The Devil Cast Out before Creation? || I’d Like to Know

[@neillien72]

Pastor Bohr is an excellent teacher

[@tinatina4789]

that's our Adventist Pastor ;) amongst many wise and enlightened gems in 7th day Adventist churches. Walter Veith, Randy Skeete, Dough Batchelor...etc...our Lord warriors ;)

[@jocelynmendioro4668]

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[@Christensendesignstudio]

I’d add Ivor Myers and James Rafferty too!

[@Dr.Pepper001]

Dr. Veith is my favorite Adventist speaker.

[@fwr2024]

Really smart,they get thier info from elle the false mesenger,a women that in her first dream said she was shown the day and hour of jesus coming, really braindead adventist.

[@igorilyin9687]

Pastor Bohr, I marvel at your mine of biblical wisdom. Hats off.

[@christopherakotdeng2261]

These pastors are really students of the word. Praise the Lord for pastor Bohr

[@marisolamparo2866]

I'm so blessed when I started following SUM tv especially this one, I've learned a lot as God's servant😊..I'd like to know more, Pastors..from the Philippines

[@winterstorm6400]

PASTOR BOHR, YOU ARE A MAN FROM GOD SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE IN THE WORD OF GOD. I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH BY LISTENING AND FOLLOWING SECRETS UNSEALE THANK YOU ALL GLORY TO GOD ALMIGHTY !

[@Dr.Pepper001]

The Euphrates River is literally drying up now, especially in the Bagdad area. Look it up. It is at 19:27 when the title question is dealt with.

[@nathanegbert977]

Perhaps a better format for KZbin would be to simply post a question and its answer. This program has 5 1/2 minutes of filler before it gets to the first question. I understand this program is created for TV but viewers on KZbin are accustomed to content that matches a thumbnail and gets straight to the point. If you were to clip your programs into single Q&A segments, you may discover your content reaches a wider audience. Clips are more likely to be shared than full length presentations. In addition, analytics would provide useful insight as to which questions viewers find especially interesting. We must meet people where they are and on KZbin, that includes a short attention span with little tolerance for filler. Secrets Unsealed is a powerhouse ministry. Work the angles, get straight to the point and shine that light into the cracks. Love you guys.

[@SecretsUnsealedMinistry]

Hello there Nathan, Thank you so much for sharing your input and suggestion. We strive to get our content out there for free as much as possible. We are first and foremost a television ministry that is growing quite rapidly. As of now, we are improving our social media presence to better spread the Word of God to the multitude who are in the these platforms. We will do our best to provide the right content for their specific platform (KZbin, Facebook, Instagram, SUMtv App, etc...) as we move forward. Join us in support and prayer for our ministry as we expand our reach not just in television but also online through each respective social media platforms.

[@nathanegbert977]

@@SecretsUnsealedMinistry Very nice. I've noticed the algorithm on KZbin differentiates between "christian" and "adventist" content. While that may be convenient for adventists, it largely excludes adventist content from the larger christian community. I don't believe this is intentional but rather the result of AI tracking user patterns and recommending new videos based on those patterns. If you can bridge that gap, you can reach a whole new people group with Biblical teaching. Look at christian videos that are getting the most views. They often contain sensational titles that appeal to people's inherent desire to learn of some new insight. We need to capitalize on this desire because if there's one thing God has bestowed on His organized body, it's insight. We have the goods they claim to be selling! Find ways to bridge that gap because while our insight is not new, it is new to most people. I doubt comments make it into your board meetings but I hope this helps.

[@nathaliec7330]

Thank you for this study excellent ministry God bless your ministry and continue to bless you 🙏

[@sealedsoon]

We are doing a study in our small church group about preparation for the judgement of the living, the sealing, & the shaking (and associated items-3 AMs etc); I get so many questions about what it means to be ‘settled in the truth’ so I was hoping that pastor Bohr and team would tackle this question and provide a full answer with reference texts from the Bible and SOP. There are many references to ‘being’ founded, or settled; but the questions center around wanting a more descriptive response/references. Thank you

[@twagirumukizatito4672]

Much great to SUM TV, I would like to ask if there is any where that we can get some written documents, almost taught by our pastor Stephen Bohr, I was busy searching them but I got nothing, thank you for your support !!!

[@SecretsUnsealedMinistry]

Worry no longer! just visit secretsunsealed.org/study-notes-digital-download/

[@twagirumukizatito4672]

@@SecretsUnsealedMinistry I guessed it was no chargeable, when I saw 0.00$ but when I wanted to have it on my phone it could not, please can support me 🙏🙏🙏

[@twagirumukizatito4672]

@@SecretsUnsealedMinistry I guessed it was no chargeable, when I saw 0.00$ but when I wanted to have it on my phone it could not, please can support me 🙏🙏🙏

[@SecretsUnsealedMinistry]

If you want it on your phone, check out our new SUMtv app where you can find the presentation along with the study notes, side by side!

