Selling Soap Is Hard

A little secret to other soap makers and for people being advertised to on fear, insecurity, false medical claims etc--- this is not an easy industry.
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#soap #selling #marketing #smallbusiness #market #sensitiveskin #dryskin #skincare #ache #cosmetic #FDA #clean #medical

[@xx44661]

It is fair that people should not make these claims. Most cosmetic products need to undergo extensive testing to support these claims

[@mozorellastick2583]

Not true in all countries, def not the US. Most cosmetics can say and make whatever claims as long as those ingredients have some Luke warm data supporting them, but they don't even have to use the ingredient in meaningful quantities. I'm a cosmetic chemist and we once formulated a bee venom face cream for a client that had 0.00000125% bee venom in it... and they were still allowed to market it as having bee venom

[@Jaypupp]

True! And what works for one might not work for another, a soap could cure one person's acne but make another's 10x worse and cause a lawsuit over the face they said it cures acne and now the user has cysts or something LOL Otherwise, its just not fun to try to find a soap or product and all you can find are influencers preaching about how magical their miracle product is and how it will save your life hehe

[@AimeeColeman]

Exactly! Rubbing Advil on your skin is not the same as ingesting it, so why would turmeric be medicinal if you just rub it on yourself, even if taking does do something?

[@nikki1400]

Cosmetic claims aren't the same as *medical* claims, THAT is where it gets tricky and you have to be careful with the wording. Once you cross that line into making medical claims, you have a problem, but there are plenty of simple ways to not cross that line and still make those claims.

[@mlem6951]

Yeah and then they use 0,000000001% and can Claim their Shampoo heals cancer ...

[@Ankh_The_Artist]

I can't believe a soap company is using AI to market itself. We truly are in the absolute worst timeline

[@CrankyCanine]

Calling yourselves Anarchy Bunny and using AI is crazy.

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

@@birdsofvalhallaThis is an abhorrent look when your video is discussing how hard it is to sell soap because you cant make certain claims. Either you're having trouble or you aren't.

[@miikaura]

​@birdsofvalhalla how are you not embarrassed... so many comments pointing out your hypocrisy and yet you refuse to see it. take 200 of that half a mil profit and pay a fucking artist you weirdo.

[@katyishere]

@@birdsofvalhallaBeing rude to people in the comments calling you out on being hypocrites makes you look significantly worse

[@youslut]

@@birdsofvalhalla half a million on what? Only 6k here js 😅

[@CrankyCanine]

@birdsofvalhalla Lol, your response to criticism is flexxing how well your company is doing? I guess just dont acknowledge the absolute hypocrisy of using AI art. Also, you make enough money to hire an actual artist. Dont use the word anarchist for your company unless you actually mean it, Ms. Dreadlocks.

[@genlevomen]

The ai "art" in the end

[@marsyasthesatyr]

"Ai airt isn't real art" mfers looking at their "emails":

[@genlevomen]

@@marsyasthesatyr...? What?

[@marsyasthesatyr]

@@genlevomen "Ai art isn't real art" mfers looking at their "ebooks":

[@love_yourself1342]

@@marsyasthesatyr that's a horrible comparison and you know it 💀

[@marsyasthesatyr]

@@love_yourself1342 Ai art isn't real art" mfers looking at a "webpage":

[@sergiuszstein]

It's a very sneaky way to advertise your soap to say everything you can't say it does because of the ambiguity of weather you're saying you can't say those things about soap in general or if you're saying your product does those things but you're not allowed to advertise it.

[@0Milena_aneliM0]

"U have no idea how not making false claims is"

[@xylophone_888]

"anarchy" and then it's a company blatantly stealing work from real actual artists and complaining about how they can't lie to their customers to sell overpriced practically worthless by the law of supply and demand objects, y'all won't let me get a break from laughing istg

[@NatLeRat]

Yikes is that an ai image at the end 🫤

[@huiajkoosmqmkw.kakaoaamama7692]

@@birdsofvalhalla Why are you trying to defend AI generated images so bad? its soulless garbage that steals artist's work and jobs. there is 0 reason to use AI art like this ESPECIALLY since you have more than enough money to hire a real artist. just WHY?

[@dinorawur]

@@birdsofvalhallakeep being rude, if your business wasn’t crappy before your disgustingly rude and childish behaviour ON your business account sure made it even crappier, and you’re clearly panicked and crying over the fact everyone in the comment section, probably everyone who even saw this crappy video, called you out for you being a hypocrite. using ai art while calling yourself an anarchy bunny is the funniest fucking shit ive heard today. you’re an awful human!!

[@m0rkim00]

​@@birdsofvalhallayou're cheap and greedy

[@jimmytesta1454]

​@@m0rkim00they are "anarchist" of course they are they dont want to pay anyone anything just steal

[@toadymallow]

@@birdsofvalhalla​​⁠ i thought anarchists understood that legality≠morality.. i thought a small struggling business would understand that profiting off of the exploitation of real artists is a shitty immoral thing to do. also pick a fucking side are you a “struggling small business” or do you have “over 1/2 a million followers and 1/2 a million in annual revenue”?? you’d think if yall made so much money (like you boast about) then you could actually afford to commission some real fuckin art. so yknow maybe, if you put more effort into sticking true to this “anarchist soap” masquerade than you do arguing with actual anarchists in your comments about the legality of a program that is known to steal from real artists, then you might actually succeed in pulling the wool over ppls eyes and con some poor souls into believing they are actually supporting good people by buying your ugly yellow-staining turmeric soap! just a thought.. have a good day go fuck yourself bye :)

[@mixedmediaartgirl300]

Love. The anarchy bunny... appropriate for all the rabbit holes, including the red tape you're discussing

[@birdsofvalhalla]

This… is a most excellent point

[@salvie777]

Solidarity 🫶🫶🫶

[@arosonomy]

Idk where you're from, but the CPSC regulates true soaps, while cosmetics or drugs are regulated by FDA. To that end, CPSC does not have specific requirements for soaps (like the ones you listed). In general, soaps would be subject to the Federal Hazardous Substances Act (FHSA) and the Consumer Product Safety Act (CPSA). The only requirements that are listed in their regulations are as follows: "...must not be toxic, corrosive, irritating, or a strong sensitizer and cannot reasonably cause harm within the course of normal use" So, if your soap isn't irritating, toxic, corrosive and you make sure it's scentless- you very much can sell "cookie" soaps. If it causes any of the above, you might have a lawsuit- but I'm not seeing anything that says you can't put soap around a loofah and call it exfoliating.

