Usury: the Science of Shylock

[@ChristianSaintSavior]

This is a topic which rarely gets brought up in the Catholic Church today. An insightful homily. GOD bless!

[@alanbolton7803]

Nothing of value is brought up in most churches, in the west specifically.

[@Arigato0]

Usury is one the biggest evils in our world today we Muslims are with you in this fight

[@JAHTrekON]

The prohibition of usury is reaffirmed in Islam.

[@godemperorletoatreidesii6971]

They benefited greatly from the banking practices so no surprise there

[@KitchenAhoy]

Allah has forbidden interest and warned of SEVERE punishment in the life to come after death.

[@sandile84]

I take back what I said about teaching Shakespeare in schools. This play must 100% be taught in schools.

[@nickc6570]

That's kinda the problem, they don't actually want you to learn things like this

[@whitespacemarines4308]

AMEN!!

[@widehotep9257]

Shakespeare is too long-winded and confusing for the average teenager. The evils of banking can be summarized in a few paragraphs.

[@michele-33]

@@widehotep9257 There are books not as long as the author known as Shakespeare, rewritten to be more easily understood. The purpose of Rockefeller created public school system was to dumb down kids starting at a young age, keeping them children for as long as possible. Not long ago many 'teens' spoke several languages, etc. 'Teen' is a relatively new thing. People were adults or children. Apologies for poorly written msg. I have 4 kittens climbing over me at the moment :) Ps: The Pharisees and Sadducees were against Jesus for His teaching on the sin of usury... Among other things... flipping tables of money changers at the house of God wasn't received well. God bless

[@skp8748]

@@widehotep9257 Shakespeare's is not long winded at all... It's essential reading for anyone living or wanting to understand the western world.

[@jim-baron]

If the Church would be loud and clear on this teaching again, so much misery could be avoided.

[@martist911wasits-not-real4]

The church has been co-opted and infiltrated by them many many years ago. Martin Luther knew.

[@Sonofthe1655]

The church don't want you to know they'd loose out on the con why else do you suppose your called a denomination in a religion you are there currency.

[@KB8Killa]

​@@Sonofthe1655well said

[@rodoquinn]

The catholic church is just as involved in usury as the Jewish community. Don't cast stones when dwelling in a glass house.

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

Western churches have been corrupted by “them” for a long long time. Russian orthodox doesn’t play these games. They had their fill throughout the last couple centuries…

[@AnnointedGamer]

Teach a man to farm he can eat for the season, teach a man to want, then the banks eat forever.

[@chetatkins6008]

Unless you're one of the exempted group and can get a heter iska loan...

[@louisroth5941]

This is where it all started. “Selling your soul” really means to take out a debt, because you indebting yourself to someone therefore becoming their minion.

[@apitterson17]

Very interesting

[@mk00012]

@@apitterson17 “The borrower is a slave to the lender” (Proverbs 22:7)

[@Castropher]

You're not selling your soul if it done out of necessity. In order to afford a place to live, we take out loans on interest. In order to work you need to pull out a loan to afford a car so you can get to work, because walking is not a legitimate option. It is the lenders who are selling their souls for profit.

[@louisroth5941]

@@Castropher The existence of a system is not proof that it should be so.

[@syedqadri4467]

@@Castropher it’s not the everyday people like yourself that are victims of this usury’s system that are the problem. It’s the system.

[@alisalbulushi]

No wonder they have been kicked out 109 times...

[@Keys879]

They know!

[@firstlast2386]

oy vey

[@Murray_Rothbard]

SHUT IT DOWN GOLDSTEIN!

[@saltinodavito2135]

​@@Murray_Rothbardyou people have such a childish sense of humor

[@JESUSCHRISTISTHEKINGOFKINGS]

​@@saltinodavito2135 No one is joking, Moshe.

[@abridealdipratama6861]

Protect Father from rothchild banker.

[@JohnnyNada]

Amen

[@bruhmomentchi]

Amem to that

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

no one lives forever

[@-Swamp_Donkey-]

“Jew god, protect me from jew”

[@MeanwhileinFlorida24]

​@@Model3GenerativeANdroid says the atheist. I look at death like changing clothes.

[@KenDelloSandro7565]

Dante put usurors and sodomites in the same level of hell. Sodomites take that which is fruitful, sex,and makes it steral. Usurors take that which is steral,money, and make it fruitful. Dante definitely had some Devine insight.

[@sarahsoapovich526]

*sterile. GRAMMATIK MACHT FREI

[@svaneska]

*Divine

[@sweetcaroline2060]

Thank you, Ken. I get what you're saying. Sorry for the rude people here.🙏

[@maplebear6527]

@@Tearsofsoil Nobody is having more fun than us

[@louisalevine3711]

It s not rude to correct spelling errors. It does not HAVE to be done, we all understand what is being said, but when someone makes a correction, it's not rude.@@sweetcaroline2060

[@santiago321lat]

The focus on interest detracts from the fact that banks do not lend you their money or depositor's money. Banks lend you your money by monetizing your future labor. The bank brings almost nothing to the table other the clerical task of carrying out and recording the transaction.

[@firstlast2386]

Well said

[@GerNiels]

Banks create the money they lend you out of thin air. It is literally just an accounting trick.

