Seiko vs Orient [The ULTIMATE Battle] SKX013 - 5KX - Ray II - Kamasu

[@TimedSquare]

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[@bcdlmo]

@Izaan Izu no, solid endlinks for the kamasu...

[@techokill4163]

stuck between kamasu and 5kx. this will be my first watch. my wrist is quite thin, about 48-50mm and 4.8inch in circumference. both appearance look nice to me and i dont really mind about the water resist depth. kamasu is 50usd more expensive than 5kx here. is it worth it to go for kamasu instead of 5kx? planning to get green kamasu / blue 5kx

[@TimedSquare]

@@techokill4163 You'll get more shots of both on leather bands this Sunday. Stay tuned, this might help you choose!

[@techokill4163]

@@TimedSquare I saw the video, those straps are nice. what is your wrist width again?

[@hkou7346]

Because of symbolic capital and status the Rolex expresses. It's that simple!!

[@thedar7164]

That green Kamasu is killer... just stunning.

[@Mark-sd7fc]

My red one does it for me!

[@stephanx2384]

Kamasu all the way. It has everything I want in a watch. Got the red one and I love it!

[@brianbuchert6382]

Stephan Oberender I want the red Kumasu too

[@stoffe2055]

Bought it today love that red dial had to wait 4 months before a little stock came in today

[@BohdanOsipian]

Chris diggy guys, what about wearing them with for example blue shirt? I love red version very much but have much doubts about matching to my clothing...

[@stephanx2384]

@@BohdanOsipian I guess this depends on the shade of blue you are wearing and what other colors might be in there. Also, keep in mind the dial is a bit subdued when not in direct light. However if you are wearing a classic light blue shirt this might not be the first choice. Gives you an excuse to own more watches lol. I usually wear mine with any color of red, eben if its just burgundy shoes or neutral colors like white or grey where it really pops.

[@stoffe2055]

@@BohdanOsipian its so dark IF not in the dun so it works with everything for me a blue shirt Will look just fine :)

[@1517the_year]

This is a phenomenal review and comparison. This covers everything and is completely thorough. Good job!

[@LuisFlores-cx8bo]

I prefer oriente Ray 2, but the color Blue. It's most cool.

[@julzmax956]

Oh man the green Kamasu is sick. I need one of those in my life.

[@Youbadouba]

The whole watch community has been waiting for that video. Many thanks mate

[@kiankok84]

Thank you for making this video! Before this video, I was unable to decide whether I should get the SKX09 or Kamasu as my first diver watch. After watching this, I've decided to buy both!

[@has7354]

The Orient Ray II is relevant for me because of Hand-winding, screw-down, 41.5 mm and above all the round markers. To me the dash markers disturbs my eyes! Thanks for the deep audio-video analysis.

[@jsl02008]

I too feel the same way. We may be autistic.

[@garynico9872]

me too, but because it much cheaper than kamasu😌

[@bowiemars1]

orient ray.2 rocks!!!

[@swabby429]

After a lot of mulling over the choices this summer, I picked up an Orient Ray. I'm glad I did.

[@Crackity_Jones.]

So did I, for 127 US dollars that I paid I dont think it can be beat

[@pm.meowth4850]

😮 me too

[@leelc99]

I bought a Seiko5 recently based on its value for money, affordability and all-rounder watch!

[@meirmoses8821]

It is an excellent watch. Well machined. Hacking and winding. Bught the khaki one with milanese bracelet for my son.

[@decisive3990]

@@meirmoses8821 You have a very lucky son

[@MrTemplarious]

Pure love for the SKX013. I bought it one year ago and I love it more every day. I wear it with a brown leather strap with polish steel clasp and is just perfect balance between elegance and an sport and masculine appearance. That flat bezel and cristal makes him move away from the rest (not looking like another Submariner copy shape), giving to the watch an strong personality and becoming itself as the icon that it is. And after a year I´m so happy to had paid just 191 euros, now is not easy to find it for less than 270. Really good comparison ;)

[@MrTemplarious]

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[@lowersaxon]

Agreed! My 013 is a little bit pimped though ( movement, sapphire, lumed bezel ring, crown). Nothing changed the overall appearence though.

