Secrets of the PS1 Mouse | Punching Weight [SSFF]

[@HWJASURY]

There's a bit more to one of those reviews that criticized the control scheme in Alien Resurrection. It's already funny to look back on in hindsight knowing it has become the standard for FPS controls, but the reviewer also said people should just pass on Resurrection and wait for Aliens Colonial Marines (mind you it was originally scheduled for a 2001 release on PS2). Yeah that actually happened.

[@dutchcinephile1362]

True

[@aresx666]

THE PLAYSTATION CAN PRODUCE MIND-BOGGLING EFFECTS

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Well, an effect of all this is my mind being boggled.

[@KaitouKaiju]

They still have a certain charm that's been lost since the PS3

[@mischiefthedegenerateratto7464]

@@Brian-jv8iy slim and super slim are the worst versions in my opinion, my favourite has to be the one with 4 USB ports and a bunch of unnecessary ports including a freaking SD card slot

[@awii.neocities]

**insert spoopy skeleton**

[@awii.neocities]

@nunya baznus *Red Light of death Yeah, the thermal paste was really shitty and can overheat the system. Funny that Sony cheaped out, yet STILL made a console that was extremely expensive.

[@Aztyph]

Fun fact: A hack dropped fairly recently that actually *does* add mouse support to the Super Famicom version of _Clock Tower._ It also adds the exclusive rooms from the PS1 port, but the fact that it works with the mouse is a definite selling port all by itself.

[@That_Handle]

You saying the PS1 _Clock Tower_ has exclusive rooms? Might need to install that, then. 🤔

[@zackschilling4376]

I just sold my PS1 Clock Tower...now Im sad.

[@musicdude1540]

That is not how fun facts work.

[@mischiefthedegenerateratto7464]

@@musicdude1540 why not? It was fun to learn and it was a fact

[@awii.neocities]

@@musicdude1540It kinda is?

[@benedict_hince]

My dad worked on the Die hard trilogy. Interesting fact (which is probably widely known by now) the faces of the enemies are the faces of the game developers.

[@RippRoast83]

That's awesome!!!

[@ianlove3217]

See, that multi-mice necklace may be a funny joke for now but when the apocalypse comes Derek'll rule the streets with that getup

[@joeykeilholz925]

Election day is coming

[@JaredConnell]

When apocalypse comes? You mean it hasn't come yet?

[@ProfDragonite]

No one deserves the title of "Console Mouse King" more than Derek. Just sayin'.

[@Puremindgames]

That's Uncle Derek to you.

[@romein138]

imagine having almost 300k subs and not knowing how to play import games. this is what is wrong with modern game collectors. a true turd of a channel.

[@whoeusbsknsi]

the junk food kid 👅

[@mischiefthedegenerateratto7464]

@@romein138 yeah you are

[@Kane-BOT]

Facts

[@LJW1912]

"the PlayStation can produce mind-boggling effect" The effects: *S K E L E T O N*

[@deterlanglytone]

Every time that Tube Tv smashes against the ground... I cry a little inside. Thanks alot man. ;(

[@gregoryberrycone]

yeah CRT tvs are the best for retro gaming. ps2 games never look as good on modern hdtvs even with a framemeister

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

Nah, it wasn't a Sony Trinitron. That would have been an absolute tragedy.

[@SilverSpireZ]

Where did that video come from? I can’t find it anywhere. It’s hilarious!

[@Absoti]

Playstation Mouse with Dune 2000, totally my jam back in the day. It worked (for the most part) pretty seemless.

[@JohnnyProctor9]

Too bad the graphics look like garbage compared to the PC version...

[@endymallorn]

How does it play compared to Dune 2000 (or tbh Dune 2) on PC?

[@That_Handle]

IIRC, as with Command & Conquer Red Alert PS1 titles, the mouse controller worked best alongside a second controller's face buttons via the other controller jack in order to access functions / command units, etc. without having to click upon the on-screen menu. ... If anyone's curious, the first C&C release on PS1 does NOT support mouse controller.

[@That_Handle]

Did you ever do system-link play between a couple, earlier equipped PS1s in Dune 2000?

