]

Now I'm wondering if every traitor legion *secretly* has a loyal chapter operating in the Imperium today? And now these guys. It makes me wonder if we'll see them share this knowledge with either the loyal Alpha Legion, Cypher or The Dark Angels; maybe tell The Lion something Guilliman should not know?

[@Yaarmehearty]

Collecting secrets? No flesh change, sounds more like Alpha Legion. The AL's style of operation with infiltration etc was more something taught by Malcador than a gene trait, but even then do we know the BRs aren't infiltrating legions?

[@Warmaster2001]

No they aren't. Their tactics arent diversion, sabotage or something that Alphas will do. Nor they are doing surgeries too look like Alpharius which is crucial. Blood Ravens using strategical planning, pin pointed strikes, or mass assaults.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@Warmaster2001 And that particular style of warfare was something they adopted later on in the chapters existence as far as I can recall. Prior to the Kyras having his five minutes of fame before getting lost in the warp they were likely a fairly generic codex compliant chapter given what little we know of the Pre-Kyras Blood Ravens.

[@Get5ome]

More Blood Ravens please

[@Nealetony]

I want Gabriel Angelos to meet guilliman

[@SeanHenderson]

Wained???? Gabriel Angelo's is on my full back tattoo!

[@embalancer6146]

Heres a question should the Blood Ravens such a divergent chapter be the face of DoW or should a more codex compliant chapter have been in the game and the Blood Ravens be introduced in something like the Badad War?

[@LetsTakeWalk]

What I've learned from the Blood Ravens is BOLT..EVERYTHING..DOWN.

[@dsurfer]

Of the numerous factions that exist in the Empire of mankind I think you could list on your a hand those that would be for the proper use of that knowledge. The rest would want it destroyed or would be divided as to what action to take, either way would end in disaster due to infighting. Just look at the Inquisition.

[@PhynixDS]

It's why there are so many memes calling the Blood Ravens being called The Emperor's Magpie's 🤣

[@OEFarredondo]

If by special place in our heart you mean in the, " Bunch of shifty eyed, seedy, theiving lot", place... then yes. Yes we have them ona most wanted and watch list.

[@rebvamp13]

DOW was got me into the table top game. My wife still hates it because of that.

[@samanthalacroix2687]

In my head cannon I see the Blood Ravens as a Chimera founding.

[@marcialhd]

You mean Chimeric? If so then it could be a possibility, personally i see then either made from Janus purified Thousand Sons Geneseed, or from the remnants Sul Kontep’s loyalist Fifth Fellowship after they were adopted by the Imperial Fists (and in fact could probably have their Geneseed be spliced with the Imperial Fists’s in an attempt to stabilize it making them chimeric).

[@benives254]

See, now if they of magnus' gene seed, wouldn't the rubric affect them?

[@NoxMortem]

You can't trust the Blood Ravens, not even as far as you can spit.

[@AN-zi6tm]

Blood Ravens succesor chapter of Thousands sons undercover as loyayst chapter.

[@Warmaster2001]

Well i will remain traditionalist and for me they are Thousand Sons successor chapters. If Iron Warriors (Silver Skulls), Emperors Children (Death Eagles and Sons of thr Phoenix) and Night Lords (Carcharadons) have their loyalist successors, Thousand Sons also can have one.

[@muhammadzarif4378]

Is there any new lore for blood raven?

[@yadakakadu]

I thought they changed their motto to "none shall find us wanting". Or I'm misremembering it.

[@housetoocrowded7825]

If they are truly the Sons of Magnus then surely they would suffer the Flesh Change, suffer from the Rubicon or the Piro Domo. That’s a single point of failure in this argument. Are they possibly of 2nd or 11th Legion Geneseed?

[@CountDVB]

They could be a mix of Thousand Sons and Raven Guard?

[@marcialhd]

Except that they DO suffer from something like the Fleshchange, as sometimes their Psychic neophytes (those trained to become Librarians) fail on their trials and that causes them to be affected by something like the Fleshchange that rapidly mutates them, these failed neophytes are then taken into a part of the Omnis Arcanum (the Flagship and Fortress Monastery of the Blood Ravens) called “The Tower” in order to be kept out of sight and studied as to find a way to prevent this from affecting other neophytes.