[@GerNiels]

We dont even need banks, the government can do the same job at no cost to society.

[@timmy-wj2hc]

​@@GerNielsPrecisely. Even the US constitution gives the power only to the government to print money. The Federal Reserve is a private institution that is anticonstitutional.

[@mmc5261]

Yet the dragon lives

[@livinginahotdog1563]

Back in the day it made sense: money is labour in physical form. You work something, you get some money. Making money by using the fact you already have money went against everything. Look nowadays where we are

[@ryanluna7322]

To some degree it's reasonable tbh stocks and investment seem better than taxes. Way money works a dollar today buys what 2 tomorrow does, and join business profits ect u put in 5 they put in 10 u make 150 u get 50 they get 100 main problem is taxes and odd inflation/deflation set to pull ur money and devalue ur property , giving loans when money has no value, asking for repayment when it's worth allot basically giving u nothing and wanting allot, or using others ideas to benefit urself when not intent, but is way it works, taxation is theft, rest is business deals that tbh u almost gotta blame both parties for, like people accepting low pay then complaining can't afford bills as tho they couldnt figure the math, of u submit urself to role of sheep, ull always get taxed by the wolves, so its more or less a inevitability, if happends so much in history, got fixed and repeated, itll always be like that, problem is its pretty sheepish to tell a sheep , not to be a sheep, wolves wouldnt do that i dont think, less productive.

[@aunch3]

Exactly. Making money without actually contributing anything to society

@@aunch3 nothing major gets built without construction loans. JP Morgan even takes out loans. They put iron workers to work, all facets of letting these guys earn a living. Loans at a high vigorish, loan shark principles, etc can be bad. Loans are necessary. The keyboard you are typing on is from a company that took a loan at one point.

[@neoneherefrom5836]

then either make more money or learn to live with less of it no one is forcing you to take out loans

[@Aliksander54]

Renting (living space, business space, or even objects such as a car or tool) is also labor in physical form, which you can use (loan) to get more of the same thing (make money on rentals, then buy more of the same thing to rent more of it to more people). Is this also evil? Is all rental evil? If not, what differentiates this from the rental of money (essentially what a loan is)? Note: this is an honest question, seeking to understand the mindset.

[@phoneticau]

this story needs to be told far and wide

[@Jenab7]

Usury should be a capital crime, with offenders invariably executed and any illicit gains found in his estate confiscated prior to allowing the usurer's heirs to peck over the leavings, if, indeed, there are any.

[@jamesmcelroy5830]

Yes. That and war profiteering as well.

[@UnnamedPodcast_Uprising]

​@@jamesmcelroy5830 Without usury the war profiteering you speak of is impossible because as a natural human behaviour war is high risk, high reward, whereas good trade is low risk, low reward (in comparison). Without usury humanity would almost certainly opt for a sustainable system of low risk, low reward trade over this current system of high risk, high reward war.

[@EdwardCostigan]

You’re getting a little anti-semitic there bud

[@UnnamedPodcast_Uprising]

@@EdwardCostigan 😅

[@Jenab7]

@@EdwardCostigan Of course!

[@seallustrator]

This priest speak in conviction. Very powerful

[@omp365]

its the number one shame on earth that so few people realise how much energy/value is syphoned off by the bank/fiat system.. or in other words, so few people understand how good the world could be if we took the interest off money.

[@wills242]

Absolutely! People clearly can’t see that A to Z reduction in value and don’t understand how robbed they are by the practices. There’d be worldwide riots if it weren’t for the fact that so many themselves feel compromised/guilty by now. The crimes of the masses however are negligible compared to the crimes of the professional user.

[@anotherhairlessapewithanop7455]

@@wills242Most people I try to talk about it, just give a response somewhere along the lines of "it's just the way it is"

[@danielgummer9273]

Everything we buy today I s costing us TWICE as much as it should if we didn’t have a debt based money system - End Usury !

[@bruhmomentchi]

@@anotherhairlessapewithanop7455same here where i live “ well the world works this way i have to adapt “

[@canibezeroun1988]

... But my pension! My retirement!

[@tmmmedia731]

Finally someone who isn’t constantly pandering to those horrible people

[@elkeb9344]

Amem! Thank you father, God bless you.

[@curiosityC]

Videos like this suddenly appears in my flow. Seems like youtube changed its algorithm.

[@jamesmcelroy5830]

It’s too late. Shylock owns and controls everything now.

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

bow down ye to money 💰💰💰

[@Dominic_Amoe]

Oy vey

[@briankFF247]

Property Taxes sound like usury to me. Any thoughts from anyone else?

[@KEP1983]

bpkoch I live in NJ in a poor area and pay $12,000/year in property tax. People in the ghetto here are forced to pay $8,000+/year in property taxes. It's completely evil.

[@GreenKnight1979]

Property taxes are theft. It's an involuntary payment made through coercion under the pretense of providing you with services, even though you don't want those services or could get them elsewhere privately.

[@briankFF247]

Here in Texas, the tax rates don't go up, but the appraisal districts jack up the land and home values, and that makes the taxes go up. In reality, no matter how much you pay, you really never own your land. I agree, it is pure evil.