[@emmaroche5904]

Amen God bless!

[@igorilyin9687]

We're steadily, but surely reaching 60K subsribers.

[@rawhorley5977]

Response to your Posts.Yet there's only, 243 views ! How do we UP that Count ?

[@ThuchDup-t8s]

The God did they plant of salvation before Lucifer sin or after Lucifer sin ?

[@janiesherwood6403]

Thank you

[@alexseeto2251]

I am blessed

[@damarisrivera4098]

I have a question 🤔, is Maria Magdalena "the women who was brought before Christ caught in the act of sin"; Lazarus sister Maria whom Christ liberated her from 7 demons who and also poured the alabaster of perfume on Christ head, and feet? I'd like to know....

[@christopherbarnes2510]

Hey Pastors what about the point that the seven last plagues occurs in the most holy place(judgements stage)where as the seals churches etc represents the Holy place part of Christs ministry.

[@Ophanimswatchoverme]

Younger? A little bit? …. I can still see a bib on him lol …… God bless 😊🙏🏼🤍

[@martytitmus2307]

Where does the bible say any of that

[@NemesisEn4cer]

Those that like to play God are gonna find they are not gods, but devils. The fate of devils is lof

[@celsoesquivel2708]

Pastors, I would like to know where Satan was cast down to if the earth did not exist prior to creation?

[@Christensendesignstudio]

“The earth was without form and void”. Is was desolate

[@kingdomtruth7773]

Great discussion and answers from our brethren at Secrets Unsealed. I as well as others watching are being blessed in the Word. Concerning the topics of the Seals (Revelation chapter 6) and Satan being cast out - his three defeats (Revelation 12), see R E K L A M A T I O N Ministries online section Audio and Flip-book. God bless.

[@fredsimmons2793]

In scripture when Daniel and most Prophets were in the presence of the holy messages(angels) they lost all strength ,fell to their knees with face to the ground, and couldn't speak( were struck dumb) until the angel touched the individuals,and in some cases literally helped the person to their feet,and restored them(taking the holy fear away)!The whole time Daniel was receiving his vision and message from the angel, he remained on his knees in a submissive posture and did not even gaze at the angel! Ellen G White"s visions did not copy this model!

[@dr.johnwatson2503]

What you’re saying isn’t true. Abraham ate with two angels and the Lord and none of these things happened to him. Study your Bible searching for truth not just instances that support your beliefs.

[@moshodi100]

Furthermore Jacob wrestled with an Angel who was Christ. Joshua walked upto an angel with a flaming fiery sword in Joshua 5:13 who was also Christ.

[@birmbonn603]

It is very very important to abandon the story that the fall of Satan occurred before the creation week as this position is very unbiblical. In reality, the fall of Satan occurred after the creation week. 4004 BC: The heavens and the earth were created in 4004 BC. All the angels were created on day 2 of creation. Adam and Eve were created on day 6 of creation. The date of the origin of sin: sometime after the creation week and up to 30 years after creation. Sin originated in the mind of one angel. When God created this angel, this angel had no sin. God gave this angel the highest rank among the created angels, and this angel was one of the leading singers of the choir of angels in heaven. But after sometime, this angel who was a created being, started to secretly desire to be like God. This angel’s name was Heylel (Lucifer). After Heylel (Lucifer) sinned he became known as Satan/the devil. And he was removed from his position as a covering cherub. Adam and Eve were tempted when they were 30 years old (around 3974 BC). They lived in the Garden of Eden for 30 years. Hence sin entered into the human family (and into this world) in around 3974 BC. They were supposed to be on probation for 40 years, but they sinned when they were 30 years. After the Death and the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan and his angels were finally cast out from heaven never to return (Rev 12:7-12). Satan and his angels will finally be burned in the lake of fire (Rev 20:10). After the temptation of Adam and Eve and before the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan could visit heaven on some occasions (however, he was no longer a covering cherub). But after the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan was cast out from heaven never to return. Another unbiblical story that needs to be abandoned is that there are other worlds with creatures, and these creatures are not angels, but they are like human beings. Another issue, baptising people by backward leaning immersion while their head is facing upward and their back is being held by the baptiser. They are supposed to be immersed while standing, and leaning forward, and their head/face looking downward. The rest of the other stories are very very correct and very very biblical (like the sabbath being the seventh day (from sunset Friday until sunset Saturday), the mark of the beast being Sunday etc. Also note that Jesus Christ was born during the feast of tabernacles (and not on 25th of December).