[@casedistorted]

I loved Dune 2000 on Pc, are you talking about a PsX port or played it with the mouse on pc too?

[@blahdelablah]

SSFF: "[Lemmings] is a PC game classic" Amiga fans: Snubbed once again.

[@BusinessZeus]

The Amiga is a personal computer.... right?

[@blahdelablah]

@@BusinessZeus Yes and no. PC has multiple meanings, but is most commonly used as a shorthand for "IBM-compatible PC". An Amiga is a "PC" in the same sense that an iPad is a PC.

[@Sameeer_Saker]

Please let the Amiga fans in peace at their retirement homes.

[@blahdelablah]

@@Sameeer_Saker I'm 36, the retirement homes won't let me in yet.

[@yairkatz6223]

@@blahdelablah I'm 18 they won't let me on either!

[@hteekay]

"it's so smooth, it made Virtual Cop look like a slide show" - showing Die Hard 2 with abysmal frame rate and Virtual Cop with smooth frame rate. C'mon Uncle Derek...

[@mikecontra8844]

So true. Also game play wise you gotta be smokin crack if you think Die Hard 2 is better.

[@Schimnesthai]

@@mikecontra8844 That's what they say about most good things... i don't need drugs to enjoy progrock! Yet haven't played Die Hard 2, it looks fun.

[@jju00]

What he meant was that Die Hard 2 has so many things happening all at once with a solid framerate, that Virtua Cop feels like a slideshow in comparison since VC is not as hectic as DH2.

[@That_Handle]

@@jju00 , vouching for that. Die Hard light-gunning gets frenetic with the enemies, destructible environment and avoiding civilians while finding bonus items and event triggers/cancellation to shoot. Solid👍

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I swear Derek was trying to go so long on that "Don't play Clock Tower Ghost Head" tangent while actively keeping himself from just saying "Nitro Rad suffered through the whole thing already, go watch him."

[@spookydonkey42]

Yo that resident evil survive playthrough is one of my favourite things you made back in the day. I still quote this on your videos ever since: DO WHAT IT DO PHONE HANG UP!

[@TheAwey21]

I'm from Brazil and i was one of the few curious kids that chosen the zeebo instead of a PS2 it was the "pre-launch edition" (like the NES in NY) and lacked like half of the accessories that were incluided with the later one (like a keyboard, a better gamepad and the boomerang thing) I actually don't have it anymore because it broke twice, and when i took it to get serviced, the Zeebo was discontinued mid-fix and they just gave me half of the money back. Ah, those were the days...

[@Fokkuzu]

That metallica lars ulrich napster reference. God bless your soul for that uncle derek. With the terrorists being metalica i can't help to think of their leader screaming "YEAH" at the end of every sentence.

[@Themetalwookie666]

I wish I had dubbing equipment to make that a reality.

[@saltyj0hns0n]

Thankyou for mentioning alien ressurection, It truly is a hidden gem. One of the best hidden gems ever

[@Jacktrack7]

8:55 Dude you have no idea how many years I've been looking for that game (Jumping Flash) I'm 30 and I played that game for hours at a cousin's house when I was like 8/9 but I never knew how it was called, crazy to think this is not the first time I hear Jumping Flash but I never saw the footage to realize it was that game, so thanks a lot for that!

[@santyxeorrr]

Emulate it now so you don't forget!

[@suorastas1]

It’s on the psone classic. You can get one for a buck and a half I think

[@ZekeGraal]

Already watched on Patreon, watching again for the almighty algorithm!

[@t6amygdala]

thanks it got in my recommended and i hadnt watched the channel in a while

[@whoeusbsknsi]

gaaaaaayeeeee

[@ericjamesraackf]

Good man

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

@Joey Maxon The irony of leaving a youtube comment like that...

[@AkumaKristian]

Made myself laugh during this video. I didn't notice the Nitro Rad shirt until Derek started ragging on Clock Tower 2 and it reminded me of his video on it. I wonder if that was intentional. Edit: Oh man, I remember Sorcerer's Maze from when I was a kid. Do not remember that box art though. That's amazing.