[@sue-by7sh]

School taxes are usury for people with no kids.

[@briankFF247]

sue200012 or if you homeschool

[@user-nj9nl5uy6d]

This is so interesting. As Muslims we scrupulously avoid interest. You can either lend money with no interest (as a righteous deed), or co-invest with the one who needs money and then share in profits and losses.

[@serhatkariparduc8962]

@HalideHelix Correct.

[@toddwarner1892]

Funny enough the entire Middle East would be worse than Africa if you didn’t have oil… Learn to produce something before you speak.

[@dbyspae122]

Funny how Allah forgot to mention to Muhammad that it’s bad to marry children.

[@johnbuck9701]

But is usury permitted for Muslims who loan to non muslisms?

[@thefrontlinetv]

Father is such a fantastic priest. Rock-solid :)

[@angelmeyers1455]

Why do Catholics call priests "father" when Jesus clearly says "call no man father..."?

[@claylippert7203]

Angel Meyers I guess I’ll call my father “Matt”.

[@mariemiller8740]

Angel Myers Abraham was called father, there are more in bible I wrote them out for a woman but can’t remember them all check out themostholyfamilymonastery and they have a video on this and on justification by faith alone

[@sweetcaroline2060]

@@angelmeyers1455 Why do non-Catholics even watch our videos? I would no more watch Protestant videos than watch CNN. I prefer the WHOLE truth.

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

My gifts to you all: _And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent._ - John 17:3. _"And mention in the Book about Mary when she withdrew from her family to an eastern place.” “So she took a veil (to screen herself) apart from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit (Holy Spirit) that presented himself to her a perfect man.”_ _“She said: ‘Verily I take refuge in the Beneficent (Allah) from you! if you are God-fearing.” “He (the angel) said: ‘Verily I am only a messenger of your Lord that I bestow on you a pure son’.” “She said: ‘How shall there be for me a son while no man has touched me, neither have I been unchaste.”_ _“He said: ‘So (it will be)’. Your Lord says: ‘It is easy for Me, and that We will make him a Sign (miracle) unto the people and a Mercy from Us, and it is a matter decreed. “So she conceived him (Jesus) and withdrew with him to a distance place.” “And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said: ‘Would I had died ere this, and had been a thing forgotten’.”_ _“Then (a voice) called out unto her from beneath her: ‘Grieve not! Verily your Lord has made a stream to flow beneath you’.” “And shake the trunk of the palm-tree towards yourself. It will drop on you fresh ripe dates.” “So eat and drink and refresh your eye; and if you meet any mortal, say: ‘Verily I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent (God), so never shall I speak today with any human being’.”_ _"Then she brought the child to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘Verily you have done a very indecent thing’.” “O sister of Aaron! Your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman.”_ _“Then Mary pointed to him. They said: ‘How shall we speak to one who is (yet) a child in the cradle?’” “He (miraculously) said: ‘Verily I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet’.”_ _"And He has made me blessed wherever I may be and He has enjoined on me prayer and almsgiving so long as I live.”_ _“And (He has made me) kind to my mother, and He has not made me arrogant unblessed.”_ _"And peace be on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive.”_ _"This is Jesus, son of Mary, a statement of truth, concerning which they doubt.”_ _"It is not befitting to Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He only says unto it: ‘Be’, and it is.”_ Holy Qur'an - Surah Maryam (Chapter Mary) 19 : ayat 16 to 34.

[@bjklein444]

Interesting to hear. Most haven't been taught the problems of debt slavery.

[@dawnmelton3013]

Leviticus 25:37 You shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit.

[@Stowitx]

Excellent video must be required watching for everyone. Our financial system is usurious. 11:36 Read up amortization schedule.

[@DANVIIL]

Outstanding sermon! Unless the Church speaks out strongly on the horrible sin of Usury, our civilization will be destroyed, so why the timidity?

[@esekay3648]

This is the music industry's entire model...usury... This is what Kanye is talking about and this is what kyrie is experiencing...

[@aunch3]

It’s why Kanye lost 2 billion overnight, was threatened by his “trainer”, and is now labeled crazy

[@esekay3648]

@aunch3 its why yt sinsirs comments...

@@aunch3 kamala lost a billion good thing she isn't president hahahah

[@Kenzofeis]

There is a tale about the inventor of the chess game that he presented it to a king that wanted it and asked the price. The inventor said "Oh, for all the the squares on the board, one grain of wheat the first year for the first square, two grains the next year for the second square, four grains the next year, and so on until the last square?" The king thought of this as a bargain and as foolishness of the inventor, and agreed. After only a few years there was not enough wheat to pay for it.

[@vaughanlloydjones3884]

He wasn't the inventor of the chess game. He was a peasant representative of a starving village who the king refused aid. It's about the normal exponential function. The villager won the chess game and became owner of that kingdoms grain stock.

[@Kenzofeis]

@@vaughanlloydjones3884 Then there are two tales

[@Mr196710]

@@vaughanlloydjones3884 I read where the king just had him slayed.

[@siraaaj3464]

Billions must watch!