[@matthewscott3689]

All great watches, especially for the price. The Kamasu is probably the one to go for, however even though the SKX has the least features it’s still my favorite of the bunch. I know it’s outdated, but it’s iconic and just has a certain charm about it. Just my personal opinion, I’ll always have an SKX in my collection. And the 013 is my favorite :)

[@amirreza8574]

The best review about those watches I have seen so far. Keep up the good work

[@Unborn8436]

For the versatility part I think you should have put more emphasis on the fact that you can get all of the at the same color (black) to have less bias towards/against the green ones. I mean you already called the Ray II a boring design because of the black color but it would be a different story if the blue one was here. Would be the same case if you had the black sk5 or the black kamasu. But great vid!

[@P_Ezi]

Agreed. The Ray II in blue is definitely not boring. It is very nice.

[@TheBassBaritone]

I was 100% certain that I’m gonna buy the Seiko Hulk. But when I saw the Kamasu and his specs couple of weeks ago, I just can’t stop searching videos so I can see it and admire it. The most amazing watch under 300 euros that I’ve seen till now.

[@77cjam]

I understand that the skx is an icon. But given most people owning these watches have never, nor will they ever dive what actually is a "dive watch". Just because a watch doesn't have iso certification doesn't make it not fit for purpose, as the purpose for these watches has changed. If you are willing to pay extra for an ISO certification, no problem. But there are other watches out there. Just because the companies that sell make understand the concept/usage/purpose of a dive watch has changed and they choose not to pay for a pointless ISO certification doesn't make their watches interior. Just buy/pay for the watch you are more happy with

[@JLchevz]

100%

[@alencode]

The point is sometimes there are people, like me, who has smaller wrists ( 15,5 cm ) and do not have any choice than the skx013. The othets are too big and desproportional to the forearm.

[@77cjam]

@@alencode My point was clearly aimed at ISO certification and paying extra for it, not the size of the watch

[@Smufter69]

@@77cjam I have a friend with a Range Rover. He has never been off road in his life. Cost him nearly £80k

[@adamb3129]

Alejandro Avila Seiko Mini Turtle or a Islander 38mm. All you have to do is look

[@arrancaal]

just bought Seiko 5 sports and very satisfy with it.

[@markmclendon5834]

I love the way you had the charts, two thumbs up for you.

[@internettroll7497]

Before watching the video, my money is on the kamasu.

[@QuangNguyen-ey6zf]

Internet troll after watching, still Kamasu?

[@noobzrule]

Kamasu cause it sound like a Kanji or monsters🐉🐲 in Japan

[@internettroll7497]

@@QuangNguyen-ey6zf yep

[@larsstougaard7097]

I just bought the red kamasu, but I really want this green one too. Im on my 6. Orient watch, I think I have a serious problem. Must talk to my therapist 🤗⌚

[@brandon-kg2vd]

Man for me, it has to be the seiko 5 sport. That green color looks unbelievably stunning. Only think I would do is just upgrade the crystal to a sapphire in the future. I don't ever see myself fully diving so the 100m should be more than enough for me

[@anandb7313]

I like the green one too. Is it suitable to wear at formal occasions?

[@theBOSS3105]

My Gosh I've been looking for a review like this. Great great great review! Excellent thank you for taking your time doing this!

[@aliwader]

I'm so happy that I found your channel. I have the exact same writst size as you and all my life long I thought I could never pull off a watch and it would always look bad. It made me pretty sad to be honest since I really do like the look of some watches. You really gave me the confidence to look out for watches and don't think too much about the size. Now I own a few watches and I'm so happy every morning when I put on a watch. You really made a difference in my life and I really want to thank you for that.

[@callmev.2397]

Very nice and informative video. I will be going for the Ray II. Thank you!

[@salvadorsalustiano5911]

Thank you Alessandro -your channel just keeps getting better.