[@EpicOdysseus]

Oh mannnn the "Is It Really That Bad?" era with Maya. Those were some G O O D times.

[@TooBokoo]

The PS1 mouse is so amazing. When I got Die Hard Trilogy on release day, I could never get more than halfway through Die Hard 2 with a controller and I never had a light gun. I got a mouse a few years ago and beat it on my first try and it is such a satisfying experience with the mouse!

[@ahmedbenkhalfallah6502]

When he started talking about Clock Tower 2, anyone else remembered Nitro Rad and been thinking about him to the point where you noticed that Derek was wearing a nitrorad shirt at 20:18

[@Dragoonglue]

19:42 Funnily enough someone recently released a patch for the Super Famicom version of the first Clock Tower that adds mouse support and the extra content from the PlayStation version. The Windows port is still the best version, though (has higher resolution graphics).

[@Malakai222]

A fun fact I learned from researching the Super Famicon Clock Tower recently: Yes the SNES version doesn't have mouse support, but not because they didn't want to! When Hifumi Kono pitched his idea for the game (a game where you run away from the threat instead of fight it), his peers told him it wouldn't work. Because they figured it wouldn't work they gave him a very small budget and team, and so they had to scrap mouse support and also had to make the mansion significantly smaller. So it makes sense that mouse support would come in the later ports. Figured you might enjoy that tidbit! (though there is a large chance you already knew)

[@Nintendrone42]

I feel like there's a Three Blind Mice joke to be made about playing Time Crisis with the PlayStation Mouse, but I just can't see it.

[@autumnalgloom5360]

Can we talk about how amazingly smooth Elemental Gearbolt is? I swear, just like with F-Zero X, a great framerate absolutely trumps using the processing power for extra visuals.

[@ClassicDOOM]

X-Com on PS1 is pretty slow, and has some bad bugs (start with 2 empty memory cards, and alternate your saves between them), but it's still playable and fun. And the mouse is highly recommended for a *way* better user-interface experience.

[@diegog1853]

I'm sorry to say it, but I would really like a full clock tower 2 review for the playstation. Come on!! just one more time!

[@hudde814]

Derek doesn't really do reviews anymore but if you want a comprehensive review of that game you should check out Nitro Rad's video on it (which Derek is wearing of shirt of funnily enough)

[@HydraCatGaming]

I love this channel honestly there always teaching me something new about quirky little add-ons that we just forgot about growing up I love the fact that we get to peer into what these peripherals were really like. By the way my name is actually Derek and I approve of the hey Derek hey it's Derek I'm Derek. ssff ♡

[@xenotiic8356]

I'm not Derek but this comment is cute, so I clicked like.

[@jnb894]

"ENHANCE THE DESTRUCTION" I doubt that would have been possible on Die Hard 2! 😅 Man, so many hostages I shot with the explosive shells equiped shotgun! Jeez... Sorry!

[@ChaseMC215]

You monster

[@Richard-Tipper-Davies7220]

Dont know about back in the day but I just got a ps1 mouse and command and conquer Retaliation delivered yesterday and it's awesome wish I'd had it as a kid.

[@RichardPebis]

Just gotta say, this channel has consistently been making top tier quality content and I greatly appreciate this team and the effort here. Research is off the chain, and it shows. Over the last 10 years this remains one of my favorites.

[@Mireaze]

Hold on... There's a Saturn mouse!? How have I never heard of this????!!!!

[@ChaseMC215]

That's because it techincally didn't release in the states?

[@VideoGameTakeOut]

"An Atari Jaguar classic." Now there's something you don't hear often. (but he's right Tempest is a jam)

[@ArktikAlice]

Thing I wanted to mention and think you would love Derek: Dune 2000 on PS1 also uses the mouse in tandem with the controller and it's such a clunky and fun way to play. Thinking about the sad fact that Starcraft 64 doesn't have mouse support, makes me happy that this forgotten RTS DOES have support.

[@TheTinker19]

19:40 Hey Derek, someone actually recently made a rom hack of the Super Famicom version of Clock Tower called "Clock Tower Deluxe" that adds SNES mouse support. It also adds some of the bonus content from the PS1 version, fixes various bugs, and lets you run on the stairs.