[@ThePhilosophicalINFP]

Thank you for speaking out on this. So many other evils have come about via the silence of this terrible perversion. Dante put the usurers and sodomites in the same circle of hell for good reason--they both rub two things together mimicking a union that should produce something substantial but which produces only vanity.

[@balrog262]

Eww.

[@elizabethmitchell2963]

Well said! 🤔👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@firstlast2386]

😂😂

[@zyarchive]

“Sodomy takes that which is fertile and renders it sterile, Usury takes that which is sterile and renders it fertile.”

[@Rudimentary007]

BINGO!!

[@derrickmcadoo3804]

I highly respect the references here, from both Biblical AND other historical figures (such as kings and philosophers).

[@myangelwings45]

Thank you Father, however the Canadian Government charges 5% compound interest on money owed to them. Pray for me for I can't repay Them.

[@insidesomebigbox8587]

"Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's". Since you owe money, pay it back (in installments if you can), and then refrain from usury and educate others to refrain from it.

[@zeeek1]

From 1938 to 1974 Canada's Publicly owned banks created our infrastructure by loaning the Federal, Provincial and Municipal governments loans at 0-1% interest. The 1% was fed back into the system to help stabilize inflation or pay for social programs. We paid our war debt in record time compared to the rest of the world. Since 1974, P.E.T signed over our right to issue our own currency to the BIS and IMF. Since then, we paid 3% interest on these loans to international bankers, today it's up to 6%!!! OF COMPOUND INTEREST. We have never paid a dime back of the principal since and this is where the majority of our deficits come from. Now, Justin wants to run up the credit card and finish us all off.

[@sweetcaroline2060]

@@zeeek1 That's the plan. To cripple the economy. Biden is well on the way. Makes it easier to abolish private property.

[@saltinodavito2135]

​@@sweetcaroline2060ahh yes the evil capitalist plan to abolish private property

[@cobanus2862]

Some are forced into it and it’s final days everyone must be in debt to just eat then population collapse and war. It will destroy humanity

[@StarCityFAME]

This works great if we back it up with the parable about the talents.

[@dulynoted2427]

One thing all religions should agree with, is the evil of money and the corruption in government deciding legislation in favor of corporations over ALL people’s rights to clean air, water and earth that bares our food.

[@-Swamp_Donkey-]

Jews aren’t a religion, they’re a race

[@JohnChrysostom101]

Money isn't evil the love of money is evil and usury is a sin sound money doesn't come from debt either

[@declineofthewest.]

@@JohnChrysostom101duly noted

[@jimsteele2072]

The rothchild is the shyloks shylok.

[@nate882]

don't forget the hoare family

[@honesty_provides_tranquility]

Via the IBS

[@MeanwhileinFlorida24]

​@@nate882ill look that up

[@MeanwhileinFlorida24]

Imagine how great our economy would be if you got a house loan with 0 interest, instead of paying 200k for a house with a 100k price tag then that extra 100k goes back into the economy.

[@MrJonblundmusic]

It is a wonder why they have been kicked out a 109 times you say!!!

[@jamesdarnell1944]

YT will take this algorithm gem down for sure- thanks tho keep it coming

[@truthhurtsdoesntit4099]

We have all been converted to Judaism through the use of money.

[@nawmsayin8017]

/facepalms

[@Bluuplanet]

The speaker's biblical references are found in the old testament....the Jewish bible.

[@captainmorgan757]

@@Bluuplanet yes, the Old Testament is credited to Jews (God's formally chosen people. That all changed with the advent of the long awaited Messiah; Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ). For the faithful, the Old Testament is divinely inspired. Even if God chose a poor sinner to take pen-in-hand to write His divine word. If God would only use those whom are without sin to write His holy writings, that would make for an excruciatingly limited pool of individuals. King David was no exception to being sinful, but yet God chose King David to write the book of Psalms. *Any* book of Sacred Scripture (New or Old Testament) was divinely inspired, but written with sinful hands. I think I may have strayed a bit of course, but I hope that you understand the jist of my words. God bless you!

[@JGAstaiza]

The prohibition of charging interests to the poor is a Jewish Law from Torah, which Jesus, a well known Jewish Rabbi, with a Jewish mother and Jewish followers, descendent from the Jewish King David, said we must follow.

[@XavierIsraelMatamoros]

I think you mean Talmudism

[@desertrat1111]

Very good advice, as usual. But, the only question I have is without allowing the lender a small profit, what incentive does he or she have to lend?

[@chefEmersonWilliams]

EXACTLY!

[@harrydaniel6699]

The incentive is just being good at heart, you shouldn’t lend money and expect to make a living off that. Simple, it might keep the economy small but it insures that REAL wealth is being produced

[@aquagorilla]

I think you meant to say “lender” and “lend” instead of “borrower” and “borrow” i.e. what incentive does the lender (issuer) of the loan (money) have if they are not to receive any interest i.e. excess on the loan amount in return? The answer to that revolves around undertanding the difference between a monetary loan contract and other forms of contracts. With a monetary loan contract that charges interest, the interest is being gained strictly from the issuance of the money. There is no investment, risk sharing, or concern with whatever endeavor the borrower will undertake to earn back the principle AND the interest. Note that money is being lent - not a pair of oxen to plow land, or a drill to dig a well - but money, a representation of value used to facilitate exchange of goods/services. Therein lies the unnatural, sinful, parasitic aspect of usury. Money doesn’t beget money. We shouldnt’t forget that all wealth ultimately comes as provision from God, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Rather than charge interest on a monetary loan, a lender can instead provide the loan amount as an investment into whatever endeavor the borrower will undertake to generate wealth that (hopefully) will provide in return to the lender an amount greater than the initial investment amount (positive ROI). Thereby, the lender makes gain not strictly upon the issuance of the money, but as shareholder of the wealth-generating endeavor. As such, the lender is also assuming risk beyond just the monetary the loan. Usury is an abomination of Satan. Christendom reached its greatest heights of material success AND moral purity by recognizing usury for the evil, sinful abomination that it is and rightfully prohibiting it.