[@christrighteousnessalone7512]

*Was Lucifer's fall before or after Creation week?* In Patriarchs and Prophets Pg 52 we are told: Our first parents were not left without a warning of the danger that threatened them. Heavenly messengers opened to them the *history* of Satan's fall and his plots for their destruction, unfolding more fully the nature of the divine government, which the prince of evil was trying to overthrow. It was by disobedience to the just commands of God that Satan and his host had fallen. How important, then, that Adam and Eve should honor that law by which alone it was possible for order and equity to be maintained. The key word here is the word 'history' Adam and Eve were told of the past of things that had happened, this would tend to believe that the fall of Lucifer was some time in the past! So if it is not after the creation week then could it of been before the Creation week? In Revelation 12:9 we are told: Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: *he was cast out into the earth* , and his angels were cast out with him. The key word here is ' *earth* ' he was cast out into the earth and not anywhere else! Also in Isaiah 14:12 it says: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! *how art thou cut down to the ground* , which didst weaken the nations! Once again the word ' *ground* ' here is used , implying the earth again! So I believe it was NOT before the Creation week! So now let's see if he fell during the creation week ... In the book Story of Redemption Pg 19 we are told: Then there was war in heaven. The Son of God, the Prince of heaven, and His loyal angels engaged in conflict with the archrebel and those who united with him. The Son of God and true, loyal angels prevailed; and Satan and his sympathizers were expelled from heaven. All the heavenly host acknowledged and adored the God of justice. Not a taint of rebellion was left in heaven. All was again peaceful and harmonious as before. Angels in heaven mourned the fate of those who had been their companions in happiness and bliss. Their loss was felt in heaven. The Father consulted His Son in regard to at once carrying out their purpose to make man to inhabit the earth. Now we see after the rebellion and war of Lucifer, Lucifer was expelled from heaven. The Father then said 'At once' to make man! Why at once to inhabit the earth? ... is this the same earth that God created that we live on today? ... Yes, for Adam was to be made to inhabit it before Lucifer took control of the earth at the beginning! So given the information above Lucifer was expelled from Heaven during the creation week!

[@birmbonn603]

It is very very important to abandon the story that the fall of Satan occurred before the creation week as this position is very unbiblical. In reality, the fall of Satan occurred after the creation week. 4004 BC: The heavens and the earth were created in 4004 BC. All the angels were created on day 2 of creation. Adam and Eve were created on day 6 of creation. The date of the origin of sin: sometime after the creation week and up to 30 years after creation. Sin originated in the mind of one angel. When God created this angel, this angel had no sin. God gave this angel the highest rank among the created angels, and this angel was one of the leading singers of the choir of angels in heaven. But after sometime, this angel who was a created being, started to secretly desire to be like God. This angel’s name was Heylel (Lucifer). After Heylel (Lucifer) sinned he became known as Satan/the devil. And he was removed from his position as a covering cherub. Adam and Eve were tempted when they were 30 years old (around 3974 BC). They lived in the Garden of Eden for 30 years. Hence sin entered into the human family (and into this world) in around 3974 BC. They were supposed to be on probation for 40 years, but they sinned when they were 30 years. After the Death and the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan and his angels were finally cast out from heaven never to return (Rev 12:7-12). Satan and his angels will finally be burned in the lake of fire (Rev 20:10). After the temptation of Adam and Eve and before the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan could visit heaven on some occasions (however, he was no longer a covering cherub). But after the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Satan was cast out from heaven never to return. Another unbiblical story that needs to be abandoned is that there are other worlds with creatures, and these creatures are not angels, but they are like human beings. Another issue, baptising people by backward leaning immersion while their head is facing upward and their back is being held by the baptiser. They are supposed to be immersed while standing, and leaning forward, and their head/face looking downward. The rest of the other stories are very very correct and very very biblical (like the sabbath being the seventh day (from sunset Friday until sunset Saturday), the mark of the beast being Sunday etc. Also note that Jesus Christ was born during the feast of tabernacles (and not on 25th of December).

[@christrighteousnessalone7512]

@@birmbonn603 How do you know the angels were created on day 2 and also Adam was 30 years in Eden? Why do you say there are not other worlds?

[@johnschunk3412]

I don't believe Ellen White should be regarded as scripture. Revelation even warns about this.

[@alexseeto2251]

She is not regarded as scripture but as a lesser light

[@johnschmidt4616]

Sorry, but you guys are wrong. And many know of your false prophet and her lies. He was cast out by the hand of God (Jesus) when he ascended to heaven Satan was cast out and knew his time was short.

[@martytitmus2307]

You guys are the deceivers