[@SharapovaFan]

The Orient Ray I in blue was one of my first automatic watches since I got into watches over half a decade ago. I now have much more expensive pieces such as my GMT Master, but I still wear the Orient from time to time. There's really something about it at just looks right and timeless despite its humble position in horology. In comparison, I've gotten rid of all my SKX Seikos. I've had three SKXes (007, 013 and 031), all in different sizes. Honestly, I do not get the hype with the SKX. It looks like a toy especially after you've owned at least a dozen other different watches. I also bought the Kamasu when it first came out over a year ago. It was actually the limited edition mother of pearl dial in blue and gold. I disposed of it shortly after since the bezel was "raised" and prone to getting scratches and chips on the edges of the bezel insert. It's only something you'll notice in person.

[@Andreianable]

over half of decade..... or maybe quarter of 2 decades?

[@jorgegarcia1441]

I experienced the same issue you mentioned on the kamasu, on my ray 2. After a couple months it was mashed all over the bezel

[@bowiemars1]

ray series.are the.best.diver.of all times

[@WhiteSandsMbuna]

I wear the triton daily. That raised bezel is one of the best features. They are $20 to replace. If it was flush with crystal, or below, all those bezel dings would be on the crystal. The edges of tempered glass are the sensitive area that causes it to break from a light tap.

[@Fabianwew]

This is a very well made video with no fluff. Thank you!

[@OXxDarkxXO56]

Thank you for the in-depth review. It is great to see the pros and cons of each watch in such great detail

[@luizantonioleao]

Thank you for amazing review. About Ray II, i prefer the blue version.It's more beautiful than others, in my opinion.

[@udojager2673]

Great review. You did a great job. I prefer the skx013. It is a real diver.

[@MichaelLee-jm7mo]

I just got my orient kamasu green and love it so much. More so after finding out its desirable. I bought mine for 220 usd brand new from a dealer at a shopping center. Love it will keep it in my watch collection for a long long time ♡

[@Ron_A._Bolton]

Thanks for you previous video on the Kamasu, I got mine two weeks ago, no alignment issues, could be a tad fast, but I will get it serviced in 12 months and regulated than. Thanks for this video too, keep up the great content.

[@drazman9]

Nice review, thanks for that! I actually went with a blue Kamasu, since I got it for $200 and the Sapphire was a huge selling point (also any SKX was sold out in my country). I am wearing it all day since, and the movement is a little bit fast compared to my NH35A Vostok Europe, but "resetting it" every month isn't that bad (it gains like 2-3 minutes each month). Also since, I use my watches in hard environments, the "crystal" on the Vostok didn't live up to, while I managed to scratch the bezel on the Kamasu, the crystal is still fine! - For a next add-on, Kamasu could really do with a ceramic bezel and than this watch would be a perfect tool/EDC watch - but let's not go there Orient :)

[@johnybrokeit]

Thank you! This was an excellent comparison and I am happy to have listened to an expert's take and opinion on the various features of each.

[@AhmadThabet-qw1kc]

The Overall winner is the Kamasu, because of the Sapphire Christal, hacking, winding & signed crown, as per the tables at 02:35. Knowing that Orient is a division of Seiko, then quality and reliability will be the same in both brands. The Kamasu is a true breath diving (not ISO 6425 certified) and dress watch for every day use. Many Thanks dear Alexandro for the unbiased and comprehensive review and best regards.

[@DanBarksey]

Kamasu Blue rocks

[@ilyagrigoryev26]

What a great video! I like your way of telling - it is detailed, simple and exciting. Thank you) P.S. I have Orient Ray 2

[@henrywest7217]

I hesitate to dwell on something so superficial but I just love the green on the dial of the Orient. I've never seen a color quite like that on either high or low end watches.

[@scinto23]

It's a real nice shade. The ruby/maroon looks good too.

[@ferer369]

Wow, I've been waiting for this review, thanks for uploaded it!

[@evanspivack2714]

Great vid...I've been waiting for a good head-to- head for a while now. I have a Ray II in blue...stunning and comfortable. I actually like the firmness of the bezel. The Kamasu color looks pretty amazing, and I like the smaller 013 size and crown position. Always look forward to seeing your vids! Keep it up!

