SEGA GENESIS vs. SUPER NINTENDO = DFF #38

[@Skippy19812]

I lost a leg in the 16 bit console wars. Diabetes is a killer.

[@tonystanley8218]

i guess it's kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released movies online ?

[@evansergio8000]

@Tony Stanley flixportal :)

[@tonystanley8218]

@Evan Sergio thanks, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) Appreciate it !

[@evansergio8000]

@Tony Stanley happy to help =)

[@AICJDR]

This was the best Deep Fat Fried episode so far. Absolutely loved it. It reminded me of old times arguing with my friends about which system was the best.

[@kevincrowe7832]

16 bits = 4 nibbles = 2 bytes

[@Sameji]

Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, Chrono Trigger, Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2, Yoshi's Island. I think the winner is clear.

[@kosharskysinternalorganfee9363]

Revenge of Shinobi, Toe Jam and Earl, Vector Man, Ghouls and Ghosts, Golden Axe1,2, Streets of Rage1,2,3, Kid Chameleon, Altered Beast, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ninja Turtles Hyperstone Heist, Castlevania Bloodlines, Sunset Riders, Contra: Hard Corps, Midnight Resistance, Mercs, Two Crude Dudes, Truxton, Musha, Castle of Ilusion staring Mickey Mouse, Mortal Kombat, Gunstar Heroes, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Robocop vs The Terminator, Aladdin, Earthworm Jim, Comix Zone, Alien Storm, Shining Force, Phantasy Star 2,3,4. Winner is clear: Sega Genesis. Woo!

[@deathray252]

Two words. BLAST. PROCESSING!!!!

[@antonydrossos5719]

You had me at "Secret of Mana".

[@antonydrossos5719]

@@deathray252 Some one had to bring that up!

[@LordHypnos4]

I wish they mentioned Toriyama's art and character design when talking about Chrono Trigger

[@afelias]

1) The bits thing is mostly about addressing. 8 bits is 256 addresses, 16 bits is 256x256 addresses. The NES, since it could only tell apart 256 at a time, had to draw graphics in tiles, a ~240x256 tile grid that itself had to hold a series of pixels with a palette that could cap at 256 different values (The NES only had like 50 colors thogh). 16 bits allows for values up to about 65,000, which means you could index more colors, subdivide the screen better (or even direct-map pixel by pixel), and so on. More bits means less likelihood that you'd have to resort to tricks like the tiling or the bizarre palette manipulation that the NES did, which saves effort for the machine. The NES is well-known not to be able to draw everything on the screen at all times, after all. 8 bits is 256, 16 bits is ~65,000, 32 bits is >4 billion, and 64 bits is >16 quintillion values. At some point it just stops being necessary is why the graphics of 64-bit consoles didn't really improve over 32-bit, and for anything non-3D 16-bit was honestly enough. 16-bit color is usually enough, and you can get away with even 10, 12 bits for sound. That's why the 16-bit era in part is so fondly remembered, it's because that was the time that performance did make better games. Once 32-bit started and the extra power went into gimmicks (if you count 3D as a gimmick) then people started realizing that bits weren't everything. 2) SNES vs. Genesis on processing is actually a famous computer engineering example on how megahertz isn't everything. The Genesis clocks about twice as fast, but the instruction set on the SNES was more complex, so in the same clock cycle SNES could be doing something that took Genesis two, three, or more cycles. When you actually normalize those values for actual instructions executed per second (AKA how much work the thing was actually doing) SNES actually beats Genesis slightly on the average. Genesis is that guy who seems to work faster because he turns up twice as many times in your office, that's all. 3) SNES audio is almost legendary, 8 channels sure but what it had was a 16-bit DAC (Genesis uses a 9-bit DAC with modulation tricks) which means that the sound it was capable of was much clearer and smoother (same with colors, more bits means that the output is more precise and closer to what was intended). The SNES outputs this sound at 32 kHz, which means anything at 16 kHz or less comes out just as intended. This encompasses almost all of the audible spectrum which caps at roughly 20 kHz. To compare this 32 kHz sound, CD quality, which is considered to be a yardstick for "clear sound" is at 44 kHz, allowing people to hear up to 22 kHz. I may not have grown up with the SNES but just look for old SNES soundtracks and you will hear the difference. Some SNES soundtracks beat a lot of modern video game music, just listen to the original Final Fantasy games on the SNES, especially FFVI. I mean, the SNES came out after the Genesis. they had time to really pick their hardware and make sure they could do the 16-bit console right. The Genesis suffers from having to be the first popular 16-bit console (there were others like Turbografx16 but who cares) and it held out for as long as it could, because every month the SNES wasn't out was a plus point for SEGA. But once the SNES came out, the lead was over.