[@Jenny_420]

How to say your soap does all this without saying your soap does all this...

[@TheSarahskaninchen]

How to "Claim" you soap does all this. Which it probably doesnt because she has No studies to prove it.

[@Jenny_420]

@@TheSarahskaninchen well said..

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

@@TheSarahskaninchenAnd how to still get in trouble with the FTC because "oh I cant say my soap does this! But go buy it 😏😏" is a claim.

[@Chelseabellsiee]

They really thought they were slick with this whiney, slimey ad

[@winshowplace]

If the market is saturated, make something else...?

[@zekebohannon6058]

I agred that you shouldn't be able to make medical claims, but it sounds like a perfect chance to focus more on emotion based marketing instead of features

[@vinyllproductions9254]

Remember kids: the ai art they use in their marketting has no ability to be copyrighted, so steal away! Especially if theyre a company who can 100% hire an artist for like $100-200 every once in a while

[@JohnSmith-mc2zz]

Because it doesn't.

[@Eludinium]

There's a very good reason why the FDA is so strict. Also it's soap, the surfactant will change the properties and mechanism of absorption of any of those "active ingredients", which is VERY different from topical medications and lotions.

[@RealBasil143]

im going to start learning FDA and selling laws so I can yell at dropshippers about the numerous laws they break

[@connorhunter9394]

That’s way they say “it may prevent” & “it can help”

[@Orchidlettux]

Please tell me the bunny art wasn't AI

[@chaoticnekomancer]

Oh it absolutely is. And it's so blatant too :')

[@jan-willembavinck3650]

Turmeric? Won't that stain everything?

[@poopenfartenstein]

Yes it stains

[@mimilune2746]

Yea wtf

[@lilaclila6968]

It could.

[@saidd1s]

TURMERIC????? I put that in my pasta bro for taste aint no way OP is putting spices in soap

[@probablyyourfault8524]

Yes and no, depends on the amount and the time you leave it on (in a mask, in soap, whatever)

[@jessicawilde4530]

Dude, get a juicer for your carrots! Its sooooo easy I promise. And I know theyre not cheap, but that Bolthouse juice adds up. And carrots are cheap!

[@birdsofvalhalla]

That whole bottle did nearly 90 bars. We have a juicer

[@jessicawilde4530]

@@birdsofvalhalla sorry. Just figured if you had a juicer then you would use real carrots, but I know absolutely nothing about making soap

[@m.b.r.9527]

Soap makers that look like they don't use soap (or shower) have a hard time selling the soap they made? I am shocked.

[@kacywatson6314]

And here in Europe, we have no such issue. You just have to be very blunt and very clear with your labelling and marking. For example if you use artificial strawberry sent you could see on the front strawberry scented soap, but in the back you must label it artificial strawberry scent. But if you’re using real strawberries to send your handmade soap, label it as such, but you also didn’t have to label it as not food

[@Kevin-og1zx]

Weird cuz my bar of Dial soap also says it'll clean your cookie and then my bar of Dove soap says that the scent will last up to an hour or more kind of sounds like if your products not approved of by the government then you can't say it also I've noticed multiple ingredients that you are using that are definitely not FDA-approved because they are known to irritate the skin and cause problems when put into soap

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Like what? Turmeric soap is pretty common. Have you seen whats in a bar of Dove?

[@Moonorchidwolf]

FDA doesn't regulate soaps, but to be honest I can't even find a proper ingredient list for this stuff. One ingredient is just labelled as "essential oils" without specifying what plants are included. Good job warning people of possible allergens...

[@rigure]

Sounds like it makes sense. I think soap can get rid of acne by totally dehydrating your skin, I have a "soap" against acne but they're very specific about only using it where it's _really_ needed, because it removes all oil. And what soap helps against dry skin? Soap CAUSES dry skin! I don't think _anyone_ is legally allowed to make claims without going through a whole process to prove it.

[@JolanderJ7234]

Love the ingredients. Looks great.

[@ethanletzer3507]

Tell that to Dr.Bronners 😂😂😂

[@birdsofvalhalla]

I don’t know how they get away with it.

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

Dr. Bronners most likely did studies proving certain things, or words in specific ways.

[@dervishy3722]

I feel like this is for independent soap sellers Because i used to and even still see bug soap brands say these things about their products

[@arctic6405]

They made all these claims without making those claims that's actually pretty clever they legal loophole this ad

[@AccomplishedBoot86]

Support small business by supporting ARTISTS. Not ai art. Nothing anarchist about corporations stealing true art for profit.

[@Youtubesocialenginnering]

Not as hard as cleaning artisinal soap residue from my sink so bad it clogs the lines

[@fatherhawke9713]

brother I don't really care, as long as it's under $2 a bar, I'll buy it

[@renfri5233]

This is so true. My relative has a natural product line and they're not allowed to say how it's helped with acne and psoriasis. Just that it's moisturizing and cleansing..

[@TheSarahskaninchen]

Well when you cant prove the rest then you cant. Rules are there to protect customers from getting scammed.

[@DearDrear]

You are such a hypocrite, using an AI 🤢

[@poggly]

hitting don't recommend channel immediately after the AI art + seeing the rude comments lol

[@CaosBoyCathian]

Love that you can’t misinform the public without being licensed and have assets that can be taken in a suit. It’s good. Single cat women making soap for minimum wage Lmao

[@fishpootz]

the skincare market is also increasingly oversaturated, considering the rise in sales and prices due to kids trying to be skincare influencers, so getting a brand to become popular is VERY difficult rn, especially with so many options, id researching the companies that people shop from the most, and researching socials to find trends in buying products

[@Sweety_fruit]

And from the FDA it’s very funny and ironic ..

[@bearsbeauty5007]

Same with skincare.

[@Chris_winthers]

What? You mean to tell me that there's laws against making untested medical claims? The horror!