[@Warmaster2001]

​@@marcialhd so the Ravens found a way to prevent flesh change all at once.

[@cynicaltigeruk4546]

The blood magpies will always be blood magpies.

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

It probably comes down to "You never asked!"

[@MorteWulfe]

Lock up the relics bois! The ravens are here!

[@darthbloodborn]

the blood ravens should be a hybrid chapter half thousand sons half something to stabilise the thousand son gene seed

[@wardrobeuntermensch223]

I wanna play soulstorm now.

[@TenakaKhanPrime]

I’ve been playing Soulstorm. Few things I’ve thought about. There’s a crashed Ultramarine Thunderhawk in the side of basilisk magnus plateau in the militariums base mission. Since there’s a Grey Knight detachment does that mean the Blood Ravens get mind wiped? Also in video game canon the blood ravens get wiped out because Borele’s strategy sucks. Since we find out later Kyras was intent on destroying everything; did he appoint Borele the commander because he knew he sucked? Or am I reading way too much into things?

[@HeIsAnAli]

The last is pretty likely: Kyras placed Boreale in a position way the Warp above his competence level to set him up for a fall.

[@Warmaster2001]

Hello from future. Do it)). Game is interesting although quite repetitive.

[@ThexVaultxTech]

C.S. Goto Wow I can't believe anyone has the courage to correctly say that chump's name.

[@squoblat]

They probably have Trazyn in their collection

[@andreibossahtamon3950]

the hell? i still play down of war and down of war 2 not the third one ... we don't talk about that one ...

[@Warmaster2001]

Hehe same. It's like DOW3 is giving allergic reaction like for Warhammer Fantasy player with End Times)

[@Dan____]

I still play dawn of war!

[@Koomoa]

All that info makes me think they are from the Word Bearers.

[@doorknockerpingu6932]

Bloody Magpies!!!!!!!!!

[@Lomhow]

Would love to see the Blood Ravens steal a shard of Magnus 😂😂😂😂

[@browniechann88blackie55]

Don't these guys have their own astronomicon

[@borjanmladenovic8882]

Today i watched blood ravens accept primaris video

[@mandobird]

ok sooooooo if the primarch of the blood ravens is un known , how did they get thier primaris marines? were they generic ultramarines taught thier ways ? or were they blanks where they had all thier knowledge fed into a premade marine ? i mean if they are traitor stock WOULD they use the magnus dna to creat them ? i mean the huge factor would be would they go the way of the 1k sons ? or are they created and then given the knowledge they need to make a history // these are things i would love to be knowing

[@yadakakadu]

In the short story where they get the primaris and the geneseed, they go "this is the most important thing in the history of the chapter" and immediately go researching it, though they won't report to Angelos about it until there is something concrete.

[@robertford1298]

Rubric though?

[@Mike_Viola]

I think they are sons of one of the Unknown Primarchs, not Magnus.

[@ErrantMir53231]

GW wont do anything with the Blood Ravens, yes I'd love for them to have their day in the sun, as a Blood Ravens fan I'd like nothing more than a secretive meeting between the primarch and the Blood Ravens, but the Blood Ravens aren't in the position to be so easily used because of some shared rights or whatever, so as far I know, it'll never happen. plus after DOW 2 item history shenanigans the Blood Ravens are more a meme than anything else, which is sad because the Blood Ravens lore is rather cool, some of which has been covered in this video.

[@Lazrael32]

CS Goto really failed the ravens. He basically just wrote whatever he wanted without any care for the actual lore of warhammer. if you love the books thats ok. there is always some loose canon between novels but his pushed common established facts to breaking. oh well. I do wish we'd get a new Dawn of War (that is more classic), or at least a new blood ravens novel. I even wish we got a joytoy representation. which would be easy considering they could easily alter a blood angel to be a raven.