[@AximVidya]

Great writeup of their incompetence, just a minor note, as far as I'm aware we aren't using the full 32 bits for color even today, just 24 bits, the last 8 bits are used for alpha (transparency information). And more than that is really only used in some professional graphics applications and in HDR photography.

[@afelias]

Yeah, similar to moving to 64-bit PCs didn't really improve most programs because 32-bit values were fine. It was still important to move to 64-bit so we could address more memory (4 GB vs 18 million TB) without memory tricks. An improvement in the "bits" is usually for one reason or another but won't improve the whole thing. What I was talking about 16-bit being enough for 2D I was talking more about being able to map pixels with 16-bit values rather than assigning them colors in 16 or 32 bit. And yeah, 32-bit color. We won't need more bits because we can represent just about anything discernible with it; more bits will just produce "the same colors" to our eyes. I don't even mind DFF not knowing how to interpret console specs or understand the technical aspect of The Bit Wars, if anything it's important to remember that The Bit Wars was essentially a marketing trick and most people didn't know at all what a bit was. So it was wholly appropriate. I just wanted to talk about it partly to add to what they've said, and also because I wanted to defend the SNES v:

[@segaunited3855]

You forgot one fact: The Genesis Motorola 68000 had a 32-bit internal Data Bus. SNES only used 16-bit Internally.

[@VonTaylan]

Amen!

[@goldiefaun]

you guys really should have galen on to talk about why he thinks schindler's list is a terrible movie lmao

[@cometpty]

MissPennyGoodman and how the hell Alien Covenant is the most Nietzchean film.

[@alexandert696]

Best sci fi movie ever.. idk why people dont like it...

[@moshow93]

It took itself way to seriously considering the fact that I was entirely based in fiction.

[@matthewmcewen9274]

+Berg Bergberg MY FUCKING SIDES

[@moshow93]

Vatsala काली Jhaveri Yes. Let's defend a lie with violence. Your so moral.

[@DoomKid]

This was a great episode, really brought me back to the old days of arguing with friends over which was better. A couple classics that weren't mentioned were Zombies ate my Neighbors and Mario RPG, they were fantastic. MOAR!

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

DoomKid So really you're a DoomAdult?

[@DoomKid]

Yes indeed, though I was a kid back when I came up with this absurd name

[@oo6505]

moar vidjagames!

[@Heinrick192]

That is the greatest intro I've ever seen,. For anything.

[@thomaslevy7249]

Heinrick192 not as good as Bob Ross.

[@CrashTheRenegade]

Both are special to me from my childhood, but I have to choose Super Nintendo.

[@nikolademitri731]

ɥsɐɹƆ Word, dude. Ultimately, for me, it comes down to Super Mario World, those first two DK Country games, and Kirby Allstars... there were games I loved on Genesis, but those games were my favs, and continue to be up into my adulthood. In my early-mid 20s, I used to drive around listening to the DK Country 2 soundtrack in my car, which is still my favorite video game soundtrack, by far.. ahh, the memories.. I just realized how empty my life is without a SNES.. ✌🏼

[@nikolademitri731]

mayrana2 Pretty much. I think of other games too, but they weren’t really exclusive to Sega, despite the fact that I associate them with that system.

[@nikolademitri731]

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin As a rivalry, I definitely think it was a bigger debate as to which was better, and it was a hell of an era. That’s probably my favorite game system rivalry tbh, plus that was the “peak” of my childhood years, as I wasn’t old enough to get into games till the later years of SNES v Genesis. SNES will always be my favorite system, with my favorite games, that generates the most nostalgia, but I agree that PS1 v N64 was the best video game rivalry... ✌🏼

[@nikolademitri731]

Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin Ah, I gotcha. The final game rivalry I was actually immersed in was your first (GameCube, X-Box, PS2), and what a time that was! I got a PS2 the day it came out in America, and for a brief period of time, I was the coolest kid in my class. Nobody believed me when I announced I had one, bc they were instantly all sold out. My grandma, bless her heart, waited outside K-Mart from like 4am, or something insane like that, and spent like a quarter of her social security check for that month. Eventually, we got a GameCube and Xbox, but PS2 was my shit. Idk if it was the best of the systems.. it had some really irritating glitches, but being able to play PS1 games on it too, damn that was awesome. Anyway, I’ll stop reminiscing.. After that, I just fell out of video games. By the time the next systems came along, I was 18-19, and too busy being a hippy, working full time, and taking some college classes here and there. At some point, when I was around your age actually, I pulled out my old SNES, and just ended up going back to the games of my youth, except this time I was playing them stoned (I highly recommend DK Country 2 with a head full of acid). I digress. On a total side not, I just came to the realization that kids born in ‘95 are 23 now, which makes me sick. I’d sell my soul to the devil to be 23 again, that was one of the best years of my life, by far. Be sure to make it one of your’s too, bc soon your 20s will be over, and life doesn’t suck, but you’re only that young once, and you don’t want to waste it! Ok, I’m done being an old man now.. ✌🏼

[@LordRaptor]

That intro is very generous with Cheejay's physique, no Dr. Segmento or anything...

[@Siegbert85]

At first I thought it was supposed to be Scotty. How is Paul so much fatter than TJ?

[@AximVidya]

I think the intro depictions are about equally generous for all three guys

[@thusspoke08]

Gotta go with SNES. My first console, came with Zelda: link to the past

[@ianlane7489]

They are fat. They are right.

[@Maserati7200]

Hey dude. Just thought I’d remind you that Paul is fat, in particular.

[@cos9658]

Upon seeing that intro, anyone else from the old TJ banana days?

[@IgnarHusky]

Jesse DuFaux Not the bananna days, but from the late 2013 to early 2014 era. Became a consistent follower in 2015.

[@cos9658]

I dont know Gregorian calendar, only approximate DP episode

[@thomaslevy7249]

Bro, I'm from the "Terroja Lee Kincaid" days.

[@zebedeetotty]

i like the new intro, but what happened to the stereotype Japanese guy saying "deepa fata fry" you could easily edit that in at the end to the new intro

[@afelias]

Or run it as the outro or something

[@rane932]

Sega created sonic Sonic created furries Checkmate

[@RealStuntPanda]

Here's a technical description of what "Blast Processing" is: _Marty Franz [Sega technical director] discovered that you could do this nifty trick with the display system by hooking the scan line interrupt and firing off a DMA at just the right time. The result was that you could effectively jam data onto the graphics chip while the scan line was being drawn - which meant you could drive the DAC's with 8 bits per pixel. Assuming you could get the timing just right you could draw 256 color static images._ -- Scott Bayless (Senior Producer at Sega of America between 1990 and 1994)

[@dragoninthewest1]

SNES. Freaking Super Mario World, Zelda LTTP and FF VI (FF III for 1st US run) were my jam.

[@GreenSoap]

The SNES had Hong Kong '97. I rest my case

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

Based as fuck

[@Alex-mb2cy]

Grew up with the PS1, N64 and PS2, but finally a great topic for gamers!

[@11andrewdzirkel]

Genesis: Streets of Rage 2 SNES: Star Fox

[@typicalnormalperson4890]

The only console I like is the Ouya!

[@paskahalvaus697]

It's such a masterrace device you need to hack it before you can play android phone games on it.

[@LiniFox]

Ah a cure to my boredom

[@wildzach]

Lini Fox yiff

[@jonporter1233]

Where my genesis bros at?

[@kosharskysinternalorganfee9363]

Here! Revenge of Shinobi, Toe Jam and Earl, Vector Man, Ghouls and Ghosts, Golden Axe1,2, Streets of Rage1,2,3, Kid Chameleon, Altered Beast, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ninja Turtles Hyperstone Heist, Castlevania Bloodlines, Sunset Riders, Contra: Hard Corps, Midnight Resistance, Mercs, Two Crude Dudes, Truxton, Musha, Castle of Ilusion staring Mickey Mouse, Mortal Kombat, Gunstar Heroes, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Robocop vs The Terminator, Aladdin, Earthworm Jim, Comix Zone, Alien Storm, Shining Force, Phantasy Star 2,3,4. Winner is clear: Sega Genesis. Woo!

[@jonporter1233]

Cartridge Bandit vector man and comix zone were my favorite.

[@kosharskysinternalorganfee9363]

My 3 favorite consoles of all time in order 1. Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) 2. Sega Genesis 3. Super Nintendo

[@elevatordancer]

The opening animation was glorious! You guys should get a whole series on Adult Swim.

[@SLAUGHTERAMA]

SNES had Clock Tower, the first real survival horror game. Sorry Paul.