[@emmy-0486]

Bro is the one complaining about making soap when bro was the one that chose to make soap? ☠️

[@4-2day54]

There is no way the turmeric doesnt stain your skin

[@kris5187]

not slating, but any third-party lab reports to share? might help

[@HafsaBahist]

No every rule should be followed. And not every illegal thing is bad😊

[@royalbiscuit2029]

"Our soap has to be FDA approved :(" "Our job is so hard :(" *using AI art* Big oof

[@didi-vu9fx]

In the us.... in the us... in the us...

[@stream-5star]

the design is soo cool omg,, haha i love anarchy bunny i need a bar for myself ❤

[@lydiaaman3116]

Yeah i tried writing a review on Amazon for a soap that really helps my excema on my hands that I've had for years that nothing else has helped with, Amazon won't let me post it because it contains "medical misinformation". Like i didn't say you should buy it it'll work, I just said that it's what works for ME

[@Viv008]

What soap is it? I'm wonderning what it smells like.

[@lydiaaman3116]

@@Viv008 it's by truremedy naturals, it's tea tree and peppermint body soap, they have it in bars but I use the bottle

[@Fonzop]

it's a very good thing you can not make unsupported medical claims lol

[@northboy7996]

Yea for realzzies

[@GuwJuice_PttP]

What if they’re supported not by direct testing of the product but by known facts about ingredients? That’s still illegal

[@maxkordon]

@@GuwJuice_PttPyes that’s good. It’s illegal and still gets taken advantage of, can you imagine the bullshit snake oil people would be selling if there was NO regulation on it?

[@adrianecheverri501]

Yeah ​@@GuwJuice_PttP, because knowing how an ingredient behaves on its own is not a good indicator of it'll behave on combination with others

[@sangwaraumo]

​@@GuwJuice_PttP The ingredients don't magically make soap be this or that. It depends on the amount of it. Also, FDA has this weird idea where you need to actually test your claims in order to make them. There are actually soaps that can claim to exfoliate, because get this, they made some trials and found out the soap actually exfoliates. Weird, right?

[@vinyllproductions9254]

Remember kids: the ai art they use in their marketting has no ability to be copyrighted, so steal away! Especially if theyre a company who can 100% hire an artist for like $100-200 every once in a while

[@daisiesforghosts]

Well yea you guys aren’t paying for extensive testing to prove these claims. So if you claim them then they are false advertisement. That’s an obvious thing.

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Right. So we don’t. But why are so many doing it

[@arcticfox037]

​​​@@birdsofvalhallaIf it classifies as a cosmetic, you can still use the word 'soap' in the product name, just has different rules when it comes to FDA regulation. If you also wanna advertise reducing eczema etc it can also be classified a drug, which has some other guidelines you need to follow. If you know it has these properties but don't tell the FDA, that might get you in trouble, though I'm not 100% how the laws in the US are; the above I got off of the FDA official site.

[@northboy7996]

@@birdsofvalhallabecause not every body lives in your country…. Its YOUR country that has these laws. Not everybody else’s whom also is on the internet lmao. Just because its illegal for YOU doesn’t make it Illegal for everybody else.

[@moonbeamstry5321]

​@@northboy7996thats a swing and a miss because the soap makers she's referring to breaking the law DO live in the same country with the same laws.🙄

[@bigfigpig776]

@@birdsofvalhallabecause that’s how the cookie crumbles. Sucks but life isn’t fair.

[@annielynn8730]

Upset you can’t falsely advertise? Oh no…..

[@yzma9959]

Tell me you know nothing about the topic without telling me. If she’s using well known and tested substances like carrot juice, you can easily find it’s average composition (or even look at the bottle you are using since very often it’s literally listed there) on pubmed (gov owned database with actual legit publications) and then search topical applications experiments on the very same site to see what it does to the skin What, you thought they were all making this up? It’s a public info and any accusation of false advertisement will be dismissed with an easy search.

[@MissCalaMari]

I think (?) though I'm not sure, she isn't upset that she can't make health claims about her soaps, but that competitors do so anyway. Which gives them an "unfair" advantage, as is always the case when some people play by the rules and others do not.

[@VonVikoGoat]

​@@MissCalaMariand no one is saying that she cant just reach out to the fda about the competition commiting what is technically a crime

[@Okaypions]

@@MissCalaMarithe competitors can do so because they have actual science behind it

[@MissCalaMari]

@@Okaypions Obviously I really hope so! But I think a lot of small business owners just bank on the fact that the FDA is hopelessly underfunded and understaffed and literal years can go by without ever hearing from them. Even high risk businesses (like pharmaceutical companies) only get inspected every two years... It's sad tbh

[@DelphineDenton]

Good. Because there are way too many companies that are making these kinds of claims and still getting away with it.

[@ZebraLuv]

The company can't make claims. But they also have no authority over what the customers claim.

[@artypyrec4186]

Imma check out some soap commercials because they just say "moisturize skin" benefits which is funny because your usually in a shower.

[@FlyingAnanas-337]

*So much wrong with this:* - calling the brand anarchy bunny and using AI art* - crying about struggling business and then flexing with " 500k annual revenue, 500k followers and 12 staff members " when confronted with criticism - rude behavior in comment section - putting not recommended ingredients in soap (turmeric stains everything, there's a reason it's not on the shelves at the supermarket) - crying about fda customer protection being too strict 😂❤ - in my opinion complaining like this is a sneaky way to advertise bc it comes off as " relatable" *whipping out 1 court case about ai art when confronted with criticism. Claiming it's not that unethical (even though ai obviously steals from artists duh)

[@Chelseabellsiee]

This

[@RealLukifer]

Man I can't wait to buy soap so that I can look like an unwashed caveman with stains all over

[@xylophone_888]

turmeric is also inflammatory to wayyy too many people, i don't know what audience they're aiming for with selling soap that makes your hands itch and turn orange for the next few days

[@HeterosexuaI]

explain to me how AI is antithetical to "anarchy". i doubt you can

[@VonVikoGoat]

​@@HeterosexuaIlet me explain this in a ooga booga language so you understand: AI exist, AI can has good use for hitting rock? yes, if AI hit rock am free to cave paint? yes... AI not used to hit rock, big man who controls the sun makes AI cavepaint instead, not good.

[@shoujophobic]

Discussing this, labelling your soap "anarchy" then using AI at the end absolutely ruins your argument. I would not support you.

[@katanaspice]

Ikr

[@strivingtoonedaybeuseful6049]

And you know it's AI for sure how? You know us graphics designers still exist right?