[@desertrat1111]

@@aquagorilla Correct, my mistake

[@desertrat1111]

@@aquagorilla Correction has been made, thanks

[@btjohne]

Ty so much for this teaching.

[@paulbany6603]

Thank you Father!

[@Car1Sagan]

I wish I could deal with Christian lenders. I have been hit with hard times, making mortgage payments have become difficult, and I am dangerously near forclosure.

[@sweetcaroline2060]

I'm sorry to hear that, Silver Slingblade. I hope you end up okay.

[@GalacticTradingPost]

@@sweetcaroline2060 no chance. any attempt at refinance now would result in higher interest. and homes have spiked since covid.

[@AngelsGlow-ct5xc]

Claiming interest is unnatural

[@lizziebazel2194]

I work in a place that we must “sell” loans, is it sinful to work there? It is credit card company and this is one of the missions there.. I’m confused

[@bobsmith-ff8co]

Talk to a good, orthodox priest. Sometimes this channel can be a little too extreme.

[@Arigato0]

It is definitely impermissible to work there as interest is the same level as murder, it is in fact a declaration of war on God

[@jaysilva5854]

It's a credit card company. They make millions on interest how is it not sin. Still it's more of a sin not to pay your debts.

[@Keys879]

Yes it is. I hope you don't still work there.

[@elizabethmitchell2963]

Once you know better, you can do better… There are many debt consolidation companies that help people pay off their debts and clean up their credit. Peace be with you!

[@AbdulQadir-vl4bz]

9:44 "even Muslims have always condemn usury" The true fact is that Islam goes even to further extend of defining the use of usury as one of the gravest sins where the Lord God declares war on the ones involved in usury. Islam holds equally guilty the one who lends the one who borrows and even the ones who witness such transaction, in real life the bank, the bank employ that signs on the application and the consumer, ALL EQUALLY GUILTY!!!

[@danielpuleio6438]

Abdul Qadir peace be with you

[@Arigato0]

Peace to those who follow the guidence

[@sandrashane677]

We should all close our bank accounts so we are not complicit in this crime against humanity

[@nafisanwari6288]

@@sandrashane677 You can keep money in the bank, but it should not have any interest. So just use Current account, not Savings account. And in the event that you gain any unintended interests, donate that amount of money to the poor and ask for forgiveness from Allah (swt)

[@MilesKiloYEG]

​@@sandrashane677 get some Bitcoin

[@hinkhall5291]

*Jewish character named Shylock.* 😂😂😂

[@franklogrim8510]

This is excellent 👌🎉 thx father!

[@marcihf9763]

I know several people who have had to file bankruptcy due to money loan places. I have tried explaining how they are thieves but it goes in one ear and out the other. They want the money right then and there instead of making sacrifices a few months and saving. :/

[@lakevacm]

Does the Vatican owe any interest bearing loans?

[@rosesprog1722]

Userers charge interests, what do you call those who pay it?

[@yaboyay04]

Debt slaves

[@zachis33]

Mammon is a demon that aims to suffocate both the borrower and the lender.

[@Floridajitler]

I love this comment section fr

[@dynishaabreu4544]

What is the difference between investment and lending of money. If I lend money in a company in return of profit....is that usury or investment?

[@oddassembler]

Risk is the difference. You risk not getting your money back if the company does not create more value. Interest is zero risk, all reward, and so money is being created out of thin air, and so the value of over all money decreases = inflation.

[@flammenwaffenfries3039]

The gentiles know.

[@Chikithulu]

pfp checks out. NASA-T is growing sloppy

[@andystitt3887]

Would investing in the stock market be usury?

[@RustyShakleford-i2j]

Grey degree of usery

[@andystitt3887]

@@RustyShakleford-i2j Elaborate?

[@tylersingleton9284]

Yes it is still usury, or at the very least still just as evil. The buying and selling of share ownership is nothing more than the buying and selling rights to a userous lending position.

[@Theophan123]

Not technically usury, but it still partakes in the predatory nature of capitalism by earning profit off something that you never put your labor to. btw I'm not Communist, the solution here is Third Position systems such as Distributism where capital is widely distributed among the workers

[@Aziz_khan77]

No it is not because there is risk of losing the money but in usury the person never loses anything because u put something at stake for the money.....if ur unable to pay then ur property gets confiscated

[@Aliksander54]

I have now watched a few videos trying to understand usury and all I keep understanding is that somehow renting money is considered different from renting any other property. Someone please point me to an explanation that really differentiates how usury is distinct and what makes it evil.