[@JKingLover69]

This tickled my snesticles

[@LordHypnos4]

I like Sonic 2 the most because of the introduction of Super Sonic, makes it way more replayable than the first one

[@waffleboi4733]

favourite episode so far, perfect mix of nostalgia for you guys and informed debate, probbaly helps that i was pumped after the intro

[@IgnarHusky]

Oooo Game nerd hype! I personally have to give it to SNES but SEGA had its positives.. I don't give a fuck, but the music for the Genesis was alright. The SNES had more polished and produced music, but I like that more distorted and harsher sound. That's probably my bias to my love for distortion, but oh well lol The music to Doom was definitely bad for the Genesis, but I still liked lot of it. Sonic is awesome too. But SNES wins over practically 75% of everything else. It basically gave the premise of what console gaming was meant to be.

[@AdamTheGreat1986]

im a big fan of super nintendo, but when i had a sega, comix zone was my favorite and most memorable(even tho i love sonic 2). also, sega, had the sega channel....

[@typicalnormalperson4890]

I can't believe adults that use computers everyday don't know what a 'bit' is.

[@LordHypnos4]

Typical NormalPerson they don't even know a bit about it

[@kana22693]

It's a thing made out of 1s and 0s, right? I don't honestly care, I'm pretty sure I can't even name all the planets in out solar system since it never came up once in my adult life so there's no need to remember shit from my second grade.

[@LCAC75]

it's not like you need to know what a bit is to use a computer. should i have to learn thermodynamics to drive a car?

[@RKFCGSBGK]

I can't believe an adult that breathes everyday doesn't know how the body inhales oxygen and transports it through the cardiovascular system.

[@GoogleVideoMan]

SNES Donkey Kong Country

[@alicyjinx8923]

Should've known that Paul, my favorite Drunken Peasant/Deep Fat Frycook was a SEGA fanboy

[@Peter.Sky.Walker]

Those Genesis songs are WAAAAAAY better than Super Nintendo.

[@MrJakku26]

Nintendo doesn't own Sonic.

[@senseisparky2844]

Lol, right after they said they were going to hell at the end, KZbin recommended the DFF episode on heaven

[@bitmummy]

Fuck yeah Earthbound!

[@lowkeythethiccstergod6939]

That Japanese legend of zelda commercial was FLAMES FLAMES FLAMES

[@zoinkdoink5639]

TJ Kinkade

[@eddiespencer6375]

Rand Paul's Hair someone is a Harry Dresden fan

[@mattw4461]

Damn, this reminded me how lucky I was being a kid growing up in the 90's.

[@norncare1]

That intro alone made this glorious!

[@draxxthemsclounts2478]

Listening to these guys talk about video games is like listening to me talk about politics

[@jonaha.2431]

what about that six button Genesis controller hahah, can't wait for more gaming DFFs! This was great, now I gotta play Earthbound and Chrono trigger finally

[@Sodaholic6502]

Fun fact: the Game Gear had a much larger palette of available colors than the Genesis did.

[@torkelsvenson6411]

Two reasons why SNES tops Genesis in my opinion: A Link to the Past and Super Metroid. That's it.

[@kryptonsteel536]

The Genesis pun you're looking for is Genesisn't

[@RealStuntPanda]

Road Rash for the PlayStation 1 is one of the best games ever made. The game play was like nothing I'd ever seen before, the artwork was better than I'd ever seen, but the music was life changing. I would leave the menu up, pressing a button every few minutes, just to hear the soundtrack. There were four Soundgarden songs, before anyone except those living in Seattle had heard of them, like Rusty Cage, Outshined, etc. Sony/A&M Records really fucked up by not releasing an Official Soundtrack for that game. As I said they had Soundgarden but they also had Paw, Hammerbox, Therapy?, Monster Magnet, and Swervedriver. *FUCKING AMAZING* bands in the mid 1990s. And they pissed it all away.

[@vladtepes490]

Being around the same age as TJ Scotty and Paul,best episode imo hands down.

[@CorsicaCollector]

May have a similar outcome... But Sega Dreamcast vs Nintendo 64???

[@Roan7995]

Kind of a dream episode. Good job, guys.

[@TheJestersDoor]

How can you even mention the Sega Genesis without talking about it's single greatest achievement- Toejam and Earl.

[@fesimco4339]

This show is full of lies. I love Paul but I don't believe his childhood friends ALL played Earthbound. Earthbound hardly sold any copies in the west. I hear stuff like this all the time, like how almost every gamer says they loved the Dreamcast and yet that sold terribly too. I don't get why people want to make up fake nerd cred when they're plenty nerdy anyway.