[@limeloe6507]

If you pause at the picture you can easily notice that it is not AI generated. Just look at the textural contrast in the image. Please take a careful look at something before immediately forming an opinion

[@kikiblue7169]

@@limeloe6507 they have already admitted it was AI in so many responses to comments, willful ignorance on your part. also they said they make half a million a year with 12 employees.

[@elixabeII]

​@@limeloe6507 Pausing at the picture, look at the flowers and leaves, there's noticeably an orange rose which blends into itself.

[@vibrantchill7212]

Good thing you can always change professions since it's so hard to follow regulations 🙄

[@birdsofvalhalla]

I am a soap maker that relies on content creation. Content creation only gets views when I tell a story. I have made over 8k videos as of today- have half a million followers and I will tell you, telling an engaging story, especially one that is a little controversial, is by far the recipe for success. Look around and see the soap videos where people just make soap and talk about it. They struggle. 97% go out of business. So, when you are here, with us, we understand that entertainment and dialogue is the basis of good content and success.

[@raven4442]

@@birdsofvalhalla It's not that what you said was controversial, it's that you don't understand international laws, think the U.S. regulations apply to everyone outside of the U.S., and are using AI art, which is putting millions of artists out of work, which is very hypocritical.

[@GOLD-gr8hg]

@@birdsofvalhalla hope you can be part of that 97%

[@Duolingo3450]

This video backfired so hard and i love it

[@Bruh-rg2wp]

hearing you talk about how hard it is to be on the market whilst actively using AI, which does the same thing to artists AND steals their original art is hypocrisy at it's finest.

[@zleepydude]

Litterary???

[@arsenypogosov7206]

How is it stilling? They are right there on the internet, no need for stilling. Real artist literally do the same thing but on a much slower pace.

[@C_Crow]

​​@@arsenypogosov7206 Just because art is available on the internet doesn't mean you can use it to earn money without the creators permission

[@CursedWithAGift]

@@arsenypogosov7206​​⁠ the implication that digital artists, or any artists that posts their art on the internet aren’t “real artists” is just dumb. Also, stealing* not stilling. And yes it is stealing. Just because something is posted on the internet, that doesn’t give anyone the right to take it and use it for purposes that us artists (the owners of these works) have already explicitly stated to be against, _especially_ not for profit and business purposes. They are using our works to train AI without our consent, which is already stealing on its own. And then they also use AI instead of hiring actual artists (like OP did), so it also steals work opportunities from us.

[@arsenypogosov7206]

@@CursedWithAGift Who said they are not real artists? Also you don't get to choose what people can and can not do with your work when you present it to them for free. Outside of plagiarism that is.

[@astralax]

Capitalist business appropriating anarchist imagery, tale as old as... well, at least the 60s

[@astralax]

@@birdsofvalhalla You absolutely may ask, and I'm delighted you did! Organising as a worker cooperative is one option. The business is collectively owned and self-managed by its workers. Decisions can be made either by direct worker democracy or by worker-elected management. This has worked for businesses ranging in size from my local dive bar (Krakatoa in Aberdeen, Scotland) to the multi-billion dollar Mondragon Corporation. There's a wealth of literature out there that I'd be happy to signpost if you're sincerely interested.

[@atlas8912]

seriously. it's just a tired ass trope at this point. mfs will slap the circle a on anything

[@astralax]

@@b.smirinova A couple of sites to start with: - blackcat 'dot' coop, for a primer on worker cooperatives - anarchy 'dot' works, for the general theory that underpins this way of thinking If you prefer to explore ideas via authors, try Murray Bookchin and Emma Goldman.

[@raven4442]

@@birdsofvalhalla Capitalism is absolutely not "our default", that's the same as claiming "Well, a dictatorship is our default". Our default is communal living and helping eachother, which was the way it was for hundreds of thousands of years until a small portion of people got very greedy.

[@maxkordon]

@@birdsofvalhallaooooooooooh I get it you’re a libertarian

[@cisrot]

Feeling icky about the use of AI art on a video talking about how hard it is to get by as a small business

[@rainbow_dust57]

Exactly, put me off from ever possibly buying from them

[@elliecasta1145]

The “ethical” mica did it for me. NO SUCH THING. No one cares enough though, but dont claim it either. There is NO MICA in the world that was mined ethically. This lady is just on a holier than though agenda of hers. And all these ingredients you can mix at home as a paste and wash it off afterwards and it would give the same effect. No reason why carrot juice and all that stuff would work more in soap form than as a paste.

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

@@rainbow_dust57they in a different comment went off about how they make 500k a year and have a million followers. They're not struggling

[@_DeadCake_]

This!

[@rebekahdavis8731]

Definitely. It was the cherry on top of her complaining about...god forbid...basic market regulations that keep people from making false claims about their products.

[@richardtickler8555]

Oh no the FDA bullies you? The FDA is there for a reason and im overall convinced its a good thing despute dealing with them a bit. Too much stuff went wrong in the past. Those regulations are written in blood

[@Chelseabellsiee]

This

[@mooselove]

The fda only makes rules once a ton of people are harmed. I will not purchase soap by someone using cheap bulk turmeric and commercial juice while boohooing about consumer protection

[@richardtickler8555]

@@mooselove the FDA also put relugations on what you can claim about a product because a lot of people got harmed

[@mooselove]

@@richardtickler8555 exactly. FDA isn’t perfect but I trust them more than this random company making soap (because it’s all about profit)

[@boitumelomalebo3326]

As a beauty Therapist I am glad they make it hard. Soap is alkaline, our skin is acidic. We need all products to follow rigorous standard test before you make claims.

[@LycanFerret]

How do you even get acidic body products if you're hyper sensitive to polyphenols? My skin can't touch coconut/olive/canola/avocado/soy oils, it can't touch vinegar, it can't touch fruit, it can't touch essential oils, shea butter, cocoa butter, etc. My skin gets huge rashes, I bloat, and I stop breathing. Even in soap or lotion or creams. The only thing I can use on my skin is lard(or tallow) soap. Just animal fat, lye, water.