[@themightysquid]

Great review. I own the skx013 and Ray2. I tried on the new Seiko 5’s and they were great looking but they just felt too big for me. For daily wear I would go with the skx013. It’s case size and comfort of the jubilee bracelet win over the Ray2’s 41.5mm case, 22mm bracelet(no taper), and tightness of the bezel. However, the finish and details on the Orient are much nicer making it a much more versatile watch. Congrats Allesandro on 25k subscribers! So deserved👍

[@julioemilianoocamponieto704]

My favorite is Orient kamasu .thanks for show me this excelent piece. Saludos desde Mexico!!

[@bng188]

Picked up the Green Kamasu a few weeks ago. Love it!

[@drazman9]

Nice! My next big search is to find one in my country!!

[@The_Real_Indiana_Joe]

I'm green with envy! Is that appropriate?

[@supermeseriasu]

Green look good? Im between green and blue.

[@bng188]

@@supermeseriasu yes I'm still very happy with the green! Most of the time it's quite dark, so, it doesn't pop as much as the blue, but in the sun, the dial is fantastic!

[@pattymiller2160]

Great video. Orient Ray II is the best all around.

[@just-dl]

Best review I’ve seen ever. Thank you. Orient wins for me. Thinking mako 3 as it now has sapphire crystal.

[@umutaydogdu1502]

What a crazy comparison video👍 keep doing this way bro✌️

[@mareczuczek]

Orient Kamasu is my new love. Im just on my adventure on all the Kamasu videos to be more hyped for it ^^

[@totallyfrozen]

This is the best comparison and review of seen of these watches…period. 👍🏻 15:21 Diver watches are chunky by nature (well, TRUE divers are). So no one should be surprised if they get a diver and it’s BIG.

[@stuartphillips2960]

Excellent job. Best comparison of those watches I have seen yet

[@TimedSquare]

Appreciate that

[@edteach3r]

Excellent review and comparison, thank you! Your channel is fast becoming my favourite watch channel.

[@anthonyizme]

Great video! Thank you for taking the time to make this

[@Viallineo]

This has been a great help as I have been thinking of buying the Kamasu but didn’t know much about it. This comparison has been really informative. Thank you 😊

[@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement]

Very good review. I just purchased the Seiko 5 Sports in green, exactly the same as in your review. The main reason I showed it was because it did not have a screw down crown, which allows for easy adjustments right on my wrist. As for the "only" 100m rating, that is ok for me as I only snorkel to no more than 10m deep.

[@wakawaka1976]

I like how the Orient Star’s and Tritons have the power reserve on the dial. Considering the OS diver or the Orient trident.

[@albertmanuel5028]

What a fantastic and well done comparison. I have a red Kamasu that I bought directly from Orient for around $250.

[@i-3307]

Kamasu: the red one is screaming buy me!!!!!

[@randyritt6339]

Great video. Great comparison. Lucky to have either one. Just want to add something I did hear say, briefly. Last year to get the legendary, skx, from seiko. You have time to put one of the others in your collection in the future, so it’s my suggestion to get one of the last sks and never do any mods you can’t change back to oem. Thanks for your vids, The knifewatchman.

[@willidevegt8831]

you say the bezel on the Ray II is not useful for everyday use because the turning is very hard. I would say since you are not a diver that the bezel on the Ray II is the best in everyday use because you won't use the bezel since you are not a diver and when the bezel for always stays at its place that would be only good. For the rest i loved your video thanks

[@Doug5524]

Excellent review, I went for the Kamasu with the black face fit and finish is perfect for me

[@victorcreed8856]

That teal sunburst dial on the Kamasu 😍

[@bill5102]

I have the red (it's actually more like burgundy) Kamasu. It is a beautiful watch with great functionality and a unique design of its own. For my money the Kamasu is the way to go. Seiko 5 I would not even include due to lack of screw down crown and the fact that it does not meet official dive watch specs. Thanks for your review!!

