Sens Trade Mathieu Joseph to the St. Louis Blues

On today's episode of The Senstennial Podcast, we recap the Ottawa Senators trading forward Mathieu Joseph and a 3rd round draft pick to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for future considerations. We discuss whether the trade made sense, why the Sens received nothing in return, and more!
This is the fifth part of a six-part 2024 Sens off-season special!
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[@timonincze]

My conspiracy theory is that Staios is a Detroit fan. Got rid of both players responsible for Larkin’s injury, and signs Zub-puncher Perron for $4m. In all seriousness though I wonder if maybe there was some sort of problem off the ice that wasn’t reported? Joseph was benched for an unspecified reason early in the season and that was never mentioned again. Could be it made him a prime target for being shipped out if Staios was unimpressed with him.

[@thesenstennial]

Fair point. Not sure about any off-ice stuff. Seems like the locker room really like him. Who really knows, though!

[@herbertgreenidge8675]

what return ?? give 3rd round pick to take him....still owe second round pick for CHYCRUN ..this guy makes Dorion look like a genius... anyone could make trades like this... and overpay Pinto

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Sens clearing cap and roster space?

[@thesenstennial]

If they had a reason behind it, they sure are taking their time to show Sens fans why 😅 But, hey... season doesn't start til October, so you never know what they're cooking up.

[@DoctorRevers]

Say it ain’t so. ;) Joseph and chychrun trades are Dorion level returns. Pretty surprising.

[@thesenstennial]

I thought they were clearing out cap for a larger Pinto extension. When he signed a lower AAV than anticipated, I was a little confused. Maybe Staios is still working on adding a couple FAs. We'll see!

[@daytonhh9698]

3 million In cap space is significantly more valuable. Players of his calibre don’t get 3 million

[@thesenstennial]

But the Sens are not using that $3mil in cap space on anyone to replace him. Otherwise the trade would make more sense. Off-season isn't over yet, though!

[@DGL-LDG]

The past few videos, yall have been complaining about the new FO’s. Nothing about this roster is safe after last year. We are a small market team why would we get any RD FAs to come here? Staois knew the only way was through a trade. Mathieu Joseph’s production fell off a cliff half way through the season. You guys are missing the trees for the forest, Staois wants 200ft CONSISTENT PLAYERS. He will trade the whole roster if they don’t produce. He doesn’t give a f* who he’s best friends with. There’s a reason he got sat last year. Also another reason would be is he are nearly a cap team, why would anybody trade for Joseph after the horrendous year this team had. You guys are overvaluing players, players like Joseph in the market can be found for $2mill. That cap space has better use for a 3rd pair RD.

[@isyArlo]

I only recently got back into the sens after a long hiatus but agree with a lot of what you’re saying. SS had to have known before July 1st that none of the top quality RDs on the market were coming. Another way of looking at it is, some serious over spending and a lot of contracts that are going to be brutal in the future. I thought it was the NBA for a second. Ya the cap went up but Ottawa can’t get involved in that sort of spending. He’s done ok in cleaning up Pierre’s D mistakes and giving the roster a new look for next year.

[@thesenstennial]

I get what you're saying. I think we've all come around on the signings (maybe Gregor aside... TBD) since we recorded these episodes about a week ago. He cooled off in the second half, but he was still a great defensive forward who logged good minutes on the PK. Worth $3mil? Maybe not. But trading a 3rd to get rid of him seems silly when he would still be an effective forward in the bottom 6. It's not like Staios has used that money towards any other bottom 6 free agency signings anyway. As for the whole RHD situation, you're likely right that they got the vibe that they wouldn't be able to sign any RHDs in free agency, but it still isn't the best asset management to trade your top trade piece (Chychrun) for a guy who's seven years older and just had a subpar season. Alas, we'll see what happens in October. Thanks for the comment!

[@DGL-LDG]

@@thesenstennial I just think we are so emotionally attached as fans that we overvalue our own players. The hardest handicap right now is that more than HALF the league is capped out. Unfortunately Joseph is a luxury most teams cant afford. We still have an entire offseason, I don’t think Staois is done. His patience is the reason we got Ullmark and I think it’s short sighted to say he won’t wait until the market has cooled off and FAs are desperate for a contract. His patience has seem to payed off and I’m more than happy to be in a wait and see mode. I’m happier we didn’t “win the offseason”, please go ahead and underestimate this team, but I think this roster has a chance to compete and be more balanced down the road.

[@thesenstennial]

I don't think we're underestimating the team. I moreso think that we're cautiously waiting until the team proves they can be successful in November/December. We all want the team to succeed!

[@DGL-LDG]

@@thesenstennial That’s why I’m so excited! We drafted some mean grit guys who can also skate! FO is getting revamped and developing players will be a much better and streamlined process. That’s why I don’t understand why fans are being so negative. For the first time in almost a decade, we have respected professionals running this club. I am pumped to be a sens fan this upcoming season!