[@rb2k196]

I understand it's frustrating but there's a good reason that the FDA regulates such terms, because people will abuse it and sell phony products otherwise. It's not meant to tie your hands behind your back, it's meant to protect consumers from unscrupulous sellers who would otherwise use the terms to prey on people. I totally get where your video is coming from but I think you should consider why such restrictions exist

[@sasharoper1282]

I dont think shes implying they shouldnt exist. Shes just struggling to sell soap beacuse other people with compromised ethics are making these claims and selling more soap because they are lying to people.

[@absolutamentenadie9690]

I didnt get that she believes restrictions are bad, but that many other people dont follow them which makes bussines harder if youre trying to follow the rules. But yeah, you're right about the importance of regulations

[@abigailskoda8958]

Really they need to start enforcing it more so it levels the playing ground for people who actually follow the rules.

[@Username0467]

Oh, you can claim those things; you just need to get it tested because you're making MEDICAL claims. Smh. People shouldn't be allowed to say bullshit without scientific backing.

[@berserkerkun9882]

your replies to all the valid comments about ai art really tell a lot about your character

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Things we do here; Make everything in the USA (very VERY few do at our size) Use ethical ingredients (Most buy the cheap stuff and don't bother) Pay a living wage in NY, a near impossible feat in this industry Hire artists, creators and craftspeople continually Donate to foundations for cancer, individuals struggling, raise funds for community Make our soap around people's allergies (again, extremely rare) Offer customs for people (rare af) Ship in 1-2 business days for $6 Have an actual real 4.9 star customer service review across all stores, across all time, as we care about our customers and stand by our products Engage with our customers instead of ignoring them like many creators Use food based ingredients, which cost more, with little to no mark up Understate the weights of our soaps so you get more than you think Give free products away with every order Use environmentally friendlier options whenever possible, like metal, glass, wood, rope, paper, recycled paper etc. Accommodate people with skin sensitivities and who are on the spectrum specifically Help other small businesses constantly in their journeys at no cost Make free content- now over 8k videos. Make all our packaging in house Use recycled materials for packing when we can Use up all our soap scraps in other soaps Donate and do giveaways constantly to those who can't afford our things Hire dozens of artists, including a nearly full time photographer Create a community where people belong and grow We REFUSE to sell based on insecurity, fear, false claims or by putting down other small soap makers. This is HUGE. Refuse to use Palm Oil because of it's destruction to animals, insects and the environment, despite it costing far more. Buy our supplies from OTHER ethical, USA based and small companies, instead of just on Alibaba like many. This is not a complete list.

[@dividedfox6161]

@@birdsofvalhallawhile that’s nice and all, you completely destroy that reputation by using and DEFENDING ai “art”.

[@one_smol_duck]

​@@dividedfox6161 tell me you live on the internet without telling me you live on the internet. You don't have to like AI art but please don't act like it's a social justice issue remotely comparable to real world problems. Especially when it's just being used as a tool by a small business that's otherwise doing a lot of good in the world.

[@dividedfox6161]

@@one_smol_duck it’s a direct threat to my and countless other peoples jobs. I’m most certainly not trying to compare it to more severe problems in our society, but I am also worried that I might lose my job because of it. In addition, ai art is getting frighteningly realistic, which, knowing people, could cause problems if individuals decided to use it to generate controversial or harmful images or text.

[@m0rkim00]

​@@birdsofvalhallawow. Trying to use you guys donating to different organizations to avoid criticism. If you're gonna donate, donate. Don't gloat about it and use it as a way to get out of taking accountability for your screw-ups.

[@Michela_Leo]

I'm so tired i heard "you just have no idea how difficult it is to sell soup" and for some reason I was like "yeah, sounds about right, you can't tell people it helps with acne, psoriasis and dry skin"

[@gianna526]

I'm so confused I thought that's what it was too...

[@CarbonatedCondensation]

I guess it depends on your definition of soup; does it have to be edible?

[@lizziewizzieOwO]

Im so tired i misread this comment as “you have no idea how difficult it is to sell soap” and thought: did i mishear the video?

[@gianna526]

@@lizziewizzieOwO I've been thinking about this for 2 days I think I'm still too tired too understand

[@Tenshi6Tantou6Rei]

@@CarbonatedCondensation I mean anything's edible if you're brave enough

[@qilin707]

Lost me at the AI generated image :/

[@kosakionodera1050]

Doesn't matter

[@AiSyYoo]

​@kosakionodera1050 it does when you're the one being stolen from. All my friend's work in deviantart had been used without her consent. For a decade she self-studied art because she can't afford the degree and made good money for art commission. But since the boom of AI she could barely feed herself. She then found out AI can recreate her art when someone told her they're "feeding" AI with HER art.

[@dbab-liftingjourney7351]

It’s fair game, sorry to say. Literally seems like one or two people got the top comment on the usage of AI art and now everyone is saying the exact same thing. It’s a business, not a moral contest. They are using RESOURCES at their disposal, and guess what? It works. There are tons of brands doing the same thing but hiding it better than they are…

[@MissCalaMari]

Unfortunately, this stuff is literally the way of the world. It’s the future and we cannot stop it. Portrait painters got replaced when photography became accessible, and I KNOW how improvements in animation and effects software has changed the animation industry. We now need less than half the amount of people to make a feature length animated movie than we did a few decades ago. Some jobs got eliminated completely, others “only” changed, while completely new ones sprung up - but it’s still less overall. As technology advances, industry changes. And I agree that it SUCKS and it feels bad when effort and labor get “easily” replaced by computers and automation. But I’m not sure this line of thinking (AI generated art is “bad”) is overall useful. I agree though that art should be licensed to some degree to be allowed to be used in training data.

[@rusthog]

@@AiSyYoo Ok? Sucks for I guess that she can't keep up but why do you want everyone else to bend a knee for some college dropouts who knew long before they decided to become artists that it wasn't going to work. Maybe people will finally stop trying to be artists as careers and get real jobs. No one cares about your friends art, every bit of art is scraped and trained on, it's not because she was above average or anything. The struggling artist trope has existed for hundreds of years, if you didn't realise that it was going to be hard and that tech was going to move forward then you're a fucking idiot. I guess your friend can relate to the painters who lost out when cameras were created, I'm sure they complained that "they took our jobs" and that they couldn't eat.

[@vwvqr]

The wording of this short is also potentially enough. You can't say your soap cures acne. You also can't say, hey, it's illegal for us to say our soap cures acne, so we aren't going t say it, but you can infer from context...