[@JM-fo1te]

I fucking love this channel.

[@codiebelldame554]

NeeeeeeeenTENdooo

[@miket2646]

Personally owned and love to both but if I had to pick one, Reliability - Tie Controller - Sega Graphics - Nes Sound - Nes Music - Sega Games - Tie Never had any issues with either for liability, the original Genesis controller was a perfect fit for the hands, in pretty much every game that was available on both systems, Nintendo looked better. Although, I will say that there were Some that were available for both that ran better on the Sega. The Nintendo had a much better sound. There was more separation and the instruments sounded more realistic. But I still give the music to Sega because there were so many titles with such amazing soundtracks. But at the end of the day the games are what matters and I have to put it at a tie. Super Mario world was absolutely amazing but I can’t begin to tell you how many hours I spent enjoying the hell out of sonic 1, 2 and three. To complicate matters, Nintendo has a link to the past which is one of the greatest games ever made i if not the absolute greatest. They also had starFox which was a Ton of fun back then and of course the first super Mario kart. But let’s be fair here and recognize that sega had some really weird titles like toe jam and Earl as well as Moonwalker and crue pinball that were just ridiculously fun and so unique.

[@siresorb1419]

ironically enough, whenever I think about an Sjw I immediately picture the "Dust my Doily guy."

[@EZDoes1t]

When comparing stats, also compare the release dates… Snes released almost 1.5 years after gens launch. Edit: spoke too soon. It’s brought up about 30 mins later in video

[@slimnicki]

This was great. I wanted to banter along side of them the whole time

[@Xplorer228]

Awesome animated intro.. I can't hear that song even one more time though.

[@AnimalPriestessOfT4C]

Emulators and roms of classics are technically legal due to monopoly laws. Also super Nintendo had DOOM and Sega Genesis had Duke Nukem.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Pro-tip: static title cards should be no longer than three seconds. Four shalt thou not count, and fifteen is right out.

[@SoulsOfWisdom]

I appreciate modern day checkpoints because typically modern game design can push you through boring slogs with an occasional cheap death. I wouldn't be able to enjoy modern games without checkpoints. But these older games just didn't need as many checkpoints because being sent back was part of the fun.

[@LegionOfEclaires]

Love the superhero intro XD

[@sinisternightmare]

I'd like to add my personal favorite: ZOMBIES ATE MY NEIGHBORS

[@MidnightKittehBoi]

Super Nintendo all the way. My friend had the Genesis so I remember this war fondly.

[@gastroacid1971]

The Genesis will work is you use an rf cable and screw it on to your television where the cable usually goes on an hdmi tv.

[@LegionOfEclaires]

Team Nintendo wins.

[@robertojavier1203]

Omg! Paul made me die laughing this episode! Idk is he was high or just excited but keep it up!

[@barryfennell9723]

I was a Nintendo kid but playing as the raptor in Jurassic Park on the Genesis was way better than Nintendo Jurassic park games.

[@unfortunatebeam]

lol "HAG" (Humans Against Genesis) that's awesome

[@Creslin321]

Tagline - The childhood argument is resolved TODAY. End of the episode - Well they were both great systems.

[@DeadMarine1980]

Even back in the 90s I was a member of the P.C Master race.

[@GreenSoap]

Castlevania The Next Generation on Sega looked better than most Snes games

[@antonydrossos5719]

Ok, I can't deny that the first Sonic & Streets of Rage were sick af, but c'mon, SNEs had SECRET OF MANA, CYBERNATOR, and METAL WARRIORS! Not to mention a young Paul Rudd rockin' the Brandon Lee 'do!

[@Inquisitor_Jeff]

As a man growing up with Xbox vs Playstation, I can tell you...there isn't a fucking difference between the two now.

[@kiritosenpai1501]

Idk how anyone can prefer the snes music to the sega it was so much more metal

[@deceasedbyphantom]

I really liked this episode, hope it won't get copywrite striked.

[@a5noble2]

This episode highly inspired by AVGN. Gotta get that guy on as a guest.

[@sailcvl3976]

CSR is better than Mario Cart for the reason ChrisRayGun cites. It you hit the grass in mario, you stop dead. CSR on the other hand has more realistic (and fun) reactions to the surroundings.

[@MoonPresence-fg8dn]

Paul, Nintendo doesn't own Sonic.

[@behind_the_smile7107]

No mention of the Streets of Rage series? Not much talk about Gunstar heroes, and what about the graphical beauty of Comix Zone? Dynamite Headdy, Shining force?

