22-1 would have to refer to a back door flush draw where you need both the Turn and River to come in your favor. It's basically impossible to get explicit pot odds to justify a flop call all in with just a BDFD. Rather, this 4% extra equity is used to swing marginal situations positive.
@TaCodelboyravage11 жыл бұрын
1, you could bet the turn and win it down without showdown imo 2, you could float with draw and reraise turn semi-bluffing and you have fold equity 3, 3bet preflop getting him to fold weak holdings ANSWER ALL HANDS ARE PLAYER DEPENDANT AND POSITION DEPENDANT with no reads on opponent as blinds at 10/20 its probably optimal to play passive and evaluate his hand range with his bet sizing
@chrisnewtownnsw12 жыл бұрын
Sorry in my first post I meant to say chasing a backdoor flush draw not flush draw
@chrisnewtownnsw12 жыл бұрын
Brian I've got a question. Are the mechanics behind chasing a flush draw the same as chasing a normal flush? Example implied odds aside if you are given 4-1 on the turn you may call to hopefully hit a flush card and from that point it's just business as usual for the last flush card calling another 4-1 bet? Is that how it plays out?
@JediArroN11 жыл бұрын
Have you stopped making videos? Good channel you have going here.
@shaner21710 жыл бұрын
sir if you dont mind me asking, how many titles have you won so far in poker tournaments? or how much money have you won?
@anneloughlin248010 жыл бұрын
butd then when we miss the river after checking back the turn, how can we win the pot, doesnt the missed draw look transparent??
@pokerphdio12 жыл бұрын
All valid. The take away from the video then for you would be multi street planning and freezing your opponent. You could raise 3x on flop, break even as compared to a turn call, but have the added benefit of stealing the lead in the hand. You lose some standard lines as you said, but it is an excellent tool to push your opponent on his heels.
@chrisnewtownnsw12 жыл бұрын
@greenbeanvideos Ok so calling 4-1 on the turn hoping to catch a flush card that gives you a flush draw for the river is in fact a negative ev play. I dont really understand how that can be but it is what it is
@junkyardjourney74695 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a prepaid turn card to me.Puts me in the mind of a secured credit card.
@chrisnewtownnsw12 жыл бұрын
Cos when people say it's 22-1 or whatever I'm assuming they mean turn and river but what I mean is step by step, turn calculation and then river calculation and not both combined.
@jamesgrant830010 жыл бұрын
Its a good move with a good success rate ..the bonus is sometimes villian folds on your raise or ....if he just checks the river he may fold to a value bluff if he missed
@Lukasguitar112 жыл бұрын
It feals like you will loose implied odds value when you hit your flush, since the villian is going to be very scared of the card that completes a flush. A flush draw is a very big chunk of many peoples minraising-range on the flop and even bad players will often know this. Hero is not getting maximum value every time he hits a flush on the turn. Every time he hits your flush on the turn you loose some value, but gain if he hits it on the river by raising on the flop. Depends on your opponent
@muckleroe112 жыл бұрын
This is only if you make a 2xbet raise on the flop, alot of people would make a 3xbet raise on the flop. Also there is no guarantee your opponent will bet the turn if you just called his flop bet or not bet the turn if you raised his flop bet.
@MrTehThrill9 жыл бұрын
I really love your videos man, is there any possibility that i can purchase the 64premium videos with ideal, because I dont have a creditcard or paypall its not what we use in holland
@chriswilson19688 жыл бұрын
This is all basic information you can find for free.
@akss.m.25598 жыл бұрын
+Chris Wilson where?
@arnaldo71711 жыл бұрын
What if villians bluffing with 78 diamonds and you fold it out
@jipmip233211 жыл бұрын
There's 2 of the same suit, you raise the flop and a blank comes and you check back...isnt that super obvious you're on a flush draw?
@sinanyazdia12 жыл бұрын
min raise the flop might trigger a 3 bet on the flop, then what? in addition min raise the flop and checking back the turn might turn your hand face up and you will not be able to bluff/merge the river with a bet if you miss. when he bets the river you are most likely beat and you can not bluff raise the river.
@1bobo9210 жыл бұрын
No point in checking turn. If he calls you he have an A and is scared of his power, so if you bet turn you have lots of fold equity. You represent AJ, A5 or a set or even AK. If you check is obvious you stand in a drawing hand. So if you miss the turn and river you can never win the pot.
@SuperKmach12 жыл бұрын
Could even bet the turn and put even more pressure on him, unless he somehow hits the turn.
@tollerest7 жыл бұрын
Yeah this does work i had about 10 positions earlier where i had a flush or straight draws, and it worked 90% of the time, amazing turn checked to me every time where i checked. unfortunately none of my draws came.
@adrody2311 жыл бұрын
Set of any kind villain is not checking on the turn, more than likely shoving on the flop after your min raise on the flop
@SuperDonster12 жыл бұрын
yeah until you get 3bet on the flop by his AX and now have to decide if you want to fold your pair of J's on the turn when you miss your flush lol. You could also look at it as though you're willing to pay the extra 100chips to ensure you make it to the river without getting 3bet. There are so many factors
@sanjeevmohanty310812 жыл бұрын
Well, if you are really bothered about the 3-bet, you should assess your opponent. If he is a passive player, he won't do it. Moreover, 3-betting in cash games is risky, without a set or two-pair, so assume, he'll flat call your raise or fold (if he's missed!)
@ccnt8911 жыл бұрын
Poker is subjective Am not saying ur wrong U forgot to mention the players image If he's crazy n u raise he will re raise essentially costing u much more This should be applied with the players image in mind And again that is subjective cause the game is about deception after all and a tight opponent can lul u into a false sense of confidence
@1bobo9210 жыл бұрын
If he's crazy he's not likely to have an A and you lose 2 or 3 streets off value, because if you raise the flop he will stop being agressive and pass his hand away
@gouthammeruva10 жыл бұрын
it backfires if the opponent does not check the turn :-)
@TheReiska8311 жыл бұрын
True. Don´t realy see the point of this vid. imo calling that 100 would tricker same reaction in most players(thows who slow down to a grawl if button clicks it back to them), opening pot to possible 3bet would make it harder to see river cheap in general
@jorrevennincx8 жыл бұрын
well, you get a free river card ,but not all the time. You didn't mention that your opponent can 4bet the flop and you'll be in a difficult position because you have great equity with your pair+flushdraw and now you put in even more chips before the river + your flop raise doesn't really get called by worse hands , and how are you gonna balance this with total bluffs and valuehands? i mean if u only do this move with flushdraws your opponents can exploit you by 4bet shoving like anything when they pick up on this. You also take away the bluffs out of your opponents range by raising him on the flop , he might think he's got a range advantage on A high boards since he's got all the strong aces and you not because they are in your 3bet range.. Not a fan of this move
@FelipeV34448 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is outdated
@JohnSmith-cy8hq8 жыл бұрын
you said 4bet but meant 3bet
@fndTenorio9 жыл бұрын
Villain raised pre-flop, i think you're too commited for 3bet here, having only draw and pair J. He could have QQ+ and 4bet...then what?
@stuwin58474 жыл бұрын
Doubtful that he 4bets with potential of Hero having connected with the Ace
@fifamobilewithmaan32537 жыл бұрын
Bull shit A good opponent will read you like a book coz after this move you check the turn and he knows he’s good if the river blanks and even if you’ll make your flush he will never pay you
@hammernik11 жыл бұрын
it is not actually a free card because you pay for it by raising the flop- it may be cheaper doing this than calling oppo bets at the flop and turn but it is not completley free