[@chase_birdeevogel4784]

Actually that is a real loophole that has been upheld in court multiple times in multiple different contexts. Just like you coming to the comments to say something that's objectively false about the legality of the situation while framing it as legal advice is technically perfectly legal (in terms of criminal law) but could potentially get you sued if it caused some kind of damage. So basically if it turns out to not be true and customers buy it and are disappointed then they could potentially sue but no criminal charges whatsoever can be filed because there's no criminal violation.

[@baybun9100]

Surely thats not ai art at the end right?

[@AugustSappho]

Unfortunately yes it is

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Look, i get the ai argument. But you should look up the court case. It’s not black and white. Also, did you not see the original art in the video? The artists? Or did you only see the one thing you disagree with?

[@AugustSappho]

@@birdsofvalhalla everyone in the comments was willing to agree with you until you flashed what is widely considered a symbol of capitalist exploitation of artists. The video would have done well without it and if you guys are artists you surely could have just done a simple doodle yourself. Its worse that another artist has used ai art. Major slap in the face. Im sure your arguments on the FDA are valid, very few people are of the opinion that the American government has people's best interests at heart but it feels wrong to ignore the use of ai art.

[@Birchlead]

@@birdsofvalhalla naw, not your attitude!!! When an entire industry of people say this is gutting their work, actively taking and profiting off of their hard work via scraping-- you maybe should listen. I just love that you think you have any grounds to stand on. All while complaining about regulations. Oh well; doesn’t that suck for you? Glad your comment section is in agreement here. Bad move, bad attitude. Not one person I know would buy from you because of the simple fact that you used AI. Oh; and that nasty air about you in these comments. Yuck.

[@jimmytesta1454]

​@@birdsofvalhallastop using ONE court case that doesn't mean shit especially if you are truly "anarchist" fucking hypocrite

[@Sonevertrue]

I love your brand but It feels a bit disappointing you use an AI image for your brand instead of commissioning an artist

[@birdsofvalhalla]

We do commission artists. All the time. Guess what we get half the time now? Ai from them. Ai has a bad rap but look deeper. There was a court case that found the theft claims unfounded and there just isn’t a budget to pay an artist at a living wage for a $15 temporary product. Also, we have* hired for soap art, we sell original art and our variety box was a collaboration between many artists.

[@chaoticnekomancer]

​@@birdsofvalhallaIf "artists" you commission deliver you AI slop when you wanted real art, find another artist!!! There are so many with massive portfolios and a clear stance against AI who would love to get commissioned! It's honestly just a bad look as an independent hand craft seller to see how they don't value other artists and contribute to the problem.

[@kikiblue7169]

@@birdsofvalhalla the case that isn't even settled yet? wow, you suck.

[@akaaayo2546]

​@@birdsofvalhallausing an unsettled court case as an argument is so "anarchist" of you 😂😂😂 SUCH HYPOCRITES

[@tinhead_junk]

@@birdsofvalhallaSome how you claim to make incredible profits but cant commission one artist for your end card- or even just reuse the logo stamped onto the soap

[@akaaayo2546]

Seriously?? Complaining about how hard it is to make soap, and calling yourself anarchy bunny WHILE USING AI ART?? The hypocrisy

[@hazelmint6671]

Excuse me, but I am genuinely confused. What is an anarchy bunny, and why are people so furious about this??

[@dinorawur]

⁠@@hazelmint6671im not going to explain anarchy as it takes a minute to google and it’ll tell you. but people are furious as using stolen ai art while claiming to be an “anarchy bunny” is straight up hypocrisy, for the fact anarchy goes against that.

[@mujtabarehman5255]

@@dinorawur "Stolen"

[@enbyennui]

"Here's why it's so hard to sell soap: waaaah the government won't let me lie to people waaah"

[@AugustSappho]

The AI art at the end put me off completely. Was interested, not anymore. Cant be anarchical and use that shit - like yeah nothing says stick it to the man than using the product of artists stolen efforts and not paying someone what they're owed.

[@DoinItForJohnny]

How do you know it's AI art?

[@AugustSappho]

Outside of the creators blatantly admitting to it in the comments major tells for ai art come from just taking a second to pay attention to what you're looking at more particularly the smaller deatils and you start to notice alot of visual mess that makes little to no sense. Pay attention to the bullets and the flowers and the explosion and try and follow their shape and you'll notice its all fudgy and weird and non consistent and sometimes an incomplete shape. Theres a video another wonderful artist posted that quickly shows you how to spot ai art. None of the strokes in it are deliberate. Let me find that video for you one mo. ​@@DoinItForJohnny

[@AugustSappho]

@@DoinItForJohnny its venonets video on ai art the thumbnail should be AI art of an asian man

[@abigailskoda8958]

I don't like AI art but the idea that someone's opinion on AI art has anything to do with wether they are an anarchist or not is ridiculous lol.

[@VonVikoGoat]

​@@abigailskoda8958anarchism (except the joke anarcho capitalism is) have the "workers should be allowed to enjoy themselves and indulge in arts crafts etc) AI is directly taking away from it by basically letting the robots do all the artistic stuff and putting people to work jobs AI could be doing. basically AI technology is being used tl screw over people

[@TyrannostarusRex]

You had me until the AI image at the end.

[@pep_king]

fr i was like 😦 don’t care anymore

[@WLxMusic]

you'll all be hypocrites in a few years when you'll be using AI in every product

[@musich1024]

How did you know it was AI? (i don't know a lot about AI)

[@miiim]

I was going to ask the same

[@graceswan4353]

​@@musich1024The main things that clue me in that its AI generated are: the bottom left pink flower has a weird blob on one of its petals, several of the "bullets" in the explosion are weird shapes, the gray thing in the top left corner doesn't make sense, the rabbits bottom teeth don't line up and also aren't shaped like rabbit teeth. Also they tried to defend their use of AI in a reply to another comment

[@nooneinparticular469]

You can totally advertise by saying that an ingredient you use has positive effects on certain conditions in studies. What you *can’t* say is that your soap treats those conditions. Because your soap has not been evaluated as a treatment.

[@ZebraLuv]

The company can't even say that much because that still falls under a medical claim even if it is true about the ingredient. However! The grocery store you sell your product to is not affiliated with your company and they can say whatever they want. The customers can say whatever they want. And because you never said it, it's fine for someone else to say it.