[@xxdeftones86xx]

Literally one of the few channels i have notifications for cuz of the retro content. Such a breath of fresh air compared to the same old youtube “news” channels that chase the youtube algorithm

[@ml-fishing1341]

I got a PS3 in the last 2 years of its life and have been a Sony boy since. When I played Astro's playroom on the ps5, I was fascinated by all the old and bold tech I never new about. Amazing video too!

[@ddpfortini5039]

I am 0.01 seconds into this video and I'm already loving that wallpaper lol

[@pikamario99]

god I will never stop laughing at that Alien Resurrection review you clipped. the kicker is at the end of the article, which you didn't show, the reviewer says he'd rather wait for Colonial Marines to arrive "soon" because it'll be SO much better...

[@JamesBachiciChannel]

I just started watching your videos this past weekend and I'm so glad I stumbled over your channel! Today I come to find out you guys are situated in Lynwood, which is epic! I live in Bellevue. That's all. Oh, and you have a new subscriber (bell notifications and all!)

[@godspeedyoublacknerd]

I needed Uncle Derek's enthusiastic attitude today, thank you

[@Miakel]

Clock Tower with mouse, become a true point and click adventure game.

[@sneakyskunk1]

It is nice to see Derek including Elemental GearBolt in the video. That game was absolutely amazing, and a real challenge for light gunslingers. Working Designs(God I miss Working Designs) even had this cool contest when the game launched. I wonder who won those coveted GunCons?

[@expendableindigo9639]

The image at 8:24 is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Imagine a much darker timeline where that image actually released as a peripheral.

[@zayl07]

Holy shit. I've owned a mouse for my SNES, but I never knew about this. Awesome episode!

[@740032489ds]

Loved the jab at Lars. Made me happy, made me smile.

[@incognitod8444]

imo consoles having mouse support should still be a thing. Like, they throw cities skylines on PlayStation plus but who wants to play that without a mouse?

[@todesziege]

If they did then maybe the FPS genre wouldn't have been ruined by console shooters.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

Don't current gens support keyboard and mouse? Edit: I'm not sure every game supports it but xbone and ps4 do natively support usb keyboard and mouse.

[@TheFartsandCrapsShow]

Yes! I've been waiting for i don't know how long for someone to talk about Project Horned Owl.

[@badkluster]

4:07 the "left hand controller" + "right hand mouse" is ridiculously GOOD. You move with the left thumb, whereas in WASD you move using one-two fingers

[@victorlandim6117]

Quite a treat getting 2 videos so close to each other. Your videos are getting more and more interesting and with whackier jokes and editing which I'm loving. Great work as usual.

[@Bransfiiiield]

I did some digging for a video I made a while back and came up with Treasures of the Deep (1997) as the first game to use a recognisable twin-stick FPS control scheme **on one controller** while Alien Resurrection was the first game that **defaulted** to the twin-stick control scheme.

[@Haysey_Draws]

Die Hard Trilogy absolutely SLAPS! I remember being able to pick it up for £10 with my pocket money and getting 3 freacking fun games! And the cheats, HO THE CHEATS!

[@PowerfulMint]

"Hey I'm Derek-" WHAT THE FU- "-it's me, Derek." Oh thank god

[@TylerRuins]

I love Derek bringing up PS1 games I've never heard of before; the (usually) positive discussion of them always make me want to check them out!

[@TheVillainsProjects]

Welcome, to the TEST DESK. AKA MY DESK.

[@minimalchill]

Legit thought we were getting a new show. 😂

[@thediamonddust]

Cracked me up with that. He's a funny guy.

[@davidkelley3890]

TWO SSFF videos in the same week!

[@theresurgence2.081]

I first heard of the PS mouse when Game Informer used it late into their Super Replay of Cyberia.

[@jredacted]

I've been wanting to get light gun games for my ps2 for years now. I just have no room for a tube tv and have no money for the games and peripherals

[@XZenon]

So I am just minding my own business, watching an interesting video about console mice.. and then this guy just deadass mentions A-Train! Holy hell, I have absolutely never seen or heard anyone mention this game outside of my house!