[@granzert1711]

EA Sports games used to be better on the Sega Mega Drive. Their gameplay was more fluid on that platform. (By the way, the Genesis was also called Mega Drive in Europe.)

[@TheMedsPeds]

Should have used Donkey Kong music for Super Nintendo. KICKS SEGA'S ASS!

[@thebatmanover9000]

Who had sega channel?

[@zackschilling4376]

You guys (Paul especially) forgot to mention that those Rhinos in SMW were named Reznor, as in Trent. And on the subject of music, there are great songs on the Genesis. Just no one in North America could make the Genesis sound good.

[@therobotchickenMLP]

The Japanese Link to the Past commercial is the greatest thing ever conceived by humans. Or maybe it was aliens, who knows?

[@wrongthinker4475]

I grew up with the PS2 and seeing what this generation grows up with makes me feel old.

[@SkinWalker882012]

I keep seeing Beavis and butthead flash on the screen lol

[@david3188col]

Sega Channel was pretty bad ass. Different games each month. Fuck, it's crazy to think how long ago that was.

[@Altorin]

the thing is, sonic is a shitty speed running game Mario is an awesome speed running game Mario is a lot more solidly designed

[@Altorin]

Listenning to Paul talk about the difference between Mario and sonic kind of makes me sick lol Sonic's speed was a marketting gimmick. If you actually compare pixel to pixel they're basically the same speed. Sonic is bigger in his frame so he's harder to control at high speeds, and while some Mario levels don't lend themselves to raw speed the same can be said of sonic. There are at least as many tedious platforming sections in sonic. I think Paul's rose tinted goggles are in full effect. Honestly i think there are more levels that let you go fast in Mario world then sonic. Hearing Paul boast about sonics reminds me of poochy from the Simpsons.

[@Profoundemonium]

Altorin Was with you until you didn't know the difference between "then" and "than".

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

@Christopher McDonald true

[@zackschilling4376]

The Super Famicom/SNES (European version) look way better than the stupid one we got in North American. The SNES controller is superior to the Genesis controllers(including the 6 button controller). I prefer the SNES library but the Genesis had the shooters. SNES had some of the best games ever - SMB World, Super Metroid, Street Fighter 2 Turbo was the better version, Sim City with its Nintendo touches was amazing. Chrono Trigger - Earthbound - Secret of Mana - Final Fantasy 2 and 3 are still at the top of the RPG heap. Legend of Zelda LTTP - do I even need to say anything ??? Super Castlevania IV edges out Bloodlines IMO - although both are amazing games.

[@sabin97]

to be fair the bits dont really refer to the graphics but the word-size. a 16-bit console could process data much more complex than an 8 bit console, of course some of that complexity goes to the graphics, but it really affects everything. now we have 64-bit processors in our computers, and that seems to be enough to process pretty much everything we need. so there's no need for any console to brag about that because at this point it's meaningless....but back in the day it made a huge difference.

[@MrDestroyedSoulx]

I think when someone says they like the genesis better it's not because they think it sounds objectively better but probably just either a personal preference for it or maybe more likely it's what they grew up on. Nostalgia often has a way of making people stubbornly prefer whatever they grew up with even if it's objectively worse than another version of it.

[@Mutex50]

Genesis first came with Altered Beast which was the one my mom bought me. After Sonic came out they started shipping it with that.

[@0lAllan]

It wasn't a contest the SNES quashed the GENESIS in my mind. Obviously I was a Nintendo player at that time. All joking and posterioring aside the Genesis did have the premiere X-Men title(s) until that Capcom game came out. I'd still like to have a copy of those two titles. It had Spinball, which is still one of my favorite games from that time. A few great titles cannot sway my bias! The Nerd settled this argument years ago.

[@snausages43]

If you were going to get copyright striked for video game music, that would happen to LPers in every episode they released.

[@irrationalgeographic9953]

If you have a mint NES or Genesis now days, they are worth more money now than they were when they came out.

[@IgnarHusky]

Irrational Geographic I can imagine. I think if you went to a gaming museum, you'll see both in there, guaranteed

[@Johnnygrafx]

Also, Paul, you got Sonic Spinball confused with Sonic 3D Blast. 3D blast was the isometric 3D-ish game. Spinball was a 2D pinball game in the same style as the casino level from Sonic 2, although not quite as good.

[@fullmetaladam86]

Intro definitely better than the new Thundercats intro.