[@one_smol_duck]

​@@ZebraLuvunless you have morals and don't want people making claims about your product that aren't well researched and fact based

[@Just_A_Transperson]

I’m sure the fact that you are using AI art, which many people in the comments have stated is very off putting to them and makes them no longer interested in your soap, isn’t helping.

[@youslut]

Pouring a big brand JUICE mix into your formula and advertising it as "real carrots" is a wonderful example as to why the FDA exists 😅

[@youslut]

@@birdsofvalhalla Boathouse Farms blended juice drinks are not 100% carrots. That's a fucking INSANE thing to just say 😅 the benefits you claim that having carrots in your formula would produce does not come from that. Besides that .. How hard IS juicing carrots? It's not hard at all lmao. You can't even manage that. You don't even buy actual carrot puree or juice you buy a blended drink and throw it in. Also without any regard to the added ingredients of drinks like that. Women who use your soap should be cautioned not to let it even touch their vagina on the sugar content alone. Impossible standard?! HA! To get carrots and put them in a juicer? That shouldn't be hard for anyone on any day. Let alone a soap maker who advertises 100% carrot, or whatever. Local restaurant? My local restaurant does not sell me body soap made fruice juice and who literally knows what else and tell me it's real ingredients. I cannot fucking believe you told me it's 100% carrots omg 😂

[@youslut]

Ope they're deleting comments now.

[@Chelseabellsiee]

LMAOOO they are hurt

[@akaaayo2546]

​@@birdsofvalhalla It's not impossible to buy carrots and grind them yourself 😂

[@Whateverweather]

@@akaaayo2546probably a lot cheaper too, all you need is a grinder and a gaze to filter. They are so lazy I swear 😂. Lazy about the art, lazy about being intellectually honest, lazy about conducting double blind test to back their claims, lazy about selling their soap, lazy about understanding what is anarchism.

[@beepspeep108]

weirdly angry. it's entirely fair that not just anyone can make medial claims about any product they like as it could be misleading and dangerous. also stop with the ai images, you're profiting off of artist's unpaid work.

[@swamp6825]

The AI is disappointing. Proves you don’t want to support other creatives.

[@antihistamean]

Please don’t use AI, it’s a terrible look for any brand. Not difficult to pay a real artist to make some real art for you.

[@WLxMusic]

it is difficult, especially if it's that hard for them to sell soap. Donate some money if you want em to pay an artist like a 100 dollars for a detailed drawing like that. If not, shut up.

[@maxmusterman481]

Yeah tell that do everyone who got replaced by technology, it happened before and will always, artists have to adapt and not the other way around

[@MainAcc0]

@@WLxMusic I'd rather see no image than a dogwater nonsensical regurgitated AI one. Why even include it? Look at that image. Do you think it looks cool? If the art isn't worth paying for, it isn't worth being shown.

[@kikiblue7169]

@@WLxMusic they were bragging about making half a million a year on their soap so they are can for sure hire an artist.

[@file17462]

​@@WLxMusicthey replied to one of the top comments that they made 1 and a half million every year they can afford it

[@Til_What]

Almost like soap has one major selling point and not much more besides that, but let's pretend we're being forced to sell it short because we actually put essential oils and vitamins in our soap. That's what you sound like, just so you know.

[@crusty_emu]

Cool until AI art showed up. You cant be an anarchist if you steal from the backs of working artists with AI

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

@@birdsofvalhallaAs of a day ago the count case is not settled. You're making assumptions based on a non settled court case, acting as if the companies won. If you have other sources id love to see them. The major midjorney and Microsoft lawsuit IS NOT settled

[@user-hk3lv5hz1t]

​@@birdsofvalhalla what kind of anarchist would side with corporations rather than the people you bring shame to everyone who supports you

[@crusty_emu]

@@birdsofvalhalla siding with corporations is not an anarchist thing to do 🩷✨️🎀💞 artists didnt consent to having their work be used for AI 🩷🩷 simply dont support it and instead pay for an artist to draw something for you or draw it yourself. Art ain't that hard. 💞💞💞💞 Pick up a pencil!!! 🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷

[@LovveWilde]

​@@birdsofvalhalla you do recognize that our current justice system works for the wealthy, right?

[@LovveWilde]

​@@birdsofvalhalla Like how did you get to the point of even uttering the word anarchy without realizing that the court's stance on something doesn't mean that's what's right?

[@pinkusdean1178]

Cool till the AI and your further comments on the matter. Gotta love supporting something that is actively harming artists while also going on about how it's so hard to sell your form of art, hey atleast you're physical product can't be replaced with some words and a pool of artwork where no consent was given to have it in said pool ❤

[@antihistamean]

The fact that they claim to be artists themselves… you think they’d understand why it’s wrong :| all I see in the replies to the AI comments are excuses and lies. Super unfortunate

[@katanaspice]

I thought the same thing, as soon as I saw that AI I didn't care about their little rant anymore

[@MainAcc0]

@@katye2243 Car infrastructure and lobbyists absolutely harm trains though. Just compare european train lines to the much more car-centric US. Good job disproving your own argument

[@bigfigpig776]

Probably half her followers are bought AI

[@cleanserene6330]

She's not an anarchist,'s a capitalist, using social media to subvert advertising regulation claims. Some people would call that base behavior as unethical. But doesn't everyone do it? Ethical mica and real olive oil sound like good thing😮😮😊s, right? But I don't actually know what all is involved in that. Idk how I feel about the Everglades being sourced for commercial purposes, either. It's like drug companies going into the Amazon rain forest to find materials forvdtyĝ)

[@christinap.4745]

As an artist, the comment section here makes me so damn happy. Get 'em.

[@yasminjouili8239]

The AI generated artwork at the end 🤮

[@beastoftheblackwood5386]

I would’ve gotten some if you didn’t use ai stealing from artists aint it

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Ai was proven to not be stealing from artists in a court case last year. It’s come a long way. The only exception is if you put a particular artist in the prompts. We would never do that. We also do hire artists. See the stamp? Thats original art. By a human. The people? Those are people with jobs that create original art and are paid by the soap.

[@rentalmomma3997]

​@@birdsofvalhalla you could've just also paid an artist to make the background art. This doesn't leave a good impression on people. This is a given at this point.