[@Tahmas_01]

The idea of how it should work is a non profit system. Where everyone puts their money in a bank collectively and can borrow from it when needed. Today its a group of people that make money off that collective pot of money that really isn't their money.

[@Aliksander54]

@@Tahmas_01 OK, but how is 'need' determined? How do you prioritize who gets to borrow, how much they can borrow, for how long, and for what purposes? Do they pay interest, and, if so, how much? I am not defending the current banking system mind you, but banks in the past used to work differently and still made money through loans (what one may call usury), even local community banks similar to the ones you describe. So again, I am asking specifically, what makes loaning money with interest evil?

[@Tahmas_01]

​@Aliksander54 i dont claim to have the answers but amortized loans are designed to keep you making interest payments for as long as possible. We wouldn't have 30yr loans for houses and 8yr loans on cars. The turnover would be a lot quicker if you wasn't paying 2 to 3 times more than what you actually borrowed

[@Tahmas_01]

There would still have to be some fees paid to run the bank but it would be a fraction of what we pay now. So tech it would be completely free but you would benefit from it instead of giving up half your income like we do in this system.

[@JohnChrysostom101]

@Tahmas_01 big noses like the charactor get interest free loans

[@Steve-ft2oo]

From the Parable of the Talents: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the bankers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:27-30). If charging interest were not legitimate, why would Jesus have used the example of money-lending as a legitimate way to increase capital? Why would He have attributed to God such words of condemnation for not having lent at interest? If the Vatican collects interest from bonds, isn't hypocritical to condemn money lending? They are two sides of the same coin.

[@chefEmersonWilliams]

Yes. THIS.

[@Papa-db9me]

Jesus is saying if the servant believes his master to be evil, then the servant should have at least used evil means to complete his mission. Instead the servant did nothing. That is not a justification for usury, but shows further that usury is viewed as evil

[@franciscanstudent]

​@@Papa-db9me The servant is nowhere said by Christ to believe that the master is evil.

[@CatholicK5357]

I have a question. Is retirement investing, such as Registered Retirement Savings Plans, then also considered usury? And if so, then what can the working class do as an alternative to be able to provide for his family without falling into sin? Or is retirement investment considered different because the interest is based on money being used rather than simply lent?

[@widehotep9257]

Receiving any amount of interest is sin. I am guilty, too, because the escrow account at my credit union pays me a few dollars of interest.

[@CatholicK5357]

@@widehotep9257 I'm not so sure. In looking into it further, think Catholic Answers gives a pretty convincing answer as to why receiving interest today is not the same as it was based on the difference in how money works in our current economy. If it were sin it could only be venial. The Church has to allow for a way for the average working man to provide for his family which includes savings. The problem is that without being able to have interest in a system that relies on inflation, no one could save any money. I am not saying that the current system is good, and obviously it was not designed by Catholics. But if remaining in the world we do have to use the worlds tools. Earning interest on savings is also different than earning it on a loan. The bank is taking your money and investing it into businesses. That puts your money at risk. The interest is from profit which is a reward for the risk, since one can also lose the money invested. I think the bigger issue is in knowing where the money is being invested, since most companies are evil. Gratefully, the Knights of Columbus now has a few ETFs for Catholic approved companies. I think that insurance is also a sinless investment because it is investing into other peoples security, making sure their families are taken care of if something happens to them.

[@widehotep9257]

@@CatholicK5357 Modern Catholic leadership now allows paying and receiving interest. But for the first 1500 years of the church, this was completely forbidden. Charging any amount of interest was considered a high crime, similar to murder and armed robbery. Usury was forbidden because of clear commandments by God in the Old Testament, as well as Jesus telling us to loan freely and forgive loans that cannot be repaid. The change started in 1515 when Pope Leo X suddenly allowed usury. His real name was "Medici" and he was from a super-rich Italian loanshark family from Florence. An excellent book exposing this heresy is "Usury in Christendom" by Michael Hoffman. We have all been deceived.

[@CatholicK5357]

@@widehotep9257 I understand the concept of interest on a loan being usury. But that is not the same as interest on investment. With investment the interest is reward for risk, and a sharing in profits. Investing into businesses and other peoples businesses has to my understanding always been allowed. The reason that interest/shared profit is allowed on business investments is because the person borrowing is using it for the purpose of trying to make a profit. It is not a desperate need of the poor. It would be unfair for someone to borrow money from you, make a profit from that, and then neither give you your money back or any of the profit. It is a separate matter. The money in this case is being used for something productive and not for exploitation. There is a problem also with saying that Pope Leo X's real name was "Medici". What you likely mean is that was his former name. When someone becomes Pope he takes on a new name, just as when someone takes vows in religion to my understanding. And that new name is his new real name. I am not denying that he changed the rules, but I simply don't think those rules have ever applied to business investment loans. I will look into the book, thank you.