[@Goati_]

Rescue Shot: Bubibo also supports the mouse (as said in the manual); that one is another Namco Guncon lightgun game but developed by Now Productions. It's very good! There are also 2 other ps1 mouse bundles that I know of: Tokimeki Memorial and Shanghai: The Great Wall. Thanks for the video

[@cptsonicbelmont]

Few things make me as happy as a new SSFF vid. Let's gooooo

[@gregoriocruz4530]

I don't know if anyone told you before, but Biohazard Gun survivor used the gun alone, if you used it. The buttons on the sides turn your character, and the trigger is how you walk in game. If I remember correctly, only when you aim at the screen, do you shoot.

[@heryarnrat]

Happy to see you and producer Grace back in action, Derek! Great video as always.

[@AltimaNEO]

That Dreamcast keyboard was essential for playing phantasy star online. Made chat so much quicker. Good I loved that game.

[@zenak781]

Ghoul panic was my game back in the day, I'm so glad it's getting some love. Even if only a short mention. Had no idea it never came out in us. Make me so sad

[@mizfeeq7369]

Oh damn! Gunfighter, I remember playing that as a kid, I wouldn't have recalled that easily until you showed it. So now I have another PS1 game to the list of games I've lost possession of over the years.

[@startedtech]

Whoa another SSFF vid already? Hell yeah

[@4partmedia]

It's your attitude and energy, bro.... THAT is what keeps me coming back to your channel, along with the dope content.... but you set it off right bro!

[@BreakinMIk]

What a throw back. I found you by your review of Clocktower and I still watch your horror reviews. Hope you bring some spooky skeles back during this October! Also while watching your footage, can't help but think the mouse would be perfect with a one handed controller. I used to have a black one for the PSX and while I was a child honestly would rather play some games on that one handed controller

[@Flared]

03:25 for a random appearance by F1 driver Jean Alesi

[@mateobonavento3939]

I did a double take when you showed Sorcerer's Maze gameplay and it turned out to be Prism Land Story. I played the japanese version many years ago via emulation and I really liked it. Hmm, learning about the mouse support might be the perfect excuse to play it again after so long.

[@ectpuo]

Finally some love for Sorcerer's Maze from a high-profile channel! It's my favorite breakout game, makes most others seem lazy by comparison. In case you didn't know, several of the games listed (Sorcerers Maze, Arkanoid and the Atari stuff) also support the neGcon. I think it's a side affect of the control inputs being similar, because apparently their analog functionality was designed for the Taito paddle controller.

[@LunaTulpa]

Kids today don't know the pain of boiling an egg for a new yolk for your mouse ball >:c

[@NoobixCube]

Luxury! I had to polish billiard balls until they were small enough to fit!

[@drrnvevo]

wait people actually do that?

[@KaitouKaiju]

@@drrnvevo Yeah dude! I used to keep a spare in my fingerbox. Such nostalgia!

[@plasmaoctopus1728]

I bet console mice would've caught on much better if they had optical mice at the time.

[@stevethepocket]

@@plasmaoctopus1728 Yeah, 'cuz then you could use them on the bare carpet no problem.

[@nathanvattes6438]

I have a place in my heart for videos about "useless video game peripherals" keep up the great work! Stay safe and have a great day!

[@kimbercustompro1911]

Man I loved me some Diehard trilogy when I was younger. All three games were really good, I'll never forget driving up on the sidewalk in Diehard with a vengeance, the absolute brutality of it.

[@fivespot83s24]

Wild Arms also supported the PlayStation mouse. Not for playing the game, but for using the built in paint tools to customize icons.

[@ThiagOldgoat]

By watching videos like this one I remember how gaming is diverse and sometimes over the top! I mean, if you only pay attention to current big releases it may appear to be a "samy", repetitive industry, which is totally not the case.