[@NekoHime77]

​@birdsofvalhalla the way ai works is it takes things that already exist and makes things based on that it's not possible for an ai to make a wholly original piece of art

[@kikiblue7169]

@@birdsofvalhalla and owning people use to be legal as well, just cause it was deemed legal doesn't make it right.

[@VonVikoGoat]

​@@birdsofvalhallaif you're an anarchist you would understand the concept of legal≠moral

[@pep_king]

not the ai generated image ☠️

[@birdsofvalhalla]

We hire artists. I am an artist. The theft claim is unfounded in court. There is no budget for a $15 product- and we do pay for stock images and for artists where it counts in many of our products. When I can afford to and can find someone good, I hire.

[@beepspeep108]

don't care if you're an artist, you clearly don't respect the the artists who's work was fed into an algorithm to make free art for yourself.@@birdsofvalhalla

[@kikiblue7169]

@@birdsofvalhalla you claimed to make half a million, so why lie? either you are struggling or your not.

[@LovveWilde]

​​@@birdsofvalhalla How much further are you going to go out of your way to make it clear that the statements your company is making are lip service?

[@WLxMusic]

it looks so cool though. Why not appreciate how wacky it looks?

[@chaoticnekomancer]

Is that image AI generated? I hope not, because there's nothing more uplifting than to see independent sellers who sell handcrafted works also go out and pay other independent creatives selling their work (especially with the epidemic of soulless, mass produced garbage taking up so much space in the industry) ://

[@quesolunar]

The god damn Ai art....

[@BASIL_LEAV]

Wish you didn’t use ai art for your logo especially since you’re a small company yourself :/ you should be supporting people in the art industry we all got to be there for each other, you of all people should know how annoying it is to see giant companies sell bad products

[@birdsofvalhalla]

We do not use ai art for our logo. Our log was designed by myself and an artist in England several years ago. Much of our art, whenever we can afford it, is made by humans. For your own research, you might be interested in the court case that happened last year with ai and "art theft.'

[@BASIL_LEAV]

@@birdsofvalhalla sorry not your logo I meant the piece at the end of your video. Why I am saying it is disrespectful since you’re an independent creator/ artist is because I am currently trying to get into the entertainment industry to do animation for a living, I understand you can’t afford to do an art piece for every little thing, so what I don’t understand is why not use the art you and your friends actually made for the end of your videos instead of ones stolen from artists like yourself? While AI it may be “legal” it is still taking jobs from people, and doing a half assed attempt at it. While you may say “Oh legally it’s okay” but morally that doesn’t mean it is. The “art” you get is stolen, and they do not 99% of the time get permission from the artists they take from to train the bots and don’t ever give credit. Hell an artist I really liked known as Kim Jung Gi died unexpectedly in 2022, his art is AMAZING, most people in the industry know of him, and 3 days after his death a “fan” of his made an ai model off of his art work and asked for “credit” if someone was to use the bot. Didn’t even ask his grieving family if he could use the art for training the ai model so they had his death ON TOP of that to deal with since people were rightfully so, mad. If you are stealing and charging something that was made by another person’s hard work without permission it is unethical. Plain and simple. But soon AI will no longer be a problem since Glaze and Nightshade are coming out. Glaze changes your pixels in your art to the point the Ai thinks it’s another image and Nightshade literally breaks ai bots who try to scan any image without permission from the creator. So eventually everything will go back to normal but still.

[@CrackheadsAreGovermentDrones]

I found the shit artist that cant make better art then a robot😂

[@grimsyn8174]

Yikes not the AI art

[@menelik6635]

I very much believe that it's hard for you to sell soap. #1 reason being that's the least appealing soap I've heard of.

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Well, glad I make over 450 types of soap.

[@menelik6635]

@@birdsofvalhalla I can't count that high. Is that more than 12?

[@TheMenasaur]

Is the illustration at the end of this video AI-generated?

[@Mesruksi]

yeah, it looks like it is and the creator keeps defending ai “art” in the comments

[@TheMenasaur]

@@Mesruksi ughhh so disappointing. i was considering buying some soap but I cannot in good conscience buy a product that is advertised using AI art. This video complains about the industry being hard, and the hard work of entrepreneurs.... how can they talk about how hard it is to have a small business when they are benefiting from ripping off every artist whose work was stolen to train the ai model??

[@pineappleboy1468]

Please don't use AI art to market your products As a small business I'm sure you understand that that's harmful to other creators

[@marshallmicr0wave510]

ew that's ai

[@asev4640]

Concerned with the issues of a small business and using AI art is hypocrisy. If you want your craft to be respected, respect the craft of others.

[@chewycooking9013]

You had me until that shitty AI art at the end :/

[@SK-kn3ov]

That is my serious pet peeve right now!! Its every other soap video. Im not one for more regulations, but I wish someone would crack down on this more. I'd sell a thousand bars too if i claimed my soap would fix your xyz

[@birdsofvalhalla]

Right!!!??

[@a.g.7880]

She's a hypocrite using AI for all of her brandings. Take what she says with a massive grain of salt.

[@notfounderrornotfound]

I was interested in your product, then I saw AI art. NO THANKS. You have no morals

[@nooneinparticular469]

@@birdsofvalhalla You could just… not use art? No one is buying soap because of a picture of a heavily armed rabbit. You don’t want to buy art? Cool. Don’t use art.

[@miikaura]

​@@birdsofvalhallaif you cant pay for it, dont use it freak

[@beepspeep108]

if you cant afford the art, you can't have it. people like you seem to think art is a commodity that people shouldn't be paid for their time and effort in creating. you also claimed in another comment that you're an artist yourself. make your own art if you cant pay someone else, they should be paid a fair amount just as your employees should. being an anarchist to you seems to mean just being an arsehole. get it together.@@birdsofvalhalla

[@blakevannest5893]

@@beepspeep108or you could just pay a generator $5 a month…. Even better if it’s a new account, won’t even have to pay at all, just a free trial. Why is AI so bad? It makes it easier for those who can’t/don’t want to spend $500 on art, while being better than whatever most artists could create, and there will still be a market for physical art as AI gets more popular.

[@olivelilyzz]

​@@birdsofvalhallaart aint a commodity! its a privilege. im sure you dont mean harm but you shouldnt be using art if you cant even pay for it 🙁