[@widehotep9257]

@@CatholicK5357 Business investment and business profits were clearly allowed by the Church. But loaning money or anything else at interest was completely forbidden by the Church prior to 1515. Hoffman documents all of this in "Usury in Christendom," citing countless decrees, papal bulls, church records, etc. People were excommunicated for charging any amount of interest, and their estates were seized upon death with their wills being nullified. To gain reentry into the Church, usurers were required to repay any and all money they'd received as interest to the borrowers or the heirs of the borrowers. These rules applied to personal loans, business loans, etc. There were no exceptions for business investing. I may be wrong, but I believe it was allowed to invest in businesses for a fixed percentage of profits, like receiving dividends from a stock. In these situations, investors only receive profit if the venture is successful, but get nothing if the venture fails. This arrangement is quite different from usury where endless compound interest must be constantly paid regardless of the company's success. "Thou shall not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury." -Deuteronomy 23:19 KJV.

[@bosadche]

So if a lender cannot charge interest what is the incentive for them to lend any money ....the only other incentive would be equity of whatever the investment is or some type of split of revenue

[@seconds-kr5uj]

They also twist exactly what APR is defined as.

[@siddislikesgoogle]

A sermon on profits would be a nice follow up

[@JohnnyNada]

Based

[@dabidosan]

I do not understand this. If I engage in carnal acts with a married person, whom is at fault? If I engage in a contract with usury defined in its terms, whom is at fault? If the sin is the act itself, why aren’t all parties involved punished equally?

[@jackMeought-fr8vl]

People don't take loans for fun, its usually a last resort. Its a sin to take advantage of vulnerable people.

[@Spider_7_7]

Who is preaching this sermon?

[@Primordial_Synapse]

Would the church's teaching on usury as stated in this sermon have any effect on real estate speculation?

[@ephraimwarrior6766]

all this is in the Talmud now how they gods people they not case this not in the bible to do usury 1. Ezekiel 18:13 He lends at interest and takes a profit. Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head. 2. Ezekiel 18:8 He does not lend to them at interest or take a profit from them. He withholds his hand from doing wrong and judges fairly between two parties. 3. Exodus 22:25 “If you loan money to my people, to the poor among you, don’t be like a creditor to them and don’t impose interest on them.” 4. Deuteronomy 23:19 Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess. 5. Leviticus 25:36 Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. 6. Leviticus 25:37 Remember, do not charge interest on money you lend him or make a profit on food you sell him.

[@ethisfreedom]

they take Deuteronomy 23:19 more seriously by lending goys instead of their fellow “jews”

[@paralellosll3849]

Without Usury what incentive is there for the lender to participate? If the borrower wants $300 and the lender sells it to for $350 payable in 12 months is that usury?

[@AYTM1200]

Usury is charging interest on loans.

[@CarsonPfeiffer]

Lending should cause economic growth through investment. Interest loans are abused and creates bubbles in the economy

[@simonbelmont1986]

Oh man.. A lender wanting interest while the victim suffers from inflation is crazy

[@cainmorano4956]

I'm not sure what this means beyond unreasonable fees (beyond a fee and time value of money interest) for use of someone else's money to build, create, or gain something. For example, should I expect the bank to buy me a house or give me a business with no benefit to them? How does this idea work in an economy and not between friends? I'd never charge interest on a loan to a friend but how what should I do if they want 1.2 million dollars to buy a factory and hire employees?

[@xyzmediaandentertainment8313]

Look up islamic banking. It's not entirely a fix but it's a slight improvement I suppose.

[@MrJonblundmusic]

Well why are not churches talking about this then???

[@גוגל.קום]

It brings up the Jewish question, which is hard for cowards to do in ZoG western countries

[@CapitanoGUC-gf6el]

Questions: why should anyone lend money to someone without getting payed for ?

[@ziqb]

The purpose of lending money is to help a fellow human being who is in need of money If the purpose is to make profit, the money should be invested in a business

[@green9832]

Great video.

[@malootua2739]

Christians sold out, now Christianity has no backbone

[@Chikithulu]

Sold out literally

[@bambbambboyguy123]

@@Chikithulunot true at all

[@EM-tx3ly]

It was bound to happen After all Saul created Christianity

[@_jamesdphillips]

where was this preacher when I was growing up? maybe I’d still believe

[@jbga.6178]

Usury is you being charged for the illegitimate creation of new 'money' even though you're not the one operating the printing press.

[@oathboundsecrets]

Landlords are usurors because they make money not from honest labour, but from lending shelter to workers at a rate above the worth of the shelter.

[@chefEmersonWilliams]

SUPER CRAZY. You would make it that people are homeless because those who can "lend" housing will not, if they cannot make a profit. And good luck to you if you are not independently wealthy or did not inherit land from your parents.

[@Keys879]

@@chefEmersonWilliams Let's say I buy a $100,000 house and the mortgage is $500/mo. and I rent that house to you for $1,200. I am making a profit off of you of over $700. More than double what it would cost your family if you owned the same mortgage. You rent for five years and at the end of that period I sell the house for $200,000. Not only did I make a $100k profit from the house but another ~$42,000 off of you. Nearly half of what it would have cost you to buy that same house. This is usury. But let's say I rented that same house to you for $600. Whereby the additional $100 was a fee that would cover cost of potential repairs and other matters. While you are renting, you are not paying an outrageous sum and are still paying on my mortgage for me. I now own, essentially, a "free" property and if I choose my tenants wisely, I might get to keep a portion of that $100 maintenance fee. Which, after 5 years is $6,000 ontop of the $100k i make selling that property. Meanwhile you could be saving that $36,000 for your own home.