[@derangel9143]

Holy crap, someone talking about Project Horned Owl. I played that game a few times back in the day. I remember really enjoying it. Elemental Gearbolt as well. I didn’t own a Guncon, but I’d play every lightgun game I could with a controller. I’d completely forgotten both of those games, but as soon as you said the names memories of them came flooding back. I can’t remember if I knew about the PlayStation mouse at the time, though I probably never even would have thought about using one with lightgun games. Really awesome video. If I ever have the space to get back into classic game collecting I really need to get a hold of one of these and re-experience some of my favorite lightgun games.

[@ShinoSarna]

That ad for Might of Magic: Era of Chaos could be stressed more that there's, you know, a new Might and Magic game on mobile. To me (and I imagine a lot of retro game fans who watch SSFF) that sounds more exciting than Assassin's Creed crossover.

[@todesziege]

Haha, I thought the same.

[@rhaeven]

that "Playstation is capable of producing mind boggling effects" snippet from a magazine preview is one of my favourite images ever

[@Koshzor]

That quake 2 controls scheme that you called "bonkers" was the best one in the game! It was like almost like wasd + mouselook

[@oprelwork]

The PlayStation mouse was actually also bundled with Transport Tycoon! It's pretty rare, but up until today the only way you can look at your Transport Tycoon cities in 3D.

[@elbitxo5945]

10:46 good news eryone! presenting the Sinden Lightgun. After a successful crowdfunding project, the first backers are testing their guns and yes, it does work with both modern and CRT screens. And it has arcade quality with recoil.

[@Brentastrophe]

I did not know this existed. Now if it was a gameboy extra add on, I had every single one. I cannot overstate the importance of THE WORM LIGHT for gameboy, because you could still use it on your GBA if you just twisted the little plugin around. The thing was so flexible that even though GBA's little cable port was opposite the GBC you could just twist your worm light around until it would fit and work for your gba

[@swadlish1520]

The amount of editing and researching going in those videos is insane! Thumbs up my man!

[@BurtKocain]

Love you, Derek and Grace!

[@geminijinxies7258]

I have one of these and used it when playing Project Horned Owl, Lemmings 3D and Die Hard Trilogy. In that trilogy, Die Hard 3 even had support for a steering wheel which I think made it more fun to play and quite a bit easier too.

[@Bulju]

Ahhhh you tease us with that Vampire Night port on your desk. So many extras on that thing. It's such a stupid, dumb, glorious game and I wouldn't have it any other way. I love it.

[@georgieboysaxe3022]

I just want to start a campaign to get a PVM CRT for Derek because the fact that he has everything else on his desk, & not something as coosh as a Sony PVM 14L5 is the realest Greek tragedy that I can think of...

[@binook5312]

19:12 I have a tokimeki memorial box set that came with a mouse,the box plays a little song when you open it

[@vaugna1620]

I am loving the King's Field screenshot wallpaper Derek

[@Trialwolf]

I actually have a PS1 light gun called "The Heater" which is compatible with Die Hard Trilogy 1 & 2 and a few other light guns.

[@aretard7995]

does it boil?

[@steamyrobotlove]

I love all the dumb peripheral Punching Weights, Derek and Grace. Awesome job, as usual.

[@kienesel7]

Like the mvps that they are, Derek and Grace upload a video just as Im about to resign myself to eating my burger with nothing to watch.

[@ThymeCypher]

The analog comment - generally speaking analog mice do exist but in most cases mice work by triggering interrupts rapidly through a polling interval or a digital trigger, meaning they’re still digital albeit they usually trigger far more often than buttons which usually poll at 30-60 times a second, or on every frame render. If there is a polling interval, it’s usually on the mouse itself and this is often advertised as the DPI in some way.

[@Schimnesthai]

0:03 I absolutely agree with this statement, that's why i love my Wii U so much!

[@Gojiro7]

Toonami came out in 97, horned owl was in 96, so it wasn't WAAAY before Toonami made anime popular, but it did predate it by half a year.

[@Chaotix_]

The PlayStation Mouse can produce mind-boggling videos.

[@CarmenOfSpades]

The LE of Tokimeki comes with not just a mouse, but a special mouse with a design of Shiori on it! The sequel has a pink Pocketstation. Hmm... I feel I've seen at least one other game with the mouse bundled with it...