[@strongmanupdates7533]

I have both the Seiko 5 sport and the Orient Ray 2, and I love both of them. Would like to have had a screw-down crown on the Seiko 5, but honestly the push-pull is stiff enough to stay put and 100m is more water resistance than I’ll ever need. I’d also like to have had a larger crown on the Orient with a bit better knurling, but I’m not massively disappointed with it. Both the Seiko and the Orient have their pros and cons, but for ~$200 they’re amazing watches. I’d recommend both of them to anyone looking to start their automatic watch collecting, or even to just add a cool diver to their collection at a great price.

[@m4ri723]

thank you dude, very informative and well produced video!

[@FINEST-uz9ek]

Loved review and format my pick overall would be the Ray ll which I own in blue . I love the size dimensions and design to include fit and finish and the price is excellent . You have a new subscriber .

[@williamhill7312]

Great video, I was surprised by my Kamasu 2 Teal dial's finishing, better than expected. The screw down crown is a bugger to get screwed back down! Other than that it's an amazing deal for the $230 I paid for it. Happy with the looks and value.

[@kaskuban]

For the orient ray 2 a neat trick to loosen up the rotating bezel, add some olive oil on the sides and continue rotating the bezel. You'll notice a big difference :)

[@chs53021]

Great video; thank you for your analysis

[@kurtstephen9464]

Nice Mark, You are a trusted voice... Tudor yes, especially the burgundy

[@preemptivestrike6465]

My all time favourite is still the Ray II with a dark blue dial. The only thing I wish it had was a sapphire crystal. Other than that, it's a great watch with impressive lume and it looks great even under the cuff of a long-sleeved shirt.

[@tigerbyte0]

Wow great video Alexandro!

[@jofubar2763]

Is there a version orient ray 2 with saphire or is it just urban legend?

[@oldiesfreek]

Great and very comprehensive comparisons!

[@victorshikhman]

As mentioned in the video, think about wearing these watches with a dress shirt. My Citizen Eco Drive E650 constantly catches on the edge of my shirt sleeves, which requires that extra hand wiggling to free the watch, and actually has torn some strands of fabric on a few shirts. I think the sleeker profile of the Orient Ray II would slide more freely from under and out of a shirt sleeve.

[@migfed]

The best watch comparison video ever.

[@RH-lz3om]

Excellent review style and measure of detail. Really good. Well done.

[@snowmean1]

For me the winner is Ray II. If you want sapphire crystal you can buy one on ebay for $20 and pay $30 to replace it. Still will be way under Kamasu price and I love the dial of Ray better

[@michaliswainston-harrison2905]

Great video. For a while I've been pondering whether to get an Orient Ray II, I think it has much more value than the skx now that it's gone up in price.

[@ChapeauRouge921]

Get the Blue Ray2. The sunburst on that dial is just in a league of its own

[@michaliswainston-harrison2905]

@@ChapeauRouge921 I've had my eye on that exact model! Thanks! I am a sucker for a blue face. I love my blue Casio Edifice efv-110d-2avuef!!

[@victorshikhman]

Yeah, and meanwhile the Ray II has dropped in price quite a bit. I just saw it for $125 on Amazon.

[@starmorpheus]

@@victorshikhman It's still goin for around $135 right now. Great value

[@camtou914]

Good useful review, nice photography!

[@bigneon_glitter]

Amazing review. Answered every question I had.

[@williamrizzo1285]

Komatsu the Ray II with the blue dial the Seiko 5 then the skx mini 013. Just my opinion. Thank you for another great video

[@brianmsahin]

Since you just liked my 2 month old comment today....I will make a confession. Since then, as well as the Seiko, I also bought an orange bezel 44.5 mm Mako XL with the older non handwinding movement and absolutely love the look, the size, everything! So now, thanks to you I'm both a Seiko and Orient fanboy!😁

[@TimedSquare]

Join the club! 😉

[@felipevillaroman6606]

Just have my new seiko sport today in charcoal and blue ...a gift for myself this christmas...