[@Keys879]

@Vaas Montenegro Read the post again. You clearly stopped reading half way through.

[@vytautasmikuciauskas222]

Thats existed in middle ages, for example feudal lord owned a land peasants worked it and either they paid the fees or with servitude

[@ZZZELCH]

Well done

[@singularvesselofdevotion]

Awesome and informative Homily. I love all of the priests on SF, but this priest is my favorite. He was definitely gifted with the power of speech and is incredibly intelligent! 3 Hail Marys for you, Father!

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

Interest on loans is Usury, which is sinful. Interest on deposits, on the other hand... I honestly don't know whether or not it us Usury.

[@vishalsingh2233]

Yes it is

[@chipperP]

Who is this priest?

[@pedroual]

There is only one God ☦️

[@spacetrains30]

Sensus Fidelium, can I confirm whether this means I need to close my savings account?

[@bonifamanlover]

Savings accounts are supposed to help you earn money. However these accounts don't even keep up with inflation. The sin is on them, not you. You're ok 😀👍🏿

[@ebrown0071]

I closed my savings account at Bank of America when they stole $500 in legal order fees. These Banksters give less than 1 percent interest on savings accounts anyway and so deliver minimal return on investment. I recommend starting your own bank and building wealth like the Rothchilds.

[@jagmichaelgilbert8523]

What priest is this? Thank you

[@chadkline4268]

Great speech 😊

[@evasionbycartwheel12345]

Rev 13:16-17 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads, 17 that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

[@justinheads5751]

wait, is usury universally prohibited in scripture, or only prohibited against brothers?

[@studyobserve1]

For there to be an enforceable contract there has to be consideration. This modern banking there is No consideration. If correctly challenged the contract( loan) goes away.

[@nitrodamus]

Read this in highschool 20+ yrs ago

[@augustinep6193]

Good. Thanks.

[@miketierney7510]

Do you know that in the Catholic Church it was once considered a mortal sin for a bank or individual to loan a sum of money with interest? What happened?

[@bambbambboyguy123]

It’s still sin why do you think it’s not

[@-Swamp_Donkey-]

Jews. Look mo further

[@mousehead2000]

when you buy that beer in a bar you are paying a stealth tax. hidden interest.

[@Sonofthe1655]

Deuteronomy 15 1 - 2 the Lords release

[@RexCymru]

Small hats are gonna small hat...

[@Reckless-mindfulness]

Quran says that Usary is like declaring a war against GOD, Jews and Christian adopted it as their primary form of economy!

[@tylersingleton9284]

Don't kid yourself. Christians aren't getting a cut of that pie. We just accept it because we get the crumbs.

[@aunch3]

I’m t was illegal in Christendom for millennia. The rulers were secretly borrowing for their wars and debauchery, and that’s how we lost

[@JohnChrysostom101]

Not till 1913 dummy

[@trugrit7210]

Why would I risk loaning money that I may not be paid back unless there is a possible gain?

[@Michael-DS]

😂

[@גוגל.קום]

do you identify as semetic?

[@trugrit7210]

@@גוגל.קום no.

[@paulheffron4836]

What is considered a fair interest rate for mortgages and lenders? Bankers need to make a living for their services don't they?

[@ComicRaptor8850]

Fees can be added on to support staff and oneself for lending the money, but not at a rate of interest.

[@vishalsingh2233]

Usury is a sin, be it simple interest or compound.

[@nicholasvogt2524]

Thank you father!

[@bonifamanlover]

Oh my gosh he's sooooo amazing! The topics are always relevant and interesting. God bless you father. You're so insightful and inspiring.

[@cultureofmen]

“It is not right for the lender to sell and rent the very same thing”. Leasing is also Haram in Islam. Just as is usury and insurance.

[@Medhead101]

So what's the incentive for loaning? Is it just from the kindness of ones heart? That wouldn't be good enough for a large scale economy that we have today. There needs to be an incentive to facilitate loans so that capital can follow it's most productive use.

[@junesilvermanb2979]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loan

[@harrydaniel6699]

The point of the law is that it prevents people from being in bondage to other people and insures that all economic transactions are producing real goods and services and not just a banker sitting on his ass while people work to pay him off plus interest. You’re essentially creating wealth out of thin air, which isn’t in alignment with nature or or other peoples humanity.

[@Keys879]

If I loan you $200 and charge you a $10 fee for the processing of that fee and maybe another $5 to open an account with my bank. I just made $15 in profit. Why do the CEO of Banks need to make $10,000,000 in salary? Do they work any harder than a man who mines coal?

[@RaffieFaffie]

>Is it just from the kindness of ones heart? Yes.

[@charliestubbs6151]

The incentive is economic growth and a healthy social order, assuming the state is the one (rightfully) issuing the loans, and not private institutions. Unfortunately our American government is actively shorting our economy and is beholden to the usurers, who have taken the state’s right to issue loans upon themselves. In other words MONEY LENDING IS NOT A PROFESSION; IT IS A GRIFT.