[@Daputaka]

Nice review. I have both SKX009 and blue Kamasu. Of the reviewed watches, I think you can never go wrong choosing from any. All are divers' watches. If you spend more time diving than on business attires, SKX would be the choice, else the Kamasu on the other way around.

[@johnwhitehead8006]

Ray II, pop the bezel off and remove the excess glue holding the bezel insert. This freed- up the bezel on my Ray II.

[@ChristianDesmarais]

Great video as usual, straight to the point and very professional editing. Only thing, the indices on the 5KX are not "stamped from the back of the dial" but rather applied.

[@jmy6050]

If you want a watch that you can mod easily at home (if you are fairly good with your hands) the Seiko 5 is a good choice. There are a number of upgrades, like a sapphire crystal and a ceramic bezel, that are very cheap to purchase. I am a proud owner of a Swiss drive Invicta Pro Diver, but lean towards the S5 and will probably purchase one of these. Love the gold hands and indices against the green background.

[@jasonnunez7005]

Awesome review! Just a small tip for the Ray II: if you apply pressure onto the bezel and put the pads of your thumb and middle finger on the surface of the bezel (not on the outside of the bezel) at 0800 and 0200, the bezel rotates fairly easily. Even if that is still difficult, with the same finger placement you can actually rotate your hand using your wrist, which will give you a bit more torque. Hope this helps!

[@defender1030]

I got 5 orient and 2 orient star watch all in auto. I'll go for the kamasu. what can I say, I'm an orient fan boy.

[@Raven34gtr]

I went for the blue Kamasu as it looked somewhat better than the others, I probably will get the SKX007 in the near future rather than the 13 but I do like the Ray ll in black, also ordering the Orient Neo70 as that looks stunning with a light brown strap. Nice review by the way.

[@hugowasalreadytaken]

Amazing video!!! keep up the good work

[@wpherigo1]

I think you nailed it! Even in that summary shot the Komasu just stood out. A the rest looked like black dials almost.

[@jairoj.ninoperez6390]

Great Video! thorough yet concise review!

[@rajatwow737]

Kamasu should also be available under sub 40mm

[@XxCentiPedexX]

I have it mate, it wears smaller than a bambino in my opinion

[@Ferien7]

Glennetjuh the kamasu?

[@XxCentiPedexX]

@@Ferien7 yupp, it doesnt look all that big for its 42mm. Lugs also are very compact for a diver (46mm tip to top).

[@Ferien7]

Glennetjuh the kamasu is larger than the bambino

[@vascosaldanha602]

@@Ferien7 he said it wears smaller

[@gimbydude491]

Love your comparisons, excellent discussion points. Helps those of us who don’t have them all in hand. Keep up the great work dude

[@patnathan5013]

I was about to get the Kamasu, but found the QC on it was pretty bad. All of them had specks of dust on the dials, the hands etc. I finally got the Seiko Automatic Pepsi with no misalignment issues. Pretty happy now, especially when strangers admire my watch wherever I go.😃

[@garynico9872]

may i know the reference number?

[@HoodRoI3]

I love the Orient Ray II, got mine in blue today. I love that watch. Love the smoothness in the design. Great fkn watch for a great fkn price.

[@garynico9872]

is the mineral crystal scratch easily? thinking of getting ray 2 but i'm scared it doesn't have the sapphire crystal

[@OhYeaMista]

The attention to detail getting the 5 sports and Ray 2 to stop at 12o clock. 👍. You forgot on the Kamatsu I guess... lol.

[@MrKayDeeJay]

Great video, very detailed and well explained - thank you!

[@MyAffordableWatchCollection]

What a great line up! Well done, beautiful video

[@ajgross67]

If you want a Kamaru, Jomashop has them for 199-209 depending on the color, plus they often give $10-20 off coupons

[@storm3016]

Great comparison! I don't do mineral crystals so the Kamasu is the only choice for me here. The easier to use bezel and crown are also great selling points for me compared to the blue Orient Mako II, which appeals to me the most purely based on looks. If the white dial version of the Mako USA II was included that would be my winner though. But I still feel my white dial Heimdallr SKX beats them all... ;)